WHAT MADE A GOOD RIDING BOOTS?

[Kira Yamato]

WHICH BRANDS OF RIDING BOOTS IS WORTH OF UR $$$

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Kings... test before with a car wheel going over my toes. No injury at all.

[w1n9]

daytona is good if not the best. what i like about this boots is the upper guards can be unzip and double as hiking boots... one of the best boots i have own, best for bike touring with maximum protection and can use for casual wear too :sweat:

[tarzan666]

King boots is cheap but its not waterproof!!

[OMD]

Hi,

 

Read in some British bike mag that it is not recommended to ride using a safety boots (with steel toe). Reason is, in the event of an accident, the steel toe cap acts like a guillotine, it can sever the toes.

 

Just thought you guys should know.

 

From,

OMD

[sound_machine]

Originally posted by OMD@Sep 1 2004, 02:18 PM

Hi,

 

Read in some British bike mag that it is not recommended to ride using a safety boots (with steel toe). Reason is, in the event of an accident, the steel toe cap acts like a guillotine, it can sever the toes.

 

Just thought you guys should know.

 

From,

OMD

ouch! damm..

[Kira Yamato]

Originally posted by Easyrider_Bandit@Sep 1 2004, 01:21 AM

Kings... test before with a car wheel going over my toes. No injury at all.

but it only last for 3mth....

[hyrieus]

Yo Guys,

 

I really like the Army Boot, where could I get that? I am not in the army by any means.

 

[Guest RG]

Originally posted by hyrieus@Sep 2 2004, 11:00 PM

Yo Guys,

 

I really like the Army Boot, where could I get that? I am not in the army by any means.

 

Beach Road aka Army Market.

I think it cost about $120, yeah abit steep, well it's Gortex.

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Originally posted by OMD@Sep 1 2004, 02:18 PM

Hi,

 

Read in some British bike mag that it is not recommended to ride using a safety boots (with steel toe). Reason is, in the event of an accident, the steel toe cap acts like a guillotine, it can sever the toes.

 

Just thought you guys should know.

 

From,

OMD

This is a bit like the arguement that wearing full face is dangerous because when passers-bytake off your helmet after an accident, it might damage your neck... The point of it all is of course the helmet is there to protect from the BIGGER hit to your head in the first place---the accident. Safety gear sometimes protect against the big damage but have to sacrifice small damage.

 

Steel caps acting as a guillotine is actually a SAFETY FEATURE, which is well known in construction sites; it was purposely contstructed this way. If there is enough force to bend the steel cap so much that it is able to bend the steel cap and still have enough force to cut through your toes, then be grateful that the toes are cut off. Because then at least then the surgeon can re-attach them. If you were wearing non-steel cap shoes and met with the same accident, with that same kind of foce, you will only have mince meat at the end of your foot... so which do you want? severed toes or mince meat? The British biker magazine know a lot about bikes, but nuts about boots (I was from construction line).

 

As for King's shoes not lasting, dunno if you are using the right King's boot BTW, mine 2 years liao still good... did you get the top of the range one? Honestly, if you treat them like riding boots (i.e. wear only when riding), I don't see how they can possibly wear out in a few months. In fact I would say its almost impossible. If use them for daily use then of course you cannot compare vs Oxtar... unless you want to wear your Oxtar to the office, to hawker centre etc.

 

In any case, $55 a pair for the Kings boots is value for money.

[hyrieus]

Originally posted by RG@Sep 2 2004, 11:27 PM

Beach Road aka Army Market.

I think it cost about $120, yeah abit steep, well it's Gortex.

Thanks, bro. Any addresses?

[Guest RG]

Originally posted by hyrieus@Sep 3 2004, 01:10 AM

Thanks, bro. Any addresses?

If u do not know where the 'Army Market' is, use http://www.streetdirectory.com.sg n do a building search on 'Kampong Glam Community Centre' or 'Golden Mile Tower', there is a Food Centre(FC) beside the CC, the army market is on the 3rd level of the Food Centre.

