[Group] SUZUKI Bandit

[joekia]

Hi guys...I'm sorry also...Kinda busy this past week. Got deadlines to

meet. But this week is just fine for me.

 

I got this Tips and tricks from one of the Bandit BBSs. Hope you can understand it coz I didnt understand all of it..

 

A guy named Dan wrote it.

 

Tips and Tricks.

 

Here is some info that I have pulled from other Bandit BBSs - cannot

conform or deny if they work - so feedback on their validity would

be great!

 

Enjoy...

 

1) Raising the needles will get rid of some of the flat spot but not

all of it. Here why, The fuel for the needle jet circuit must pass

thought the main jet and it's actually the main jet being too small

as well as the lean needle jet that is causing the flat spot. If you

do a little searching on the net you will find that the GSXR 400

came with 110 main jets from the factory and the bandit comes with

100 or 102.5 depending on if you have 33mm or 32mm carbs. This for

the same engine! so to make a long story short and your bike is

stock go to a 110 main jet, raise the needle 1 groove, balance the

carbs and enjoy.

 

2) Another area that no one here has touched on is getting the

engine to run at a more consistent temp. The stock thermostat is

only 170 degrees F, most of the guys who have done any jetting with

a dyno will put in a thermostat from a Honda 600F3 that is 190

degrees. You get more consistent carburation and more HP with the

hotter running engine.

 

3)If installing a larger diameter fuel line, it will fit in between

the airbox and the carbs. NEVER feed it through the open area in

between carbs 2 and 3 (it will catch under the thottle assembly

causing the trhottle to stick open)

 

4) Never buy electronic parts form a junkyard without a guarantee.

 

5) Intake Manifolds (Suzuki calls them Intake pipes). Apparently,

due to age, these things leak like a sieve. I can look at mine, and

not see any visible damage that would look like it would cause a

problem, but there was. It would leak a vacuum, causing me to run

rich, and foul my plugs and cause the bike not to idle when the

engine was warm. Form-a-gasket didnt work. New manifolds did. They

come with gaskets, cost about $36 a piece, and I highly recommend if

you have idling problems to get the whole set. Another member stated

that he has seen many go bad on Suzuki bikes, a lot right at 9

years. I forget who said that, but i am in debt.

 

6) Coils. You cant replace the wires, right? WRONG. They unscrew

from the coil just like the boot unscrews at the other end. Just

unscrew it like a bolt. You can probably find replacements at any

auto parts store (a universal kit). Mine were stiff and failing. I

was getting misfires, and backfires and poor response. I went one

better and got the Accel Super Coils. These are a dream, because

they use standard wires, with terminals like a distributor cap and

require the spark plugs have a terminal end like a car. This means

you can use traditional spark testers easier. It also means wires

are easy to change. Just remember to use the rubber top cap for the

original boots to seal the engine so no water gets in.

 

7) Also, on the topic of the Super Coils, if you order, order the

ones for transistorized ignition, NOT CDI. Our bandits do not have a

CDI box. Many people mistakenly call the Ignition Module a CDI box.

It is not. Getting the wrong type of coil can fry your computer

($$$$).

 

8) Don't get rid of the airbox. It works best with it. Keep the box,

add a K&N in the box and remove the intake snorkle.

 

9) Vendors that carry parts for b4

Motorcycle Accesories Warehouse - http://www.mawonline.com

Dennis Kirk - http://www.denniskirk.com

Kiernan Racing Supplies - http://www.braincell.com/kiernan/ (they have a

search function.) These guys have pretty decent prices and customer

service.

 

10) Here's my [not mine - just straight quoting here, Dan] latest

mod: http://www.geocities.com/john_we...tches.html

I swapped out my faded and aged control switches with a set from

a '97 GSXR750. I had to make some mods to them (cutting a piece from

the left hand side, and crafting a piece for the right hand side).

