Bikers Theological Discussion

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 22, 2010

What Yee Kiat is asking is....if one doesn't know about Grace...does that mean he is not going to heaven....

Which comes to the same question as....

How many of us are sure that should he die today..... he knows where he is going to....??

that's why i ask did he defrost his chicken before he shoot:angel:

if the chicken's not defrosted it would smash thru the shatter proof windshield ...tear the driver chair into two and embedded into the metal frame behind .....test not fail nor pass...test disqualified against spec:angel:

BTW the correct question is if one die would he meet and dine with Jesus and not just heaven.

as what sebaz emphaziz ...it Jesus,Jesus,Jesus,Jesus,Jesus and Jesus

Grace protect us from the effect of the law(which means irreconcilation between G-d and men and suffer the effect thereof)

Grace allows us by the redempting factors by the blood shed on the cross to allows G-d and men to turn back to one another in reconsile

negation of grace means making a mockery out of this sacrfice ie " G-d love me what so i can continue to screwed her " that kind of attitude. but again this is between him and G-d.

Edited March 22, 2010 by ChaoPuzzy1968

NinjaLite · March 22, 2010

har nor har nor..shdnt hav defrost d evil cat out of d freezer...

okie, here comes d crunch question...

many things fall under sin category... eg white lies, excessive drinking, bingeing....ogling at gals, swearing .... etc etc... so in effect all these sins r repeeated daily no matter ur mind is thinking of law or grace.. and bcos d evil cat for wexample..example lah ..of cos we know dat cats dont smoke... for example , d cat stil purposely smokes..

den by dat defnition d cat still fails in life wat..still as dead as a dead cat in life.. even if d cat believes in grace... cos he cant stop smoking...

UNLESS... hehe unless u mean big Sins... den it leads us another discussion on whetehr ther is big sins or little sins...

x_00_x · March 22, 2010

har nor har nor..shdnt hav defrost d evil cat out of d freezer...

okie, here comes d crunch question...

many things fall under sin category... eg white lies, excessive drinking, bingeing....ogling at gals, swearing .... etc etc... so in effect all these sins r repeeated daily no matter ur mind is thinking of law or grace.. and bcos d evil cat for wexample..example lah ..of cos we know dat cats dont smoke... for example , d cat stil purposely smokes..

den by dat defnition d cat still fails in life wat..still as dead as a dead cat in life.. even if d cat believes in grace... cos he cant stop smoking...

UNLESS... hehe unless u mean big Sins... den it leads us another discussion on whetehr ther is big sins or little sins...

you should defrost the chicken first.

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 22, 2010

har nor har nor..shdnt hav defrost d evil cat out of d freezer...

okie, here comes d crunch question...

many things fall under sin category... eg white lies, excessive drinking, bingeing....ogling at gals, swearing .... etc etc... so in effect all these sins r repeeated daily no matter ur mind is thinking of law or grace.. and bcos d evil cat for wexample..example lah ..of cos we know dat cats dont smoke... for example , d cat stil purposely smokes..

den by dat defnition d cat still fails in life wat..still as dead as a dead cat in life.. even if d cat believes in grace... cos he cant stop smoking...

UNLESS... hehe unless u mean big Sins... den it leads us another discussion on whetehr ther is big sins or little sins...

deforst the chicken you dumb yank:cheeky:

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EddyMeng · March 22, 2010

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Grace is not forcing a non-smoker cat to smoke

EddyMeng · March 22, 2010

Is life reali so straight-cut defined as Grace and Law? eg when one sin ...eg hehe smoking sin ....( i know i kw lah..jus quoting 1 non-controversial example haha)

During smoking, does one reali think in his mind,,,oh i hv broken d Law....
or reali hv to meditate until can automatically say .."now i m under Grace"....

ha ha ha ... that depends if the smoker "give thanks to G_D" aka "say grace" before puffing the cigarette.

ok ... bad HABIT are difficult to overcome.

How to get rid of bad HABIT

if u remove H, you still have A-BIT

if u remove HA, BIT still remains.

if u remove HAB, IT is still there.

