[cdc] 2b

[simeone82]

Passed my test today!!

 

Congrats!

 

Yesterday my lesson 3 failed again... Good news is slope pass with chop but fig 8 and crank still fail.

Instructor yesterday was good and explained when to look at cone or kerb when entering... but fail fig 8 of time at

15s and crank course fall off bike due to stall twice..then again limited try to practice as there are revision lessons

 

Like to ask you all, when entering fig 8 still throttle more or constant small throttle with the gear 2?

then crank course when in gear 2 got throttle or no? I ask instructor he said no need to throttle just steer the handlebar

in crank course looking at the kerb.

 

Sian really no talent and still can't catch the technique despite tips by many of you..

[fadbabat]

Congrats!

 

Yesterday my lesson 3 failed again... Good news is slope pass with chop but fig 8 and crank still fail.

Instructor yesterday was good and explained when to look at cone or kerb when entering... but fail fig 8 of time at

15s and crank course fall off bike due to stall twice..then again limited try to practice as there are revision lessons

 

Like to ask you all, when entering fig 8 still throttle more or constant small throttle with the gear 2?

then crank course when in gear 2 got throttle or no? I ask instructor he said no need to throttle just steer the handlebar

in crank course looking at the kerb.

 

Sian really no talent and still can't catch the technique despite tips by many of you..

Fig 8 need to maintain ur throttle. To slow down, tap ur rear brake. Never ever close throttle as it will cause the weight of the bike to compress the front fork (will make u unstable). Dun use front brake as well because during wet weather especially, ur front tyre can skid (tested and proven)

[Siphon]

Congrats!

Like to ask you all, when entering fig 8 still throttle more or constant small throttle with the gear 2?

 

Throttle MORE. Gear 2 with at least throttle enough to feel "fast" in the circuit. Step on the REAR brake. Hold it down through the Curve. Release it when you start going straight into the next curve.

I suspect you are not "banking" which is why you are slow. Try this the next time, after you enter the fig 8 entry point. Imagine you are at the pylon Salom. you turn a little right into the FIG 8. Then straight away BANK LEFT and maintain throttle. LOOK at the opposite side of the circle.Press the REAR brakes a little harder if you really feel it is too fast and you are STRAIGHTENING UP. if you feel you are "falling" down you need to THROTTLE MORE when you go into the figure 8. in the Figure 8 when you are doing the curve, your throttle must only increase. NEVER DECREASE. Confirm fall...

 

then crank course when in gear 2 got throttle or no? I ask instructor he said no need to throttle just steer the handlebar

in crank course looking at the kerb.

 

once in with gear 2, you slowly just steer also can fulfill the 6 sec... just need to watch your line of travel. use the plyon salom technique to swerve from outermost line to innermost line and you'll be fine.

[Ricorica]

Throttle MORE. Gear 2 with at least throttle enough to feel "fast" in the circuit. Step on the REAR brake. Hold it down through the Curve. Release it when you start going straight into the next curve.

I suspect you are not "banking" which is why you are slow. Try this the next time, after you enter the fig 8 entry point. Imagine you are at the pylon Salom. you turn a little right into the FIG 8. Then straight away BANK LEFT and maintain throttle. LOOK at the opposite side of the circle.Press the REAR brakes a little harder if you really feel it is too fast and you are STRAIGHTENING UP. if you feel you are "falling" down you need to THROTTLE MORE when you go into the figure 8. in the Figure 8 when you are doing the curve, your throttle must only increase. NEVER DECREASE. Confirm fall...

once in with gear 2, you slowly just steer also can fulfill the 6 sec... just need to watch your line of travel. use the plyon salom technique to swerve from outermost line to innermost line and you'll be fine.

 

Bro, I think either you passed a long time ago and forgot or you came from different school. The figure 8 crank is lesson 3, Slalom is lesson 4, he have not taken it yet. Haha. But you made some important points. Banking is important together with eye-line. If your are scared(which is normal, i was too initially), try banking a little first and slowly build up confidence and bank more. But don't worry, even you you bank too much and fall or lose control of bike, the crash bars are there to prevent you from taking heavy injury. There was once I tried to bank low without sufficient speed and lost control of bike, end up upping the curb and fell. But crash bars are there to save me.

Edited April 9, 2015 by Ricorica

[simeone82]

Thanks for all the tips!

yes I did not really bankin, I only tried to maintain throttle but somehow my body pressed too hard on the brake and slow down...

then when exiting, suppose to exit with bankin to left to stop line before crank course?

 

I think my crank course I too slow speed then change to 2nd gear and the bike was like no power and eventually engine died

halfway when going to steer right...

[lesterq]

I'm going for practical 6 for the 4th time. .

 

I wish myself good luck.

