Bikers Theological Discussion

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 12, 2010

THE THIRD PERSECUTION, UNDER TRAJAN, AD 108

n the third persecution Pliny the Second, a man learned and famous, seeing

the lamentable slaughter of Christians, and moved therewith to pity, wrote

to Trajan, certifying him that there were many thousands of them daily

put to death, of which none did any thing contrary to the Roman laws

worthy persecution. â€œThe whole account they gave of their crime or error

(whichever it is to be called) amounted only to this â€” viz.. that they were

accustomed on a stated day to meet before daylight, and to repeat together

a form of prayer to Christ as a God, and to bind themselves by an

obligation â€” not indeed to commit wickedness; but, on the contrary â€”

never to commit theft, robbery, or adultery, never to falsify their word,

never to defraud any man: after which it was their custom to separate, and

reassemble to partake in common of a. harmless meal.â€ In this persecution

suffered the blessed martyr, lgnatius, who is held in famous reverence

among very many. This Ignatius was reappointed to the bishopric of

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Antioch next after Peter in succession. Some do say, that he, being sent

from Syria to Rome, because he professed Christ, was given to the wild

beasts to be devoured. It is also said of him, that when he passed through

Asia, being under the most strict custody of his keepers, he strengthened

and confirmed the churches through all the cities as he went, both with his

exhortations and preaching of the Word of God. Accordingly having come

to Smyrna, he wrote to, the Church at Rome, exhorting them not to use

means for his deliverance from martyrdom, lest they deprive him of that

which he most longed and hoped for. â€œNow I begin to be a disciple. I care

for nothing, of visible or invisible things, so that I may but win Christ. Let

fire and the cross, let the companies of wild beasts, let breaking of bones

and tearing of limbs, let the grinding of the whole body, and all the malice

of the devil, come upon me; be it so, only may I win Christ Jesus!â€ And

even when he was sentenced to be thrown to the beast such was the

burning desire that he had to suffer, that he spake, what time he heard the

lions roaring, saying. â€œI am the wheat of Christ: I am going to be ground

with the teeth of wild beasts, that I may be found pure bread.â€ Trajan

being succeeded by Adrian, the latter continued this third persecution with

as much severity as his predecessor. About this time Alexander, bishop of

Rome, with his two deacons, were martyred; as were Quirinus and Hernes,

with their families; Zenon, a Roman nobleman, and about ten thousand

other Christians.

In Mount Ararat many were crucified, crowned with thorns, and spears

run into their sides, in imitation of Christâ€™s passion. Eustachius, a brave

and successful Roman commander, was by the emperor ordered to join in

an idolatrous sacrifice to celebrate some his own victories; but his faith

(being a Christian in his heart) was so much greater than his vanity, that he

nobly refused it. Enraged at the denial, the ungrateful emperor forgot the

service of this skilled commander, and ordered him and his whole family to

be martyred.

At the martyrdom of Faustines and Jovita, brothers and citizens of Brescia

their torments were so many, and their patience so great that Caloccerius, a

pagan, beholding them, was struck with admiration and exclaimed in a kind

of ecstasy, â€œGreat is the God of the Christians!â€ for which he was

apprehended, and suffered a similar fate. Many other similar cruelties and

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rigors were exercised against Christians, until Quadratus, bishop of

Athens, made a learned apology in their favor before the emperor, who

happened to be there.

Aristides, a philosopher: of the same city, wrote an elegant epistle which

caused Adrian to relax in his severities, and relent in their favor.

Adrian dying AD 138, was succeeded by Antoninus Pius, one of the most

amiable monarchs that ever reigned, and who stayed the persecutions

against the Christians.

ref ref Foxe's Book of Martyr

EddyMeng · June 14, 2010

pasta Mordy on Thai trip ... hence this week - no posting

edwardlong · June 14, 2010

pasta Mordy on Thai trip ... hence this week - no posting

Peace at last.....

EddyMeng · June 16, 2010

Wednesday, June 16, 2010

Grace Vs Law

By Tonie Campbell.