The only solution is to remove the Bad HABIT â€¦ is by the last letter which is the cross (t)

how should one overcome bad habit by the cross ... anyone wants to share?

Shalom,

Eddy

NinjaLite · March 22, 2010

So come come...explain to mi.. please..

Is ther Big Sin and Little Sin? or is ther Allowable sin?

If all sins is d same, den wat x_00_x says abt if one purposely commits sin under grace , thus negate grace ... then even smoking .. oh ok..lets use something else..telling lies or ogling..wil then void d power of grace? bcos... u, mi , everyone incl cats also commits little sins...

NinjaLite · March 22, 2010

Envy, jealous, anger, greed ... common among human...

Sinful tots....

lust, dissent, gossiping (especially abt JN )... all sinful deeds....

Are we then falling out of grace ? Bcos for sure we all purposefully do it...even if some of us focus a lot on grace...

So, d question dat always trouble mi is... so how different is this compare to under Law..or mixture of Law/Grace ??

x_00_x · March 22, 2010

So come come...explain to mi.. please..

Is ther Big Sin and Little Sin? or is ther Allowable sin?

If all sins is d same, den wat x_00_x says abt if one purposely commits sin under grace , thus negate grace ... then even smoking .. oh ok..lets use something else..telling lies or ogling..wil then void d power of grace? bcos... u, mi , everyone incl cats also commits little sins...

Grace is given, not expected. If you expect it, then it's called a Reward. To answer you, a sin is a sin, there is no such thing as big sin or small sin. The wages of sin is death, it doesn't say you die harder or softer or whatever. You die means you die.

When you fall out of Grace, you fall back into the judgment of the law. And as Mordecai has mentioned in the past, your body is subject to decay. So if you want to smoke knowing that you are not putting anything clean into it, you don't expect your body to be renewed like the eagles ya?

If you ogle, then dont be surprised if you eyes get infected one day or if other parts of your life starts to break down (relationship, mindset etc).

If none of these happens. You know that God's Grace is dispense to you by Him. Give thanks and do not repeat the same mistake again, less the next time the same Grace is not given. God is Just, don't twist His arm just so that you can have your way.

x_00_x · March 22, 2010

Envy, jealous, anger, greed ... common among human...

Sinful tots....

lust, dissent, gossiping (especially abt JN )... all sinful deeds....

Are we then falling out of grace ? Bcos for sure we all purposefully do it...even if some of us focus a lot on grace...

So, d question dat always trouble mi is... so how different is this compare to under Law..or mixture of Law/Grace ??

You can give it a try and see how it goes. I'll be there to encourage you back to the goodness of Jesus if you want to return.

You have been given the answers many times over and i trust you know it well too. If you want further answers, pray to God and be patient. Because for he who lack wisdom in the area of their life, if they ask God, He will give it to them liberally.

NinjaLite · March 22, 2010

hahaha..ya..i old man areadi mah...must tell many times b4 i can get it...den must tell mi many times yet again b4 i can remember..

but d one and only doctrine is tis:

since all doctrines ( except for main Gospel)... is non-essential to Salvation... So..dun hurt each other feelings la... no matter whether one from traditional or charismatic etc etc....

so when i hear nice ppl like tim, johan, eddy etc hurt their frenship when discussin wif ppl who disagree wif healing/grace/wealth etc doctrines....then i feel its not worth it lor...

so conclusion is ?? doctrines r good for individual but not essential.... so shake hands, hug and kiss up.....

