Bikers Theological Discussion

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 19, 2010

I believe the only way we can follow Christ is to follow Paul:
"For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Therefore I urge you, imitate me." (1 Corinthians 4:15-16)

When Jesus taught during his EARTHLY ministry he was teaching under the law program and was not teaching doctrine for the NEW MAN (Ephesians 2:15) who at that time were aliens without hope and strangers from the covenants of promise (Ephesians 2:12). No, Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel:
But He answered and said, â€œI was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.â€" (Matthew 15:24)

Some teaches that there is only ONE Gospel, while the Bible disagrees:
"But contrariwise, when they saw that THE GOSPEL OF THE UNCIRCUMCISION was committed unto me, as THE GOSPEL OF THE CIRCUMCISION was unto Peter;" (Galatians 2:7)

"...a DISPENSATION of THE GOSPEL is committed unto me." (1 Corinthians 9:17)

Paul received a different Gospel than the twelve, and it is by this Gospel that we will be judged by:
"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to MY GOSPEL." (Romans 2:16)

For those of us now who trust that Jesus died for ALL our sins (past present and future) and rose from the grave, we are in Christ and the "old things" (all 613 points of law, and Christ's earthly ministry) have passed away, and all things have become new, hence the dispensation of grace: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17)

We currently live in the DISPENSATION of GRACE, and before Jesus revealed it to Paul there was no such thing:
"if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you" (Ephesians 3:2)

Paul was the first to receive this DISPENSATION of grace:
"However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.."
(1 Timothy 1:16)

Our marching orders are found only in the letters of Paul (Romans thru Philemon), and not in the Old or New Testaments.

Shalom

:angel:

so let's "dispense" with the fomality

is Jack Neo still a christian:dot:

EddyMeng · March 19, 2010

:angel:

so let's "dispense" with the fomality

is Jack Neo still a christian:dot:

Rom 10:13

Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

In my opinion, he still is a christian lar ... because of the perfect finished work on the cross

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 19, 2010

Dispensationalism Dispense the Bible

bro there some fundamental issue the morden dispensationist are saying

1. I paraphase for you ....the bible is only as good as how a dispensationist interprete .

2. only thru the interpretation technique of the dispensationist then the bible can be understood

3. the only good christian is as good as the kung fu in dispensationism?

tio boh ?

. Dispensationalism shows me that these laws are not meant for me to obey. This allows the Bible student to see the spiritual and practical applications of these laws without being compelled to practice them.

something wrong here

5 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is

the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

IS dispensation going against the commandmants ?

I think so ......then IMHO , dispensation is wrong lor

K I S S ( keep It Simple 5tupid)

Edited March 19, 2010 by ChaoPuzzy1968

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 19, 2010

Rom 10:13
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved

In my opinion, he still is a christian lar ... because of the perfect finished work on the cross

11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business,

and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

NinjaLite · March 19, 2010

hmmm, but i hv not heard SP talk abt Dispensation ... isit a recent sermon?

wat Mord says does echo my initial doubt... d bible is oni as good as how one can dispensingly interpret it....so then how does HS play a role ?

Another question.after Philemon...d other books can stil apply?

Talking of which is d book of James....

James 1:26 If any among u thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. Pure and undefiled religionbefore GOD and the Father is this: to visit the orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

What is religion in this verses refer to? Doctrines?

Notice: we shd Visit the Orphans !!!

NinjaLite · March 19, 2010

So to mi... d key to understand the bible is.... Not to second guess it.... Jus read it as it is... but understand GOD's love and HIS character.... hmmm understand wat matters most to HIM...

Den jus being obedient... do d good works... eg as mentioned.. visit the orphans... loving and caring for our neighbors ( which in our case is d biker riding next to us) ...

and as we go thru life this way.... d experience we gain each day wil b used by HS to illuminate and further lead us to more understanding of d bible...

so its a slow and life long process..

not quite d quick shortcut method as trying to figure things out via learning techniques such as dispensation... or meditation .. or in everything quieting ones mind in d hope dat can hear HS speak in audible voice etc....

So i my approach not biblical?? or errr old fashioned??