I have had it on my heart for awile to write a note on Grace vs Law because it seems to be the biggest controversy in the body of Christ and few understand the difference. They want to argue that those who trust in Grace are wanting a license to sin and don't believe you should do any works while those trusting in the law and commandments say faith without works is dead. It appears that some on either side do not fully understand what happened on the Cross or what Grace truly is. Let me say upfront that I'm not a theologian I'm just a student and lover of God's Word. Grace is God's power in you to do what you could not do on your own. It is God looking at you when you stand and when you fall and seeing the blood of Jesus covering it all but it is not a substitute for obedience. The reason is as a new friend of mine Lori said "Many in the church have an identity crisis and do not know who they are in Christ. They are still identifying with the old dead sin nature, that we are commanded to reckon (consider) dead!!! So as a man thinks within himself so is he/she. If we think like old sinners, we will behave like old sinners and therefore the world sees no change. We have to stop identifying with the old and put on the new man who is created in true righteousness and holiness."~quote from Lori Thank you for speaking truth!

read on:

http://yasolovesme.blogspot.com/2010/06/grace-vs-law.html

x_00_x · June 16, 2010

Seeking God is an active Bible study series printed in Charisma magazine.

How do I live my faith in a secular culture?

The crises of man are not new. There is nothing "more secular" about the world today than there has ever been, in any age or society. The world's hostility toward God has not changed since the days of Adam.

Living out your faith in a secular world does not depend on the approval or disapproval, acceptance or persecution, or health or disease of the world. The issue at stake centers not on the depth of the world's depravity but on the depth of your personal desire for God.

Daniel, along with the whole host of Scripture (see Hebrews 11, for example) stands to prove that it is entirely possible to live out your faith in any age or condition. No one suffered more pressure to conform than Daniel.

At 16, he witnessed the cruel slaughter of his family and the burning of his village. He was carried away to exile in a foreign land, utterly stripped and forced to serve ruthless kings.

They required him to learn their ways, study their arts and perform their wishes. They even changed his name to reflect their gods. In every way possible, the ruling world tried to claim Danielâ€”and failed.

Why? Because Daniel chose. Daniel chose his God, and he chose obedience to his God, even if it meant death (see Daniel 6 and Rev. 12:11). The whole secret to living out your faith in a secular world lies in one simple, ageless wordâ€”choice.

David chose (see Ps. 27:4). Mary chose (see Luke 10:38-42). Jesus chose (see Matt. 26:39). And so it will always be for His followers.

Look up the following verses:

â€¢ John 15:18-21

â€¢ Deut. 30:15-20

â€¢ Josh. 24:14-15

â€¢ Matt. 6:24

â€¢ James 4:1-5

What can you conclude from these passages? Do any of them apply to you?

If you are struggling to live out your faith in a secular world, it may mean that your choice is not clear. All the performance of your choice is God's, a responsibility He assumed in the person of Jesus Christ.

Thus the problem is not strength, but resolve. God will perform your choice for you, and overcome the world in you, if that is what you really want.

The question is: What do you really want?

Read more: http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/bible-study/20112-january-2009-how-do-i-live-my-faith-in-a-secular-culture#ixzz0qywm1vMi

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 16, 2010

Peace at last.....

Later i let you fly

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=624&pictureid=3648

EddyMeng · June 18, 2010

Later i let you fly
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i tot the rapture not here yet

you let him experience 1st huh

edwardlong · June 18, 2010

i tot the rapture not here yet

you let him experience 1st huh

how do you know that rapture not here yet?

Maybe you got left behind ? And if you are left behind, that means you are in the millenium age.....or worst still...you got to face anti christ.

hehehe

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 18, 2010

how do you know that rapture not here yet?

Maybe you got left behind ? hehehe

you still around how to rupture....

EddyMeng · June 18, 2010

you still around how to rupture....

do you need help to fly him

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 18, 2010

do you need help to fly him

yup definately ....

edwardlong · June 18, 2010

yup definately ....

:eek::eek:

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 18, 2010

yup definately ....