All the wires are color coded the same, so I clipped the wires on

each unit, and swapped so they could be plugged into the B4s

harnesses. I like the look, let me know what you think. There are

six pictures two of the old switches, four from the new. Thanks for

checkin' out this mod.

 

11) Q: What torque should I use on the 12 bolts keeping

the "cylinder-block" and "top-head" together?

 

11) A: The 12 nuts are torqued to 18-21 foot pounds. The 6mm bolt

from the bottom up is 6-8.5. Make sure the 12 nuts are torqued

first before tightening the smaller 6mm bolts. The smaller ones can

snap. You should also retorque the larger bolts at the first valve

adjust. Do them one at a time. Learned this from a builder. helps

save your head gasket.

 

12) Q: is it difficult changing the fork seals on a 92' 400? I'd

like to do it myself, but i'm not sure if i need any special

equipment.

 

12) A: I did have a steering stem front end stand already. My only

problem was trying to yank out the fork tube without removing the

retaining clip/ring that locks in the seal. Oops. Once you get that

ring out the seal comes out easily. I think I got my measurements

for oil height from the Race Tech valve emulator instructions. Thats

another thing, you may want to upgrade your springs/oil while you've

got the forks open. If not, I think I paid just $10.00 for the

seals. Fresh oil and seals alone should feel noticably better.

 

As for a special tool, I got a length of 25mm (ithink) square

section tube, then nipped in the four sides in a vice so it looked

like a 4 pointed star, then it is a metter of pinch a bit, try it,

pinch a bit try it until you get it to fit in the large start socket

affair on the inside of the fork, then using the allen key in the

bottom of the fork leg undo it.

 

When the inside damper bit is out, it is worth measuring it so that

you can be more accurate with the tool for next time.

 

 

That's what I have found floating around online so far

 

Have fun!

 

Dan

 

i understand it a little here and there... maybe u wanna print it out and bring it along wif a manuel the next time we meet... then maybe i'll be able to explain it to u...

[rogerfock]

Hey guys.. me tinking of changing new tyres ley...

 

my back tire is "Pirelle Dragon" (i forgot the spelling)

front is "Michelle"

 

Front tyre last veri long liao.. haven change... 1 yr +

back tire change abt 5-6 mths back.. coz tyre tubless then always puncture by some object...

seems my back tire quite prone to puncture.. now again air pressure very low after even after I pump..

 

u guys got any idea for good and cheap back tyre?

[rocketman2]

Hey guys.. me tinking of changing new tyres ley...

 

my back tire is "Pirelle Dragon" (i forgot the spelling)

front is "Michelle"

 

Front tyre last veri long liao.. haven change... 1 yr +

back tire change abt 5-6 mths back.. coz tyre tubless then always puncture by some object...

seems my back tire quite prone to puncture.. now again air pressure very low after even after I pump..

 

u guys got any idea for good and cheap back tyre?

roger, try the bridgestone's bt45 or dunlop's gt501. both r good and long lasting but not for performance mind u, just for distance and good grip. i wonder if il4 might read this, maybe he can comment?

 

anyway guys, how abt this friday evening at somewhere central? adam road hawker centre? then those who r free can go top up petrol in jb? (i promise to come early and ask for permission so that i can stay longer )

i'll message u guys shortly

[Guest ThirtyThree]

For me tires are something that shouldn't scrap on...

buy a good one which will save u from the few little skidds you will have

each month....

For me, my tires saved me a few times already...

i recommend Dunlop GPR 70...

even though it doesn't last very long...but the grip is definately there

Just my feeling....

 

BY the way...Rocketman...hope to recieve ur msg soon~~

[joekia]

Hey guys.. me tinking of changing new tyres ley...

 

my back tire is "Pirelle Dragon" (i forgot the spelling)

front is "Michelle"

 

Front tyre last veri long liao.. haven change... 1 yr +

back tire change abt 5-6 mths back.. coz tyre tubless then always puncture by some object...

seems my back tire quite prone to puncture.. now again air pressure very low after even after I pump..