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 22, 2010

hahaha..ya..i old man areadi mah...must tell many times b4 i can get it...den must tell mi many times yet again b4 i can remember..

but d one and only doctrine is tis:

since all doctrines ( except for main Gospel)... is non-essential to Salvation... So..dun hurt each other feelings la... no matter whether one from traditional or charismatic etc etc....

so when i hear nice ppl like tim, johan, eddy etc hurt their frenship when discussin wif ppl who disagree wif healing/grace/wealth etc doctrines....then i feel its not worth it lor...(that's your opinion, I rather that they know there are ppl like redname , me and sebaz and eddie .......... and before they open thier mouth and get their rotten teeth yank out, but if they want further tooth decay they can look for other ppl who also got weak gum loh )

so your term of christian relationship have to tell lies to one another for peace...or like irene kng , the wife had to close two eye and pretend she never see for the peace of the hse and allow the wendy to climb jack bean stalk ? then sori that's your standard but not all of us hor

so conclusion is ?? doctrines r good for individual but not essential.... so shake hands, hug and kiss up.....

deforst your birdie you dumb yank!

Jesus was kill because he know he's hurt ppl feeling........

all the apostle suffered painful death because they hurt ppl feeling...

all thru the ages christian spoke up the truth.... die and hurt ppl feelings

have you read the foxes book of matyr ....

it's better to learn what you think you believe...if they find their feeling being hurt it's because they didin't do they home work and know not what they belief ...

it's called shamed

KJV 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word

Edited March 22, 2010 by ChaoPuzzy1968

EddyMeng · March 22, 2010

Pilate gave a title to be hung over Jesus' head on the Cross and this title was written in three languages which was the practice of the day - Latin, Greek and Aramaic - JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. ( John 19: 19 ) When the chief priests of the Jews saw the inscription, they were shocked and quickly went to the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, to have the title altered but Pilate refused. So what did the chief priests saw that made them object to the title? I submit to you the title itself in Hebrew "Yeshua HaNazarei Vemelekh HaYhudim" Pilate, by the power of the Holy Spirit, did indeed declare that Jesus was none other than God Himself dying on the cross for us. What an amazing declaration! For a man who is an idol worshipper and a hard-core unbeliever, Pilate made the ultimate declaration that the Covenant-keeping God died there on the cross. Jesus kept the covenant for us when He died on the cross.

Yeshua = Jesus

HaNazarei = from Nazareth

Vemelekh = The King

HaYhudim = of the Jews

If you put the first letter of each word, you will see Y H V H

Edited April 9, 2010 by EddyMeng

EddyMeng · March 22, 2010

deforst your birdie you dumb yank!

Jesus was kill because he know he's hurt ppl feeling........

all the apostle suffered painful death because they hurt ppl feeling...

all thru the ages christian spoke up the truth.... die and hurt ppl feelings

have you read the foxes book of matyr ....

Matt 10:28a And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul

KJV 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word

(2 Timothy 2:15). But what does it mean to rightly divide? On the most basic level: It is reading a Bible passage and asking, "Am I in the group of people being spoken to here?" That is, "Is this passage speaking to Christians?" That is a dispensation by itself

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 22, 2010

Matt 10:28a And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul

yah lor ! true friend are made by confronting, not avoiding.

17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

(2 Timothy 2:15). But what does it mean to rightly divide? On the most basic level: It is reading a Bible passage and asking, "Am I in the group of people being spoken to here?" That is, "Is this passage speaking to Christians?" That is a dispensation by itself

yes you are

eddy can you do a proper presentation on dipensation?, it's important!

3622 oivkonomi,a oikonomia {oy-kon-om-ee'-ah} â€¢ from 3623; TDNT - 5:151,674; n f â€¢ AV - dispensation 4, stewardship 3; 7 â€¢ 1) the management of a household or of household affairs 1a) specifically, the

management, oversight, administration, of other's property 1b) the office of a manager or overseer, stewardship 1c) administration, dispensation

ref 1 http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/doctrine-debate-forum/1411-7-dispensations.html

ref 2 http://lakeeriebiblechurch.org/Doctrine/word/DOCTRINE%20OF%20DISPENSATIONS.doc

ref 3 http://makarios-online.org/notes/doctrine/Dispensations.doc

ref 4 http://www.gbible.org/index.php?proc=tvw&tid=6099

ref 1 http://www.brethrenonline.org/articles/dispen.htm

ref 2 http://www.pbministries.org/R.%20L.%20Dabney/Systematic%20Theology/systematic_theology.htm

