WRX

[YoShiMurA_86]

Originally posted by STi@March 21, 2007 07:14 pm

hmmm...

400++ on the crank. First the stock clutch already cannot take it. Changing a after market ones to accomodate such power will cost u near 2k.

2ndly, the stock internals cannot take such power in the long run thus prepare to change internals to forge or forge engine block which will easily be min 3++k to 6+k.

 

in my advie i rather u get a new one. slowly get use to the 230 hourses on crank and up your power after getting use to it.

Learn to handle a 200+ bhp car before you handle a 400+ bhp car straight away. IT's dangerous.

 

Judging from yr post this migh be the first car u own. Thus stay alive and keep yr expensive pocession in 1 peice...

yea .. asked him already .. he had change his clutch to single plate clutch .. not double yet so no ice cream sound like pgm4 haha .. his internals all hv done up to accomadate his horses .. ask me dont worry ... haha , how can i not worry man ...

[YoShiMurA_86]

Originally posted by Lmodel@March 21, 2007 07:18 pm

For a 400HP car, I think he will need at least a front 6 pot and rear 4pot brake as well. Another $4k ~ $6k.

 

Actual, juz retune the ECU to upp it to 280HP.

yea .. he has the brembo 6x4 .. if stock i think dont know accident how many x liao .. haha , am i correct ?

[YoShiMurA_86]

oh ya 1 more thing .. he's going to trade in his brembo for erm... something lke ENDLESS .. he say its a better quality then brembo .. think i heard b4 but didnt know it was a brake caliper , thought was just some cool stickers for cars ...hahahaha , top up 5k including his brembo .. worth it ??

[specialc]

Originally posted by STi@March 20, 2007 03:15 am

First my fren. U dun bore the piston or conrods but rather u change them to forged and port polish yr heads. If u stick to the standard 99.5 piston size u wun need to bore the head.

 

The 2.5 rex has a relatively weak engine due to the aluminium pistons and compression ratio of 8.5:1 which is pretty high for a turbo charge car. there fore running more than 1.4bar will risk blowing yr pistons. Already a handful of 2.5 rxs in singapore blew their engines running at 1.7bar.

 

Changing the pistons and conrods to forge will not give you any problems if the workmanship is done properly and professionally. In fact it gives you more benefits than problems. By doing so u can safely run your car at 1.8bar without worrying that your pistons might go Piang... hehe In fact i would recomend it if u plan to go higher on the boost.

 

But my advice is to get use to watever power the car now has before going further. Handling a 200 over whp car is no easy and can be a dangerous weapon if not properly controlled as the wrx is famous for understeer.

 

Cheers..

To accomodate more power, the head needs to be bored and cc:ed.

The 2.5 engine is weak inherently due to the bore and stroke. Thats the weakest link. Even if it is forged for the pistons, like the STis with semi forged, the pistons still give way. The crank and conrods should be nitrided and shotpeened like the Spec C's. Chrome Moly Gapless piston rings recommended. All ARP bolts should be used, inclusive of gudgeon pins and conrods bolts.

Have played with WRX for a decade and just recently, I got out of the Subaru scene.

 

Have fun.

[specialc]

Originally posted by YoShiMurA_86@March 21, 2007 09:16 pm

yea .. he has the brembo 6x4 .. if stock i think dont know accident how many x liao .. haha , am i correct ?

Brembos has no 6 X 4. But 4 X 2. Not fantastic as it is. You will need good brake pads like the 999 or the DSC3000.

[archenemy]

Originally posted by YoShiMurA_86@March 21, 2007 09:59 am

wow guys .. thank u for many of ur advices .. really appreciate it .. i will seriously consider it many times .. haha btw , if i'm not wrong he went for a dyno .. shows out 400+ horses .. on crank la .. nv drive a turbocharge car b4... wonder is it really tt difficult to control ?

im quite baffled..

 

are you 21 years old as your nick suggests?

 

at 21 years old..and horsepower..not money..is the thing stopping you from getting that machine...why stop there?

 

get a prancing stallion or a raging bull....no modifications needed...no questions as to whether the car can perform up to your expectations...

[STi]

Originally posted by YoShiMurA_86@March 21, 2007 09:16 pm

yea .. he has the brembo 6x4 .. if stock i think dont know accident how many x liao .. haha , am i correct ?

I'm running 325horses on the wheels which amounts up to average 405 horses on the crank and i already feel the Brembos are not enough to stop such power. Besides i'm using 800degree pads liowz. BTW WRX Brembos only comes in front 4 pot and rear 2 pot. no 6 x 2. better check with yr fren properly. And they are stock STI or spec C brakes only capable up to 350 on crank to play safe. with that kind of horses i would rather use a 6 pot to be safe.

[STi]

Originally posted by YoShiMurA_86@March 21, 2007 09:19 pm

oh ya 1 more thing .. he's going to trade in his brembo for erm... something lke ENDLESS .. he say its a better quality then brembo .. think i heard b4 but didnt know it was a brake caliper , thought was just some cool stickers for cars ...hahahaha , top up 5k including his brembo .. worth it ??