:eek::eek:

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ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 19, 2010

THE FOURTH PERSECUTION,

UNDER MARCUS AURELIUS ANTONINUS, AD 162

Marcus Aurelius, followed about the year of our Lord 161, a man of nature

more stern and severe; and, although in study of philosophy and in civil

government no less commendable, yet, toward the Christians sharp and

fierce; by whom was moved the fourth persecution.

The cruelties used in this persecution were such that many of the

spectators shuddered with horror at the sight, and were astonished at the

intrepidity of the sufferers. Some of the martyrs were obliged to pass,

with their already wounded feet, over thorns, nails, sharp shells, etc. upon

their points, others were scourged until their sinews and veins lay bare,

and after suffering the most excruciating tortures that could be devised,

they were destroyed by the most terrible deaths.

Germanicus, a young man, but a true Christian, being delivered to the wild

beasts on account of his faith, behaved with such astonishing courage that

several pagans became converts to a faith which inspired such fortitude.

Polycarp, the venerable bishop of Smyrna, hearing that persons were

seeking for him, escaped, but was discovered by a child. After feasting the

guards who apprehended him, he desired an hour in prayer, which being

allowed, he prayed with such fervency, that his guards repented that they

had been instrumental in taking him. He was, however, carried before the

proconsul, condemned, and burnt in the market place.

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The proconsul then urged him, saying, â€œSwear, and I will release thee; â€”

reproach Christ.â€ Polycarp answered, â€œEighty and six years have I served

him, and he never once wronged me; how then shall I blaspheme my King,

Who hath saved me?â€ At the stake, to which he was only tied, but not

nailed as usual, as he assured them he should stand immovable, the flames,

on their kindling the fagots, encircled his body, like an arch, without

touching him, and the executioner, on seeing this, was ordered to pierce

him with a sword when so great a quantity of blood flowed out as

extinguished. the fire. But his body, at the instigation of the enemies of the

Gospel, especially Jews, was ordered to be consumed in the pile, and the

request of his friends, who wished to give it Christian burial, rejected.

They nevertheless collected his bones and as much of his remains as

possible, and caused them to be decently interred.

Metrodorus, a minister, who preached boldly, and Pionius, who made

some excellent apologies for the Christian faith, were likewise burnt.

Carpus and Papilus, two worthy Christians, and Agathonica, a pious

woman, suffered martyrdom at Pergamopolis, in Asia.

Felicitatis, an illustrious Roman lady, of a considerable family, and the

most shining virtues, was a devout Christian. She had seven sons, whom

she had educated with the most exemplary piety.

Januarius, the eldest, was scourged, and pressed to death with weights,

Felix and Philip, the two next had their brains dashed out with clubs,

Silvanus, the fourth, was murdered by being thrown from a precipice, and

the three younger sons, Alexander, Vitalis, and Martial, were beheaded.

The mother was beheaded with the same sword as the three latter.

Justin, the celebrated philosopher, fell a martyr in this persecution. He

was a native of Neapolis, in Samaria, and was born AD 103. Justin was a

great lover of truth, and a universal scholar; he investigated the Stoic and

Peripatetic philosophy, and attempted the Pythagorean; but the behavior

of one of its professors disgusting him, he applied himself to the Platonic,

in which he took great delight. About the year 133, when he was thirty

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years of age, he became a. convert to Christianity, and then, for the first

time, perceived the real nature of truth.

He wrote an elegant epistle to the Gentiles, and employed his talents in

convincing the Jews of the truth of the Christian rites; spending a great

deal of time in traveling, until he took up his abode in Rome, and fixed his

habitation upon the Viminal mount.

He kept a public school, taught many who afterward became great men,

and wrote a treatise to confuse heresies of all kinds. As the pagans began

to treat the Christians with great severity, Justin wrote his first apology in

their favor. This piece displays great learning and genius, and occasioned

the emperor to publish an edict in favor of the Christians.

Soon after, he entered into frequent contests with Crescens, a person of a

vicious life and conversation, but a celebrated cynic philosopher; and his

arguments appeared so powerful, yet disgusting to the cynic that he

resolved on, and in the sequel accomplished, his destruction.