[simeone82]

hi,

today failed again lesson 3 haha really no talent in fig 8..

But thanks to all the tips, slope, and crank no problem already used to fall in crank now can just go through smoothly..

Fig8 improved from 15 Sec to 12.4 s.. but well think during assessment round too fast and mount kerb go straight to crank..

the last time my bike can go 2nd gear smoothly, but this time round keep neutral again....instructor say I not fast enough...

sigh..lesson 3 see you again next week for another 3 times I guessed for fig 8

[jbdoggy]

Simeone82,

 

Ok, good to know youre making some good improvement all round. If youre comfortable with 12.4 secs, so be it for now. Use that speed to cultivate your head snap & eyeline. The more you do it, the more speed you will achieve. I did many rounds before I could do under 10 secs. Plenty of time for that when you do your revisions. and after doing many many rounds, you will eventually find you can do it w/o really snapping your head.

 

Mean time: just pay special attention to this Jap girl's head: Notice how she snaps her head each time before she makes a turn? Beautiful control isnt it?

 

Dont work the bike. Let the bike do all the work. You just look where you want to go, control steering, throttle & brakes & let the bike do the rest. Then things will be smooth & aesthetically pleasing to onlookers. If you try to work the bike, its not nice to watch cos its like a battle going on - you trying to make the bike do something, while the bike is trying to do its own natural thing. Just let go & go with the flow.

 

Has any instructor ever offered you a pillion ride round the 8?

Edited April 10, 2015 by jbdoggy

[rijac]

Don't be afraid to throttle harder. Try it on a straight line first. Throttle higher and step harder on the brakes

[simeone82]

Simeone82,

 

Ok, good to know youre making some good improvement all round. If youre comfortable with 12.4 secs, so be it for now. Use that speed to cultivate your head snap & eyeline. The more you do it, the more speed you will achieve. I did many rounds before I could do under 10 secs. Plenty of time for that when you do your revisions. and after doing many many rounds, you will eventually find you can do it w/o really snapping your head.

 

Mean time: just pay special attention to this Jap girl's head: Notice how she snaps her head each time before she makes a turn? Beautiful control isnt it?

 

Dont work the bike. Let the bike do all the work. You just look where you want to go, control steering, throttle & brakes & let the bike do the rest. Then things will be smooth & aesthetically pleasing to onlookers. If you try to work the bike, its not nice to watch cos its like a battle going on - you trying to make the bike do something, while the bike is trying to do its own natural thing. Just let go & go with the flow.

 

Has any instructor ever offered you a pillion ride round the 8?

 

Wow the video lady is impressive! Ok will try to look far and maintain throttle...Yah you are right, somehow I dun feel like I am controlling the bike... going to try to accelerate look far and bank. Maybe i can break record of setting either 8 to 10 for lesson 3 before going next level..

[simeone82]

Don't be afraid to throttle harder. Try it on a straight line first. Throttle higher and step harder on the brakes

 

I think during fig 8 best is to maintain throttle? I actually tried to throttle hard during the "straight" line of fig 8 and when righting the centri force make me wide turn and mount kerb go crank lol... still can't catch the right technique to be fast.

[rijac]

Yes maintain a higher throttle and if going too fast step harder on the brake.

[chriszzz]

Due to the short distance between curves in fig 8, I think it is easier to maintain a constant throttle. To do fig 8 in under 11 seconds, you don't need much speed. The bottleneck is not the bike but the rider, who just needs to gain confidence. Changing throttle midway makes it harder to control the bike unless you are experienced, esp when different bikes may react differently to your throttle changes. The distance "between" curves is very short, so any time difference you gain is negligible anyway.

 

Try it both ways, and decide which is easier.

 

 

I think during fig 8 best is to maintain throttle? I actually tried to throttle hard during the "straight" line of fig 8 and when righting the centri force make me wide turn and mount kerb go crank lol... still can't catch the right technique to be fast.

[Ricorica]

For me, that "straight" is not really traveling straight, I am still recovering from the banking during the previous curve and going into a new banking posture for the next curve, so i tend to just maintain throttle instead of adding. Use foot breaks if I'm too fast.

 

I went for CR on Sat and Sun and fell on both days in Crank. But i kinda gotten the hang of it, i use to throttle after shifting to gear 2 in crank, bike became too fast and i will lose control. Now i realize the bike has got enough momentum to go through crank even without throttle. So will practice more on it.

[simeone82]

Hello everybody guess what I just again failed my lesson 3 the number 4th times...

I feel I am much faster than previously but instructor show me timing, 12.8s, 13.4, 13.5...

worst than previously.. Yeah even though bike alignment and clutch is lousy for that bike,... the biker is even more lousier with such timings....

Then signal forgot to on back most of the times....

