[Ride] 1DTO - Betong : 31 Dec 09 to 2 Jan 10

Encik Pat · January 3, 2010

I'm so sorry if I've offended anyone. I know the rider life is on their own hands. First of all, you got me all wrong. I'm not here to blame Encik Pat for Kantori's death. I accept his death at the very first place.

My main objective coming here is to find out who is the organizer and what actually happen over there (Kantori's accident site). Like i said, i accept Kantori's death. But what i can't accept is that;

1) Why wasn't any of the crew members stopped and check out Kantori after he collided with the Car.
2) Why there is NO eye witness account and the only eye witness they've got is the Car driver itself which Kantori's collided with.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I could may hear a different side of the story.

you hear one side of the story ...... but you did not hear my side

but wat i know is not story ..... is to the best of wat i know ...

i do understand your feeling ..... but i too have feeling ....

you can call me up anytime .... i have noting to hide ...

pipipapipu · January 3, 2010

actually as what GS450X we don't have to do anything ....

but for fellow bikers bro and his real friend, we could try to pieces together before and after so as to learn from his example ....to honor his last contribution.

things should not be posted here as it could jeopdise the ongoing investigation and maybe what ever compensation his family could be getting

and there are a few person who had gone for this trip is still undergoing shock over the events one of them is encik

that's why mature friends of kantori would understand this whom i believe Dr wong and dan as few of them would had undestooded the seriousness and the sadness that they(inclusive of those who went for the trip) are facing

a closesure is preferable but not a must

again for those ah chee ah cha ..... fcuk off:dot:

Dear Mr Mordecai,

Can you please kindly explain what those highlighted words mean?

Ah chee ah cha like me do not understand =(

S_W_A_T · January 3, 2010

you hear one side of the story ...... but you did not hear my side

but wat i know is not story ..... is to the best of wat i know ...

i do understand your feeling ..... but i too have feeling ....

you can call me up anytime .... i have noting to hide ...

Thank you, Encik Pat. You're a responsive calm person.

Encik Pat · January 3, 2010

Thank you, Encik Pat. You're a responsive calm person.

i do my best ..... hope ppl can understand .....

i am human too ....

Encik Pat · January 3, 2010

why i say not to post it up in the forum .....

words can not let ppl know wat it mean ....

ppl get carry away by words which is wasnt mean to be

so is best not to discuess it with words .....

ChaoPuzzy1968 · January 3, 2010

Dear Mr Mordecai,

things should not be posted here as it could jeopdise the ongoing investigation and maybe what ever compensation his family could be getting

Can you please kindly explain what those highlighted words mean?

Ah chee ah cha like me do not understand =(

we r the SLUT "slow lao uncle team"

those highlited things are exactly what they mean.

I'm so sorry if I've offended anyone. I know the rider life is on their own hands. First of all, you got me all wrong. I'm not here to blame Encik Pat for Kantori's death. I accept his death at the very first place.

My main objective coming here is to find out who is the organizer and what actually happen over there (Kantori's accident site). Like i said, i accept Kantori's death. But what i can't accept is that;

1) Why wasn't any of the crew members stopped and check out Kantori after he collided with the Car.
2) Why there is NO eye witness account and the only eye witness they've got is the Car driver itself which Kantori's collided with.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I could may hear a different side of the story.

now you sound more human .... thanks !

call encik talk to him:dot:

that was the question i also asked him ....

Encik Pat · January 3, 2010

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now you sound more human .... thanks !

call encik talk to him:dot:

that was the question i also asked him ....

human always got carry away by emotion ......

so is ok ...... understandable

ChaoPuzzy1968 · January 3, 2010

human always got carry away by emotion ......
so is ok ...... understandable

First in all fairness ,the stage got to be stage correctly, so that things that happen could be correlated and learn for the experience so that other migh learn and if remotely possible learn from it

what can be known had to be rational and clear, what that's is not known and be listed as unknown ,limited as we are human.

and next

I waiting for ppl who is wait to jierk off and looking for a witch hunt around here to make pleasure out of other misery ...and sure enough a clown come in , these must be piak:dot: I don't spare courtesy to those unrespectful:dot:

I just don't like it because it make his death, a young likeable man, a waste

FinG · January 3, 2010

encik so if time and place for the meet up is set,would you post or shall i call to ask?

bryan_LaZY · January 3, 2010

Everyone,

Pls cool down. All is worked up because we have loss 1 precious biker fren.

Do let Encik Pat And Kantori Family settle everything, cleared up and sum up the whole picture.

We are not the 9 people from the tour group, so do let them get the facts right, and explain to the family.

I think the family is more concerned in knowing the details.

Once all is done, they will surely let us know the full details.

Including ME, tons of people are 'wanting' to know WHAT actually happen.