The second apology of Justin, upon certain severities, gave Crescens the

cynic an opportunity of prejudicing the emperor against the writer of it;

upon which Justin, and six of his companions, were apprehended. Being

commanded to sacrifice to the pagan idols, they refused, and were

condemned to be scourged, and then beheaded; which sentence was

executed with all imaginable severity.

Several were beheaded for refusing to sacrifice to the image of Jupiter, in

particular Concordus, a deacon of the city of Spolito.

Some of the restless northern nations having risen in arms against Rome,

the emperor marched to encounter them. He was, however, drawn into an

ambuscade, and dreaded the loss of his whole army.

Enveloped with mountains, surrounded by enemies, and perishing with

thirst, the pagan deities were invoked in vain; when the men belonging to

the militine, or thundering legion, who â€˜were all Christians, were

commanded to call upon their God for succor. A miraculous deliverance

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immediately ensued: a prodigious quantity of rain fell, which, being caught

by the men, and filling their dikes, afforded a sudden and astonishing relief.

It appears that the storm which miraculously flashed in the face of the

enemy so intimidated them, that part deserted to the Roman army; the rest

were defeated, and the revolted provinces entirely recovered.

This affair occasioned the persecution to subside for some time, at least in

those parts immediately under the inspection of the emperor; but we find

that it soon after raged in France, particularly at Lyons, where the tortures

to which many of the Christians were put, almost exceed the powers of

description.

The principal of these martyrs were Vetius Agathus, a young man;

Blandina, a Christian lady, of a weak constitution; Sanctus, a deacon of

Vienna; red hot plates of brass were placed upon the tenderest parts of his

body; Biblias, a weak woman, once an apostate. Attalus, of Pergamus; and

Pothinus, the venerable bishop of Lyons, who was ninety years of age.

Blandina, on the day when she and the three other champions were first

brought into the amphitheater, she was suspended on a piece of wood

fixed in the ground, and exposed as food for the wild beasts; at which time,

by her earnest prayers, she encouraged others. But none of the wild beasts

would touch her, so that she was remanded to prison. When she was again

produced for the third and last time, she was accompanied by Ponticus, a

youth of fifteen, and the constancy of their faith so enraged the multitude

that neither the sex of the one nor the youth of the other were respected,

being exposed to all manner of punishments and tortures.

Being strengthened by Blandina, he persevered unto death; and she after

enduring all the torments heretofore mentioned, was at length slain with

the sword.

When the Christians, upon these occasions, received martyrdom, they

were ornamented, and crowned with garlands of flowers; for which they, in

heaven, received eternal crowns of glory.

It has been said that the lives of the early Christians consisted of

â€œpersecution above ground and prayer below ground.â€ Their lives are

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expressed by the Coliseum and the catacombs. Beneath Rome are the

excavations which we call the catacombs, which were at once temples and

tombs. The early Church of Rome might well be called the Church of the

Catacombs. There are some sixty catacombs near Rome, in which some six

hundred miles of galleries have been traced, and these are not all. These

galleries are about eight feet high and from three to five feet wide,

containing on either side several rows of long, low, horizontal recesses, one

above another like berths in a ship. In these the dead bodies were placed

and the front closed, either by a single marble slab or several great tiles laid

in mortar. On these slabs or tiles, epitaphs or symbols are graved or

painted.

Both pagans and Christians buried their dead in these catacombs. When the

Christian graves have been opened, the skeletons tell their own terrible

tale. Heads are found severed from the body, ribs and shoulder blades are

broken, bones are often calcined from fire. But despite the awful story of

persecution that we may read here, the inscriptions breathe forth peace

and joy and triumph.

