Honda New 400cc lineup 2013, CB400F, CB400X, CBR400R

[samurai8410]

what does abs got to do with going fast? it is meant to prevent wheel lock, even if u travel at 30km/h u also can wheel lock if u jam brake like those newbies in driving centre. ABS is bascially a system which helps prevent wheel lock thats all, u can choose to not have it as it is costly to repair if anything goes wrong, doesnt matter your speed which u are going.

 

Since ABS is almost always an option chosen by the bike purchaser, some of the claimed 37% reduction in fatalities may be due to the fact that the guy who buys an ABS-equipted bike is more safety-conscious than other riders. The ABS consumer probably rides safer than other riders: For example, he/she is more likely to refrain from drinking, drugs, and when riding he/she practices defensive riding, wears a helmet: i.e, a good moral risk.

on loose surfaces like gravel or sandy pavement, ABS can significantly increase braking distance and when theres dirt on the sensor, the systems shuts down. And prob if im getting this bike, it will be on tough terrain because its an adventure bike which we wanted.... Dont tell me braking at 30-50 also can fall if wheel lock? . Like that doing e-brake at practical lesson could fall? Obviously abs comes in when braking hard at some speed. Oh well its just my perspective, whose getting abs is not a problem at all. Its just me i guess. Id just prefer normal braking and Big box! Lol how bp? Still have not receive any answer!

[Jehuty]

what does abs got to do with going fast? it is meant to prevent wheel lock, even if u travel at 30km/h u also can wheel lock if u jam brake like those newbies in driving centre. ABS is bascially a system which helps prevent wheel lock thats all, u can choose to not have it as it is costly to repair if anything goes wrong, doesnt matter your speed which u are going.

 

You do know ABS isn't a fix to learning how to brake?

 

Imo, learn how to brake but more importantly, be aware of your surrounding and your bike.

[Jehuty]

Since ABS is almost always an option chosen by the bike purchaser, some of the claimed 37% reduction in fatalities may be due to the fact that the guy who buys an ABS-equipted bike is more safety-conscious than other riders. The ABS consumer probably rides safer than other riders: For example, he/she is more likely to refrain from drinking, drugs, and when riding he/she practices defensive riding, wears a helmet: i.e, a good moral risk.

on loose surfaces like gravel or sandy pavement, ABS can significantly increase braking distance and when theres dirt on the sensor, the systems shuts down. And prob if im getting this bike, it will be on tough terrain because its an adventure bike which we wanted.... Dont tell me braking at 30-50 also can fall if wheel lock? . Like that doing e-brake at practical lesson could fall? Obviously abs comes in when braking hard at some speed. Oh well its just my perspective, whose getting abs is not a problem at all. Its just me i guess. Id just prefer normal braking and Big box! Lol how bp? Still have not receive any answer!

 

 

If the system shuts down, its normal braking, besides ABS decreases braking distance, not increase, basically its the same as you tapping your brakes rather than grabbing them but more advanced. You don't need ABS for rough terrain because you can't go very fast on it anyway and how is this Honda for offroad?? Might as well get a CRF450, that one then designed for offroad, not this bike.

 

Besides ABS is useful on surfaces with less traction like wet roads and sandy ones on tarmac, not offroad, on normal dry road, its more likely you'll endo.

[keyxblade]

Since ABS is almost always an option chosen by the bike purchaser, some of the claimed 37% reduction in fatalities may be due to the fact that the guy who buys an ABS-equipted bike is more safety-conscious than other riders. The ABS consumer probably rides safer than other riders: For example, he/she is more likely to refrain from drinking, drugs, and when riding he/she practices defensive riding, wears a helmet: i.e, a good moral risk.

on loose surfaces like gravel or sandy pavement, ABS can significantly increase braking distance and when theres dirt on the sensor, the systems shuts down. And prob if im getting this bike, it will be on tough terrain because its an adventure bike which we wanted.... Dont tell me braking at 30-50 also can fall if wheel lock? . Like that doing e-brake at practical lesson could fall? Obviously abs comes in when braking hard at some speed. Oh well its just my perspective, whose getting abs is not a problem at all. Its just me i guess. Id just prefer normal braking and Big box! Lol how bp? Still have not receive any answer!

