2B at BBDC or CDC?

[shiba2b]

4 minutes ago, adesmond2 said:

nice intro on the racing lines/apex (I dun really understand these terms until you intro) .. but I hope it wun stress her too much.. cuz the lane itself is already pretty small.. so easier will be change to gear 2 asap and maintain 1-5% of the throttle to let the bike keep on moving..

I remember CDC got teach one trick for CL2 riders.. change to gear 2, dun throttle dun clutch in dun brake = pass already.. (Since I'm 2A so the class is combined with CL2 riders)..  

u pro liao.. should aim for late apex racing line 

yes the lane is pretty narrow compared to normal road but actually still got lots of room for proper positioning, which helps us take corner. The BBDC instructors had also talking about positioning on the outside for the corner but didn't mention the technical term for it. i'm not sure my fellow trainees would have understood the meaning of "outside" without a demonstration  

[adesmond2]

1 minute ago, shiba2b said:

u pro liao.. should aim for late apex racing line 

yes the lane is pretty narrow compared to normal road but actually still got lots of room for proper positioning, which helps us take corner. The BBDC instructors had also talking about positioning on the outside for the corner but didn't mention the technical term for it. i'm not sure my fellow trainees would have understood the meaning of "outside" without a demonstration  

no la.. I dun see apex lines.. I see "safest line".. from the vehicles.. haha.. 

Cornering also see road condition (potholes) more rather then "fastest" line.. I preferred safety over fast nowadays.. (old liao ) If got truck infant, just stay behind until safe to overtake.. dun wan to later the truck cannot see me and change lane too fast.. 

Maybe for SSDC or BBDC.. CDC de figure 8 pretty small.. about in-between 1/3 to 1/4 of a normal lane.. thus cannot really see apex line.. 

[Nakuru]

1 hour ago, Janeoh said:

At CDC the lesson numbering system is slightly different. But basically I'm now stuck at the circuit internal evaluation I also thought maybe just stop but a friend said actually after this it gets better only 3 lessons more. You're more than half done... 

anyway... take it easy!

Ya dun give up.. u already done all circuit.. pass the circuit test then left road lesson only.. road ezpz..

1 hour ago, adesmond2 said:

yeah.. numbers is to gain experiences.. so more experience you gain in school = lesser fault in real life.. = safer..

CDC = I also dunno how the numbering works.. back in my days 2B = 7 lessons only.. no high way familiarisation.. a lot of things also dun have.. imagine I first time go expressway - 50 on the left side of the road..

Dunno.. can't recall if it's me or someone else (maybe @Nakuru?)..  Old man with poor memories.. haha...

Now every sch stanardise so its all 8 lesaona now. But cdc n if i not wrong bbdc will spread out the circuit course while ssdc squeeze all into 3. They used to be only 7 lessons too till end of last year.

Dun think its me ba..? Also cant remember.. haha

[noobie2k22]

10 hours ago, Nakuru said:

Ex ssdc student here~  

U have to get over with your fear already.. last hurdle b4 u can take ur circuit test.. just rmb keep the throttle open.. juz open abit to maintain in gear 2 can already.. no scare

Haha yeah really must adopt the YOLO stance and just throttle without closing it! much willpower to do so 

if it’s too fast i’ll just tap rear brake lightly during curves is okay right?

 

thanks again!!

[apogeeXX]

1 minute ago, noobie2k22 said:

Haha yeah really must adopt the YOLO stance and just throttle without closing it! much willpower to do so 

if it’s too fast i’ll just tap rear brake lightly during curves is okay right?

 

thanks again!!

This is where it comes in ...

"Don't think, just do ... "

[noobie2k22]

4 hours ago, adesmond2 said:

haha.. indeed. just go slightly faster.. haha..

Long trousers is a must.. haha...

 

Yup yup.. just go gear 2 asap and dun brake = pass..

standard.. I also wear shorts 99%..

 

dun need to back.. but just maintain..  

in school is to learn and fall.. out of school, we cannot afford to fall.. too pain to flesh and pocket..

wun la.. ask for more tips.. ask instructors to provide you with a 1-1 training (just on figure 8).. haha..

usually ladies they will be more "anything"...