Here are a few:

â€œHere lies Marcia, put to rest in a dream of peace.â€ â€œLawrence to his

sweetest son, borne away of angels.â€ â€œVictorious in peace and in Christ.â€

â€œBeing called away, he went in peace.â€

Remember when reading these inscriptions the story the skeletons tell of

persecution, of torture, and of fire. But the full force of these epitaphs is

seen when we contrast them with the pagan epitaphs, such as:

â€œLive for the present hour, since we are sure of nothing else.â€ â€œI lift my

hands against the gods who took me away at the age of twenty though I

had done no harm.â€ â€œOnce I was not. Now I am not. I know nothing about

it, and it is no concern of mine.â€ â€œTraveler, curse me not as you pass, for I

am in darkness and cannot answer.â€

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The most frequent Christian symbols on the walls of the catacombs, are,

the good shepherd with the lamb on his shoulder, a ship under full sail,

harps, anchors, crowns, vines, and above all the fish.

ref fox's book of martyr

edwardlong · June 19, 2010

THE FOURTH PERSECUTION,
UNDER MARCUS AURELIUS ANTONINUS, AD 162
Marcus Aurelius, followed about the year of our Lord 161, a man of nature
more stern and severe; and, although in study of philosophy and in civil
government no less commendable, yet, toward the Christians sharp and
fierce; by whom was moved the fourth persecution.
The cruelties used in this persecution were such that many of the
spectators shuddered with horror at the sight, and were astonished at the
intrepidity of the sufferers. Some of the martyrs were obliged to pass,
with their already wounded feet, over thorns, nails, sharp shells, etc. upon
their points, others were scourged until their sinews and veins lay bare,
and after suffering the most excruciating tortures that could be devised,
they were destroyed by the most terrible deaths.
Germanicus, a young man, but a true Christian, being delivered to the wild
beasts on account of his faith, behaved with such astonishing courage that
several pagans became converts to a faith which inspired such fortitude.
Polycarp, the venerable bishop of Smyrna, hearing that persons were
seeking for him, escaped, but was discovered by a child. After feasting the
guards who apprehended him, he desired an hour in prayer, which being
allowed, he prayed with such fervency, that his guards repented that they
had been instrumental in taking him. He was, however, carried before the
proconsul, condemned, and burnt in the market place.
26
The proconsul then urged him, saying, â€œSwear, and I will release thee; â€”
reproach Christ.â€ Polycarp answered, â€œEighty and six years have I served
him, and he never once wronged me; how then shall I blaspheme my King,
Who hath saved me?â€ At the stake, to which he was only tied, but not
nailed as usual, as he assured them he should stand immovable, the flames,
on their kindling the fagots, encircled his body, like an arch, without
touching him, and the executioner, on seeing this, was ordered to pierce
him with a sword when so great a quantity of blood flowed out as
extinguished. the fire. But his body, at the instigation of the enemies of the
Gospel, especially Jews, was ordered to be consumed in the pile, and the
request of his friends, who wished to give it Christian burial, rejected.
They nevertheless collected his bones and as much of his remains as
possible, and caused them to be decently interred.
Metrodorus, a minister, who preached boldly, and Pionius, who made
some excellent apologies for the Christian faith, were likewise burnt.
Carpus and Papilus, two worthy Christians, and Agathonica, a pious
woman, suffered martyrdom at Pergamopolis, in Asia.
Felicitatis, an illustrious Roman lady, of a considerable family, and the
most shining virtues, was a devout Christian. She had seven sons, whom
she had educated with the most exemplary piety.
Januarius, the eldest, was scourged, and pressed to death with weights,
Felix and Philip, the two next had their brains dashed out with clubs,
Silvanus, the fourth, was murdered by being thrown from a precipice, and
the three younger sons, Alexander, Vitalis, and Martial, were beheaded.
The mother was beheaded with the same sword as the three latter.
Justin, the celebrated philosopher, fell a martyr in this persecution. He
was a native of Neapolis, in Samaria, and was born AD 103. Justin was a
great lover of truth, and a universal scholar; he investigated the Stoic and
Peripatetic philosophy, and attempted the Pythagorean; but the behavior
of one of its professors disgusting him, he applied himself to the Platonic,
in which he took great delight. About the year 133, when he was thirty
27
years of age, he became a. convert to Christianity, and then, for the first
time, perceived the real nature of truth.
He wrote an elegant epistle to the Gentiles, and employed his talents in
convincing the Jews of the truth of the Christian rites; spending a great
deal of time in traveling, until he took up his abode in Rome, and fixed his
habitation upon the Viminal mount.
He kept a public school, taught many who afterward became great men,
and wrote a treatise to confuse heresies of all kinds. As the pagans began
to treat the Christians with great severity, Justin wrote his first apology in
their favor. This piece displays great learning and genius, and occasioned
the emperor to publish an edict in favor of the Christians.
Soon after, he entered into frequent contests with Crescens, a person of a