So let them have the final say.

Facts are distorted by 'people say', 'i heard from'...etc

And this is an open forum, even external party can view our conversation. So please maintain the cool.

PS: Sorry if i posted something not right and offended anyone.

PS PS: Rest In Peace Kantori.

Encik Pat · January 4, 2010

Everyone,

Pls cool down. All is worked up because we have loss 1 precious biker fren.

Do let Encik Pat And Kantori Family settle everything, cleared up and sum up the whole picture.
We are not the 9 people from the tour group, so do let them get the facts right, and explain to the family.
I think the family is more concerned in knowing the details.
Once all is done, they will surely let us know the full details.

Including ME, tons of people are 'wanting' to know WHAT actually happen.
So let them have the final say.
Facts are distorted by 'people say', 'i heard from'...etc

And this is an open forum, even external party can view our conversation. So please maintain the cool.

PS: Sorry if i posted something not right and offended anyone.

PS PS: Rest In Peace Kantori.

the full detail have been make know to the family

they may have not hear it correctly as they was very

emotion and sad when they was at the hospital

the person who spoke to me most is the uncle and aunt

there are some other thing is tat I HEAR FROM

as i was in the front leading ... so i cant tell them

wat i hear from or wat i think happen ...

will they be able to understand how a ridding trip

being arrange ... they are not bikers nor do they go tour in bikes

no matter wat i say they can never understand and

will only make the matter worst ....

so if they have to blame someone .. so be it ... i shall be the one

as i organize a trip ... not for money or for flame

wat have i gain .... noting but the responsibility of 16human lives

i make a lots of fren by bring them and giving them the chance

to go tour in malaysia and thailand ... when noting happen

they say thank Q to me ... but when thing happen , they blame

me for being not properally organize ..

i can only do thing right and can not make any mistake

or i will have to face all the consequent , and if something happen

as bad a this trip ... i gain the hated from the family member

whether did i do it wrong or right ....

thank you for the understanding

thank You each and everyone who have trusted me

and supported me for the pass 2 years of me organizing trip

i shall not organize anymore trip from today onwards

as i am sad i lost a frens and i have lost the ability to be happy

organizing trip

Sâundless · January 4, 2010

Encik have been organizing trip from as long as since 2008. Throughout the 2 year of riding and organizing trip, there is always some incident that happens. Be it injury or worseâ€¦. Death. He has never pushed his responsibility to other or blame anyone else, but him himself.

Even though he may not the first person or witness to the incident/accident. He has never failed to take full responsibility and take care of the scene and those who injure. This is something that we respect.

I do really hope that those who have never join or do not understand his difficulty. Do give him a chance to explain to everyone and don`t judge him before the truth is out. I guarantee his explaination will be clear to everyone.

Encik Pat · January 4, 2010

As planned:

31st Dec 2009

4am â€“ Meet Up Time

4.25am â€“ Briefing on the trip and next Stop for Rest and Petrol. Beloved Kantori was not present. Called and Msg him to meet up at Pagoh R&R (our next stop for petrol â€“ 150 km) there were all together 7 bikes from the group and 2 â€œtag alongâ€ bikes.

4.30am â€“ The group started off for the trip

Time not known â€“ Arrived at Pagoh R&R (Top-up and waited for Kantori) He arrived at about 10 minutes later. Top up and rested for another 10 minutes. Now there were 8 bikes and 2 â€œtag alongâ€ Bikes amking a total of 10 bikes.

Time not known â€“ Briefing on the next stop (Dengkil R&R for Breakfast) The group left and Kantori was in the first group of 4 + 1 â€œtag alongâ€ bike. I was leading and arrived Dengkil with 2 other bikes. Kantori had slowed down and was caught up by the other â€œtag alongâ€ biker with the 1st â€œtag alongâ€ bike from the first group. We settled down for breakfast and waited for the rest. After a while, the 2nd â€œtag alongâ€ bike arrived at Dengkil R&R and informed me that Kantori had an accident. This is his part of the incident.

