[Group] SUZUKI GSR 400/600

[yenyenpark]

so u guys recommend jus do the normal servicing which is change EO,plugs n oil filter issit? bout the performance 3 in 1 from OWS is not dat important right? coz my tinking is dat if i want to have performance,i need a PC3 n an aftermarket exhaust right?

 

get a R1

 

 

 

 

 

if you want better performance.. lolx.. jus joking..

[SparkerS1]

after our discussion, we dun recommend ICe Coolant.

 

If not mistaken, there are few riders using OWS, but pls DO NOT use OWS spark plugs bcos I read OWS spark plugs broke into half and dropped into ENgine Blok.

 

i using engineIce for 3yrs liao, no problem, can really feel the diff.

 

the OWS plugs story i also heard before, but so far no problem from riders for new batches of OWS plugs

[yenyenpark]

i using engineIce for 3yrs liao, no problem, can really feel the diff.

 

the OWS plugs story i also heard before, but so far no problem from riders for new batches of OWS plugs

 

hmm.. I many Super4 riders used Engine Ice and said it improved their performance. But this doesn't mean it's suitable for GSR400.. ANyway, welcome anyone who tried to share their experience.

 

for OWS spark plug thing, even they coming with new batch, I wont take the risk.. it's not cheap if anything happened to our engine esp EFI engine..

[Amsterdam_Virus]

jus came bck from doing servicing just now at unique..did the normal servicing - EO,plugs,oilfilter,clean airfilter n change headlight n pole lights..wanna do airhorn but realise oni got 1 braket wahahaha..any bros here selling sprockets oni?

[Guest motofreak]

Look at what i found....

 

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs250.snc1/9733_165735684446_783014446_3629576_5005353_n.jpg

 

Guess most of u know who it belongs to huh??

[Guest motofreak]

Its funny when u talk about a product and suddenly a stranger pops up and says its good. Still i dun see a need for antifreeze...

[IvikaRazI]

i using engineIce for 3yrs liao, no problem, can really feel the diff.

 

the OWS plugs story i also heard before, but so far no problem from riders for new batches of OWS plugs

 

hmm.. I many Super4 riders used Engine Ice and said it improved their performance. But this doesn't mean it's suitable for GSR400.. ANyway, welcome anyone who tried to share their experience.

 

for OWS spark plug thing, even they coming with new batch, I wont take the risk.. it's not cheap if anything happened to our engine esp EFI engine..

 

Can do a search on the web or in SBF. I posted somewhere about Engine Ice. The main use of coolant is to transfer heat away from the engine. So to have a fair and unbiased claims, temperature measruements needs to be taken in the enginbe block and not at the radiator temperature sensor.

 

Some magazine did a test in 2006, if I am not wrong. Engine Ics reading at the radiador side shows a lower reading then normal, aka bike temp reading. This is of course good news.....BUT at the engine side, its actually higher than other brands. If I am not wrong, this was caused by the anti-freeze in the mixture. In truth we do not need in our weather.

 

There is a performance boost because the engine is hotter than normal. If it stresses the engine in the long run, I don't know.

 

Found this http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/track-racing-mods/59594-laguna-seca-trackday.html

 

Quote from some of them:

 

"Engine Ice doesn't cool as well as water wetter with water. Its advantage is that it doesn't freeze over.

It will depend on the trackday organization. Most won't let you run engine ice because it is just as hard to clean up as glycol based coolants. Water wetter and water are easy to clean up."

 

"+1 on Waterwetter/Distilled water

Forget the Engine Ice idea. Most orgs who ban engine coolant will consider Engine Ice just as bad as coolant. "

 

 

 

As for spark plugs, its own preference. My thought is no need to change to iridium. Can save money to get other things. Iridium tends to burn hotter than original plugs.

Edited September 23, 2009 by IvikaRazI

[dinie]

Look at what i found....

 

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs250.snc1/9733_165735684446_783014446_3629576_5005353_n.jpg

 

Guess most of u know who it belongs to huh??

erm apple PIE anybody?

[SparkerS1]

But this doesn't mean it's suitable for GSR400..

