[Group] SUZUKI Bandit

[S750WP]

Originally posted by jkaiser@Feb 16 2005, 03:00 PM

costs more than the plates? hmm so the idea is change plates will improve the situation but it wun be solved until u change the sleeves too?

 

i using royal purple...full syn...cheap lah..no money...10 bucks per 900ml

Margaret quote me $250 to change the clutch plates and clutch sleeve hub.

 

Assume the following price at Guan Hoe

 

Engine oil 3L, $18 * 3 = $54

Clutch Plates $85

Gasket $7

Workmanship $49

 

Then clutch sleeve hub will be $104. Have you tried using better fully syn oil? it helps in clutch shifting and I have read some riders avoid expensive repair by changing to better oil. I have tried Repsol fully syn on mine and it doesnt help in gear shifting when the bike is hot during traffic jam however engine very smooth compare to Total 4T.

 

My haynes manual says if indention are deep on the clutch housing they can prevent clutch release, which means the clutch plate are still engage when you clutch in which make gear shifting difficult, and it must be replace. If the indention can be remove easily with a file the housing life span can be extend.

[S750WP]

Originally posted by RG@Feb 16 2005, 04:05 PM

Even if u ask Mr Han(the boss), he'll tell u the same thing.

By the way, Hazzan is not new, in fact he is quite experienced.

Most bike shop will tell you to change because they make more $$.

 

I prefer bike shop which check the parts to see if its spoilt before advicing the customer need to change or not. And I have read planet motorcycle will not change parts unneccessarily, unless its unrepairable.

[S750WP]

Originally posted by DREAM_MACHINE@Feb 16 2005, 06:18 PM

I'm also having the same clutch problems..i wonder watz needed to be change..

upgear is easy..but down gear kinda hard..

the bike also move jus a bit when engaging gear one..

I'm using Castrol HD engine oil..$20 for 5 ltrs.

Wanna check wit u guys,where are ur I.U units mounted?on the side wit bracket?

I'm looking for bracket to mount the I.U on the center(like S4)..any lobangs?or do i hav to go custom make one?

Have you check your clutch cable free play? Try to use better engine oil (e.g Mobil, Fuchs, Motul Fully syn oil before going for the more expensive repair e.g replacing the clutch plates?

 

Go to Mah motor, opp SLT, they sell the IU bracket for $15, I got mine installed there. If not can ask the Super 4 forummer, they use the pipe clamp, $3 to mount their IU unit on the handle bar.

[S750WP]

Went to SLT and got all the capactors, even the high temp ones 105 degree c is available. Check the new capacitors, they too exhibit high resistance at first and the value slowly dropping, maybe the old capacitors are ok. Anyway going to solder them on the board this sunday, should be very easy because there is a soldering station at my work place.

 

Saw the casing at SLT, couldn't find the size I want, may need to get a slightly bigger one to see if can fit under the seat once the board is tested ok on the bike.

[S750WP]

My spare CDI board which I have already desolder the capacitor. The second picture I draw red arrow to show where the old caps used to be.

 

http://www.picturesky.com/albums/userpics/11010/normal_CDI%20001.jpg

 

http://www.picturesky.com/albums/userpics/11010/normal_CDI%20003.jpg

[DatsunKing]

Originally posted by S750WP@Feb 16 2005, 08:38 PM

My spare CDI board which I have already desolder the capacitor. The second picture I draw red arrow to show where the old caps used to be.

 

http://www.picturesky.com/albums/userpics/11010/normal_CDI%20001.jpg

 

http://www.picturesky.com/albums/userpics/11010/normal_CDI%20003.jpg

Ya my capacitor also same location as urs... The casing after solder i just use black tape tape all over... dunno how long it will last... hehehehe...

[chee_teck]

Originally posted by jkaiser@Feb 16 2005, 03:00 PM

costs more than the plates? hmm so the idea is change plates will improve the situation but it wun be solved until u change the sleeves too?

 

i using royal purple...full syn...cheap lah..no money...10 bucks per 900ml

Where u buy tht royal purple ar?

 

Gary: How is CDI project?sucessful? .... damn i work 15 hours a day man....dunno when got time to meet up

 

Kenneth

[kata_killer]

Originally posted by DatsunKing@Feb 16 2005, 01:42 AM

BTW when you free? i wanna fix the horn... U still have?

As for d horns, I left wif one set. Currently, wanting for them to sent over....

 

I pass to U my Used CDI on my next DIY session...

[kata_killer]

Originally posted by S750WP@Feb 16 2005, 05:54 AM

How is your gear shifting after you change the clutch plate at planet motorcycles, did you change the clutch spring and clutch release bearing?