â€œI turned into Exit 214 and caught up with my friend and Kantori. I overtook them and was in front slowing down to a speed of about 110kmh. Kantori was behind me. After traveling for a few km on the inside lane, Kantori very slowly overtook me on the outer lane (I reckon he was going at a speed of about 120km the most. After he traveled about 150 to 200 metres in front, I saw sparks coming from a fallen bike and a car swaying on the highway. It was dim and not bright, hence not able to see anything in front and what happened. I brake hard and asked my pillion to slow down my friend who was behind me. All I could see on the road was some debris and two dark object on the road (Later found out one was his bag and the other Kantori). I pulled over very quickly with my friend behind me and rushed over to Kantori. I told my pillion and my friend to quickly control the on coming vehicle. It was dim and we took the risk on our lives just to ensure the on-coming vehicles will not crash into us. Kantori was in the middle of the highway when I reached him. He was motionless. I took his pulse and there was none. I checked his heartbeat and there was none. I immediately took off his helmet and unzipped his jacket and did pumping on his heart. After a few minutes, I managed to feel his pulse and saw his stomach moving. I immediately asked a passer-by (an Isuzu Tropper) to take him to a hospital. He was then moved by the vehicle to a hospital. I was told by the driver that he will be taken to Putrajaya Hospital. I then rushed over to the R&R and informed Encik and told him to gather all the rest of the bikes and wait for my call. My friend and me then proceed to the Putrajaya Hospital and waited for the vehicle to arrive. The vehicle did not arrive and received a call from Encik that another Hospital, Sime Darby Medical Centre at USJ called him to inform him that Kantori was brought there. How the Hospital Knew, was because before we left GP Esso, Encik was the last one to call and message him. I then proceed to the Hospital and met up with Encik and was told that the Neuro surgeon was on his way. After the Neuro Surgeon had inspected Kantori, we, Encik, my friend and me were briefed on the situation and was told that there was no hope of his survival. I was then told by Encik to proceed to meet up with the other Bikes and lead them which I did. I left the Hospital and about 10am I think. Encik stayed on at the Hospital till 11pm+ waiting for the arrival of Kantoriâ€™s family. Encik, from the bottom of my heart, you have did a great job in taking the great responsibility of waiting so long and making all the other arrangements for the others to proceed. I am proud of you and will always in the future ride with you. The others in the group will think so too. Well done. What has happened, has happened and will not bring back our beloved young biker, Kantori. Lets move forward and better prepare ourselves for future rides. RIP, Kantori and I will always remember your smiling face last seen at Pagoh R&R. My tears goes with you.â€

Fellow Bikers and all, the above is the feedback that I know. I only know so much. I will not able to tell you all more. For more info, we need to wait for the report from the investigation officer.

Moderator â€“ please close this thread. Thank you.

dreamwalk · January 4, 2010

If this is the decision that you have made, we will respect it.

Without your relentless effort and contribution, we will not have made it this far.

That being said, I still look forward to being your riding buddy.

There are more roads for us to travel, more things to see, more obstacles to clear.

Till the next road trip, my friend..

the full detail have been make know to the family
they may have not hear it correctly as they was very
emotion and sad when they was at the hospital
the person who spoke to me most is the uncle and aunt

there are some other thing is tat I HEAR FROM
as i was in the front leading ... so i cant tell them
wat i hear from or wat i think happen ...

will they be able to understand how a ridding trip
being arrange ... they are not bikers nor do they go tour in bikes
no matter wat i say they can never understand and
will only make the matter worst ....

so if they have to blame someone .. so be it ... i shall be the one
as i organize a trip ... not for money or for flame
wat have i gain .... noting but the responsibility of 16human lives

i make a lots of fren by bring them and giving them the chance
to go tour in malaysia and thailand ... when noting happen
they say thank Q to me ... but when thing happen , they blame
me for being not properally organize ..

i can only do thing right and can not make any mistake
or i will have to face all the consequent , and if something happen
as bad a this trip ... i gain the hated from the family member
whether did i do it wrong or right ....

thank you for the understanding

thank You each and everyone who have trusted me
and supported me for the pass 2 years of me organizing trip
i shall not organize anymore trip from today onwards
as i am sad i lost a frens and i have lost the ability to be happy
organizing trip

ChaoPuzzy1968 · January 4, 2010

thank You each and everyone who have trusted me
and supported me for the pass 2 years of me organizing trip
i shall not organize anymore trip from today onwards
as i am sad i lost a frens and i have lost the ability to be happy
organizing trip

ride on bro ride on

G450X · January 4, 2010

Sounds good to me.....Let's move on.....

meerobos123 · January 4, 2010

the full detail have been make know to the family
they may have not hear it correctly as they was very
emotion and sad when they was at the hospital
the person who spoke to me most is the uncle and aunt

there are some other thing is tat I HEAR FROM
as i was in the front leading ... so i cant tell them
wat i hear from or wat i think happen ...

will they be able to understand how a ridding trip
being arrange ... they are not bikers nor do they go tour in bikes
no matter wat i say they can never understand and
will only make the matter worst ....

so if they have to blame someone .. so be it ... i shall be the one
as i organize a trip ... not for money or for flame
wat have i gain .... noting but the responsibility of 16human lives

i make a lots of fren by bring them and giving them the chance
to go tour in malaysia and thailand ... when noting happen
they say thank Q to me ... but when thing happen , they blame
me for being not properally organize ..

i can only do thing right and can not make any mistake
or i will have to face all the consequent , and if something happen
as bad a this trip ... i gain the hated from the family member
whether did i do it wrong or right ....

thank you for the understanding

thank You each and everyone who have trusted me
and supported me for the pass 2 years of me organizing trip
i shall not organize anymore trip from today onwards
as i am sad i lost a frens and i have lost the ability to be happy
organizing trip

Pat,

It is nobody fault and what you did really shows your character and responsibility. I hope that you still continue to organize trip and lead the team.