NinjaLite · March 19, 2010

hmmm tis may b a dumb dumb approach towards understanding d bible... but i was thinking.. GOD put tis bible esp New Testament 2000years ... and its of cos meant for all people.... 2000yrs ago till prior to tis computer age.. ppl dun hv such vast resources such as we do... libraries of reference books, internet, thousands of churches . bible colleges..... podcasts, youtubes etc...

its jus plain simple printed hardbcopy of bible and even in some cases..jus verbal gospels...

thus ... d key approach is ... ahhh yes i know now.. is KISS... keep it simple lor.. dun hv to spenttoo much time readin up such confusing arrays of doctrines, methodlogies n such..

but jus DO It... obey n go do wats needed... spread d gospel... do good... love one another... learn more self control... encourage each other....pray..worship... repeat d cycle ....

Dummys Guide to Understanding the Bible..

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 19, 2010

So i my approach not biblical?? or errr old fashioned??

11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business,

and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

SHHHHHH!!!!

NinjaLite · March 19, 2010

huh? wer is ti verse?? how can never come across tis before?

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 19, 2010

huh? wer is ti verse?? how can never come across tis before?

as discurse last nite .....use the search funtion:angel: 1 thes 4:11

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edwardlong · March 19, 2010

hmmm tis may b a dumb dumb approach towards understanding d bible... but i was thinking.. GOD put tis bible esp New Testament 2000years ... and its of cos meant for all people.... 2000yrs ago till prior to tis computer age.. ppl dun hv such vast resources such as we do... libraries of reference books, internet, thousands of churches . bible colleges..... podcasts, youtubes etc...

its jus plain simple printed hardbcopy of bible and even in some cases..jus verbal gospels...

thus ... d key approach is ... ahhh yes i know now.. is KISS... keep it simple lor.. dun hv to spenttoo much time readin up such confusing arrays of doctrines, methodlogies n such..

but jus DO It... obey n go do wats needed... spread d gospel... do good... love one another... learn more self control... encourage each other....pray..worship... repeat d cycle ....

Dummys Guide to Understanding the Bible..

I prefer this way....

Believing, trusting and relying in the love of our Father, in that He send his Son Jesus to be our sacrifice, to see the loveliness of Jesus and his glory in all things.

To be a simple sheep to our Shepherd

To be a younger brother to our big brother Jesus,

To be a son to our Daddy God.

..... all other actions like worship, visiting the orphans, evangelism, love one another etc are fruit of the Spirit.

EddyMeng · March 19, 2010

11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business,
and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

Acts 18:9 And the Lord said to Paul in the night by a vision, "Do not be afraid {any longer,} but go on speaking and do not be silent

EddyMeng · March 20, 2010

Dispensationalism Dispense the Bible

bro there some fundamental issue the morden dispensationist are saying

1. I paraphase for you ....the bible is only as good as how a dispensationist interprete .

2. only thru the interpretation technique of the dispensationist then the bible can be understood

3. the only good christian is as good as the kung fu in dispensationism?

tio boh ?

Of course, some will misuse Dispensationalism. Think they are classified as â€œUlta- Dispensationalismâ€ which swings to the other extreme.

Do not dispense (do away with) dispensation because you have seen someone misuse this term.

"...a DISPENSATION of THE GOSPEL is committed unto me." (1 Corinthians 9:17)

5 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is
the first commandment.

31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

IS dispensation going against the commandmants ?

Understanding Dispensation will let us see to WHOM these scripture were written for. The above verse are taken from Mark 12 and while Jesus was on earth â€¦ he is speak to the Israel lah â€¦ not to you.

â€œI was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.â€" (Matthew 15:24)

The BIGGEST problem is not understanding Dispensation:

While some like to follow Jesusâ€™s teaching in the 4 gospels as if they are for todayâ€™s dispensation â€¦ let us look at Mark:

Mark 9:43 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,

Mark 9:45 "If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell,

I have yet to encounter a Christian that amputated his hand or foot because he is following the â€œcommandmentsâ€ of Mark 9:43,45

Will you be the ONE ?

After that hor ... i volunteer to take care of your V-Storm for you

Edited March 20, 2010 by EddyMeng

EddyMeng · March 20, 2010

Another question.after Philemon...d other books can stil apply?

Talking of which is d book of James....

The Epistle of James is addressed, not to the Church, but to the "TWELVE TRIBES scattered abroad." James 1:1.

Pls note that James, Peter and John are apostles to the Jews. (Galatians 2:9)

We can learn from the book of James BUT pls note that the audience for the book of James is NOT us (Gentile Christian)

We can learn and benefit from OT, epistles written to the Jews. However, we need to read in context

I do certainly enjoy and benefit from the Book of James .... with the correct understand of "to whom it was written for"

2 Tim 2:15 Study {and} be eager {and} do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing {and} accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.

