Differences between Class 2 Sports & Naked Bikes

[xbai87]

hi bros, i'm finally getting my cl2 and ready to upgrade. thing is, i'm at a total loss - there's just so many bikes available that i wouldn't mind having! hope the enlightened bros here can guide me to motoring nirvana by helping me to whittle down the type (i.e. sport or naked) of bikes i should be considering given the following.

 

from the outset i shd state that i love my sportbikes. i like the riding posture (i hate upright riding), and i like the way they look and perform.

 

(1) how upright are class 2 naked bikes (such as the Fazer 8, XJ 6)? is there really no forward-lean-and-legs-back at all?

 

now, i take very good care of my bikes - if they need to be serviced, they will be serviced even if it means i'm out of pocket more.

 

(2) is it really true that class 2 sportsbikes require more frequent and expensive maintenance? or are the servicing intervals/requirements the same?

 

(3) do class 2 sportsbikes drink alot more fuel than naked bikes? assuming that they are both stock without modification, and the riding style is the same, am i going to see a big difference in km/l? reading the many sports/naked bike threads, i am inclined to think that there is a very unsubstantial difference (say 3km/l) .. i think 3km/l is unsubstantial la .. at the pump it's only going to be $5-10 more?

 

please share ur experiences bros!

[biting_point]

read around more to understand the bikes..

 

go to shops and ask opinions, but dun bring any NETS/ATM card or any form of cash..

in case you care forced to do downpayment..

 

Loois motors is a good place to start with for trying different kinds of bikes..

 

1) most roadbikes like FZ have a slight degree of slanting forward..

upright sitting posture bikes are ADV, tourers or Motards..

there are also sports tourers like Hayabusa and VFR1200, they offer more comfort compared to true breed sportsbike like R1/R6..

 

there are also Italian bikes like Ducati (1198) and Aprilia (RSV) to consider..

 

2) Most Japanese bikes have a longer service interval compared to Italians/Euro bikes..

service costs also depends on your bike's capacity and configuration..

A 500cc motard definitely has a cheaper servicing than a V4 sportsbike..

less sparkplugs are needed, less EO is needed, less complicated..

standard normal service intervals like every 5000km for EO change, every other EO change for oil filter change etc are pretty much the same for every bikes, it's also up to the owner's preference to adjust it, for example: 3000km..

 

however, the valve clearance servicing (consider the main servicing) varies from bikes to bikes.. most Japanese bikes recommended to do at 20,000 or 30,000KM, some even at 40,000KMs.. But for Ducati, it's at 12,000KM..

Most sportsbikes have a lower valve clearance interval compared to other types of bikes..

 

3) Their FC is able the same.. Most sportsbike ranges from 12-15km/L, FC is hugely affected by riding style, traffic, tyre pressures, engine oil, etc..

Most class 2 bikes are getting somewhere abt 15-22km/L due to the higher capacity and the bigger carb/FI..

 

my friend like to say:"人可以不吃饭，motor 不可以不喝油！" translated "man can dun eat, but motorbike cannot dun drink petrol"

 

bigger bikes definitely needs more fuel to get going.. cannot compare to wave/pulsar that reaps 50km/L..

bigger bikes will have similar fuel range as they have much bigger tanks!!

 

******

for me, I rode a Yamaha Super Tenere that reaps 20km/L, i doing 5000KM EO and oil filter change, my valve clearance is at 40,000KM..

up-right sitting posture, longest distance travelled without dismounting is 285.9kms..

 

my friends that rode Ducatis reaps 15km/L, 3000km EO and oil filter change, valve clearance at 12,000KM, slight forward posture..

 

I had the love for sports bikes too, my 2B and 2A first bikes are sportsbike (RS125/RVF)..

but i'm getting old.. like a upright posture after my DRZ.. needs a bike that can use as daily transport..

 

aiming for a 09 R1 at year 2015-6 as a pure track riding machine..

 

Good luck in your search..

[xbai87]

thanks alot for such a fantastic reply bro. really appreciate!

 

at this point, my thought process is as follows: the nakeds will have a more useable power bandwith and be a friendlier ride, but my love of sportsbikes far outweighs both. What i'm really sitting on the fence about is cost - it seems that at the end of the day, both bikes will require about the same amount .. i need to confirm this. the thorough comparison above is between a Jap Tourer and a Euro Sport, which really sits quite far apart. i'm not sure if the gap is as wide between a Jap Naked and Jap Sport ...