 

haha.. nice quote.. 

 

 

 

dun worry.. just keep us updated on the process. we will give you motivation..

just keep going..  

 

dun clutch in and free play.. we only clutch in when stopping or change gear.. 

for me.. figure 8 = ride in faster change to gear 2.. maintain min throttle to avoid engine die.. reach 2nd circle coming to outside, clutch in gear 1, brake stop.  *sound may but I know not..  especially bigger class = shorter time frame and heavier.. (I gotten my 2A last year) 

still considering 2 and my younger brother who gotten his 2A later then mine already pass his class 2..

wahhaha thanks a lot, hope to update you guys with good news next week! there will be 1-1 training ah? didn’t know! but yes being a lady does help cause i heard from other students who are serial repeaters like me being able to pass even if their timings didn’t meet should had went for that class hahah!

 

but thanks a lot again, appreciate your kind pep up talks! 

[noobie2k22]

4 hours ago, Janeoh said:

I did like 6 don't worry about it

At CDC the lesson numbering system is slightly different. But basically I'm now stuck at the circuit internal evaluation I also thought maybe just stop but a friend said actually after this it gets better only 3 lessons more. You're more than half done... 

anyway... take it easy!

You were the one, right! To give that advice

Hahahah 6 is considered good but kudos to you for being at circuit internal evaluation!! Yeah likewise to you, let’s not give up and try our best, especially for you since you’re halfway mark through!! 

I hope i can proceed to my lesson 4 (familiarisation of the circuit test route) soon as well, but fingers crossed 

[adesmond2]

31 minutes ago, noobie2k22 said:

Haha yeah really must adopt the YOLO stance and just throttle without closing it! much willpower to do so 

if it’s too fast i’ll just tap rear brake lightly during curves is okay right?

 

thanks again!!

Viewing angle helps... dun see the kerb.. head turn and see your destination and you will auto "move" towards that direction even you could be moving faster then your comfortable speed.. Trust me.. this helps you in real life scenarios..

I almost got into several serious accident when I was P plate and I suddenly recall this technique and it truly save my life.. (Could not judge my pick up and braking distance during the first year) went out and full throttle.. 2 stroke is a lot a lot faster..  can hit 180 (in Malaysia highway when I was going Thailand)

 

20 minutes ago, noobie2k22 said:

wahhaha thanks a lot, hope to update you guys with good news next week! there will be 1-1 training ah? didn’t know! but yes being a lady does help cause i heard from other students who are serial repeaters like me being able to pass even if their timings didn’t meet should had went for that class hahah!

 

but thanks a lot again, appreciate your kind pep up talks! 

not really 1-1 la.. but they will help you with 1 station that you fail over 3 times.. once you come for 4 or 5th time.. you can ask, instructor, can you help me and give more tip on how to pass.. I already failed 6 times (giving that pity look with teary eyes).. 100% pass.. hahahaha

 

 

[noobie2k22]

4 hours ago, shiba2b said:

when start in gear 1, accelerate quickly and shift to gear 2 and prepare to turn in

keep throttle open all the time after shift to gear 2, just 1%-5% is sufficient. Only release throttle when about to exit. 

speed - needs to be at a slightly scary speed if you are not able to consistently go below 11s. After a while, you will get used to the required speed. Or ask an instructor to pillion you to let you have the feel of the speed and lean.

light application of rear brake if needed to slow down at exit. Release brake before turning.

exit line - use what is called the "racing line". Go from outside of the lane to inside at the apex, to the outside again. Refer to this pic of how to take a normal right hand corner. Flip for left hand turn.

 

i'm not familiar with SSDC layout but the BBDC layout has a hairpin (or u-turn) at the exit. So the "racing line" will be something like this for a right hander.

while the bike lane in the fig of 8 course isn't very wide, positioning the bike at the outside before turning in makes a difference in the speed you can take the corner. If you have to come to a stop at the exit to allow for traffic, then stop in the middle of the lane, not the inside edge. 

