[Discussion] CB400 SUPER FOUR HYPER VTEC Revo

[SparkerS1]

It is true there were clutch slip issues about 10-15 years ago when fully synthetic oils for cars contained "energy efficient" additives. This is how the rumours started years ago and oil companies latched on to maximise profit. They then started bottling motorcycle specific oils which are priced to much more than car oils. However, you can find many good oils from the major oil companies that do not contain "Energy Efficient" additives. These oils such as Mobil 1 are suitable for bikes.

 

Fast forward years later, with advances in r&d and technology. Now a days, additives ve been "improved" to e extent tat "often" both car and bike oil uses e same additives. Reason being e additives ve evolved into a composite type which contains properties required by e different recipes.

But still try at ur own risk. I do it becoz i ve e know how pple advising me. I ve already stated becoz tat i am not a technical rider. Meaning i only ride but everything else i dunno much.

Motorcycle Oil or Car Oil???

Nowadays, engine technology and oil technology have advanced requiring less frequent oil changes under normal driving conditions.

 

Motorcycle engine oil is required to lubricate the engine, transmission, and the clutch (with the exception of bikes with dry clutches).

Motorcycles require very little and/or no friction modifiers to help improve clutch friction and to prevent clutch slippage.

But to make up for this lack of friction modifiers, motorcycle oils use higher levels of anti-wear additives such as ZDDP, also known as phosphorous, to limit engine friction and wear.

Motorcycle oil has extra anti-wear additives and is lubricating so much more than automotive oil.

 

"Car-derived" motor oils are designed just for engines

The relevant oil companies then develop and test automotive oils for motorcycle use.

 

A properly specified motorcycle oil will still allow for the appropriate lubrication and cooling of a motorcycle clutch, whilst maintaining 100% of the drive to be transmitted by the clutch, even under arduous operating conditions.

 

The Japanese Automotive Standards Organization (JASO) has created their own set of performance and quality standards for petrol engines of Japanese origin.

 

For four-stroke gasoline engines, the JASO T904 standard is used, and is particularly relevant to motorcycle engines.

The JASO T904-MA and MA2 standards are designed to distinguish oils that are approved for wet clutch use, and the JASO T904-MB standard is not suitable for wet clutch use.

 

For two-stroke gasoline engines, the JASO M345 (FA, FB, FC) standard is used, and this refers particularly to low ash, lubricity, detergency, low smoke and exhaust blocking.

These standards, especially JASO-MA and JASO-FC, are designed to address oil-requirement issues not addressed by the API service categorie

 

One element of the JASO-MA standard is a friction test designed to determine suitability for wet clutch usage.

An oil that meets JASO-MA is considered appropriate for wet clutch operations. Oils marketed as motorcycle-specific will carry the JASO-MA label.

 

JASO MA and JASO MA2 standard ensure that engine oil is free of friction modifiers and is fit to be used in motorcycle engines.

If there is no mention of JASO MA specification on the bottle of engine oil then do not buy it, irrespective how many praises you might hear from its seller.

 

 

ehow website regarding car/motorcycle engine oil here

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5954408_car-oil-vs_-motorcycle-oil.html

 

Function

Unlike cars, most motorcycles use the same oil supply for the transmission as they do the engine.

 

Considerations

The constant meshing of gears in a motorcycle's transmission tends to break oil down faster than normal operation in a car engine, which is why motorcycles require a specially formulated oil.

 

Effects

When exposed to extreme heat and pressure, the oil's molecular structure begins to break down into its component parts, thinning the oil and reducing its ability to lubricate. This is true of both auto and motorcycle oils.

 

Additives

Oil companies introduce a number of additives to motorcycle oils that car oils do not have, including PTFE, also known as Teflon, which coats the gears to reduce friction. This reduced friction and subsequent heat reduction helps to reduce oil breakdown.

 

Oil Friction

Aside from their increased friction reduction, motorcycle oils have a clear advantage when used in bikes with wet (oil submerged) clutches. The friction modifiers in motorcycle oil help to prevent clutch slippage, which automotive oils actually encourage.

 

 

ehow website regarding the difference between car/motorcycle engine oil here

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5820051_differences-motorcycle-oil-car-oil.html

 

Cost Considerations

Motorcycle-specific oil costs are on average 120 percent of what they are for car oils. If you buy from a motorcycle dealer, the costs can be up to 300 percent or higher.