Edited March 22, 2010 by ChaoPuzzy1968

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 22, 2010

Pilate gave a title to be hung over Jesus' head on the Cross and this title was written in three languages which was the practice of the day - Latin, Greek and Aramaic - JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS. ( John 19: 19 ) When the chief priests of the Jews saw the inscription, they were shocked and quickly went to the Roman Governor, Pontius Pilate, to have the title altered but Pilate refused. So what did the chief priests saw that made them object to the title? I submit to you the title itself in Hebrew "Yeshua HaNazarei Vemelekh HaYhudim" Pilate, by the power of the Holy Spirit, did indeed declare that Jesus was none other than God Himself dying on the cross for us. What an amazing declaration! For a man who is an idol worshipper and a hard-core unbeliever, Pilate made the ultimate declaration that the Covenant-keeping God died there on the cross. Jesus kept the covenant for us when He died on the cross.

Yeshua = Jesus
HaNazarei = from Nazareth
Vemelekh = The King
HaYhudim = of the Jews

If you put the first letter of each word, you will see Y H V H

this is good....but what's is YHVH leh...elaborate:angel:

EddyMeng · March 22, 2010

this is good....but what's is YHVH leh...elaborate:angel:

that is name of our Father God

Add in the vowels, you will have "Yahweh" in English term.

In Hebrew: Hey vav Hey yud (Hebrew reads from left to right)

Each word in Hebrew is a picture:

Yud = open hand

Hey = window (means to look at open hand)

Vav = nail or hook

Hey = window (open-hand look, look to the nail)

which means "Open Hand of Grace nailed in Grace"

writting this stirs my heart, yet again to feel His Love for me

Edited April 8, 2010 by EddyMeng

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 22, 2010

that is name of our Father God
Add in the vowels, you will have "Yahweh" in English term.

In Hebrew: Hey Hey vav yud (Hebrew reads from left to right)
Each word in Hebrew is a picture:
Yud = open hand
Hey = window (means to look at open hand)
Vav = nail or hook
Hey = window (open-hand look, look to the nail)

which means "Open Hand of Grace nailed in Grace .

writting this stirs my heart, yet again to feel His Love for me

that's an amen:angel:

x_00_x · March 22, 2010

For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God -- Romans 8:15-16

NinjaLite · March 22, 2010

okay, so calling all children of GOD..

lets gather at barnyard tis wednesday for hmm...holy communion ....?

wanted to role play alpha..but haven gotten a projector yet....

so i must study Master in theology to shew myself approved?? shd i signup at Trinity college ?

EddyMeng · March 22, 2010

yes you are
eddy can you do a proper presentation on dipensation?, it's important!

The dispensation i would find most beneficial is found in the New Testament.

There are 2 major programs that are found in the New Testament.

One is the â€œkingdom of heavenâ€ as quoted in book of Matthew is the same program as mentioned in other gospel as â€œkingdom of Godâ€. This is due to Matthew was a writing to specifically Jewish readers, inserted "heaven" for "God" so as not to offend the Jewish sensibilities regarding uttering the name of God.

I have established that the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are exactly equivalent and for simplicity, we shall called it the â€œkingdom programâ€

This â€œkingdom programâ€ was only for the lost sheep of Israel

Matt 15:24 But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

If Israel are to repent as a nation and God would accept Israelâ€™s repentance

Acts 3:19~20 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before

God can change His mind â€¦ well, he did it once for the city of Nineveh before.

Jonah 3:10 Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.

God waited â€¦ Israel did not repent as their high priest did not accept Jesus â€¦ they persecute any men or women belonging to the Way.

Then God raise up Saul to be Apostle Paul in Acts 9 to be a Apostle to the Gentiles and the descendants of Israel. Hence, the â€œkingdom programâ€ was superceded by Paulâ€™s program â€“ which appropriately should be called the â€œChurch Ageâ€.

