Inconsiderate Driving

[PMY]

Originally posted by OhMiGosh@May 18, 2007 12:58 am

hate this type of ppl who said "bikes shouldnt be on lane 1" then u should shoot him back.. "you shouldnt be travelling on lane 1 too, by law lane 1 is for overtaking and for emergency vehicle".

I had checked with TP that there is no such traffic rule that motorcycle cannot travel in rightmost lane or Lane 1 in the expressway or local road.

 

Motorcyclist also paid their road tax, we also had the right of way to travel in all lanes, except that we need to give way to emergency vehicle.

 

Travelling at 60km/h due to heavy traffic is not wrong, athough the speed limit for expressway is 80 to 90km/h, as long as we keep a safe following distance from the vehicle in front to anticipate any emergency braking arises.

 

TP can only advise that slow vehicle to travel at leftmost lane for your own safety and to avoid road hogging to other vehicle travelling in the fast lanes.

 

TP do not encourage motorcycle to travel at split lane which is very dangerously, in regardless of which lane you travel, but do encourage motorcycle to keep in the centre of the lane, so that the rear vehicle cannot overtake you dangerously from behind.

 

But for my case, this reckless driver had attempted to overtake me within the same lane dangerously from behind suddenly, especially motorcycle has no protection at all if got hit.

[LarryDK]

Correct Correct.

 

If you actually read those signs correctly, it should write, For slower vechicles and motorcycles. Thus the lane 1 motorcycle cannot enter doesn't exist, even so, some TP motor also take that lane, if its true, then they are in fault also.

 

The fact is lane 1 is used for overtaking and emergency usage. But during a tight traffic, it is safe to use. Also, the speed limit for expressway is around 90 km/h, if you are travelling around that speed at lane 1, nothing is wrong, and if someone wants to overtake you in a dangerous way, and create accident. he can be charge for speeding also.

 

I think if a driver is in hurry and wants to overtake motorcycle, just blink the hazard light, and I think its natural that we will filter left towards the 3rd lane to let him pass, not tailgating and forcing us to change lane.

[ah_tee]

the 90kmh is jus a guideline to me

 

 

because what we should be travelling is accoridng to the flow of the general traffic

 

 

 

if the general flow of lane 1 traffic is 110kmh, normally in the wee hrs when traffic is light

 

for example front veh infront of u is 110kmh, the veh behind u is also 110kmh, u shld travel at 110kmh, if u dun want to flout the rules, u shld move to lane 2

 

theres no such things as, i m going at the max legal speed limit so i can use lane 1, many pple have this sick mindset thats why sometimes u see 1 veh holding up an entire queue of veh behind during nearing peak hours, say ECP ard 7am, the flow is generally 100-110kmh on lane 1.

 

 

 

i have female friends who drive 90kmh on lane 1 when high beamed from the back, they jus curse n say i m 90kmh already, high beam for wad, i always tell them,u r road hogging, but they always insist 90kmh is not road hogging

 

 

 

i have ask tp b4, their reply was , irregardless of the speed of the veh behind u, u shld give way to them, cos its the overtaking lane

 

even if they travel at 300kmh, its up to TP to apprehend them, but it is still the veh infront duty to give way

 

 

for the slow veh n motorcycle sign, i have written many emails to LTA, they have replied that they be studying the feasibility of removing these signs as the technology of bikes has improved, as this signs were back as early as the 80s i think where, rxk were abundant and class 2 bikes u only see 3 times a yr

 

 

n its also NOT WRONG to use lane 1 as long as u r not holding up the traffic

[PMY]

Originally posted by LarryDK@May 18, 2007 10:20 am

Correct Correct.

 

If you actually read those signs correctly, it should write, For slower vechicles and motorcycles. Thus the lane 1 motorcycle cannot enter doesn't exist, even so, some TP motor also take that lane, if its true, then they are in fault also.

 

The fact is lane 1 is used for overtaking and emergency usage. But during a tight traffic, it is safe to use. Also, the speed limit for expressway is around 90 km/h, if you are travelling around that speed at lane 1, nothing is wrong, and if someone wants to overtake you in a dangerous way, and create accident. he can be charge for speeding also.

 

I think if a driver is in hurry and wants to overtake motorcycle, just blink the hazard light, and I think its natural that we will filter left towards the 3rd lane to let him pass, not tailgating and forcing us to change lane.

Absolutely agreed, you have the fully support of the 2-wheel vehicles (motorcycle)

[sikonesis]

why wait for something to happen?