Endless cost about 9k front and rear.

[STi]

Originally posted by specialc@March 22, 2007 02:54 pm

To accomodate more power, the head needs to be bored and cc:ed.

The 2.5 engine is weak inherently due to the bore and stroke. Thats the weakest link. Even if it is forged for the pistons, like the STis with semi forged, the pistons still give way. The crank and conrods should be nitrided and shotpeened like the Spec C's. Chrome Moly Gapless piston rings recommended. All ARP bolts should be used, inclusive of gudgeon pins and conrods bolts.

Have played with WRX for a decade and just recently, I got out of the Subaru scene.

 

Have fun.

Totally agree.. But will costs a bomb.

Would be better to buy a cosworth block or crafawd brand new. Labour cheaper. Total slightly more ex only. hee hee. Cosworth block uses the pistons and rods you mention. hee.

Also thinking of getting the ARP head studs.

[YoShiMurA_86]

Originally posted by archenemy@March 22, 2007 09:57 pm

im quite baffled..

 

are you 21 years old as your nick suggests?

 

at 21 years old..and horsepower..not money..is the thing stopping you from getting that machine...why stop there?

 

get a prancing stallion or a raging bull....no modifications needed...no questions as to whether the car can perform up to your expectations...

yea .. i'm 21 this year ... haiz .. really headache dont know wanna COI not ..

[xb84]

Originally posted by YoShiMurA_86@March 23, 2007 02:50 am

yea .. i'm 21 this year ... haiz .. really headache dont know wanna COI not ..

of course not! still young! many years ahead my friend.

[Throttle]

Originally posted by YoShiMurA_86@March 23, 2007 02:50 am

yea .. i'm 21 this year ... haiz .. really headache dont know wanna COI not ..

Simple, how much is your father / mother paying for you?

if not how much is your salary/ income?

 

Once you've answered that, you'll know exactly what is the right thing to do.

[specialc]

Originally posted by STi@March 22, 2007 10:30 pm

Totally agree.. But will costs a bomb.

Would be better to buy a cosworth block or crafawd brand new. Labour cheaper. Total slightly more ex only. hee hee. Cosworth block uses the pistons and rods you mention. hee.

Also thinking of getting the ARP head studs.

I am not in favour of buying a complete Crawford or even a Cosworth block. When I had my first GC8 JDM, I sent the whole darn engine over to Oz right down to the flywheel including even the bolts. The weight balancing was done right down to the bolts of the flywheel.

 

The blueprinting process plus rebuilt will cost around the region of $30k only and take ard 2 months. For conrods, I recommend Titanium Carillos. Hell the engine do last. But since the OMV and COE was way too high...(COE was at 68k)... the car was finally exported to Nz...

 

After 4 WRXs in a decade, I decided recently to call it a day and reverted back to the German Stallions. One thing I learnt after spending a fortune (can buy 0.75% of a Dist 9 condo), buy the car quick out of the box so you don't need to mod much, good examples would be like the Spec C RA, RA-R, E9 RS, GT3 or the M3 CSL. Good thing my last car I did not mod much as it is pretty quick already. Was looking for a RA-R to replace my Spec C, but no PIs can get it for me...as there are only 300 pieces.

 

Bro, try not to spend so much. Car is a depreciating asset. At the end of the day when you sell, the parts mean nothing.

[Throttle]

Originally posted by specialc@March 24, 2007 06:21 pm

One thing I learnt after spending a fortune (can buy 0.75% of a Dist 9 condo)

*Gulp* you spent $1mil on modding and owning jap cars?

[specialc]

Originally posted by Throttle@March 24, 2007 06:34 pm

*Gulp* you spent $1mil on modding and owning jap cars?

Almost. Unbelievable right? Else I would have bought some properties and cash in on the enblocs....damn it. The JDM Rexes in 1997 cost $170k. My last Spec C cost me $168k. Sold off for slightly above 85k after 3 years of ownership.... plus all the mods on all the rest of the Subarus.... crazy huh? With that kind of depreciation, you can buy a GT3.

 

 

Hopefully with this new car, I am discipline enough not to mess around too much with it. Even before my relationship started with the Subarus, my other contis cars I f**ked around with them too...... once itchy always itchy.

[archenemy]

Originally posted by YoShiMurA_86@March 23, 2007 02:50 am

yea .. i'm 21 this year ... haiz .. really headache dont know wanna COI not ..

i wont have a headache if i were you...

 

i will just go get ferrari...

 

no issues with power/spare parts/enhancements blah blah..

 

have you seen a ferrari with any enhancements? quite rare isnt it?

[Throttle]

Originally posted by specialc@March 24, 2007 08:42 pm

Almost. Unbelievable right? Else I would have bought some properties and cash in on the enblocs....damn it. The JDM Rexes in 1997 cost $170k. My last Spec C cost me $168k. Sold off for slightly above 85k after 3 years of ownership.... plus all the mods on all the rest of the Subarus.... crazy huh? With that kind of depreciation, you can buy a GT3.