 

There r a few shops that sell the Gortex boots. Just take a slow walk and look around.

[OMD]

Originally posted by Easyrider_Bandit@Sep 2 2004, 11:51 PM

Steel caps acting as a guillotine is actually a SAFETY FEATURE, which is well known in construction sites; it was purposely contstructed this way. If there is enough force to bend the steel cap so much that it is able to bend the steel cap and still have enough force to cut through your toes, then be grateful that the toes are cut off. Because then at least then the surgeon can re-attach them. If you were wearing non-steel cap shoes and met with the same accident, with that same kind of foce, you will only have mince meat at the end of your foot... so which do you want? severed toes or mince meat? The British biker magazine know a lot about bikes, but nuts about boots (I was from construction line).

 

Hiya Easyrider_Bandit,

 

Would like to point out, the steel toe caps in safety shoes are a safety measures, no doubt about it. It is there for a reason and the reason being to protect the users toes from crushing injuries and impact injuries.

 

When I mentioned about the guillotine effect, I was referring to the fact that when a rider were to have a crash, he would be tumbling all over the place and his arms and legs and whatever else would be flex beyond the normal range of motion. When the foot is flex beyond the normal range in a steel toe boots, the steel toe caps acts like a cutter and cuts into the feet. However, if there is no steel toe protection (as in riding boots), the flexing motion would only result in a bad bruise, at most.

 

I hope I have made myself clear about this. Point noted about you being in the construction industry. BTW, I am in the HSE business, Health, Safety and Environment.

 

From,

OMD

[Easyrider_Bandit]

Originally posted by OMD@Sep 3 2004, 12:14 PM

Hiya Easyrider_Bandit,

 

Would like to point out, the steel toe caps in safety shoes are a safety measures, no doubt about it. It is there for a reason and the reason being to protect the users toes from crushing injuries and impact injuries.

 

When I mentioned about the guillotine effect, I was referring to the fact that when a rider were to have a crash, he would be tumbling all over the place and his arms and legs and whatever else would be flex beyond the normal range of motion. When the foot is flex beyond the normal range in a steel toe boots, the steel toe caps acts like a cutter and cuts into the feet. However, if there is no steel toe protection (as in riding boots), the flexing motion would only result in a bad bruise, at most.

 

I hope I have made myself clear about this. Point noted about you being in the construction industry. BTW, I am in the HSE business, Health, Safety and Environment.

 

From,

OMD

Fair enough, I'll agree with that. You and I are talking about different types of accidents. I was talking about direct force on the front or top of the boot.

 

However, that situation you described would be a very rare occurance. In effect, the cap would have to be rotated 90 degrees upwards, and then the force acting on the cap would have to go through a more than 90 degree change in vector. Pretty unique and I would say with some confidence, unlikely; it would take a chain reaction of motions to cause that.

 

Also, this would hardly result in just a "bruise". As you said, the foot is already forced beyond its range of motions. Now if this "force" is enough to crush a steel cap, then you're talking torn ligaments, cartiledge and probably bone injury, since none of the above are stronger than steel. In addition, the injury may not be localised since is a force that acts on the entire foot.

 

Since you are a safety professional, I think you also realise that ANY injury is possible, but its those which are statistically significant that important. For every case of "severed toes" there would many many more where a steel cap has saved toes. I, for one, would like to examine these statistics, assuming that they do exist beyond anecdotal accounts, before forming an opinion.

[OMD]

Originally posted by Easyrider_Bandit@Sep 3 2004, 02:21 PM

Fair enough, I'll agree with that. You and I are talking about different types of accidents. I was talking about direct force on the front or top of the boot.

 

However, that situation you described would be a very rare occurance. In effect, the cap would have to be rotated 90 degrees upwards, and then the force acting on the cap would have to go through a more than 90 degree change in vector. Pretty unique and I would say with some confidence, unlikely; it would take a chain reaction of motions to cause that.