BTW the racing line is also applicable in crank course. For road riding, the instructors probably will want you to stay in the middle of the lane.

hope this is not too confusing. Let me know if more clarification is needed.

good luck and don't stress too much. Sometimes we just need more practice to get it right. Better to do it and learn in circuit than out on the road. 

wow thanks so much, super insightful and it’s the first time i’ve heard of racing line! tbh when i do it i can’t really multitask that much such as angling the motor in which position of the lane when i’m really nervous but i do understand the reasoning you’ve provided behind the racing line in order to get a good and smooth turn! shall ss this wahahah thanks alot!

 

will try my best next week to constant throttle and be at a speed i’m not comfortable at yet safe~

[noobie2k22]

thanks again to all the kind souls for your advices!! hope to give a good news next week! 

[shiba2b]

1 hour ago, adesmond2 said:

Viewing angle helps... dun see the kerb.. head turn and see your destination and you will auto "move" towards that direction even you could be moving faster then your comfortable speed.. Trust me.. this helps you in real life scenarios..

 

yes - look at the line you want to take, not at the obstacle you want to avoid. 

people often say "where you look is where you go".

applies to fig of 8 too. Look at middle of lane n the curvature, not at the two kerbs on either side. 

[adesmond2]

49 minutes ago, shiba2b said:

yes - look at the line you want to take, not at the obstacle you want to avoid. 

people often say "where you look is where you go".

applies to fig of 8 too. Look at middle of lane n the curvature, not at the two kerbs on either side. 

yup yup... look where you wan to go.

focus on the direction you wan to move towards, ignore all impossibilities.. and impossibilities will become possible.. 

 

one of my many "almost accident"

I was riding about 70-80km, and suddenly I forgotten there's a downslope with 45 degree turn.. cuz chasing others.. I brake and I know not in time already.. but this technique suddenly appear in my mind, turn and look where you wan to go, your bike will follow and it will go.. lean or whatever to make it happen.. It just happen so fast that my heart was racing non stop.. and I'm alive.. 

if I didn't mange to make that turn, I would have flip down a hill.. 90% GG.. 

[apogeeXX]

And that is also the reason not to keep staring at an accident scene when passing by, because you will tend to veer towards where u were looking and possibly get yourself into your own accident.

So ....

Stop staring at the kerb

Or you will kiss it one day

[Janeoh]

22 hours ago, Nakuru said:

Ya dun give up.. u already done all circuit.. pass the circuit test then left road lesson only.. road ezpz..

I had another bad fall yesterday immediate failure for IE (lesson 5). Haven't fallen at figure of 8 in so long... oh well. Also didn't do the plank.  

anyway, kenna 3rd degree burn/full thickness skin burn... my Dr friend (and first aid certified child ) told me I need to go get professional medical attention... dr friend said I need skin graft. no time for that since I'll be out of town in a few days until end of the year.

said child thinks I should stop riding

I completed the evaluation anyway... 4 pts. The instructor was like "only 4 points but 2 immediate failure. Your first time right? Now u know what to do. Try again."

[shiba2b]

5 hours ago, Janeoh said:

I had another bad fall yesterday immediate failure for IE (lesson 5). Haven't fallen at figure of 8 in so long... oh well. Also didn't do the plank.  

anyway, kenna 3rd degree burn/full thickness skin burn... my Dr friend (and first aid certified child ) told me I need to go get professional medical attention... dr friend said I need skin graft. no time for that since I'll be out of town in a few days until end of the year.

said child thinks I should stop riding

I completed the evaluation anyway... 4 pts. The instructor was like "only 4 points but 2 immediate failure. Your first time right? Now u know what to do. Try again."

sorry to hear about the fall and the burn injury. i assume it was just a small strip on the leg? 

Dr approved your holiday plans? Usually surgery is required for full thickness burn wounds. Any issue with keeping the wound clean/protected during your trip?