Better but he told me my clutch hosing is gone. Tat happen 3 mth back...

 

I just got a few items for K.S motorcycles company today.

 

Clutch Housing X1 - 21200-34843 - $170

Clutch Cable X1 - 582000-100 - $20

Clutch Release X1 - 23200-3200 - $32

Clutch Casket X1 - 11482-32011 - $10

Clutch Spring X5 - 09440-15031 - $20

 

Total $252

 

Hope this price list n product no will help u guys if u wanna buy these product.

Going to change these stuff tat i brought today on this Sat. Will give U guys a feedback when install.

[kata_killer]

Originally posted by chee_teck@Feb 17 2005, 01:23 AM

Where u buy tht royal purple ar?

 

Gary: How is CDI project?sucessful? .... damn i work 15 hours a day man....dunno when got time to meet up

 

Kenneth

It's okay. If ure boss dun pay U OT, tell me, I go MOM complain him... Make our poor Gary super overwork...

[imported_DREAM_MACHINE]

Go to Mah motor, opp SLT, they sell the IU bracket for $15, I got mine installed there. If not can ask the Super 4 forummer, they use the pipe clamp, $3 to mount their IU unit on the handle bar.

 

S750WP>>u mean urs is the center bracket?

[S750WP]

Originally posted by kata_killer@Feb 17 2005, 01:33 AM

Better but he told me my clutch hosing is gone. Tat happen 3 mth back...

 

I just got a few items for K.S motorcycles company today.

 

Clutch Housing X1 - 21200-34843 - $170

Clutch Cable X1 - 582000-100 - $20

Clutch Release X1 - 23200-3200 - $32

Clutch Casket X1 - 11482-32011 - $10

Clutch Spring X5 - 09440-15031 - $20

 

Total $252

 

Hope this price list n product no will help u guys if u wanna buy these product.

Going to change these stuff tat i brought today on this Sat. Will give U guys a feedback when install.

The clutch housing is ex!!! and the repair not yet include engine oil change and workmanship.

 

Do you hear a slight rattling sound during idle coming from your bike and when you clutch in the sound will be gone? tell tale sign of clutch housing worn out and bike shop commonly called it clutch housing loose.

[S750WP]

Originally posted by DREAM_MACHINE@Feb 17 2005, 08:43 AM

Go to Mah motor, opp SLT, they sell the IU bracket for $15, I got mine installed there. If not can ask the Super 4 forummer, they use the pipe clamp, $3 to mount their IU unit on the handle bar.

 

S750WP>>u mean urs is the center bracket?

Mine is mounted on the handle bar clamp, they remove one of the screw and mount the IU holder there. The centre one should have also but I didn;t ask Jefferey how much is it.

[sgss]

Originally posted by silver@Feb 9 2005, 02:58 PM

Hi sgss,

 

hard to meet another 600 rider. I usually see the 1200 bandit.

can see that you are riding the generation2 bandit.

Mine is the 1st generation (got to call her jie jie)

silver,

maybe got to see your bike to compare, cuz i got no knowledge of bandit/suzuki at all. i used to ride hornet 600 till i sold it. just take over this 600 from my bro few months back only.

just got my fork stuffs done at planet motor. not sure y but still feels the suspension not good esp when i turn (i don't do cornering )

[S750WP]

Originally posted by chee_teck@Feb 17 2005, 01:23 AM

Where u buy tht royal purple ar?

 

Gary: How is CDI project?sucessful? .... damn i work 15 hours a day man....dunno when got time to meet up

 

Kenneth

Get something better to pamper your engine lah, work so much OT. Try Motul300v, Fuch Pro4 plus or Redline engine oil, hearing good feedback on these oil.

 

Going to solder the capacitors this sunday when I go to work, hopefully it will work and I will have a spare CDI..

[S750WP]

Originally posted by sgss@Feb 17 2005, 09:09 AM

silver,

maybe got to see your bike to compare, cuz i got no knowledge of bandit/suzuki at all. i used to ride hornet 600 till i sold it. just take over this 600 from my bro few months back only.

just got my fork stuffs done at planet motor. not sure y but still feels the suspension not good esp when i turn (i don't do cornering )

GO back and complain to the boss Ah Chong. Anyway the Bandit fork spring are weak in the first place, if got $$ can change to a better after market one. I read from the old Bandit post there is a guy, DCspare, selling off his Bandit fork spring and rear shock for Bandit1200 maybe can fit onto your bike.