vicious life and conversation, but a celebrated cynic philosopher; and his
arguments appeared so powerful, yet disgusting to the cynic that he
resolved on, and in the sequel accomplished, his destruction.
The second apology of Justin, upon certain severities, gave Crescens the
cynic an opportunity of prejudicing the emperor against the writer of it;
upon which Justin, and six of his companions, were apprehended. Being
commanded to sacrifice to the pagan idols, they refused, and were
condemned to be scourged, and then beheaded; which sentence was
executed with all imaginable severity.
Several were beheaded for refusing to sacrifice to the image of Jupiter, in
particular Concordus, a deacon of the city of Spolito.
Some of the restless northern nations having risen in arms against Rome,
the emperor marched to encounter them. He was, however, drawn into an
ambuscade, and dreaded the loss of his whole army.
Enveloped with mountains, surrounded by enemies, and perishing with
thirst, the pagan deities were invoked in vain; when the men belonging to
the militine, or thundering legion, who â€˜were all Christians, were
commanded to call upon their God for succor. A miraculous deliverance
28
immediately ensued: a prodigious quantity of rain fell, which, being caught
by the men, and filling their dikes, afforded a sudden and astonishing relief.
It appears that the storm which miraculously flashed in the face of the
enemy so intimidated them, that part deserted to the Roman army; the rest
were defeated, and the revolted provinces entirely recovered.
This affair occasioned the persecution to subside for some time, at least in
those parts immediately under the inspection of the emperor; but we find
that it soon after raged in France, particularly at Lyons, where the tortures
to which many of the Christians were put, almost exceed the powers of
description.
The principal of these martyrs were Vetius Agathus, a young man;
Blandina, a Christian lady, of a weak constitution; Sanctus, a deacon of
Vienna; red hot plates of brass were placed upon the tenderest parts of his
body; Biblias, a weak woman, once an apostate. Attalus, of Pergamus; and
Pothinus, the venerable bishop of Lyons, who was ninety years of age.
Blandina, on the day when she and the three other champions were first
brought into the amphitheater, she was suspended on a piece of wood
fixed in the ground, and exposed as food for the wild beasts; at which time,
by her earnest prayers, she encouraged others. But none of the wild beasts
would touch her, so that she was remanded to prison. When she was again
produced for the third and last time, she was accompanied by Ponticus, a
youth of fifteen, and the constancy of their faith so enraged the multitude
that neither the sex of the one nor the youth of the other were respected,
being exposed to all manner of punishments and tortures.
Being strengthened by Blandina, he persevered unto death; and she after
enduring all the torments heretofore mentioned, was at length slain with
the sword.
When the Christians, upon these occasions, received martyrdom, they
were ornamented, and crowned with garlands of flowers; for which they, in
heaven, received eternal crowns of glory.
It has been said that the lives of the early Christians consisted of
â€œpersecution above ground and prayer below ground.â€ Their lives are
29
expressed by the Coliseum and the catacombs. Beneath Rome are the
excavations which we call the catacombs, which were at once temples and
tombs. The early Church of Rome might well be called the Church of the
Catacombs. There are some sixty catacombs near Rome, in which some six
hundred miles of galleries have been traced, and these are not all. These
galleries are about eight feet high and from three to five feet wide,
containing on either side several rows of long, low, horizontal recesses, one
above another like berths in a ship. In these the dead bodies were placed
and the front closed, either by a single marble slab or several great tiles laid
in mortar. On these slabs or tiles, epitaphs or symbols are graved or
painted.
Both pagans and Christians buried their dead in these catacombs. When the
Christian graves have been opened, the skeletons tell their own terrible
tale. Heads are found severed from the body, ribs and shoulder blades are
broken, bones are often calcined from fire. But despite the awful story of
persecution that we may read here, the inscriptions breathe forth peace
and joy and triumph.
Here are a few:
â€œHere lies Marcia, put to rest in a dream of peace.â€ â€œLawrence to his
sweetest son, borne away of angels.â€ â€œVictorious in peace and in Christ.â€
â€œBeing called away, he went in peace.â€
Remember when reading these inscriptions the story the skeletons tell of
persecution, of torture, and of fire. But the full force of these epitaphs is
seen when we contrast them with the pagan epitaphs, such as:
â€œLive for the present hour, since we are sure of nothing else.â€ â€œI lift my
hands against the gods who took me away at the age of twenty though I
had done no harm.â€ â€œOnce I was not. Now I am not. I know nothing about
it, and it is no concern of mine.â€ â€œTraveler, curse me not as you pass, for I
am in darkness and cannot answer.â€
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The most frequent Christian symbols on the walls of the catacombs, are,
the good shepherd with the lamb on his shoulder, a ship under full sail,
harps, anchors, crowns, vines, and above all the fish.