Shalom,

Eddy

EddyMeng · March 20, 2010

Being His Children, I do not merely read the Bible like a story book.

To understand His Word, we must know what God is saying in reference to the subject, subject matter and the times that the scripture is referring to. These are called dispensations in the Bible.

Next we must adhere to whom the scripture is written. This is the subject matter of the Bible. We have said that Jesus Christ is the subject of the Bible but the subject matter of the Bible is the people to whom the scripture is written. For example, there are the Jew, the Gentile and the Church of God.

We are in the Church Age and we need to read those portions of bible written to us and obey them.

Example on forgiveness:

Jesus, talking to people in His earthly ministry, said in Matthew 6:14-15, "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Notice that you will only be forgiven if you first forgive others.

But Paul tells us the opposite in Ephesians 4:32, "And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you." If you are a believer, God has already forgiven you. Not of just some sins, but of all the sins we will ever commit (Colossians 2:13). Certainly, God wants Christians to forgive others, and we will receive rewards in heaven according to our works (1 Corinthians 3:10-15). But our salvation does not depend on the works at all (Romans 4:5).

Being a forgiven person living in this church age, i have the power to forgive others because i am already totally forgiven by Him. it makes me so much easier to forgive; knowing this fact.

Shalom,

Eddy

EddyMeng · March 20, 2010

the New Covenant begins after death of Jesus at the cross of Calvary.

Heb 9:16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it.

Heb 9:17 For a covenant is valid {only} when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.

Maybe some of us will be surprised to hear that four Gospels â€“ Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are NOT the New Covenant.

More correctly the New Testament has three parts:

â€¢ the four gospels that refer to the Messiah fulfilling the prophecies of the Old Testament,

â€¢ the writings of the Apostles to the various assemblies,

â€¢ and the Book of Revelation by the Apostle John.

The mission of Jesus when He walked on earth 2000 years ago, was to fulfill the Law:

Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Luke 24:44 Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

This simply means that Jesus had to FULFILL the Old Covenant before the New Covenant could be in force.

Being His Children, it is important to know that whole Bible is written for us, for our learning, but not all of it is addressed to us ..... so that we can correctly understand His Word.

[AMP Bible]2 Tim 2:15 Study {and} be eager {and} do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing {and} accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.

Shalom,

Eddy

"Christianity is a lifestyle; do not let tradition and denomination make it to be a religion"

NinjaLite · March 20, 2010

hmmm, like dat explained .. it makes much more sense....

but stil to b correctly using tis dispensationalism doctrine... one must b areadi quite educated.... ther r billions of Christians who r various level of literacy.... but ultimately wat matters is how much they understood of GOD' love (even if thru basic reading oni) and being obedient and able to live a godly life dat has fruits of d Spirit..

Mord... tot u wer jokin in dat line mah.. later google search turn up more jokes...

EddyMeng · March 20, 2010

Matt 7:1 DO NOT judge {and} criticize {and} condemn others, so that you may not be judged {and} criticized {and} condemned yourselves.

Does Matthew 7:1 Mean No Judging at All?

The term judge is used in more than one sense, but Christ's meaning is plain. (1) He does not prohibit the civil judgment of the courts upon evil doers, for this is approved throughout the whole Bible. (2) He does not prohibit the judgment of the church, through its officers, upon those who walk disorderly, for both he and the apostles have enjoined this. (3) He does not forbid those private judgments that we are compelled to form the wrong-doers, for he himself tell us that we are to judge men by their fruits. (See Mt 7:15-20.) What he designs to prohibit is rash, uncharitable judgments, a fault-finding spirit, a disposition to condemn without examination of charges.

1 Cor 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent {to} {constitute} the smallest law courts?

1 Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

Shalom,

Eddy

EddyMeng · March 20, 2010

hmmm, like dat explained .. it makes much more sense....

but stil to b correctly using tis dispensationalism doctrine... one must b areadi quite educated.... ther r billions of Christians who r various level of literacy.... but ultimately wat matters is how much they understood of GOD' love (even if thru basic reading oni) and being obedient and able to live a godly life dat has fruits of d Spirit..

That is why got so many denominationals mah

no need to be a scholar lah, the preacher that teaches ought to know and teach his sheeps.

Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Edited March 20, 2010 by EddyMeng

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 20, 2010

Acts 18:9 And the Lord said to Paul in the night by a vision, "Do not be afraid {any longer,} but go on speaking and do not be silent

Of course, some will misuse Dispensationalism. Think they are classified as â€œUlta- Dispensationalismâ€ which swings to the other extreme.

Do not dispense (do away with) dispensation because you have seen someone misuse this term.

"...a DISPENSATION of THE GOSPEL is committed unto me." (1 Corinthians 9:17)

Understanding Dispensation will let us see to WHOM these scripture were written for. The above verse are taken from Mark 12 and while Jesus was on earth â€¦ he is speak to the Israel lah â€¦ not to you.
â€œI was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.â€" (Matthew 15:24)

The BIGGEST problem is not understanding Dispensation:

While some like to follow Jesusâ€™s teaching in the 4 gospels as if they are for todayâ€™s dispensation â€¦ let us look at Mark:

Mark 9:43 "If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,

Mark 9:45 "If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame, than, having your two feet, to be cast into hell,

I have yet to encounter a Christian that amputated his hand or foot because he is following the â€œcommandmentsâ€ of Mark 9:43,45

Will you be the ONE ?
After that hor ... i volunteer to take care of your V-Storm for you

That is why got so many denominationals mah
no need to be a scholar lah, the preacher that teaches ought to know and teach his sheeps.

Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Matt 7:1 DO NOT judge {and} criticize {and} condemn others, so that you may not be judged {and} criticized {and} condemned yourselves.

Does Matthew 7:1 Mean No Judging at All?

The term judge is used in more than one sense, but Christ's meaning is plain. (1) He does not prohibit the civil judgment of the courts upon evil doers, for this is approved throughout the whole Bible. (2) He does not prohibit the judgment of the church, through its officers, upon those who walk disorderly, for both he and the apostles have enjoined this. (3) He does not forbid those private judgments that we are compelled to form the wrong-doers, for he himself tell us that we are to judge men by their fruits. (See Mt 7:15-20.) What he designs to prohibit is rash, uncharitable judgments, a fault-finding spirit, a disposition to condemn without examination of charges.

1 Cor 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent {to} {constitute} the smallest law courts?
1 Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

Shalom,
Eddy

hmmm, like dat explained .. it makes much more sense....

but stil to b correctly using tis dispensationalism doctrine... one must b areadi quite educated.... ther r billions of Christians who r various level of literacy.... but ultimately wat matters is how much they understood of GOD' love (even if thru basic reading oni) and being obedient and able to live a godly life dat has fruits of d Spirit..

Mord... tot u wer jokin in dat line mah.. later google search turn up more jokes...

no need no need to know dispensation

G-D, Jesus, HS , virgin Mary and bible good enough

I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

x_00_x · March 20, 2010

I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, 10 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any workâ€”you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you. Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.

Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

You shall not murder.

Neither shall you commit adultery.

Neither shall you steal.

Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor.

Neither shall you covet your neighborâ€™s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighborâ€™s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Make a choice. Its either the above or follow Jesus and yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 20, 2010

Make a choice. Its either the above or follow Jesus and yield to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

The love by Jesus imbue within by the Holy Spirit Compells me to follow Him and allows us to renew into a new man from the bondage of the flesh with cause fear and loathing of the law but now able with love and adoration to please our father inheaven and observe the Commandant which was dictatate by Him by Faith that God love us thru Jesus the Risen.

It was the Spirit of renewal that sustain this regeneration to strive toward perfection and by His sacrifce that make it possible..

It was and is His love for us that compels us to follow all the stated commandments .

iT IS THEREFORE NO A MATTER OF POSSIBLE OR IMMPOSSIBLE TO FOLLOW ALL....

the question is whether you want to or not.

if we love G_d ,then we want to follow his commandments, then we don't have to re-interpret the bible...because this is exactly what He meant for us as it is.

But if we do not want to follow ....then a whole world of excuses comes about....

The standard is there ...be convicted by it if we fall short , and be glad that Jesus still love us, but don't give up.

if we manage to meet up with the standard , give G-d the glory.

Do not dispense with the bible and only uses part that one "thinks" that would be appropriate , becareful of the warning in revelation.