[FireGunz]

Hello everybody guess what I just again failed my lesson 3 the number 4th times...

I feel I am much faster than previously but instructor show me timing, 12.8s, 13.4, 13.5...

worst than previously.. Yeah even though bike alignment and clutch is lousy for that bike,... the biker is even more lousier with such timings....

Then signal forgot to on back most of the times....

Hi bro, don't worry too much. The more you try/ride, the more experience that you gain the skill as thing alway is "Practice make Perfect" also safety alway come 1st too.

 

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[zidrhan]

Hey guys, I've gone through prac 5 twice now and need to go through it the 3rd time. There are some parts I understand and need to improve more on it, no issue. but for the ebrake, I keep on getting improper posture.

 

I remember clear as day when I did the ebrake, Body upright, Legs grip tank, Hands lock straight, eyeline straight but I'm still given points for improper posture. Anything i actually missed out??

 

And also fail to cancel signal, i remember the only time i dont cancel signal is after ebrake turn right then i switch off signal. Still given points for that. Tell me that's wrong cuz I remember instructor Kelvin Yip told not to cancel signal until you turn right after ebrake.

 

If i can eliminate this 2 and improve my other silly2 mistakes shown on paper, I'm ready to go.

 

Please advise.

[dineze]

Focus on being smooth first before trying to throttle harder. When you are smooth, then add a little more speed.

 

How to be smooth: use rear brake to slow down. Do not make abrupt changes to throttle (don't accelerate or close throttle suddenly). Lean more. If you have speed, you won't fall over when you lean.

 

Good luck

[jbdoggy]

Hey guys, I've gone through prac 5 twice now and need to go through it the 3rd time. There are some parts I understand and need to improve more on it, no issue. but for the ebrake, I keep on getting improper posture.

 

I remember clear as day when I did the ebrake, Body upright, Legs grip tank, Hands lock straight, eyeline straight but I'm still given points for improper posture. Anything i actually missed out??

 

And also fail to cancel signal, i remember the only time i dont cancel signal is after ebrake turn right then i switch off signal. Still given points for that. Tell me that's wrong cuz I remember instructor Kelvin Yip told not to cancel signal until you turn right after ebrake.

 

If i can eliminate this 2 and improve my other silly2 mistakes shown on paper, I'm ready to go.

 

Please advise.

 

For ebrake, i can only think of 1 - after you stopped & doing all those procedures to start off again, did you at any time release the front brake? Your right hand always holds onto the front brake until youre ready to move again. Cos your right foot is on the ground, the front brake is whats going to stop your bike from moving in the event someone hits you from behind.

 

Hard to say abt the signal part, but some bikes needs a bit more effort to turn the signal off......perhaps you thought you turned it off but actually still on, - any possibility there?? Yes, you keep your signal on all the way from ebrake until you enter the lane leading back to bike nursery. (at the start of the admin building)

Edited April 13, 2015 by jbdoggy

[Genius]

For ebrake, i can only think of 1 - after you stopped & doing all those procedures to start off again, did you at any time release the front brake? Your right hand always holds onto the front brake until youre ready to move again. Cos your right foot is on the ground, the front brake is whats going to stop your bike from moving in the event someone hits you from behind.

 

Hard to say abt the signal part, but some bikes needs a bit more effort to turn the signal off......perhaps you thought you turned it off but actually still on, - any possibility there?? Yes, you keep your signal on all the way from ebrake until you enter the lane leading back to bike nursery. (at the start of the admin building)

 

Ebrake- don clutch in too early. Its ok to stall.

Could it be also the braking technique?

[jbdoggy]

Early clutch-in falls under incorrect technique. 2 pts. I got it 3 times during my L5 days.

Edited April 13, 2015 by jbdoggy

[simeone82]

Hello riders.. Today mine 5th time lesson 3 and failed because of fig 8...

Timing gotten worst 14s and intructor commented I brake too much on foot can only tap..

Then I heard someone taking 7th time and failed too...

Will be taking a break from bike learning.. So sian no improvement think will take 2 to 3 weeks off sigh...

[dineze]

calm down and don't get discouraged.

 

If you jam too much on your rear brake, and your throttle stays the same (low) of course your timing will be worse. If you are more smooth now than before just add more throttle and less rear brake and try to hit that timing.

[dineze]

Double post sorry

[simeone82]

calm down and don't get discouraged.

 

If you jam too much on your rear brake, and your throttle stays the same (low) of course your timing will be worse. If you are more smooth now than before just add more throttle and less rear brake and try to hit that timing.

 

Yah I realized my mistake is somehow I scare to bank in to the right..posture wrong....

My mind telling me to bank right when I look right but my body keep staying upright..

Was planning to chiong many lessons but I think I will stop and rest a while .. no improvement...