Perhaps it's good to take a break from riding for a month or so. Take the opportunity to recharge and recover for a new start next year 

 

p.s. 4 pts is great! i think it's easier to resolve immediate failure issues than accumulation of too many points. i'm guessing the 2nd IF was due to omission of plank?

[Janeoh]

1 hour ago, shiba2b said:

sorry to hear about the fall and the burn injury. i assume it was just a small strip on the leg? 

Dr approved your holiday plans? Usually surgery is required for full thickness burn wounds. Any issue with keeping the wound clean/protected during your trip?

Perhaps it's good to take a break from riding for a month or so. Take the opportunity to recharge and recover for a new start next year 

 

p.s. 4 pts is great! i think it's easier to resolve immediate failure issues than accumulation of too many points. i'm guessing the 2nd IF was due to omission of plank?

Omission of plank hahahah nice way of putting it. And yes. I just couldn't do it hahahahah. 

But I must say, CDC, it's just one round circuit, no repeats then one round evaluation, no retake. 

I would've tried again (despite the pain) if I were given the chance. Cos I know I can do it.

anyway, I haven't seen a Dr for it officially - my Dr friend just "saw" it and told me what to do...

I've changed the hydrocolliod plaster quite a few times already cos it keeps leaking. Not sure pus or "plasma?!?" We'll see...

and like I told my mom over the phone, it's not big, like 1/3 palm size.  

[shiba2b]

1 hour ago, Janeoh said:

Omission of plank hahahah nice way of putting it. And yes. I just couldn't do it hahahahah. 

But I must say, CDC, it's just one round circuit, no repeats then one round evaluation, no retake. 

I would've tried again (despite the pain) if I were given the chance. Cos I know I can do it.

anyway, I haven't seen a Dr for it officially - my Dr friend just "saw" it and told me what to do...

I've changed the hydrocolliod plaster quite a few times already cos it keeps leaking. Not sure pus or "plasma?!?" We'll see...

and like I told my mom over the phone, it's not big, like 1/3 palm size.  

i'm no medical expert but i think plasma will be clear fluid, pus will be yellow. 

those hydrocolliod plasters are truly a godsend. Just take care to avoid infection. Antiseptic gel/ointments are important.

 

[Janeoh]

1 hour ago, shiba2b said:

i'm no medical expert but i think plasma will be clear fluid, pus will be yellow. 

those hydrocolliod plasters are truly a godsend. Just take care to avoid infection. Antiseptic gel/ointments are important.

 

I took a picture of it and described the problem to my friend and he said the nature of the product is that when the plaster comes in contact with body fluid, a gel is formed to created a moist env for healing. It's the gel leaking... so just deal with that, don't need to keep changing plaster

then now my hb remembers a foot surgery he did previously, he said they dressed a gauze over the plaster to take care of the leaks. 

Ah..... 

[snooptrader]

10 hours ago, Janeoh said:

I had another bad fall yesterday immediate failure for IE (lesson 5). Haven't fallen at figure of 8 in so long... oh well. Also didn't do the plank.  

anyway, kenna 3rd degree burn/full thickness skin burn... my Dr friend (and first aid certified child ) told me I need to go get professional medical attention... dr friend said I need skin graft. no time for that since I'll be out of town in a few days until end of the year.

said child thinks I should stop riding

I completed the evaluation anyway... 4 pts. The instructor was like "only 4 points but 2 immediate failure. Your first time right? Now u know what to do. Try again."

I hope you are ok, and most importantlym you are in good spirits. Have the wound check and while you may not get a graft in the mean time, monitor the wound.

4 points is excellent and keep going forward. Hope to ride with you when we all have the chance.. right now... we are confined to the play pens...

[Janeoh]

37 minutes ago, snooptrader said:

I hope you are ok, and most importantlym you are in good spirits. Have the wound check and while you may not get a graft in the mean time, monitor the wound.

4 points is excellent and keep going forward. Hope to ride with you when we all have the chance.. right now... we are confined to the play pens...