 

i once bought a little Toyota Yaris instead of a bigger CC car. i ended up putting my foot to the floor so often that my FC really suffered. hate to make that same mistake.

[Shockard]

1. Sportsbikes tend to have aggressive riding postures. It might give you backaches in the beginning but you get used to it and the ache magically goes away. Though, they are not very comfortable for slow speed riding, anywhere about 80km/h is pretty comfortable.

 

Not so sure about naked bikes, only had the chance to try the CB750 in the driving centre. All I can say is, the posture is very suitable for street riding, very comfortable. Tight manoeuvres like the pylon sladom tend to be easier. But I feel like sportsbikes has better stability under heavy braking. It's all up to personal preference.

 

 

1. Depends. 600s are pretty much the same as a Super 4. My R6 has FC of about 19km/l. Engine oil about the same as 2A, also 4 sparkplugs...etc. But you will tend to sayang your bike more and buy 'performance' parts for it.

 

3. As mentioned in the previous comment, not much difference. But 1000s are a whole different category. Unless you plan on going to Sepang frequently, not much difference I guess. Well 1000s give you more bragging rights though, I don't know of anything legal, 2 or 4 wheels that can beat a 1000cc sportsbike from 0 to top.

[xbai87]

1. Depends. 600s are pretty much the same as a Super 4. My R6 has FC of about 19km/l. Engine oil about the same as 2A, also 4 sparkplugs...etc. But you will tend to sayang your bike more and buy 'performance' parts for it.

 

while i'm still waiting for other bros to comment, i'm sitting so close to the edge of one side of the fence right now that i might fall off.

 

there's this other thing about getting a sportbike that has me holding back. i guess this really is a matter of luck though .. if i were to get a naked, i'd probably get it new since the price is not that phenomenally high. insurance is cheaper as well. if i were to get a sportbike ... i'd definitely have to get it second hand since yearly insurance will kill me before i even get to the higher capital cost. what this means is that i'm really exposing myself to the risk of getting a totally thrashed and abused bike. afterall, people don't buy sportbikes to travel at the speed of kupkias haha.

 

decisions decisions. life gets more complicated the older one gets. money drains way faster too. wish i cld go back to the time when i was satisfied with a 45c bus fare. OK THAT WAS FULL OF ****. i hated public transport then, and i hate it even more now (go queue for the MRT @ 8.30am, i dare u!)

[ronaldinho]

whichever ride you choose, do not look back because when you do, confirm plus chop plus double confirm, you'll regret the decision. So enjoy your chosen bike.

[fufu]

while i'm still waiting for other bros to comment, i'm sitting so close to the edge of one side of the fence right now that i might fall off.

 

there's this other thing about getting a sportbike that has me holding back. i guess this really is a matter of luck though .. if i were to get a naked, i'd probably get it new since the price is not that phenomenally high. insurance is cheaper as well. if i were to get a sportbike ... i'd definitely have to get it second hand since yearly insurance will kill me before i even get to the higher capital cost. what this means is that i'm really exposing myself to the risk of getting a totally thrashed and abused bike. afterall, people don't buy sportbikes to travel at the speed of kupkias haha.

 

decisions decisions. life gets more complicated the older one gets. money drains way faster too. wish i cld go back to the time when i was satisfied with a 45c bus fare. OK THAT WAS FULL OF ****. i hated public transport then, and i hate it even more now (go queue for the MRT @ 8.30am, i dare u!)

 

how hard is it to decide? do u even need advise? well maybe the only advise i think of is.. choose the bike that u love most.. be it naked or sports... get the 1 that makes u smile everytime u see ur bike like shes ur favourite mistress! hope that helps.

 

oh and if u are getting a class 2 bike.. dun even take f/c into consideration.. class 2 bikes are for fun whacking and heavy throttle.. not for u to be concern abt the f/c.

 

cheers

[papabread79]

how hard is it to decide? do u even need advise?

U oso seek advice mah when deciding for ur Duc.

[xXxRatedxXx]

U oso seek advice mah when deciding for ur Duc.

 

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[xbai87]

at this point in time .. even cdc's fazer puts a huge smile on my face. and that's really the problem. coming from a cl2b bike, an xj6 will put a smile on my face as quickly as an r6. the power difference is just .. you guys have been there very different from how some bros commented in the xj6 that when they moved from an r6 they initially regretted.

 

tbvh, i'd love to get the sickest, most insane sportsbike that's available. but if i can save some money in this turbulent economy, why not? especially on an ongoing basis. now i always thought that an xj6 would be ALOT cheaper than an r6, but as it turns out, may not be the case afterall.