 

even if you're already at 90km/h on lane 1, you're still going to be guilty of road

hogging if you're holding up traffic with nothing in front of you.

like whatever ah_tee said.

[mikeang33]

Originally posted by PMY@May 18, 2007 08:55 am

I had checked with TP that there is no such traffic rule that motorcycle cannot travel in rightmost lane or Lane 1 in the expressway or local road.

 

Motorcyclist also paid their road tax, we also had the right of way to travel in all lanes, except that we need to give way to emergency vehicle.

 

Travelling at 60km/h due to heavy traffic is not wrong, athough the speed limit for expressway is 80 to 90km/h, as long as we keep a safe following distance from the vehicle in front to anticipate any emergency braking arises.

 

TP can only advise that slow vehicle to travel at leftmost lane for your own safety and to avoid road hogging to other vehicle travelling in the fast lanes.

 

TP do not encourage motorcycle to travel at split lane which is very dangerously, in regardless of which lane you travel, but do encourage motorcycle to keep in the centre of the lane, so that the rear vehicle cannot overtake you dangerously from behind.

 

But for my case, this reckless driver had attempted to overtake me within the same lane dangerously from behind suddenly, especially motorcycle has no protection at all if got hit.

well when i travel on the centre of the lane, some idiot will still try to squeeze you out to split lane.

 

they still feel that they pay more road tax than riders so deserve more space.

 

some even felt that since they paid so much in road tax, they got to save on their battery and signal bulb life span by minimizing the use of signals.

 

worst some @@sshole felt that they deserve to drive like grand prix, in between the lane markings taking up 2 lanes...

 

koas!!

[PMY]

Originally posted by sikonesis@May 19, 2007 12:29 pm

why wait for something to happen?

 

even if you're already at 90km/h on lane 1, you're still going to be guilty of road

hogging if you're holding up traffic with nothing in front of you.

like whatever ah_tee said.

As long as the motorcycle keeps a safe following distance behind the vehicle due to heavy traffic, it is not consider as 'road hogging'.

 

Your mindset of road hogging need to be change, otherwise you may end up of committing inconsiderate driving or riding which is punishable under the Road Traffic Act.

 

Don't be the next reckless driver or rider, otherwise you will be sorry for your whole life and end up losing your hard earned wealth.

 

Don't act inhuman, this is my advise to you.

[PMY]

Originally posted by mikeang33@May 19, 2007 01:42 pm

well when i travel on the centre of the lane, some idiot will still try to squeeze you out to split lane.

 

they still feel that they pay more road tax than riders so deserve more space.

 

some even felt that since they paid so much in road tax, they got to save on their battery and signal bulb life span by minimizing the use of signals.

 

worst some @@sshole felt that they deserve to drive like grand prix, in between the lane markings taking up 2 lanes...

 

koas!!

Maintain riding at the center of the lane, don't give these reckless drivers any chance of overtaking you dangerously within the same lane you are travelling from behind.

 

Otherwise, you may end up like me with bruises and fractures, or even lose yor life for nothing.

 

Don't be bully by those inhuman drivers --> Show them you have the right of way using the road as you paid road tax also.

[sikonesis]

Originally posted by PMY+May 19, 2007 03:29 pm-->

QUOTE (PMY @ May 19, 2007 03:29 pm)

As long as the motorcycle keeps a safe following distance behind the vehicle due to heavy traffic, it is not consider as 'road hogging'.   Your mindset of road hogging need to be change, otherwise you may end up of committing inconsiderate driving or riding which is punishable under the Road Traffic Act.   Don't be the next reckless driver or rider, otherwise you will be sorry for your whole life and end up losing your hard earned wealth.   Don't act inhuman, this is my advise to you.[/b] i know. i never meant that. i never condoned tail-gating either.   all i'm saying is that, if the road is very open in front of you, and you're choosing to follow the speed limit, it's better to move to the next lane beside 1. like ah_tee said, the following is wrong mindset to adopt:

[PMY]

Originally posted by sikonesis@May 19, 2007 12:29 pm

why wait for something to happen?

 

even if you're already at 90km/h on lane 1, you're still going to be guilty of road

hogging if you're holding up traffic with nothing in front of you.

like whatever ah_tee said.

Better retake your RTT again.

[PMY]

Originally posted by sikonesis@May 19, 2007 03:43 pm

i know. i never meant that. i never condoned tail-gating either.