 

Viscosity Retention

The manufacturers of motorcycle oils claim polymer additives they use make their products more shear-stable, but no studies to date actually support this claim, and one study by Professor John Woolum of California State University actually finds against the claim.

 

Wet Clutches and Additives

Car oils may contain additives such as molybdenum disulphide or buffering agents such as boron or calcium that can interfere with your motorcycle engine's smooth operation and cause clutch slippage.

 

Environmental Considerations

The requirement for a special motorcycle lubricant is influenced by the average temperature range in the place where you drive. If you tend to drive in either extremely hot or extremely cold weather, car oils may not provide the viscosity grade your motorcycle engine needs.

 

Frequency of Oil Change

Manufacturers recommend that because of the higher heat and faster breakdown of lubricant viscosity, oil should be changed more frequently in motorcycles than in cars. Lubricants designed specifically for motorcycles tend to last slightly longer before breaking down than comparable car oils.

 

More info here here

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Motorcycle_Oil_FAQs.aspx

When buying engine oils, look for the API Seal and make sure it doesn't have "Energy Conserving" stated on the seal.

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I do know some uses automotive oil for motorcycle.

I still go for motorcycle 4T engine oil for 4 stroke motorcycles.

 

It all boils down to Individual preference.

Bro issit the racewerks race recalibrator?

No, it's a different component.

[54321]

Any bro out there know how to differentiate spec3 original headlight and Chiong headlight ?

[xiaoyuer1988]

bros, wanna ask, a tyre can b patched hw many times?

[confusehaha]

If I am not wrong u can determine by the brand stanley for orginal on the circumference of the headlight.

Any bro out there know how to differentiate spec3 original headlight and Chiong headlight ?

[StrongBow]

YAY GUYS! I enrolled my 2A alrdy! One small step closer to u guys. Woohoo!

[Mdreza]

Need opinion . What's different between moriwaki & yoshimura ? Because need reviews from riders before purchase.

[xiaoyuer1988]

YAY GUYS! I enrolled my 2A alrdy! One small step closer to u guys. Woohoo!

Which driving centre ar bro?

[kelena]

YAY GUYS! I enrolled my 2A alrdy! One small step closer to u guys. Woohoo!

 

have you done your theory lessons and booked your TP date already?

[StrongBow]

I enrolled in bbdc!

Tmr my theory! So only can book tp tmr after theory. Will let u know soon kelena!

[kelena]

I enrolled in bbdc!

Tmr my theory! So only can book tp tmr after theory. Will let u know soon kelena!

 

Thanks buddy! My enrollment will be on Friday!! So excited!! Who knows, I might see u there!

[StrongBow]

Haha. Sure sure! I'm fat n ride a black pulsar180 hehe

[xiaoyuer1988]

Bro strongbow hw old r u?

[StrongBow]

I'm two years younger than u! 1990!

[danielling1981]

I'm two years younger than u! 1990!

 

I feel so old sia.

[StrongBow]

Haha lac ahhh. Daniel bro. Everyone turns old eventually! no one remains young forever. But u do have alot of wisdom and knowledge in exchange for ur age. So it's worth it!

[danielling1981]

Haha lac ahhh. Daniel bro. Everyone turns old eventually! no one remains young forever. But u do have alot of wisdom and knowledge in exchange for ur age. So it's worth it!

 

Thanks for e compliment.

 

Ve been feeling old for a long while le. More than 5years ba. Some of e things i talk about especially in e other threads r mostly philosophy and my principles la. Often is just BS to other pple.

 

But one thing is c something wrong, speak up. Now at least i learn to control and do it more gently. In e past 5yrs ago still too strongheaded.

[StrongBow]

Thanks for e compliment.

 

Ve been feeling old for a long while le. More than 5years ba. Some of e things i talk about especially in e other threads r mostly philosophy and my principles la. Often is just BS to other pple.

 

But one thing is c something wrong, speak up. Now at least i learn to control and do it more gently. In e past 5yrs ago still too strongheaded.