 

yes u will fall at 30km/h if u wheel lock when u jam brake but most average rider wont. saw it when doing my 2b practical few years back, the guy jam front brake and front wheel lock. u can check out the cdc 2b thread still got ppl front wheel lock and fall. I am not saying ABS is good or essential or it will improve your braking skilll or what ever. I just saying your assumption that u ride slow so ABS has no effect doesnt make sense at all.

[keyxblade]

You do know ABS isn't a fix to learning how to brake?

 

Imo, learn how to brake but more importantly, be aware of your surrounding and your bike.

 

yup I know that. I bought an abs class 2 bike to try out abs since I have nv try abs bike before, i still brake softty with 2 fingers. sometimes i try the abs at slow speed like 30-40km/h and jam brake, works great.

[samurai8410]

Like what they say , we should handle the bike not the bike handle us. Theres always a pros and cons for everything. This is an adventure bike abit if offroad and road i didnt say its totally for offroad.. Might as well take the other 2 model if you dont want to have an "adventurer" bike. I know ebrake on abs uses less effort but cant rely on them 24/7. I owned aprillia rsv4 . Abs is important for it when cornering and high speed. And even on modern sport bikes, (let alone GP bikes) it is really hard to lock up the front brakes. Even in the rain. If you are on rain tires and are not leaned over in the turn, you can still brake really hard without locking up the front tire. ABS doesn't understand bank angles or the traction "pie chart". Since abs is for u then by all means not stopping or saying its not good. Its an additonal safety feature. Fyi i've been in accident with rsv.of all bikes this is the worse one. Two times. Both are critical head on car change lane last minute. infact still on mc with broken hand . I cant really xplain how until u experience yourself with it. I think its just your mindset that you have abs then braking alert will be more. Dont tell me with your current bike you guys always bang on something because have no abs? Oh well my case rest here dont mean to find anger here just my thoughts. Not forcing anybody not to buy. Just i dont prefer abs on it. After all this has ani1 actiually bought it??? Reviews??? Cruising, fc etc........

[keyxblade]

Like what they say , we should handle the bike not the bike handle us. Theres always a pros and cons for everything. This is an adventure bike abit if offroad and road i didnt say its totally for offroad.. Might as well take the other 2 model if you dont want to have an "adventurer" bike. I know ebrake on abs uses less effort but cant rely on them 24/7. I owned aprillia rsv4 . Abs is important for it when cornering and high speed. And even on modern sport bikes, (let alone GP bikes) it is really hard to lock up the front brakes. Even in the rain. If you are on rain tires and are not leaned over in the turn, you can still brake really hard without locking up the front tire. ABS doesn't understand bank angles or the traction "pie chart". Since abs is for u then by all means not stopping or saying its not good. Its an additonal safety feature. Fyi i've been in accident with rsv.of all bikes this is the worse one. Two times. Both are critical head on car change lane last minute. infact still on mc with broken hand . I cant really xplain how until u experience yourself with it. I think its just your mindset that you have abs then braking alert will be more. Dont tell me with your current bike you guys always bang on something because have no abs? Oh well my case rest here dont mean to find anger here just my thoughts. Not forcing anybody not to buy. Just i dont prefer abs on it. After all this has ani1 actiually bought it??? Reviews??? Cruising, fc etc........

 

i am not saying ABS is good it is a must have or that it is super safe or can work for all situation. do you know what abs stand for? it stands for anti-lock braking system, all it do is prevent wheel lock that is all it does period. I am just saying your logic of not going fast means abs has no use at all does not make sense.

[samurai8410]

i am not saying ABS is good it is a must have or that it is super safe or can work for all situation. do you know what abs stand for? it stands for anti-lock braking system, all it do is prevent wheel lock that is all it does period. I am just saying your logic of not going fast means abs has no use at all does not make sense.