 

for OWS spark plug thing, even they coming with new batch, I wont take the risk..

i used it on couple of bikes, so far no bad comments:thumb:

worth a try:thirsty:

i dun trust the plugs either:cool:

Its funny when u talk about a product and suddenly a stranger pops up and says its good....

haha, i happened to see it from the main forum page:P

gd to share nice product thou:cheer:

As for spark plugs, its own preference. My thought is no need to change to iridium. Can save money to get other things. Iridium tends to burn hotter than original plugs.

 

better firing and a bit of improvement in throttle response IMO when i using iridium plugs:cheers:

[IvikaRazI]

Anyone interested? Planning to get this item.

 

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/633009990369757451FXTEMP.jpg

 

Factory Effex Temperature Sticker

 

I dunno if Singapore got sell. The temperature range is just right.

[Seraph]

Paste where sia...not as if you can see the temperature when your engine is running. Best is buy those laser/infra-red industrial point-and-measure devices to get accurate point readings.

 

Reminds me of the temp sticker for fish tank to measure the temp of the water. Haha.

 

Just paste the pizza hut hot-or-not buttons on your bike la.

[IvikaRazI]

Paste where sia...not as if you can see the temperature when your engine is running. Best is buy those laser/infra-red industrial point-and-measure devices to get accurate point readings.

 

Reminds me of the temp sticker for fish tank to measure the temp of the water. Haha.

 

Just paste the pizza hut hot-or-not buttons on your bike la.

 

Can paste anywhere wat...engine or radiator. No need power. so when bike cooling can see how much hahahha. Its a very cheap alternative than infra red. I think can get 100 packs before can buy 1 good infra-red. hahaha

 

Ahhh now can paste on exhaist and see how hot they are hahaha.

[WildCard]

Can do a search on the web or in SBF. I posted somewhere about Engine Ice. The main use of coolant is to transfer heat away from the engine. So to have a fair and unbiased claims, temperature measruements needs to be taken in the enginbe block and not at the radiator temperature sensor.

 

Some magazine did a test in 2006, if I am not wrong. Engine Ics reading at the radiador side shows a lower reading then normal, aka bike temp reading. This is of course good news.....BUT at the engine side, its actually higher than other brands. If I am not wrong, this was caused by the anti-freeze in the mixture. In truth we do not need in our weather.

 

There is a performance boost because the engine is hotter than normal. If it stresses the engine in the long run, I don't know.

 

Found this http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/track-racing-mods/59594-laguna-seca-trackday.html

 

Quote from some of them:

 

"Engine Ice doesn't cool as well as water wetter with water. Its advantage is that it doesn't freeze over.

It will depend on the trackday organization. Most won't let you run engine ice because it is just as hard to clean up as glycol based coolants. Water wetter and water are easy to clean up."

 

"+1 on Waterwetter/Distilled water

Forget the Engine Ice idea. Most orgs who ban engine coolant will consider Engine Ice just as bad as coolant. "

 

 

 

As for spark plugs, its own preference. My thought is no need to change to iridium. Can save money to get other things. Iridium tends to burn hotter than original plugs.

 

 

Anti-freeze is essentially glycol.

Usuallt race tracks ban them cause glycol, being a lubricating agent as well as antifreeze, creates chaos when a bike lowsides and spills coolant all over the track. Why lubricating agent? Glycol gives an extra lube job on the water pump. In Singapore, glycol only serves to increase the boiling temp of water, which makes it a bit poor dissipating heat.

Most race / track bikes run straight distilled water or a simple anti-rust surfactant like WaterWetter.

We, being a non-temperate country, need not bother with anti-freeze at all.

 

In truth, WaterWetter is NOT a coolant. This is a common misunderstanding.

WaterWetter DOES not cool your bike. It only prevents the distilled water from corroding the internal metallic parts of the cooling system.

Its the distilled water that you mix it with that cools your bike by transferring heat away from the engine oil (thus importance of using pure distilled water and not tap water).

Wait, did I say heat away from engine oil?

Yes, the primary coolant of every bike, believe it or not, is your engine oil, by nature of being the only liquid that is in direct contact with your engine parts.

Water-based coolant is circulated but kept seperated away from direct contact with the engine and absorbs the heat away from EO (and some parts of the engine), thus the importance of choosing a good engine oil.