ref fox's book of martyr

By killing me with very long.... very chim postings...am i now considered a martyr? :help:

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 19, 2010

By killing me with very long.... very chim postings...am i now considered a martyr? :help:

be respectful bro ..... those ppl have died declaring their love for christ , to be called martyr , or do i have to asked you to suck milk and see you withdraw your statement again:angel:

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 20, 2010

The Fifth Persecution, Commencing with Severus, A.D. 192

Severus, having been recovered from a severe fit of sickness by a Christian, became a great favorer of the

Christians in general; but the prejudice and fury of the ignorant multitude prevailing, obsolete laws were put

in execution against the Christians. The progress of Christianity alarmed the pagans, and they revived the

stale calumny of placing accidental misfortunes to the account of its professors, A.D. 192.

But, though persecuting malice raged, yet the Gospel shone with resplendent brightness; and, firm as an

impregnable rock, withstood the attacks of its boisterous enemies with success. Tertullian, who lived in this

age, informs us that if the Christians had collectively withdrawn themselves from the Roman territories, the

empire would have been greatly depopulated.

Victor, bishop of Rome, suffered martyrdom in the first year of the third century, A.D. 201. Leonidus, the

father of the celebrated Origen, was beheaded for being a Christian. Many of Origen's hearers likewise

suffered martyrdom; particularly two brothers, named Plutarchus and Serenus; another Serenus, Heron, and

Heraclides, were beheaded. Rhais had boiled pitch poured upon her head, and was then burnt, as was

Marcella her mother. Potainiena, the sister of Rhais, was executed in the same manner as Rhais had been; but

Basilides, an officer belonging to the army, and ordered to attend her execution, became her convert.

Basilides being, as an officer, required to take a certain oath, refused, saying, that he could not swear by the

Roman idols, as he was a Christian. Struck with surpsie, the people could not, at first, believe what they

heard; but he had no sooner confirmed the same, than he was dragged before the judge, committed to prison,

and speedily afterward beheaded.

Irenaeus, bishop of Lyons, was born in Greece, and received both a polite and a Christian education. It is

generally supposed that the account of the persecutions at Lyons was written by himself. He succeeded the

martyr Pothinus as bishop of Lyons, and ruled his diocese with great propriety; he was a zealous opposer of

heresies in general, and, about A.D. 187, he wrote a celebrated tract against heresy. Victor, the bishop of

Rome, wanting to impose the keeping of Easter there, in preference to other places, it occasioned some

disorders among the Christians. In particular, Irenaeus wrote him a synodical epistle, in the name of the

Gallic churches. This zeal, in favor of Christianity, pointed him out as an object of resentment to the

emperor; and in A.D. 202, he was beheaded.