 

Ahhh ok. Witth all the comment seems mixed up. Im just xplaining the pros and con thats all. Just my 2cents. Btw has ani1 bought ?

[napalm_rapier]

Aiya... dont fight2 la.. its up to individual rider whether they want abs or not...

 

[samurai8410]

Aiya... dont fight2 la.. its up to individual rider whether they want abs or not...

 

 

Seen that.have u seen the negative one like pedeosa fall? Oh well nvm getting or not i dont mind not fight2 lah xplaining only. Who know all of us get this bike can meet up lol. Planning to get b4 raya!

[Jehuty]

Like what they say , we should handle the bike not the bike handle us. Theres always a pros and cons for everything. This is an adventure bike abit if offroad and road i didnt say its totally for offroad.. Might as well take the other 2 model if you dont want to have an "adventurer" bike. I know ebrake on abs uses less effort but cant rely on them 24/7. I owned aprillia rsv4 . Abs is important for it when cornering and high speed. And even on modern sport bikes, (let alone GP bikes) it is really hard to lock up the front brakes. Even in the rain. If you are on rain tires and are not leaned over in the turn, you can still brake really hard without locking up the front tire. ABS doesn't understand bank angles or the traction "pie chart". Since abs is for u then by all means not stopping or saying its not good. Its an additonal safety feature. Fyi i've been in accident with rsv.of all bikes this is the worse one. Two times. Both are critical head on car change lane last minute. infact still on mc with broken hand . I cant really xplain how until u experience yourself with it. I think its just your mindset that you have abs then braking alert will be more. Dont tell me with your current bike you guys always bang on something because have no abs? Oh well my case rest here dont mean to find anger here just my thoughts. Not forcing anybody not to buy. Just i dont prefer abs on it. After all this has ani1 actiually bought it??? Reviews??? Cruising, fc etc........

 

You should know that in a corner or when lean over, you should not be braking rather not using ur front brakes. Its not about locking the front you should be worried about when braking while banked over, once you lose traction of your front, you'll lowside. Even traction control can't save you.

[rock n roll]

Does Any1 here bought the cb400x already?

[calebike]

just wonder...so all of you here will not look/consider at kawa ninja 400R? how about 300R? hmm...because im considering about 1 of these 2 but just that they are really a bit more expensive...

 

care to share how much is ninja? can pm if you want. I always thought CBR will be more expensive than Ninja

[keyxblade]

care to share how much is ninja? can pm if you want. I always thought CBR will be more expensive than Ninja

 

ninja 400 was 18k otr when i check last year. now should drop alot already since more competition

[mechwira]

ninja300 is 12k machine on offer, originally 12.8k machine but donno if the 12k price tag has been made permanent or the offer has been removed and reverted back to 12.8k machine now.

 

if you're wondering why the huge difference between the ninja300 and ninja400, its because the 400 is an ER6 with a downsleeved engine, while the 300 is a standalone model designed as-is. it follows therefore that the price of the 400 is similar to the ER6.

[PenangKia]

Does Any1 here bought the cb400x already?

 

Curious also on any real life ownership experience here? I'm counting down the days, and happy that there are a lot of accessories available as they leverage on the CB500x chassis, so most options should be compatible.

[Light_Emotion]

In japan, they are selling it @ 679,350 yen and ABS model @ 728,700 yen. Using www.xe.com, that works out to be 8,571.98 SGD and ABS @ 9,194.67 SGD..

 

Selling price in Singapore is 15.4K SGD onwards... Can anyone clarify to me why is there a huge difference even though after adding COE and registration fees?

 

Take the figure multiply by 1.3 as there is a 30% tax. Car is 110% or so. Then add in the COE, somewhere there.

