The Honda NC700 series

[Lexanez]

Hmm, an interesting bike but anybody knows when will the DCT model bike arrives?

 

Any reviews from the current owners?

Edited May 4, 2012 by Lexanez

[altya]

Apparently boon siew say that they won bring in e DCT models for now....

 

Hope future they will bring in if there is demand or parallel import liao lo

[Lexanez]

Mmm, I just asked Mr Lee from Looi's Motors. He mentioned about the stock for the DCT model coming in on June. 19K OTR was his quote, I'm skeptical.

[LXY]

I saw nc700x an integra at ubi asp. They told me $17000 everything except for insurance. Interest rate 5%.

[RT]

I saw nc700x an integra at ubi asp. They told me $17000 everything except for insurance. Interest rate 5%.

 

Hi, Is this model with or without ABS?

[LXY]

there is ABS and non ABS for u to choose.

For NC700x come with dual purpose which mean you can select manual, semi manual and fully automatic.

manial is common riding style, clutch in and shift gear.

semi manual which u do not need to clutch in, just tap the + or - button for shifting gears.

fully automatic, just throttle and go.

 

NC700sac is street bike with ABS. their FC is 27.9km/litre as stated in the advert. low CG and seat. fuel tank (14.1Litres) is underneath the seat. parallel 2 cylinder SOHC 8 valves. max torque 60Nm, max o/p power 35kW.

 

oversea forum claim that power is not enough when overtaking but cornering is descent as no need to downgear due to high torque.

 

I have compared the price between honda nc700series and yamaha Fz8/1, and honda is afew thousands cheaper while yamaha have better power and compression ratio.

[stsoh]

experienced bikers will be truly disappointed with 48hp 670cc engine.

 

general knowledge from experienced bikers to newbies, to know wat is a good bike:

low fuel consumption means under power and overheated engine is not a good bike.

 

27.9 km/l run under 'D' mode under 50kph, no one ride tat way in real life. get real.

 

ktm690sm single piston engine produce 67hp.

sv650 v-twin engine produce 72hp.

sport bikes il4 engine like gsxr600, cbr600rr, zxr636 all produce 100hp and all has lesser cc than nc700.

gsr750 produce 90hp, has 80cc more, almost double nc700 output.

nc700 has 670cc parallel twin engine produce 48hp = to 500cc engine can produce.

nc700 has 6hp more than honda super4, wun u be disappointed?

 

very lean fuel setting, engine temperature will gets very hot.

the more lean the more hotter engine will get.

very extreme lean like this case, engine combustion will get very extreme hot.

no wonder it is so so much under power.

disappointed with honda to do this sort of thing.

Edited May 28, 2012 by stsoh

[newblood]

experienced bikers will be truly disappointed with 48hp 670cc engine.

 

general knowledge from experienced bikers to newbies, to know wat is a good bike:

low fuel consumption means under power and overheated engine is not a good bike.

 

27.9 km/l run under 'D' mode under 50kph, no one ride tat way in real life. get real.

 

ktm690sm single piston engine produce 67hp.

sv650 v-twin engine produce 72hp.

sport bikes il4 engine like gsxr600, cbr600rr, zxr636 all produce 100hp and all has lesser cc than nc700.

gsr750 produce 90hp, has 80cc more, almost double nc700 output.

nc700 has 670cc parallel twin engine produce 48hp = to 500cc engine can produce.

nc700 has 6hp more than honda super4, wun u be disappointed?

 

very lean fuel setting, engine temperature will gets very hot.

the more lean the more hotter engine will get.

very extreme lean like this case, engine combustion will get very extreme hot.

no wonder it is so so much under power.

disappointed with honda to do this sort of thing.

 

hmmph.. i think i would have to disagree with some points u made..

 

for a 14.1L bike which can go 420km and more eventhough if u go throttle crazy is a wonderful acheivement for such parralel twin engine.

 

engine is hot.. nah i dont think so.. my fazer 600s2 engine is even hooter than this NC bike..

 

however this bike lose at its top end, bt for those rider who tend to tone down a lil might actually find that u dont need to go further than 180 for touring.

Rode this bike 160 with superb handling can go even more bt save it for NSH..

 

for power wise.. it cant go futher than 195km/h according to international forum.. bt the bike handling from 160-180 is remarkably better than my fazer6 and super 4spec 2..

 

swerving in out of traffic is easier compared to my super4 and fazer 6 s2..

theres only 1 front disc brake and its good enough for sharp braking..

 

maintanace wise is a lil cheaper compared to the bigger bikes..

 

non the less.. everyone is entitled to their own opinion..

[stsoh]

might as well ride a s4.

fz6 produce 76hp, fz6 s2 produce 98hp and fz8 produce 104hp if nc700 can produce 90hp it will be selling like a hot cake.