 

 

Hopefully with this new car, I am discipline enough not to mess around too much with it. Even before my relationship started with the Subarus, my other contis cars I f**ked around with them too...... once itchy always itchy.

You must have owned at least 10 cars each losing $100k or 20 cars, each losing $50k ......

 

Admire your passion in modding and owning different cars, in that case.

 

But really better off buying just one or 2 super cars, in my opinion.

[specialc]

Originally posted by Throttle@March 24, 2007 09:44 pm

You must have owned at least 10 cars each losing $100k or 20 cars, each losing $50k ......

 

Admire your passion in modding and owning different cars, in that case.

 

But really better off buying just one or 2 super cars, in my opinion.

Most of them lost more than $50k. Plus the modifications. Now I am into my 10th car..... buying a super car is not a problem. But maintaining it is a different issue altogether. I don't want to be seen as one of those Club 21 regulars or hanging around Hilton or Mandarin. Too upmarket and pretencious. You also would not want to drive your Ferrari like a ****** on Sepang and worried about stone chips and all.

[Throttle]

Originally posted by specialc@March 24, 2007 10:32 pm

Most of them lost more than $50k. Plus the modifications. Now I am into my 10th car..... buying a super car is not a problem. But maintaining it is a different issue altogether. I don't want to be seen as one of those Club 21 regulars or hanging around Hilton or Mandarin. Too upmarket and pretencious. You also would not want to drive your Ferrari like a ****** on Sepang and worried about stone chips and all.

Yes, that's true. Makes sense especially since you go on the track.

Modding your own car also gives a good feeling of satisfaction and individuality.

I see your point.

 

[Throttle]

Originally posted by specialc@March 24, 2007 06:21 pm

Bro, try not to spend so much. Car is a depreciating asset. At the end of the day when you sell, the parts mean nothing.

Yeah the parts dont mean much. Mod for your own pleasure.

To me, a Car is not even classified an asset.

It's an expense. Just how much you want and able to write off.

heh heh

[STi]

Originally posted by specialc@March 24, 2007 06:21 pm

 

Bro, try not to spend so much. Car is a depreciating asset. At the end of the day when you sell, the parts mean nothing.

Bro. Understand wat u mean. I use to own a GC8 Type R WRX in 1997 too and that really depreciates like hell exclude the mods i spent.

 

To many, a car is just an asset, everyday transport.

 

To me, My other everyday car is an asset which i only pump petrol and drive just wanting it to be comfortable. The wrx is a hobby. Some pple spend on collector items, antiques, cigars, bla bla bla. For me, Modding the car slowly, getting use to every upgrades slowly, learning what i've actually upgraded, washing and polishing my car, seeing the dyno figures increasing step by step, understanding how diff mods play a diff role in the car and tracking is all my hobby. This car is not my asset but my hobby. Spending on mods on it are all extra $$ to spend just like how others spend on what they like to collect. In other words, I'm just a car enthusists.

 

It all boils down to personal prefrence.

[stylomilo]

Originally posted by STi@March 25, 2007 02:25 am

The wrx is a hobby. Some pple spend on collector items, antiques, cigars, bla bla bla. For me, Modding the car slowly, getting use to every upgrades slowly, learning what i've actually upgraded, washing and polishing my car, seeing the dyno figures increasing step by step, understanding how diff mods play a diff role in the car and tracking is all my hobby. This car is not my asset but my hobby. Spending on mods on it are all extra $$ to spend just like how others spend on what they like to collect. In other words, I'm just a car enthusists.

 

It all boils down to personal prefrence.

totally agreed! after every mod or repair, the car just runs smoother and is more fun 2 drive... but its a really expensive sport...

[specialc]

Originally posted by STi@March 25, 2007 02:25 am

Bro. Understand wat u mean. I use to own a GC8 Type R WRX in 1997 too and that really depreciates like hell exclude the mods i spent.

 

To many, a car is just an asset, everyday transport.

 

To me, My other everyday car is an asset which i only pump petrol and drive just wanting it to be comfortable. The wrx is a hobby. Some pple spend on collector items, antiques, cigars, bla bla bla. For me, Modding the car slowly, getting use to every upgrades slowly, learning what i've actually upgraded, washing and polishing my car, seeing the dyno figures increasing step by step, understanding how diff mods play a diff role in the car and tracking is all my hobby. This car is not my asset but my hobby. Spending on mods on it are all extra $$ to spend just like how others spend on what they like to collect. In other words, I'm just a car enthusists.

 

It all boils down to personal prefrence.

Type R? I know almost all the type R owners...hey maybe I know you...whats your name dude?

[STi]

Originally posted by specialc@March 25, 2007 02:32 pm

Type R? I know almost all the type R owners...hey maybe I know you...whats your name dude?

hehe.. Only 20 pcs in whole singapore it's hard not to know all ma.

[specialc]

Originally posted by STi@March 25, 2007 05:43 pm

hehe.. Only 20 pcs in whole singapore it's hard not to know all ma.

 

Sorry, but I do know almost ALL. except the doctor. Why u so shy? Now driving GDA right? Which workshop u go to?