 

all i'm saying is that, if the road is very open in front of you, and you're choosing to

follow the speed limit, it's better to move to the next lane beside 1. like ah_tee said,

the following is wrong mindset to adopt:

 

 

 

by doing that, you expose yourself to the dangerous and impatient idiots who

might just choose to run you over, like the one you encountered. there's nothing

wrong with giving way, especially when it's your life at stake.

Road hogging does not apply when the traffic conditions is heavy whether you are in lane 1, 2 and 3.

 

In the expressway, lanes 2 and 3 also allow motorists to travel upto the speed limit 90km/h (

 

If the vehicle is blocking your way, why not you change lane, instead of causing other road user to change lane dangerously, just because of yourself being a reckless driver or speedster.

 

If you do not cherish your life, pls. don't ride on the road as you may endanger other road users life and their beloved ones.

 

Speeding is heavily punishable under the Road Traffic Act and will results your license being revoked and worst end up in jail with heavy fine.

 

May advise to u is to give up riding, rather causing risks to other road users.

[sikonesis]

Originally posted by PMY@May 19, 2007 09:55 pm

Road hogging does not apply when the traffic conditions is heavy whether you are in lane 1, 2 and 3.

 

In the expressway, lanes 2 and 3 also allow motorists to travel upto the speed limit 90km/h (

 

If the vehicle is blocking your way, why not you change lane, instead of causing other road user to change lane dangerously, just because of yourself being a reckless driver or speedster.

 

If you do not cherish your life, pls. don't ride on the road as you may endanger other road users life and their beloved ones.

 

Speeding is heavily punishable under the Road Traffic Act and will results your license being revoked and worst end up in jail with heavy fine.

 

May advise to u is to give up riding, rather causing risks to other road users.

dude. where do you see me advocating speeding, reckless driving/riding and not valuing

lives, whether they be mine or others?

 

neither did i mention anything about any vehicle being in the way.

 

please read, properly at least, before you shoot me down. if you prefer, we can take this

into private messaging or a coffee (my treat) before you brand me as a careless,

reckless rider from hell.

[PMY]

Originally posted by sikonesis@May 19, 2007 10:37 pm

dude. where do you see me advocating speeding, reckless driving/riding and not valuing

lives, whether they be mine or others?

 

neither did i mention anything about any vehicle being in the way.

 

please read, properly at least, before you shoot me down. if you prefer, we can take this

into private messaging or a coffee (my treat) before you brand me as a careless,

reckless rider from hell.

You still don't get it.

 

Go back and consult your riding instructor.

 

Just don't understand how you get your license.

[MrLau]

Originally posted by PMY@May 19, 2007 10:46 pm

You still don't get it.

 

Go back and consult your riding instructor.

 

Just don't understand how you get your license.

Thanks for share all these, but dont get into personal.

 

Please keep the discussion healthy, this has nothing to do with how we got our license.

 

Sad but true, the driving theory you learned from school, doesnt 100% applied on the road.

 

So be smart on the road, ride safe....

[OhMiGosh]

Originally posted by PMY@May 18, 2007 08:55 am

I had checked with TP that there is no such traffic rule that motorcycle cannot travel in rightmost lane or Lane 1 in the expressway or local road.

 

Motorcyclist also paid their road tax, we also had the right of way to travel in all lanes, except that we need to give way to emergency vehicle.

 

Travelling at 60km/h due to heavy traffic is not wrong, athough the speed limit for expressway is 80 to 90km/h, as long as we keep a safe following distance from the vehicle in front to anticipate any emergency braking arises.

 

TP can only advise that slow vehicle to travel at leftmost lane for your own safety and to avoid road hogging to other vehicle travelling in the fast lanes.

 

TP do not encourage motorcycle to travel at split lane which is very dangerously, in regardless of which lane you travel, but do encourage motorcycle to keep in the centre of the lane, so that the rear vehicle cannot overtake you dangerously from behind.

 

But for my case, this reckless driver had attempted to overtake me within the same lane dangerously from behind suddenly, especially motorcycle has no protection at all if got hit.

i never say cannot travel ar... i myself also travelling on lane one.. hmmmm maybe its good to know who are u talking to haha ;P

[PMY]

Originally posted by OhMiGosh@May 20, 2007 06:38 am

i never say cannot travel ar... i myself also travelling on lane one.. hmmmm maybe its good to know who are u talking to haha ;P

Who u think u r ???

 

Stop being arrogant !!!

 

I don't care a thing about who you r, Mr. A******