[Lexanez]

might as well ride a s4.

fz6 produce 76hp, fz6 s2 produce 98hp and fz8 produce 104hp if nc700 can produce 90hp it will be selling like a hot cake.

 

Nah, you should try it. Go for a test ride.

 

These figures are all based on the paper. Moreover, this bike's rev limit is only at 6.5rpm. Things are totally different here.

[mechwira]

do bike shops really let you go for test ride? Which ones do?

 

I referring to class 2 bikes including this NC700 and others. I thinking of letting go my current ride and trying non-sports models, but i need to be absolutely sure i wont be very disappointed with either the handling or power of whatever non-sports model i might purchase in place of my current 600cc sports. The NC700 is in my radar, the price quoted here sounds reasonable but i very surprised with the listed power figures. never noticed that before.

[Chemol]

experienced bikers will be truly disappointed with 48hp 670cc engine.

 

general knowledge from experienced bikers to newbies, to know wat is a good bike:

low fuel consumption means under power and overheated engine is not a good bike.

 

27.9 km/l run under 'D' mode under 50kph, no one ride tat way in real life. get real.

 

ktm690sm single piston engine produce 67hp.

sv650 v-twin engine produce 72hp.

sport bikes il4 engine like gsxr600, cbr600rr, zxr636 all produce 100hp and all has lesser cc than nc700.

gsr750 produce 90hp, has 80cc more, almost double nc700 output.

nc700 has 670cc parallel twin engine produce 48hp = to 500cc engine can produce.

nc700 has 6hp more than honda super4, wun u be disappointed?

 

very lean fuel setting, engine temperature will gets very hot.

the more lean the more hotter engine will get.

very extreme lean like this case, engine combustion will get very extreme hot.

no wonder it is so so much under power.

disappointed with honda to do this sort of thing.

 

1. Engine is adapted from the Jazz. It revs low like a car, and has a flat torque/low HP power curve. That's the primary reason for the fuel efficiency. Mixture is not overlean as suggested.

 

2. 25-28 km/l is real-world urban/freeway average. Not 50kph constant.

 

3. Engine isn't tuned for power. The bikes are not for speed thrillers. Rather a practical and versatile fuel-sipping urban tourer.

 

Honda has created a unique machine. I'd say the NC700 is the most imaginative machine for 2012.

[stsoh]

anyway, the real plus is their DCT but flat power n low rev engine totally r minuses.

direct comparison p-twin 2 p-twin will be 2012 kawasaki er-6n which by the way produce 72hp (24hp more n 20cc less).

[Lexanez]

do bike shops really let you go for test ride? Which ones do?

 

I referring to class 2 bikes including this NC700 and others. I thinking of letting go my current ride and trying non-sports models, but i need to be absolutely sure i wont be very disappointed with either the handling or power of whatever non-sports model i might purchase in place of my current 600cc sports. The NC700 is in my radar, the price quoted here sounds reasonable but i very surprised with the listed power figures. never noticed that before.

 

Hmm, for new bikes, guess other than PML, none allows you to go for a test ride.

 

Though, if you got pals with NC700X, you could let them pillion ya around.

 

I am too, seriously interested in the NC700X, will grab one when stock for the DCT model is confirmed.

 

anyway, the real plus is their DCT but flat power n low rev engine totally r minuses.

direct comparison p-twin 2 p-twin will be 2012 kawasaki er-6n which by the way produce 72hp (24hp more n 20cc less).

 

Still harping bout hp figures huh?

 

A video bout the Integra DCT.

 

It's acceleration is bout 6-7sec from 0-100kmh. Not bad, I would say.

 

 

 

Nc700X indicated top speed.

 

 

Storage space on the NC700X

 

[stsoh]

yeah, hp is wat i believe in.

advert saving fuel technology is gimmick to fool unwary gullible consumers.

fact is tat there is no free energy invented yet.

i was watch sbk races n strike my mind why wasnt dct use in racing since dct proven theres no lacking in transmission which really needed in racing.

another dct on honda crosstourer (123hp) which also detuned in hp, compare to vfr (166hp) tat uses the same engine.

[Chemol]

yeah, hp is wat i believe in.

advert saving fuel technology is gimmick to fool unwary gullible consumers.

fact is tat there is no free energy invented yet.

i was watch sbk races n strike my mind why wasnt dct use in racing since dct proven theres no lacking in transmission which really needed in racing.

another dct on honda crosstourer (123hp) which also detuned in hp, compare to vfr (166hp) tat uses the same engine.

 

Drive a Jazz or VW Jetta/Golf for a few tanks and compare the fuel use with a similar capacity car from 10 years ago. You'll be pleasantly surprised.

 

It is not free energy. Just greater efficiency.