For example ABS model 9200 x 1.3 = around 12000 plus coe 2k and etc... around 15k

[jyew777]

You should know that in a corner or when lean over, you should not be braking rather not using ur front brakes. Its not about locking the front you should be worried about when braking while banked over, once you lose traction of your front, you'll lowside. Even traction control can't save you.

 

ABS is a safety net. It does not mean you riders should not learn proper braking/riding techniques.

I , for one would like to have that safety net.

[Ferana01]

saw the cb400x, cbr 400 and cbr 500 at i-motoring @ Jln Bukit Merah just now...

 

Was quoted 15.5K otr w/o insurance for cb400x (non abs)

 

Nc700x (abs) is 17.5k otr w/o insurance

 

For me, price wise - getting the nc700x seems more value for money. a bonus point is that there are a lot of accessories you can buy from overseas.

[Jehuty]

ABS is a safety net. It does not mean you riders should not learn proper braking/riding techniques.

I , for one would like to have that safety net.

 

Point is you should not rely on it, rather it should complement.

[keyxblade]

saw the cb400x, cbr 400 and cbr 500 at i-motoring @ Jln Bukit Merah just now...

 

Was quoted 15.5K otr w/o insurance for cb400x (non abs)

 

Nc700x (abs) is 17.5k otr w/o insurance

 

For me, price wise - getting the nc700x seems more value for money. a bonus point is that there are a lot of accessories you can buy from overseas.

 

saw someone ride nc700, below the seat can put alot of things too.

[samurai8410]

saw the cb400x, cbr 400 and cbr 500 at i-motoring @ Jln Bukit Merah just now...

 

Was quoted 15.5K otr w/o insurance for cb400x (non abs)

 

Nc700x (abs) is 17.5k otr w/o insurance

 

For me, price wise - getting the nc700x seems more value for money. a bonus point is that there are a lot of accessories you can buy from overseas.

 

Class 2 and 2a is a whole diff story. Accrs both are quite similar or mayb the same. 400x insurance maintenance and roadtax should be cheaper..now pay insurance cant feel ar but when renewing that time quite tight (well, thats for me. )your price not including insurance yet

Singapore road everyday usage ,touring once in awhile , to me 400 is more than enough. Easy on the throttle is all we need. Because had enough of speed lol.

[samurai8410]

saw someone ride nc700, below the seat can put alot of things too.

 

Its the tank actually. Can fit whole full face helmet.

[PenangKia]

saw the cb400x, cbr 400 and cbr 500 at i-motoring @ Jln Bukit Merah just now...

 

Was quoted 15.5K otr w/o insurance for cb400x (non abs)

 

Nc700x (abs) is 17.5k otr w/o insurance

 

For me, price wise - getting the nc700x seems more value for money. a bonus point is that there are a lot of accessories you can buy from overseas.

 

For me, it is more of the Class 2A license limitation than any other reason for the selection of the CB400x. If I had access to the class 2 range, I would be looking at the new Hyperstrada. F800GS or SMT 990 for an adventure ride which handles well on the roads here.

 

My expectation is that the 400cc series would be a good placeholder ride offering plenty of usable power for city riding at permissible speeds. Might also work out to be a good value-for-money commuter for the general public as an alternative to the Super 4 for better fuel consumption.

[PenangKia]

saw the cb400x, cbr 400 and cbr 500 at i-motoring @ Jln Bukit Merah just now...

 

Was quoted 15.5K otr w/o insurance for cb400x (non abs)

 

Nc700x (abs) is 17.5k otr w/o insurance

 

For me, price wise - getting the nc700x seems more value for money. a bonus point is that there are a lot of accessories you can buy from overseas.

 

For me, it is more of the Class 2A license limitation than any other reason for the selection of the CB400x. If I had access to the class 2 range, I would be looking at the new Hyperstrada. F800GS or SMT 990 for an adventure ride which handles well on the roads here.

 

My expectation is that the 400cc series would be a good placeholder ride offering plenty of usable power for city riding at permissible speeds. Might also work out to be a good value-for-money commuter for the general public as an alternative to the Super 4 for better fuel consumption.