We pretty much have a similar cooling system to that of a nuclear reactor.

 

Temperature-to-performance ratio is a delicate compromise.

Too cold and your bike loses the ability to generate power efficiently.

Too hot, and your engine is actually wasting potential energy (your petrol) into more into heat instead of BHP.

 

Plugs-wise, iridium has nothing to do whether its hotter or not.

The temp range is the same (CR9E is the same as CR9EIX). The only diff is that the tip is made of a different material, where iridium lasts longer than the normal plugs.

[Seraph]

Can paste anywhere wat...engine or radiator. No need power. so when bike cooling can see how much hahahha. Its a very cheap alternative than infra red. I think can get 100 packs before can buy 1 good infra-red. hahaha

 

Ahhh now can paste on exhaist and see how hot they are hahaha.

 

How much is one?

[IvikaRazI]

Plugs-wise, iridium has nothing to do whether its hotter or not.

The temp range is the same (CR9E is the same as CR9EIX). The only diff is that the tip is made of a different material, where iridium lasts longer than the normal plugs.

 

Will iridium works better with higher grade of plug cables? Coz have heard bad stories of people ruining their pistons due to iridium. I'll sure stick with Denso or NGK if going for Iridium as they are a trusted brand.

 

I read on the net that colder plugs gives you more top end but in the long run will suck petrol like water. Thus mostly used on track. How true is this?

 

How much is one?

 

About USD$11++ (exclude shipping) per pack. 3 inside.

Edited September 24, 2009 by IvikaRazI

[-PiE-]

Look at what i found....

 

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs250.snc1/9733_165735684446_783014446_3629576_5005353_n.jpg

 

Guess most of u know who it belongs to huh??

 

:faint:

[Bone-Eticz]

As for spark plugs, its own preference. My thought is no need to change to iridium. Can save money to get other things. Iridium tends to burn hotter than original plugs.

 

But Iridium Plugs Last longer than normal Plugs that need to change every 40km intervals or For bike wise every 10km intervals.

 

Iridium Plugs can last up to 3yrs or 100km Which ever comes first & have been Pysically proven.

I mean u pay certain amount for the items to last longer than usual is better rather than u need to open up few screws, two signal covers, flip the tank & remove the giant round air-filter cover just to get the plugs outs ain't that easy for every 10km service, especially if ya trying to avoid rounded screw heads, broken bolts, overtread treads due to overtightening or screwing over screwing worse case fixing back covers inproperly can leads to gaps in betweens or hairlines cracks & the worst of them all -jeng jeng jenggg....."ACCIDENTLY SCRATCH THE TANK WITH THE SCREW-DRIVER" HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.... brrr ain't that a *****...

 

Well as stated "its own preference" I just sharing mine...

Peace..

Cheerio Mates...

[Bone-Eticz]

Anyone interested? Planning to get this item.

 

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/633009990369757451FXTEMP.jpg

 

Factory Effex Temperature Sticker

 

I dunno if Singapore got sell. The temperature range is just right.

 

Waste Money only my Green Packet Never Give, Want to waste money Buy this one....

 

Paste where sia...not as if you can see the temperature when your engine is running. Best is buy those laser/infra-red industrial point-and-measure devices to get accurate point readings.

 

Reminds me of the temp sticker for fish tank to measure the temp of the water. Haha.

 

Just paste the pizza hut hot-or-not buttons on your bike la.

 

Can be use to check body tempreture or even forhead

for fever...heheheheh:P

 

 

Can paste anywhere wat...engine or radiator. No need power. so when bike cooling can see how much hahahha. Its a very cheap alternative than infra red. I think can get 100 packs before can buy 1 good infra-red. hahaha

 

Ahhh now can paste on exhaist and see how hot they are hahaha.

 

In the first place why suzuki put a tempreture gauge on the meter board for dear?

 

- on the side note, Tempreture meter on board is also sensing the surrounding tempretusre so it's + - than the current reading...Thank You..

 

Cherio Mates...

[IvikaRazI]

But Iridium Plugs Last longer than normal Plugs that need to change every 40km intervals or For bike wise every 10km intervals.

 

Iridium Plugs can last up to 3yrs or 100km Which ever comes first & have been Pysically proven.