 

Also, this would hardly result in just a "bruise". As you said, the foot is already forced beyond its range of motions. Now if this "force" is enough to crush a steel cap, then you're talking torn ligaments, cartiledge and probably bone injury, since none of the above are stronger than steel. In addition, the injury may not be localised since is a force that acts on the entire foot.

 

Since you are a safety professional, I think you also realise that ANY injury is possible, but its those which are statistically significant that important. For every case of "severed toes" there would many many more where a steel cap has saved toes. I, for one, would like to examine these statistics, assuming that they do exist beyond anecdotal accounts, before forming an opinion.

Hiya Easyrider_Bandit,

 

Fully agree with you on the numbers of feet that has been saved with the use of steel toed boots. As mentioned by you, statistics speaks louder than just hearsays.

 

Please do not get the impression that I was against your views/opinions, I was merely explaining how the guillotine effect comes about in the event of a bike crash.

 

I can safely say that we are both on the same side when it comes to the safety aspect of using steel toed boots in various industries, but when it comes to riding, it is a totally different "environment" with additional/other risk factors.

 

Thanx.

 

From,

OMD

[Easyrider_Bandit]

There is no difference so great that reasonable men with clear words cannot bridge :-)

 

Forgot who said this.

 

We are definitely on the same side here.

[Kira Yamato]

Originally posted by OMD@Sep 3 2004, 02:32 PM

Hiya Easyrider_Bandit,

 

Fully agree with you on the numbers of feet that has been saved with the use of steel toed boots. As mentioned by you, statistics speaks louder than just hearsays.

 

Please do not get the impression that I was against your views/opinions, I was merely explaining how the guillotine effect comes about in the event of a bike crash.

 

I can safely say that we are both on the same side when it comes to the safety aspect of using steel toed boots in various industries, but when it comes to riding, it is a totally different "environment" with additional/other risk factors.

 

Thanx.

 

From,

OMD

the things is safety boots is so hard

u cant get the feel of ur toes

in motorcycle riding, feel of gear shift

n the control of foot rest is very important.

but any way is up to the rider......

[Easyrider_Bandit]

This depends on your riding style. Some people shift with toes other do not. Yes, it still depends on the rider.. But certainly there is more feeling than say, with the top end alpinestar boots (which are bult like tanks).

 

I don't shift with my toes at all. The shifting the done with the part of the foot just behind the toes, so there is no cap at all. No worse than army boot or riding boot.

[hyrieus]

Originally posted by RG@Sep 3 2004, 11:48 AM

If u do not know where the 'Army Market' is, use http://www.streetdirectory.com.sg n do a building search on 'Kampong Glam Community Centre' or 'Golden Mile Tower', there is a Food Centre(FC) beside the CC, the army market is on the 3rd level of the Food Centre.

 

There r a few shops that sell the Gortex boots. Just take a slow walk and look around.

Thanks, bro...

[DGray]

In certain bike mags, SIDI is most recommended but still i bought an ALPINESTARS SMX-3. Loooooveee them though...

[Tut Tut]

I jus love SAF goretex, waterproof in heavy rain, oil resistant soles which is good when at petrol kiosk where the floor is always oily.

[Guest koma]

Originally posted by SaNibOy@Sep 8 2004, 09:31 PM

In certain bike mags, SIDI is most recommended but still i bought an ALPINESTARS SMX-3. Loooooveee them though...

agreeded best if get gore-tex version like mine then can go take for touring 2

[w1n9]

anyone interested in the good and cheap[army] gortex boots, click here: good & cheap gortex boots. :sweat:

[w1n9]

anyone interested in the good and cheap[army] gortex boots, click here: good & cheap gortex boots. :sweat:

[Hayabusa Sniper]

So far I've try on 3 boots as follow:

 

Harley Davidson Boots : very lasting, good heat resistant and easy to slip on but not water proof.

 

Daytona gortex: Waterproof and good for touring but a bit bulky on the toe area when swifting gear.

 

Sidi Evo Rain boots: Slick and very fitting, waterproof and good for touring and track.

 

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