[jkaiser]

Originally posted by S750WP@Feb 17 2005, 09:10 AM

Get something better to pamper your engine lah, work so much OT. Try Motul300v, Fuch Pro4 plus or Redline engine oil, hearing good feedback on these oil.

 

Going to solder the capacitors this sunday when I go to work, hopefully it will work and I will have a spare CDI..

if use better oil in ecchange for not changing clutch housing...i think forget it..since better oil is only temp solution

 

chee_teck...RP oil @ tanjong pagar plaza

[S750WP]

Originally posted by jkaiser@Feb 17 2005, 01:41 PM

if use better oil in ecchange for not changing clutch housing...i think forget it..since better oil is only temp solution

 

chee_teck...RP oil @ tanjong pagar plaza

 

Hard to shift gear may not be just your clutch housing or clutch plate worn, it maybe the low grade of oil you are using. And changing to a better oil may solve your problem. You maybe surprise your clutch plate may still look brand new when you take them out.

 

Even though you change new housing and clutch plate but still continue to use low grade of engine oil you will still experience difficult is gear shifting. Get my drift?

 

Btw good oil protect your engine and save you $$ for engine overhaul in the long term, its your call.

[imported_DREAM_MACHINE]

Wats the best oil to use?any recommends bros?

[S750WP]

Yee ha...I just open the clutch cover and remove all the clutch plate

 

Tools needed for the operation

 

5mm allen key

8mm wrench

17mm wrench

21mm wrench

Rubber mallet

Cable tie x 2

Oil container

Rags

 

You will be surprise changing clutch plate is easier than removing the carburetor.

 

Procedures

 

a. Park the bike on side stand and drain the engine oil, use 21mm wrench for the drain bolt.

b. Loosen and remove the 5mm allen bolts, take note 2 of the bolts are longer, mark those.

c. Tap around the clutch cover with mallet to loosen it up and remove the cover

d. Hold the generator rotor with 17mm wrench and loosen the pressure plate 8mm bolts in a criss cross manner.

e. Remove the 8mm bolts, spring and specer.

f. Remove the clutch plates one by one and arrange them in order then secure it in a bundle with cable tie so you can remember the order of installation later.

 

Preliminary inspection

 

a. The gasket is in one piece and reuseable

b. Clutch release bearing in good condition

c. Clutch spring all the same length will check the spec of the serviceable length

d. The metal plate no burnt mark, will check on my mosac with feeler gauge

e. The fibre material plate looks very thin and some of them very dry, will measure to confirm

f. The clutch housing looks normal to me couldn't feel any burs on then, will check throughly again.

[S750WP]

Originally posted by DREAM_MACHINE@Feb 17 2005, 04:09 PM

Wats the best oil to use?any recommends bros?

Fuch Pro plus, Motul300V, Redline engine oil. All this oil cost $20 and above per litre.

[S750WP]

Btw you need to have clutch sleeve holder if you want to change the clutch sleeve housing. I tried engaging first gear and jam on my rear brake still the housing will turn. The holder can be fabricated with 2 long piece of metal plates according to my haynes manual.

 

And to remove the primary gear, the outer housing, for inspection the generator needs to be remove first and that requires another special tool.

[S750WP]

http://www.picturesky.com/albums/userpics/11010/normal_clutch_plates.jpg

The clutch plates, spring, push rod, bearing and pressure plate.

 

Found only the inner most metal plate got 2 burnt mark and one layer of black coating(I suspect its the fibre material) which I wipe off easily. The burnt mark I use scotch brite to polish off.

[kata_killer]

Originally posted by S750WP@Feb 17 2005, 08:59 AM

Do you hear a slight rattling sound during idle coming from your bike and when you clutch in the sound will be gone? tell tale sign of clutch housing worn out and bike shop commonly called it clutch housing loose.

I hear a slight rattling sound during idle coming out from my bike and when I clutch in, more worst... tat y i need to chaNGE those stuff.

[jkaiser]

Originally posted by S750WP@Feb 17 2005, 01:59 PM

Hard to shift gear may not be just your clutch housing or clutch plate worn, it maybe the low grade of oil you are using. And changing to a better oil may solve your problem. You maybe surprise your clutch plate may still look brand new when you take them out.

 

Even though you change new housing and clutch plate but still continue to use low grade of engine oil you will still experience difficult is gear shifting. Get my drift?

 

Btw good oil protect your engine and save you $$ for engine overhaul in the long term, its your call.

ok i'm not sure about this, but y do u assume that RP is poor oil... pampering bike is one thing, but @ the expense of burning ur own pocket, esp when i'm a student..i think twice