I enjoy my play pen. I have a feeling I won't ever get a bike. Just get the license nia. And now I'm not even sure.

thankfully it's school hols... otherwise the schedule is quite grueling

[apogeeXX]

 

 

[shiba2b]

2 hours ago, Janeoh said:

I took a picture of it and described the problem to my friend and he said the nature of the product is that when the plaster comes in contact with body fluid, a gel is formed to created a moist env for healing. It's the gel leaking... so just deal with that, don't need to keep changing plaster

then now my hb remembers a foot surgery he did previously, he said they dressed a gauze over the plaster to take care of the leaks. 

Ah..... 

ahh haha yeah need a gauze over it with some micropore tape to hold it in place. i was doing that for abt 2 months last year post-surgery. Not a burn wound though. 

[snooptrader]

15 hours ago, Janeoh said:

I enjoy my play pen. I have a feeling I won't ever get a bike. Just get the license nia. And now I'm not even sure.

thankfully it's school hols... otherwise the schedule is quite grueling

@Janeoh Yes, the play pen is enjoyable.

Let's put things in perspective. It's not about getting the bike, it's the privilege to ride and enjoy it.

Don't give up and use the experience of getting a license to show the young ones that you can preserve can do it, because if you don't believe that you can, it's so wrong.

We all have doubts and challenges.

Please don't let this set back put you off on this journey and hope you will continue with all the "L"s here in this community.

Furthermore, the community in this forum is generous in sharing information and moral support.

Let's all ride on this journey together.

[Nakuru]

On 11/25/2022 at 8:08 AM, Janeoh said:

I had another bad fall yesterday immediate failure for IE (lesson 5). Haven't fallen at figure of 8 in so long... oh well. Also didn't do the plank.  

anyway, kenna 3rd degree burn/full thickness skin burn... my Dr friend (and first aid certified child ) told me I need to go get professional medical attention... dr friend said I need skin graft. no time for that since I'll be out of town in a few days until end of the year.

said child thinks I should stop riding

I completed the evaluation anyway... 4 pts. The instructor was like "only 4 points but 2 immediate failure. Your first time right? Now u know what to do. Try again."

Wah omg.. how bad did u fall sia.. best is dun do skin graft la.. tts like from 1 pain become 2 pain.. the skin graft will be more painful than the actual wound itself..

4 points is great thou.. my 1st try was 16 points with 2 immediate failure.. just keep trying 

[snooptrader]

6.01 - road; night ride.

On a Friday, went for the first ride outside the circuit. Yes, this was a road lesson where the students were introduced to the real world of the vehicles. The first on-road session is a night session, hence there at night. 

As usual, we had to produce our IDs and the BBDC app on the phone. In addition, we had to show the screenshot of the PDL to the instructors.

The briefing started by instructors telling us the formation. The formation is where students will dominate the lane by having a staggered formation with instructors at the front and the rear. There would be a total of 8 riders, hence 6 students. 

Real life skills were taught. First, we were told to get the raincoats and taught to fold them and secure them on the bike! Life skill! (Don’t laugh, you season bikers out there)

Once we secured the raincoats onto the bike. The instructors gave a run down of what to expect on the road and the safety aspect of how we students, have to use our judgement and be able to respond to road situations.

Once the briefing was over, we were told to get on the bike and form up. The two instructors took care of the group really well, ensuring our safety by making sure, the students could get out of the gates of BBDC and finally ride!

Once out of the gates, we all rode like Casey Stoner!…. NOT!

The instructors said that they wanted us to go faster than that of the circuit and try up to gear 5. Unfortunately, only managed to reach gear 4. I think some are still apprehensive to go at higher speeds… 

Overall, the experience was great…. The main thing was to keep a lookout for all the entrances/exits of where there could be possible vehicles. During my ride, I saw a cyclist that just went out and didn’t see the bikes riding in formation.

We made a couple of rounds riding in traffic around Bukit Batok. It was quite fun and we did stop occasionally at the side to receive briefing of what had to be done, and what had to be corrected. 

By the end of the session, it was about 11:10pm and while tired… was pretty happy. Will see 7.01 next where there will be introduction to the test route.