That is why I also say that four Gospels â€“ Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are NOT for the Church Age as Apostle Paul - our Apostle was not even converted yet.

This is what Paul says:

Gal 1:12 For indeed I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but [it came to me] through a [direct] revelation [given] by Jesus Christ (the Messiah).

Hence I submit to you that our marching order can be found in letters written by Paul as these letters are written to us (Gentiles coverts)

We can learn from books that are written for to Israel. BUT pls note that the audience for those books are NOT us (Gentile Christian) Dun make the warnings and commandments as if they are written for the Church Dispensation.

We can learn and benefit from OT, epistles written to the Jews. However, we need to read in context

hope this is proper enough

Shalom,

Eddy

Edited March 22, 2010 by EddyMeng

ChaoPuzzy1968 · March 22, 2010

okay, so calling all children of GOD..

lets gather at barnyard tis wednesday for hmm...holy communion ....?

wanted to role play alpha..but haven gotten a projector yet....

so i must study Master in theology to shew myself approved?? shd i signup at Trinity college ?

omg it's not a chicken in your fridge ....it a damn turkey:faint:

The dispensation i would find most beneficial is found in the New Testament.

There are 2 major programs that are found in the New Testament.

One is the â€œkingdom of heavenâ€ as quoted in book of Matthew is the same program as mentioned in other gospel as â€œkingdom of Godâ€. This is due to Matthew was a writing to specifically Jewish readers, inserted "heaven" for "God" so as not to offend the Jewish sensibilities regarding uttering the name of God.

I have established that the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven are exactly equivalent and for simplicity, we shall called it the â€œkingdom programâ€

This â€œkingdom programâ€ was only for the lost sheep of Israel
Matt 15:24 But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

If Israel are to repent as a nation and God would accept Israelâ€™s repentance
Acts 3:19~20 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before

God can change His mind â€¦ well, he did it once for the city of Nineveh before.
Jonah 3:10 Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.

God waited â€¦ Israel did not repent as their high priest did not accept Jesus â€¦ they persecute any men or women belonging to the Way.

Then God raise up Saul to be Apostle Paul in Acts 9 to be a Apostle to the Gentiles and the descendants of Israel. Hence, the â€œkingdom programâ€ was superceded by Paulâ€™s program â€“ which appropriately should be called the â€œChurch Ageâ€.

That is why I also say that four Gospels â€“ Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are NOT for the Church Age as Apostle Paul - our Apostle was not even converted yet.

This is what Paul says:
Gal 1:12 For indeed I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but [it came to me] through a [direct] revelation [given] by Jesus Christ (the Messiah).

Hence I submit to you that our marching order can be found in letters written by Paul as these letters are written to us (Gentiles coverts)

We can learn from books that are written for to Israel. BUT pls note that the audience for those books are NOT us (Gentile Christian) Dun make the warnings and commandments as if they are written for the Church Dispensation.

We can learn and benefit from OT, epistles written to the Jews. However, we need to read in context

hope this is proper enough

Shalom,
Eddy

bro u kenna poison liao

do something like this

extract from http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/doctrine-debate-forum/1411-7-dispensations.html

The Seven Dispensations

Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth

by Dr. C. I. Scofield

The Scriptures divide time (by which is meant the entire period from the creation of Adam to the "new heaven and a new earth" of Rev. 21: 1) into seven unequal periods, usually called dispensations (Eph. 3:2), although these periods are also called ages (Eph. 2:7) and days, as in "day of the Lord."

These periods are marked off in Scripture by some change in God's method of dealing with mankind, or a portion of mankind, in respect of the two questions: of sin, and of man's responsibility. Each of the dispensations may be regarded as a new test of the natural man, and each ends in judgment, marking his utter failure in every dispensation. Five of these dispensations, or periods of time, have been fulfilled; we are living in the sixth, probably toward its close, and have before us the seventh, and last: the millennium.