 

and going back to my point about buying a used sportsbike .. any smile on my face will be wiped off if i have to bear the costly repairs of the past owner's indiscretions. ****, just the time wasted at the shop trying to get it back on the road will be a *****. more time riding!

[Jehuty]

U oso seek advice mah when deciding for ur Duc.

 

If wanna go for brand, Ducati lor, got the skills and wanna go for performance, not Ducati lor.

 

Sport bike got fairing, protect from wind if you ever ride it fast enough, street bikes and streetfighters no fairing, if you ride it fast enough can get blown off due to wind shear . Position also very forward and high footpegs, makes cornering feels nicer, more rooted.

Edited September 24, 2011 by Jehuty

[mild_slevin]

what really separate them... street fighter : engine configuration (*usually good low & mid range power), comfortable seat, zero fairing or semi faired, high rise handle bar...

 

currently i own a 900cc st-fighter... despite heavy in weight, yet very powerful in pick up... pretty comfortable ride IMO. Being "naked" is neat!

[fufu]

at this point in time .. even cdc's fazer puts a huge smile on my face. and that's really the problem. coming from a cl2b bike, an xj6 will put a smile on my face as quickly as an r6. the power difference is just .. you guys have been there very different from how some bros commented in the xj6 that when they moved from an r6 they initially regretted.

 

tbvh, i'd love to get the sickest, most insane sportsbike that's available. but if i can save some money in this turbulent economy, why not? especially on an ongoing basis. now i always thought that an xj6 would be ALOT cheaper than an r6, but as it turns out, may not be the case afterall.

 

and going back to my point about buying a used sportsbike .. any smile on my face will be wiped off if i have to bear the costly repairs of the past owner's indiscretions. ****, just the time wasted at the shop trying to get it back on the road will be a *****. more time riding!

 

yeah well first hand bike lets u have a peace of mind for a few years but u will be losing alot of money though. depends on ur budget and get wat u think u can afford

[xbai87]

bros please carry on sharing am particularly keen to hear if others have had the same experience as bro shockard. always thought an R6 would drink way more than an XJ6, and require more frequent/costly maintenance. very surprised to hear it's actually more like a super4!

 

also, if i'm looking to get a R6/CBR600/GSXR600/ZX6R, should i be going to a shop? my past 2 bikes were bought from private sellers. experience was overwhelmingly positive, but then again those are lower end 2b bikes with very little that can go wrong. also those bikes were bought relatively new. if i were to buy it used from a dealer can i expect any warranty on the vehicle?

[biting_point]

at this point in time .. even cdc's fazer puts a huge smile on my face. and that's really the problem. coming from a cl2b bike, an xj6 will put a smile on my face as quickly as an r6. the power difference is just .. you guys have been there very different from how some bros commented in the xj6 that when they moved from an r6 they initially regretted.

 

tbvh, i'd love to get the sickest, most insane sportsbike that's available. but if i can save some money in this turbulent economy, why not? especially on an ongoing basis. now i always thought that an xj6 would be ALOT cheaper than an r6, but as it turns out, may not be the case afterall.

 

and going back to my point about buying a used sportsbike .. any smile on my face will be wiped off if i have to bear the costly repairs of the past owner's indiscretions. ****, just the time wasted at the shop trying to get it back on the road will be a *****. more time riding!

 

well, if CDC's crappy FZ6 puts a smile on your face.. any Cl2 bike will do it better..

During my Cl2 pracs, i wish i could take my DRZ in..

Bike's valve clearance off, harden clutch cable, chain loose, internal gears sounded like they gonna break anytime during accel for e-brake..

 

buying a 2nd hand sports bike is like buying a box of chocolates (quoted Forrest Gump)..

some sellers can cook up with stories and receipts for proving their bike is worth the buy..

many repairs/maintenance can be seen as they are externals.. maintenance jobs such as overhaul, valve clearances are hidden from view..

many riders still do not understand the importance of valve clearances until the day the valve broke or their 600cc bike accelerate like a 125cc kup, worst throwing black/blue smoke..

 

2nd hand would be a wiser choice for many as sportsbike depreciate a lot..

my friend sold his 3yr old 05 R1 for half price then in 2009 with only minimal accessories like brake rotors, pump and steering damper, he had no aftermarket exos..

 

if you think getting from a pvt seller is more appropriate, do go ahead.. many riders here are friends of friends.. meet up with them and have some history on the bike..