NinjaLite · March 20, 2010

hmmm Mord do also hav a point ther.. and the verses he quote does seems to clearly indicate " if we love, we wil wan to do it out of love" ..

bcos d danger of interpreting bible according to modern preachersdiverse methods..is ..

cos inherently men r stil self-centred, selfish, greedy self...so watever we interoret or inclination to believe..is always in self-interest... thus its always walking on a thin line if we wholly believe tis doctrine or dat doctrine ....which r quite like fashion fads...

unless we r anointed to b preacher.... otherwise i m not convinced its beneficial to read too much in between d lines so to speak...eg d said Significance when a word is 1st mentioned in d bible ......

interestingly on Ntl Geopgraphic lastnite..ther was a program dat shows scientist attempt to explain d mysteries of d bible namely d part of Exodus... ther wer 3 theories..dat durin d REd Sea crossing, there was a huge gall dat parted d water,..or there was a pre-tsunami ..and also a hehe LAVA ....

hey notice that tis thread was accorded a 1 STAR...Bikers Fellowship has 3 STARS..wat does it mean?

EddyMeng · March 20, 2010

Do not dispense with the bible and only uses part that one "thinks" that would be appropriate , becareful of the warning in revelation.

It seems strange that such a simple doctrine as dispensationalism should come under such attack

More than a doctrine, dispensationalism is a method. It is a way of dividing, not God, but His Word, so that one receives a clear understanding of God's dealings with man over the period of time.

Innocence -- From the creation of man until the Fall

Conscience, or Moral Responsibility -- From the Fall until the flood

Human Government -- From the Flood until the call of Abram

Promise -- From the call of Abram until the Exodus

Law -- From Sinai until Christ

Grace -- From Pentecost until the Rapture

Kingdom -- From the Rapture until the eternal state

Dispensationalism is the only system of interpretation that is consistent with a literal interpretation of the Scriptures.

DISPENSATION - Greek word â€œoikonomiaâ€ which is used in the following verses; Luke 16:2, 3, 4; I Cor 9:17; Eph 1:10; 3:2; Col 1:25; and I Tim 1:14.

For those that refute â€œoikonomiaâ€ which is DISPENSATION ... think again

Shalom,

Eddy

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 20, 2010

hmmm Mord do also hav a point ther.. and the verses he quote does seems to clearly indicate " if we love, we wil wan to do it out of love" ..

bcos d danger of interpreting bible according to modern preachersdiverse methods..is ..
cos inherently men r stil self-centred, selfish, greedy self...so watever we interoret or inclination to believe..is always in self-interest... thus its always walking on a thin line if we wholly believe tis doctrine or dat doctrine ....which r quite like fashion fads...

unless we r anointed to b preacher.... otherwise i m not convinced its beneficial to read too much in between d lines so to speak...eg d said Significance when a word is 1st mentioned in d bible ......

interestingly on Ntl Geopgraphic lastnite..ther was a program dat shows scientist attempt to explain d mysteries of d bible namely d part of Exodus... ther wer 3 theories..dat durin d REd Sea crossing, there was a huge gall dat parted d water,..or there was a pre-tsunami ..and also a hehe LAVA ....

hey notice that tis thread was accorded a 1 STAR...Bikers Fellowship has 3 STARS..wat does it mean?

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;

but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers,

having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be

turned unto fables.

you got itchy ears

It seems strange that such a simple doctrine as dispensationalism should come under such attack

More than a doctrine, dispensationalism is a method. It is a way of dividing, not God, but His Word, so that one receives a clear understanding of God's dealings with man over the period of time.

Innocence -- From the creation of man until the Fall
Conscience, or Moral Responsibility -- From the Fall until the flood
Human Government -- From the Flood until the call of Abram
Promise -- From the call of Abram until the Exodus
Law -- From Sinai until Christ
Grace -- From Pentecost until the Rapture
Kingdom -- From the Rapture until the eternal state

Dispensationalism is the only system of interpretation that is consistent with a literal interpretation of the Scriptures.

DISPENSATION - Greek word â€œoikonomiaâ€ which is used in the following verses; Luke 16:2, 3, 4; I Cor 9:17; Eph 1:10; 3:2; Col 1:25; and I Tim 1:14.

For those that refute â€œoikonomiaâ€ which is DISPENSATION ... think again

Shalom,
Eddy

Look at the verb that was use "Dispensationalism is the only system of interpretation" just because of these 4 verse out of some many verses to form a doctrine of interpretation ,something is wrong therefore it's refutable

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the

Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through

his name.

That's should be the purpose for any interpretation of the bible

KJV 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and

eternal life.

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

dispensation is just a method but not THE method. good to know but not need for salvation

again

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

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