I mean u pay certain amount for the items to last longer than usual is better rather than u need to open up few screws, two signal covers, flip the tank & remove the giant round air-filter cover just to get the plugs outs ain't that easy for every 10km service, especially if ya trying to avoid rounded screw heads, broken bolts, overtread treads due to overtightening or screwing over screwing worse case fixing back covers inproperly can leads to gaps in betweens or hairlines cracks & the worst of them all -jeng jeng jenggg....."ACCIDENTLY SCRATCH THE TANK WITH THE SCREW-DRIVER" HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.... brrr ain't that a *****...

 

Well as stated "its own preference" I just sharing mine...

Peace..

Cheerio Mates...

 

With iridium, it is still advisable to take out the plugs and inspect over time. Do some plugs maintenance and put back again. I won't want to let something rot inside the engine and too late to salvage any damage done when the symptoms start showing. hahahha.

 

In other words...DON'T BE LAZY hahahha.

 

Waste Money only my Green Packet Never Give, Want to waste money Buy this one....

 

 

 

Can be use to check body tempreture or even forhead

for fever...heheheheh:P

 

 

 

 

In the first place why suzuki put a tempreture gauge on the meter board for dear?

 

- on the side note, Tempreture meter on board is also sensing the surrounding tempretusre so it's + - than the current reading...Thank You..

 

Cherio Mates...

 

It shows a green packet type of colour. So I shall say yes its green packet.

 

But still not on the radiator itself. These stickers are used mainly on scramblers that do not have temperature gauge. Anyway many are using it for other purpose. Can be mounted at the side of the engine to monitor the temperature. A temperature gauge is too freaking ex to get. If I can get a temperature gauge, will want to mount it on all four headers to monitor the output.

 

And yes can be used to check your body temperature. IF you dun mind having something stuck to your forehead hahahha. NOT this model as it starts at 65 degree Celsius. If the temperature lights up at that portion, YOU ARE DEAD hahahha.

[testamant]

With iridium, it is still advisable to take out the plugs and inspect over time. Do some plugs maintenance and put back again. I won't want to let something rot inside the engine and too late to salvage any damage done when the symptoms start showing. hahahha.

 

In other words...DON'T BE LAZY hahahha.

 

 

 

It shows a green packet type of colour. So I shall say yes its green packet.

 

But still not on the radiator itself. These stickers are used mainly on scramblers that do not have temperature gauge. Anyway many are using it for other purpose. Can be mounted at the side of the engine to monitor the temperature. A temperature gauge is too freaking ex to get. If I can get a temperature gauge, will want to mount it on all four headers to monitor the output.

 

And yes can be used to check your body temperature. IF you dun mind having something stuck to your forehead hahahha. NOT this model as it starts at 65 degree Celsius. If the temperature lights up at that portion, YOU ARE DEAD hahahha.

 

 

For the forehead temp i have but up to 29 deg.hahaaha,as for the temp poison i on.haahahaha:)

[Bone-Eticz]

Will iridium works better with higher grade of plug cables? Coz have heard bad stories of people ruining their pistons due to iridium. I'll sure stick with Denso or NGK if going for Iridium as they are a trusted brand.

 

I read on the net that colder plugs gives you more top end but in the long run will suck petrol like water. Thus mostly used on track. How true is this?

 

 

 

About USD$11++ (exclude shipping) per pack. 3 inside.

 

Currently the ignitions systems we are using are called Igniters which is pluged on to the sparks plugs, once the sparks plugs are screwed on top of the cyclinder head & the tempreture it can witstands ranges is around 160° F to 165° F - best esitimations & connect to the wire-harness...

 

No more cables + seperated ignition coils except old bikes + cars...

 

 

USD$11++ wheres my green packet...

 

Cheerio Mate...

[IvikaRazI]

Another poison but dunno appropriate or not hahahah

 

 

Innovative folding hanger, HangFlex makes hanging clothes easier, faster and more efficient, while saving closet space. The patented one button release helps avoid stretching of the collars.

Most beneficial for clothes with small neck span, such as t-shirts, knits, dress shirts, or turtlenecks.