1. Man innocent.

"This dispensation extends from the creation of Adam in Genesis 2:7 to the expulsion from Eden. Adam, created innocent and ignorant of good and evil, was placed in the garden of Eden with his wife, Eve, and put under responsibility to abstain from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The dispensation of innocence resulted in the first failure of man, and in its far-reaching effects, the most disastrous. It closed in judgment: "So he drove out the man." See Gen. 1:26; Gen. 2:16,17; Gen. 3:6; Gen. 3:22-24.)"

Salvation Gospel in this dispensation:

Do not eat of the tree of knowledge.

Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

2. Man under conscience.

"By the fall, Adam and Eve acquired and transmitted to the race the knowledge of good and evil. This gave conscience a basis for right moral judgment, and hence the race came under this measure of responsibility-to do good and eschew evil. The result of the dispensation of conscience, from Eden to the flood (while there was no institution of government and of law), was that "all flesh had corrupted his way on the earth," that "the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually," and God closed the second testing of the natural man with judgment: the flood. See Gen. 3:7, 22; Gen. 6:5,11-12; Gen. 7:11-12, 23.)"

Salvation Gospel in this dispensation:

Do good and do not do evil.

Genesis 3:22 Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"-- 23 therefore the Lord God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken.

3. Man in authority over the earth.

"Out of the fearful judgment of the flood God saved eight persons, to whom, after the waters were assuaged, He gave the purified earth with ample power to govern it. This, Noah and his descendants were responsible to do. The dispensation of human government resulted, upon the plain of Shinar, in the impious attempt to become independent of God and closed in judgment: the confusion of tongues. (See Gen. 9: 1, 2; Gen. 11: 1-4; Gen. 11:5-8.)"

Salvation Gospel in this dispensation:

Believe God and build an ark.

Genesis 6:16 "You shall make a window for the ark, and you shall finish it to a cubit from above; and set the door of the ark in its side. You shall make it [with] lower, second, and third [decks]. 17 "And behold, I Myself am bringing floodwaters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which [is] the breath of life; everything that [is] on the earth shall die. 18 "But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall go into the ark--you, your sons, your wife, and your sons' wives with you.

4. Man under promise.

"Out of the dispersed descendants of the builders of Babel, God called one man, Abram, with whom He enters into covenant. Some of the promises to Abram and his descendants were purely gracious and unconditional. These either have been or will yet be literally fulfilled. Other promises were conditional upon the faithfulness and obedience of the Israelites. Every one of these conditions was violated, and the dispensation of promise resulted in the failure of Israel and closed in the judgment of bondage in Egypt."

"The book of Genesis, which opens with the sublime words, "In the beginning God created," closes with, "In a coffin in Egypt." (See Gen. 12:1-3; Gen. 13:14-17; Gen. 15:5; Gen. 26:3; Gen. 28:12-13; Exod. 1: 13-14.)"

Salvation Gospel in this dispensation:

Believe God's promise.

Genesis 12:1 Now the Lord had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. 2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you.

5. Man under law.

"Again the grace of God came to the help of helpless man and redeemed the chosen people out of the hand of the oppressor. In the wilderness of Sinai He proposed to them the covenant of law. Instead of humbly pleading for a continued relation of grace, they presumptuously answered: "All that the Lord hath spoken we will do." The history of Israel in the wilderness and in the land is one long record of flagrant, persistent violation of the law, and at last, after multiplied warnings, God closed the testing of man by law in judgment: first Israel, and then Judah, were driven out of the land into a dispersion which still continues. A feeble remnant returned under Ezra and Nehemiah, of which, in due time, Christ came: "Born of a woman-made under the law." Both Jews and Gentiles conspired to crucify Him. (See Exod. 19:1-8; 2 Kings 17:1-18; 2 Kings 25: 1 -11; Acts 2:22-23; Acts 7:5152; Rom. 3:19-20; Rom. 10:5; Gal. 3: 10.)"

Salvation Gospel in this dispensation:

Obey God and keep His commandments.

Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth [is] Mine.