The persecutions now extending to Africa, many were martyred in that quarter of the globe; the most

particular of whom we shall mention.

Perpetua, a married lady, of about twenty-two years. Those who suffered with her were, Felicitas, a married

lady, big with child at the time of her being apprehended, and Revocatus, catechumen of Carthage, and a

slave. The names of the other prisoners, destined to suffer upon this occasion, were Saturninus, Secundulus,

and Satur. On the day appointed for their execution, they were led to the amphitheater. Satur, Saturninus, and

Revocatus were ordered to run the gauntlet between the hunters, or such as had the care of the wild beasts.

The hunters being drawn up in two ranks, they ran between, and were severely lashed as they passed.

Felicitas and Perpetua were stripped, in order to be thrown to a mad bull, which made his first attack upon

Perpetua, and stunned her; he then darted at Felicitas, and gored her dreadfully; but not killing them, the

executioner did that office with a sword. Revocatus and Satur were destroyed by wild beasts; Saturninus was

beheaded; and Secundulus died in prison. These executions were in the 205, on the eighth day of March.

Speratus and twelve others were likewise beheaded; as was Andocles in France. Asclepiades, bishop of

Antioch, suffered many tortures, but his life was spared.

Cecilia, a young lady of good family in Rome, was married to a gentleman named Valerian. She converted

her husband and brother, who were beheaded; and the maximus, or officer, who led them to execution,

becoming their convert, suffered the same fate. The lady was placed naked in a scalding bath, and having

continued there a considerable time, her head was struck off with a sword, A.D. 222.

Calistus, bishop of Rome, was martyred, A.D. 224; but the manner of his death is not recorded; and Urban,

bishop of Rome, met the same fate A.D. 232.

ref fox's book of martyr

edwardlong · June 21, 2010

be respectful bro ..... those ppl have died declaring their love for christ , to be called martyr , or do i have to asked you to suck milk and see you withdraw your statement again:angel:

eh... nothing to do with these great ppl.

Define solid food and milk biblically.

Is posting these records considered as solid food ? How did Apostle Paul define solid food as? In the answer you will find the reason for my previous post.

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 21, 2010

eh... nothing to do with these great ppl.

Define solid food and milk biblically.

Is posting these records considered as solid food ? How did Apostle Paul define solid food as? In the answer you will find the reason for my previous post.

you go find him lah .....last time i ask you go sucks milk ,all your posting statement you withdraw....i was wondering you find what kind of milk:cheeky:

EddyMeng · June 21, 2010

you go find him lah .....last time i ask you go sucks milk ,all your posting statement you withdraw....i was wondering you find what kind of milk:cheeky:

maybe HL Milk

holy lactose milk ???

http://www.shoppingguide.sg/images/promotions/marigold_100309.jpg

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 21, 2010

maybe HL Milk

holy lactose milk ???

http://www.shoppingguide.sg/images/promotions/marigold_100309.jpg

i tot is the Ho liao milk:angel:

EddyMeng · June 21, 2010

i tot is the Ho liao milk:angel:

Ho liao milk huh ... maybe that's why Bro Edward loves to drink mah

slogan like dumex comes to my mind :

grow like a champion grow, grow like a champion grow, grow like a champion ...

ChaoPuzzy1968 · June 21, 2010

Ho liao milk huh ... maybe that's why Bro Edward loves to drink mah

slogan like dumex comes to my mind :

grow like a champion grow, grow like a champion grow, grow like a champion ...

but he's still veri short.......but the edward is long......

edwardlong · June 21, 2010

but he's still veri short.......but the edward is long......

wah lau....i ask you a decent question, i get HL milk and alot of name calling..tsk tsk.

Sorry hor...not withdrawing anything today... I very free liao. You need to buy me dinner for me to withdraw.

EddyMeng · June 21, 2010

Sorry hor...not withdrawing anything today... I very free liao. You need to buy me dinner for me to withdraw.

withdraw money huh

we buy dinner ... you pay first hor

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