I once knew a DRZ's history, from the first owner, to the second, to the third then the fourth..

 

ride more, worry less!!

[papabread79]

would-be owner of Class 2 doesnt normally ask these kinda qns.

 

but would-e owner of Class 2B would.

[xXxRatedxXx]

would-be owner of Class 2 doesnt normally ask these kinda qns.

 

but would-e owner of Class 2B would.

 

I want to ask what's the difference between FAZER1000 and CB1000R Why one bike so popular the other like no takers. Spoil ah?

[Throttle]

hi bros, i'm finally getting my cl2 and ready to upgrade. thing is, i'm at a total loss - there's just so many bikes available that i wouldn't mind having! hope the enlightened bros here can guide me to motoring nirvana by helping me to whittle down the type (i.e. sport or naked) of bikes i should be considering given the following.

 

from the outset i shd state that i love my sportbikes. i like the riding posture (i hate upright riding), and i like the way they look and perform.

 

(1) how upright are class 2 naked bikes (such as the Fazer 8, XJ 6)? is there really no forward-lean-and-legs-back at all?

 

now, i take very good care of my bikes - if they need to be serviced, they will be serviced even if it means i'm out of pocket more.

 

(2) is it really true that class 2 sportsbikes require more frequent and expensive maintenance? or are the servicing intervals/requirements the same?

 

(3) do class 2 sportsbikes drink alot more fuel than naked bikes? assuming that they are both stock without modification, and the riding style is the same, am i going to see a big difference in km/l? reading the many sports/naked bike threads, i am inclined to think that there is a very unsubstantial difference (say 3km/l) .. i think 3km/l is unsubstantial la .. at the pump it's only going to be $5-10 more?

 

please share ur experiences bros!

 

you dont sound ready for a Class2 bike , dude.

 

just ride what you hv and learn more before thinking about getting a class2 bike.

no point buying a bike which you regret.

[xbai87]

admittedly i don't know very much which is why i'm seeking the advice of those who've been there and done that. i'm sorry if u feel that i'm asking too much and looking ignorant from your high horse =.=" i have my own understanding of the matter, but unfortunately, the world doesn't revolve around me (maybe you .. but not me), so that's subject to change and persuasion.

 

class 2 will require me to pay almost $20k upfront, and maybe more, so again, i humbly beg for ur forgiveness for wanting to be very sure before i step beyond the point of no return.

 

everyone who takes class 2 lessons at CDC will know about the riding posture of the fazer 600 - is that the same as the fazer 800? the r6? the hayabusa? now i don't have friends riding every one of those bikes (again, maybe you do, but not me), so i just want to be sure about the riding posture.

 

with regards financials, bro shockard has very kindly shared that his r6 consumes only as much as a super 4, which comes as a surprise to me. so what's wrong with wanting to clarify and find out more?

Edited September 25, 2011 by xbai87

[papabread79]

I want to ask what's the difference between FAZER1000 and CB1000R Why one bike so popular the other like no takers. Spoil ah?

Fazer1000 FC is 17.4km/L.. but CB1000R FC is 17.3km/L.

 

That's y la Fazer1000 more popular!

 

you dont sound ready for a Class2 bike , dude.

 

just ride what you hv and learn more before thinking about getting a class2 bike.

no point buying a bike which you regret.

So mean one u...

[xbai87]

sorry for the sarcasm. as this thread shows, there are many bros around who are happy and willing to help, but it sure is annoying when know-it-alls are so quick to dismiss.

[papabread79]

sorry for the sarcasm. as this thread shows, there are many bros around who are happy and willing to help, but it sure is annoying when know-it-alls are so quick to dismiss.

182 views but 20 replies obviously mean many are not willing to help ur thread lor.

[xbai87]

ok didn't know that we were doing technical analysis based on stats. i was referring to the length and depth of responses by those who have replied here. btw i think 182/20 is still decent (take a look at some other threads).

 

edit: i guess there's very little else that needs to be said. i for one dislike being a keyboard warrior, and am a firm supporter of if u've got nothing good to say, then don't say it. and at this point, i don't. to those who have very kindly entertained my noob queries, thank you it was very much appreciated. it has definitely pushed me closer to the right decision.

Edited September 25, 2011 by xbai87

[FinG]

Just get a sport bike, dont look back and you will be happy.

[Throttle]

 

So mean one u...

 

Huh?

 

mine is good advice.

 

dont jump into something that one doesnt know.

 

what is so mean about it?