Encik Pat · January 4, 2010

If this is the decision that you have made, we will respect it.

Without your relentless effort and contribution, we will not have made it this far.

That being said, I still look forward to being your riding buddy.

There are more roads for us to travel, more things to see, more obstacles to clear.

Till the next road trip, my friend..

ridding a bike and going tour on a bike is a calculated risk i am willing to take

and i am my own responsibility to myself and my wife which have been following me too

i will not stop form going for more trip to more place but i shall not organize

as i do not wish to be responsible for others that came for the tour

you and many others who have been ridding with me are always

welcome to be my ridding mate and buddy

Seastorm · January 4, 2010

Encik have been organizing trip from as long as since 2008. Throughout the 2 year of riding and organizing trip, there is always some incident that happens. Be it injury or worseâ€¦. Death. He has never pushed his responsibility to other or blame anyone else, but him himself.

Even though he may not the first person or witness to the incident/accident. He has never failed to take full responsibility and take care of the scene and those who injure. This is something that we respect.

I do really hope that those who have never join or do not understand his difficulty. Do give him a chance to explain to everyone and don`t judge him before the truth is out. I guarantee his explaination will be clear to everyone.

Hear hear! I agree.

the full detail have been make know to the family
they may have not hear it correctly as they was very
emotion and sad when they was at the hospital
the person who spoke to me most is the uncle and aunt

there are some other thing is tat I HEAR FROM
as i was in the front leading ... so i cant tell them
wat i hear from or wat i think happen ...

will they be able to understand how a ridding trip
being arrange ... they are not bikers nor do they go tour in bikes
no matter wat i say they can never understand and
will only make the matter worst ....

so if they have to blame someone .. so be it ... i shall be the one
as i organize a trip ... not for money or for flame
wat have i gain .... noting but the responsibility of 16human lives

i make a lots of fren by bring them and giving them the chance
to go tour in malaysia and thailand ... when noting happen
they say thank Q to me ... but when thing happen , they blame
me for being not properally organize ..

i can only do thing right and can not make any mistake
or i will have to face all the consequent , and if something happen
as bad a this trip ... i gain the hated from the family member
whether did i do it wrong or right ....

thank you for the understanding

thank You each and everyone who have trusted me
and supported me for the pass 2 years of me organizing trip
i shall not organize anymore trip from today onwards
as i am sad i lost a frens and i have lost the ability to be happy
organizing trip

Pat, we will respect your decision.

Will ride with you again when I am back riding.

Sâundless · January 4, 2010

ridding a bike and going tour on a bike is a calculated risk i am willing to take
and i am my own responsibility to myself and my wife which have been following me too
i will not stop form going for more trip to more place but i shall not organize
as i do not wish to be responsible for others that came for the tour
you and many others who have been ridding with me are always
welcome to be my ridding mate and buddy

We will respect your decision. But do welcome us to tour with you if going anywhere.

Constructicon · January 4, 2010

ridding a bike and going tour on a bike is a calculated risk i am willing to take
and i am my own responsibility to myself and my wife which have been following me too
i will not stop form going for more trip to more place but i shall not organize
as i do not wish to be responsible for others that came for the tour
you and many others who have been ridding with me are always
welcome to be my ridding mate and buddy

Encik, whatever your decision is, the 1DTO riders will always be with you.

The damn slow dark blue FZ1 will always be there also.

Tdks · January 4, 2010

Thank you encik for organizing this trip... thank you dreamwalk for being the front bike and thank mc for being the last bike blocking the traffic and guide me along the way...thank you khaitronic for being a good roommate ... thank you all for making this trip fun and happy...

Tdks · January 4, 2010

Encik, whatever your decision is, the 1DTO riders will always be with you.
The damn slow dark blue FZ1 will always be there also.

The damn slow dark red cbr will also always be there also...

ChaoPuzzy1968 · January 4, 2010

Thank you encik for organizing this trip... thank you dreamwalk for being the front bike and thank mc for being the last bike blocking the traffic and guide me along the way...thank you khaitronic for being a good roommate ... thank you all for making this trip fun and happy...

:angel: remember the rule to be truthful to your parent always :angel:

Sâundless · January 4, 2010

:angel: remember the rule to be truthful to your parent always :angel:

Sound like suan siao.....

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