 

Another one

 

http://www.campingworld.co.uk/Images/Models/Original/219.jpg

Edited September 24, 2009 by IvikaRazI

[Bone-Eticz]

With iridium, it is still advisable to take out the plugs and inspect over time. Do some plugs maintenance and put back again. I won't want to let something rot inside the engine and too late to salvage any damage done when the symptoms start showing. hahahha.

 

In other words...DON'T BE LAZY hahahha.

 

 

 

It shows a green packet type of colour. So I shall say yes its green packet.

 

But still not on the radiator itself. These stickers are used mainly on scramblers that do not have temperature gauge. Anyway many are using it for other purpose. Can be mounted at the side of the engine to monitor the temperature. A temperature gauge is too freaking ex to get. If I can get a temperature gauge, will want to mount it on all four headers to monitor the output.

 

And yes can be used to check your body temperature. IF you dun mind having something stuck to your forehead hahahha. NOT this model as it starts at 65 degree Celsius. If the temperature lights up at that portion, YOU ARE DEAD hahahha.

 

I do agree with you on that indeed, but it safe to say if they keep a good records on the maintenance schedule service for example every 10km replace engine oil oil filters & every 40km replace sparks plugs, fuel filters & brakes fluids It should'nt be giving u any problem is the plugs are in good shape & fix in properly, as you know not every time u'll fix sumthing u wil get the same technician that can fix it the right way unless u request for that same person to do a good job....

 

 

To be Continued...Im Going for Lunch....

Time stated 1331hrs...

Jemput makan....

Cheerio Mates...

[WildCard]

Will iridium works better with higher grade of plug cables? Coz have heard bad stories of people ruining their pistons due to iridium. I'll sure stick with Denso or NGK if going for Iridium as they are a trusted brand.

 

I'm not sure about cables part. I've heard of NGK racing spark cables but never gave it a thought.

But there is another mod you can give a go.

Its actually like the horn relay installation.

Worth 1-2 BHP but only costs $5 max.

Done it before and took about 1 hour.

If you are daring:

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80537

 

Read from post #32 onwards.

The example setup is for a twin engine. A small amendment is needed for a inline-four.

 

Do this and you can say, "To hell with all those grounding bullcrap!".

This stuff really worked for me.

I never had a engine start failure anymore after that.

While all my fren's TLRs all had to press 2-3 times to start, I only needed one press to fire mine up.

 

 

 

The stories you heard are prolly of OWS and Hodaka brand plugs.

Quite a big issue that time. One S4 had to do overhaul but MW paid for it since its their product and installed by them.

Otherwise, original NGK and Denso iridiums should have no issues. I've used NGK iridiums from LAB on my TLR for years with no issues at all.

 

I read on the net that colder plugs gives you more top end but in the long run will suck petrol like water. Thus mostly used on track. How true is this?

 

As far as I know, the concept of hot / cold plugs are based older carb bikes where its quite difficult to tune aged bikes.

Older bikes tend to leak small amounts of EO after a while so it will tend to foul plugs easily. Since its hard to compensate by tuning carbs (its really impossible to tune carbs correctly at anything below 6500 RPM), usually hotter plugs are used to reduce the fouling.

Colder plugs are used if the setup is much more lean, which is probably the logical setup for most race bikes (lean to push for max BHP and fuel efficiency).

 

In this age of custom tuning and dynamic mappings, hot / cold plugs play a lesser role unless one is a strict non-modder (totally stock bike, no remaps, no aftermarket parts) and requires different plug ratings to match the engine setup. Also, bikes with some severe oil leakage issues in the piston area and do not wish to have it repaired for financial reasons can opt for a cheaper workaround with different plug ratings.

[yenyenpark]

Currently the ignitions systems we are using are called Igniters which is pluged on to the sparks plugs, once the sparks plugs are screwed on top of the cyclinder head & the tempreture it can witstands ranges is around 160° F to 165° F - best esitimations & connect to the wire-harness...

 

No more cables + seperated ignition coils except old bikes + cars...

 

 

USD$11++ wheres my green packet...

 

Cheerio Mate...

 

the ignition costs about $100 each if not mistaken. I met a guy changing his for his Fazer 1000. if change 4 then it will be $400!!!

 

Not sure they are the same as ours??