 

There are plenty of choices when it comes to high HP and acceleration. The NC700 just isn't one.

[Lexanez]

Well, things are changing here. 2012 is a great year indeed, many new models from various manufacturers are show casing their latest models.

 

The NC700 and its variants have created a huge buzz among the motorcycling community and the reviews are very different, with people saying that it will be a failure and others saying that it will be a success that could rival what the Fireblade CBR600 has done when it was first showcased.

 

Honda designed this bike for real life purposes where most people would't be too bothered about HP figures and paper statistics. Most of its torque and power lies within usable range, 160km/h and below, thus making it a pretty fun bike to run around. At 62Nm @ 4,750rpm, this is at a very usable and good torque range.

 

Besides, most riders would keep to the legal speed limits or a little higher, this bike is designed to be usable, fun and fuel economic but not powerful.

 

28km/h - 30km/l is what being reported as actual gas mileage obtained by NC700 riders, this makes it very attractive for the everyday rider to ease spending on gas. Also, given that the recommended mileage for servicing is at 4000km after the initial servicing of 800km, it makes the bike a rather cheap to maintain option.

 

So why not? Rather than looking purely at HP figures and deciding that the bike is useless, why not look at how it performs? It is a great commuter, given it's admirable torque at a modest 51 HP but able to hit a top of 190km/h which is more than what most people can afford to travel at. This bike is not for track junkies but for the everyday rider.

[stsoh]

another ting tat strike my mind, can it be dual clutch (dct) be weaker than single clutch?

is it the reason to detune engine power?

[Lexanez]

another ting tat strike my mind, can it be dual clutch (dct) be weaker than single clutch?

is it the reason to detune engine power?

 

You mean? The DCT model is slightly more powerful than the basic model.

[stsoh]

huh???? do u meant riding preference? not in terms of engine horsepower.

why cant honda built it with a standard 70hp?? since its a 670cc engine.

why have it detuned to 48....sorry 35kw is 46.66hp.

dct can be weaker than single clutch since it is divided into two as compared to one.

Edited May 29, 2012 by stsoh

[LXY]

Well, things are changing here. 2012 is a great year indeed, many new models from various manufacturers are show casing their latest models.

 

The NC700 and its variants have created a huge buzz among the motorcycling community and the reviews are very different, with people saying that it will be a failure and others saying that it will be a success that could rival what the Fireblade CBR600 has done when it was first showcased.

 

Honda designed this bike for real life purposes where most people would't be too bothered about HP figures and paper statistics. Most of its torque and power lies within usable range, 160km/h and below, thus making it a pretty fun bike to run around. At 62Nm @ 4,750rpm, this is at a very usable and good torque range.

 

Besides, most riders would keep to the legal speed limits or a little higher, this bike is designed to be usable, fun and fuel economic but not powerful.

 

28km/h - 30km/l is what being reported as actual gas mileage obtained by NC700 riders, this makes it very attractive for the everyday rider to ease spending on gas. Also, given that the recommended mileage for servicing is at 4000km after the initial servicing of 800km, it makes the bike a rather cheap to maintain option.

 

So why not? Rather than looking purely at HP figures and deciding that the bike is useless, why not look at how it performs? It is a great commuter, given it's admirable torque at a modest 51 HP but able to hit a top of 190km/h which is more than what most people can afford to travel at. This bike is not for track junkies but for the everyday rider.

well-said!! in spore, everything is increasing like COE, petrol, GST and etc.

no point buying a bike that is inefficiency in fuel and have great power in road as speeding will easily cause death or fine and demerit points.

this bike will be surely be my first choice. be kind to ur pocket and other road user.

[ludacris10]

If only it didnt look like a duck...

[Chemol]

another ting tat strike my mind, can it be dual clutch (dct) be weaker than single clutch?

is it the reason to detune engine power?

 

No. The VFR and Crosstourer both sport DCT options. Same engine, but detuned on the Crosstourer. DCT originated from cars, a more demanding application.

[stsoh]

not really sure about it, vfr figure is from non-dct.

chances is very high, vfr with dct will be the same as crosstourer.

honda wont do extras in manufacturing processes.

anyway defeat the purpose of riding a class2 bike if honda is going to cut down efficiencies just to give comfortable n save fuel.

s4 can do better, very easy to cut down hp but it damn difficult to squeeze more hp.

it takes so many decades to improve efficiency n honda is taking the easy way out.

[andrei]

another ting tat strike my mind, can it be dual clutch (dct) be weaker than single clutch?

is it the reason to detune engine power?

 

Detuned engines are usually not much "weaker", i.e. they usually have almost as much torque as original engines.

They are significantly less powerful because torque, or, in your terms, "strength" of the engine, is moved into lower range.