 

Haha maybe not everyone accepts judgement and criticism well through the internet bah. And tones of conversation can be very misleading too. Since u can't actually hear the other party. And on the internet some ppl just act damn guailan as there won't be any consequences. Dun worry! U can share ur philosophies with me one day when we meet up! Hehe.

[muhammad hakim]

I think its stand throttle positioning system.. I change it for $180

hi bro @a'fi, just want to ask, UM Changed ur TPS. They really change or do some tuning. Because i have this problem b4, and they said need to JUST tuning. Yup, the price $180 are the same. Bike a MUST to stay in. maybe 2, 3 days?

 

bro' date=' i go to unique.. he mentioned my TPS spoilt. and after replace it, my idling is back to normal..[/quote']

As what bro @ramsnake mention, if they really changed ur TPS. May i know what brand is it? Ori or aftermarket???

 

Urgent help needed.. My revo idling meter is about 0.5 tdy and whenever i change gear the engine died.. Acan anyone share some insights on what happen and what the remedy before i got unique in the afternoon..

same same like my bike b4, so now urs are okay already. Any warranty given?

 

Thanks, Arlwynn. Will contact you when I return from the Langkawi International Charity Ride

 

 

Good for you! I think it's a reasonable price for the TPS. One of our bro here faced the same issue with his bike. Unfortunately for him, Boon Siew told him the he can't just change the TPS and they changed the entire throttle body for him. If I'm not mistaken, they charged him $1.2k for it!

 

@SparkerS1 Could you post this info in the FAQ thread so future owners would know where to go? Thks.

Hey bro @ramsnake, seems interesting group touring. Langkawi International Charity Ride, a little bit up ride will be Thailand border.

Hope u guys come back safe later on, and dont forget to share with our REVORIANS here.

 

YES $1.2K! Sent bike to Honda Agent, Boon Siew Singapore Pte Ltd. Because i TRUST them. Check Engine Cannot Start, Replace Throttle Body And Spark Plugs $120. Throttle Body Assy 1 Pc $1,079.60 10% off = $971.64. CR8EH9 NGK Spark Plug 4 Ea $10 10% off = $36. Total $1,127.64, ADD GST @ 7% = $78.93. TOTAL INC GST $1,206.57.

Edited June 9, 2012 by muhammad hakim

[muhammad hakim]

bros, wanna ask, a tyre can b patched hw many times?

Tyre can b patched many many times bro, but it is not safe to ride with that type of conditions. Max so far i got 3 patched / worms. It will nvr last long as ur mileage increase. Soon u will need to pump more frequently as it wears. Hope it helps..

[muhammad hakim]

@SparkerS1, Ups to u bro. I 101% support u. Better use Motorcycle Oil than Car Oil for OUR bike. Better be safe than soory for the ENGINES. I also want to share somethings with u guys, actually i have tried using Car Engine Oil too... but to my 2B Kawasaki KRR bike:angel: Oil used are Shell Helix. Tried ONCE ONLY. But in my case, it is not because of the cheaper engine oil price. Purchased it at Shell Petrol Kiosk. In fact 1L is around $27 if im not wrong. Reason are, to feel the differents engine works on CAR OIL. Test if my bike can feel lighter at higher speed and can be fast as the Ferrari. CRAP!!! Btw guys, Engine can run into ANY OIL, including USED COOKING OIL! But Again, its up to Individual preference. Enjoy the Video

[thatguyhaikal]

bro thatguyhaikal ur bike is fully paid?

Nope. Used for about 10 mnths ony.

[xiaoyuer1988]

Tyre can b patched many many times bro, but it is not safe to ride with that type of conditions. Max so far i got 3 patched / worms. It will nvr last long as ur mileage increase. Soon u will need to pump more frequently as it wears. Hope it helps..

I very suay nia. I change a new M5 tyre. Bt within one week, gt a nail stuck inside liao. Wha heart pain nia.

[urbanfighter]

Need opinion . What's different between moriwaki & yoshimura ? Because need reviews from riders before purchase.

Yoshi thebest imo...u selling ur yoshi? Msg u but no reply..

[StrongBow]

Hey kelena. I booked my tp alrdy. 3rd sept. lol. 3 months sia. zzzz

[xiaoyuer1988]

Hey kelena. I booked my tp alrdy. 3rd sept. lol. 3 months sia. zzzz

Bro u finish ur practical lesson aready?