6. Man under grace.

"The sacrificial death of the Lord Jesus Christ introduced the dispensation of pure grace, which means undeserved favor, or God giving righteousness, instead of God requiring righteousness, as under law. Salvation, perfect and eternal, is now freely offered to Jew and Gentile upon the acknowledgment of sin, or repentance, with faith in Christ."

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent" (John 6:29). "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life" (John 6:47). "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24). "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish" (John 10:27-28). "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8-9).

The predicted result of this testing of man under grace is judgment upon an unbelieving world and an apostate church. (See Luke 17:26-30; Luke 18:8; 2 Thess. 2:7-12; Rev. 3:15-16.)

The first event in the closing of this dispensation will be the descent of the Lord from heaven, when sleeping saints will be raised and, together with believers then living, caught up "to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (I Thess. 4:16-17). Then follows the brief period called "the great tribulation." (See Jer. 30:5-7; Dan. 12:1; Zeph. 1:15-18; Matt. 24:21-22.)

Some teachers number the Tribulation as one of the dispensations, while combining the dispensations of Promise & Law. However, we see the Tribulation as a special period during which human civilization crumbles under the weight of the combined features of its ages long rejection of God. The Lord has limited this period to a short 7 years, to prevent man's self-destruction.

After this the personal return of the Lord to the earth in power and great glory occurs, and the judgments which introduce the seventh, and last dispensation. (See Matt. 25:31-46 and Matt. 24:29- 30.)"

Salvation Gospel in this dispensation:

Confess Jesus as Lord and believe in the resurrection.

Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

7. Man under the personal reign of Christ.

"After the purifying judgments which attend the personal return of Christ to the earth, He will reign over restored Israel and over the earth for one thousand years. This is the period commonly called the millennium. The seat of His power will be Jerusalem, and the saints, including the saved of the dispensation of grace, namely the church, will be associated with Him in His glory. (See Isa. 2:1-4; Isa. 11; Acts 15:14-17; Rev. 19:11-21; Rev. 20:1-6.

But when Satan is "loosed a little season," he finds the natural heart as prone to evil as ever, and easily gathers the nations to battle against the Lord and His saints, and this last dispensation closes, like all the others, in judgment. The great white throne is set, the wicked dead are raised and finally judged, and then come the "new heaven and a new earth." Eternity is begun. (See Rev. 20:3,7-15; Rev. 21 and 22.)"

NinjaLite · March 22, 2010

So we shd hav 1 Barnyard session for Proper Dispensing the Theory of Dispensation?

how do i defrost d turkey? by signing up for Masters of theology?

EddyMeng · March 23, 2010

bro u kenna poison liao

do something like this

extract from http://www.christiandoctrinediscussion.com/doctrine-debate-forum/1411-7-dispensations.html

That is even easier ... copy and paste wholesale

i juz want to pen down in words my opinion, cannot mah

i have read Dr. C. I. Scofield works which lead me to have a glimps on dispensation.

Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (August 19, 1843 - July 24, 1921)

another great teacher on this aspect is Les Feldick http://www.lesfeldick.org/

The dispensation i would find most beneficial is the one found in the New Testament. Why is it so important to me? i will show how "law man" church twist the Scripture in the 4 gospels to be commandments, rules for their members to obey ... for instance:

Matt 13:46 and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it.

The story is about Jesus giving up His life to redeem us.

The "law man" church" will twist this parable to become : you have to earn salvation (the pearl of great value), give up ALL you have ... yr time, yr money etc for the "law man" church.

You never see "ghost" before ... so you not afraid of the dark.

Dark forces are in the cults, quoting scriptures out of context and make christianity to be another religion. Putting bondages on their members ... which bind them as slaves

can you also pen down your tots on this dispensation here

Edited March 23, 2010 by EddyMeng

x_00_x · March 23, 2010

So we shd hav 1 Barnyard session for Proper Dispensing the Theory of Dispensation?

how do i defrost d turkey? by signing up for Masters of theology?

defrosting takes time. hence take the time to slowly digest what has been shared with you. Instead of having a 'what's next' mentality which is useless even the mysteries of the universe was revealed to you.

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