 

u guys got any idea for good and cheap back tyre?

 

bt 090 or gpr 70 if u're prone to do hard cornering... if not get a pirelli dragon or metzeler meZ1 will do... pls take note that mixing tyres are not really recommended... so pls take care and change as a set...

[telemark]

I can make it sunday night at adam rd.....

 

tele

 

[rocketman2]

Guys, this is the confirmed deal.

 

Date: Sunday, 22 June 2003

Time: 2100

Location: Adam Road Food Centre

[rocketman2]

Guys, change of location

 

Date: Sunday, 22 June 2003

Time: 1900

Location: Lavender Food square

 

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[telemark]

hey rocketman what happend?? hehehe

we waited for you but you never come..... did you eventualy get your keys???

 

Hey to the rest of the guys that went thanks heaps ..I had a great time ..esp the crosscounrty part .....

 

Jokia I missed you I hope you made it in the end.

 

we will have to orrange another one soon.

 

Thanks again to the guys that came out .....

 

Tele

[Guest AJ]

sori guys didn't join in...i was out from morn till evenin........very shagged dude..........

 

btw,wats the crosscountry thingy....sounds interesting.............

[rocketman2]

hey rocketman what happend?? hehehe

we waited for you but you never come..... did you eventualy get your keys???

 

Hey to the rest of the guys that went thanks heaps ..I had a great time ..esp the crosscounrty part .....

 

Jokia I missed you I hope you made it in the end.

 

we will have to orrange another one soon.

 

Thanks again to the guys that came out .....

 

Tele

I was working till 7 at my shop in sls and i left my keys by mistake. By the time i realised it, they had all gone back home! I had to endure the miserable jouney home on the train in the hope i can find my spare keys. Sadly I only found my spare alarm key, still no sight of the keys.

 

I'm glad you guys had fun. Pity I couldnt make it

[Guest ThirtyThree]

So when will be the next outing..

hope EVERYONE turns up

ahha

[telemark]

Not good Rocket man .......... I was just poking fun at you

Never mind we will have to organise another night soon.

I will be out of the county for two weeks but will catch up after I get back.

 

Going home to OZ to see my grandfather... ( he is not too well

 

Cathc you guys later..... hey where did you get thoes indicators from on the bandit V's guys can you post the address here?

 

 

Thanks guys

TELE

[Guest AJ]

yo tele,we all hope your grandpa would be fine..........

 

guys,let's hope we can meet up someday....

 

mr rocket,can you make another kopi arrangements plzzzz......

 

tele...btw,you goin back OZ rite,is there any chance if you can get any bandit parts from there...hot stuff where we don't have here....

Btw,have you guys changed your rear sprocket to size 43....

[skybono]

yo tele,we all hope your grandpa would be fine..........

 

guys,let's hope we can meet up someday....

 

mr rocket,can you make another kopi arrangements plzzzz......

 

tele...btw,you goin back OZ rite,is there any chance if you can get any bandit parts from there...hot stuff where we don't have here....

Btw,have you guys changed your rear sprocket to size 43....

 

 

I havent change my rear sprocket yet Aj..Y? are you selling yours?

Or maybe blanja me so I can change mine..

 

Same here..Let's hope tele's grandpa will be ok.

[skybono]

Got this from one of the websites about Bandit..

 

Differences between GSF-400 and GSF-400V...

 

Apart from the added horsepower; 53hp for a regular Bandit400, and 59hp for a BanditV, and dual Disc brake up front;

1. the VV Engine have a Variable Valve Control, wherein the engine uses two cam lobes, One for High Speed and One for Low speed on one intake camshaft. With the variable timing lift mechanism employed, the engine is designed to operate on the low speed cam in low - mid speed range, an on the high speed cam in a high speed range. This results in the optimum power characteristics of the entire engine speed range.

2. Overall length width, height, wheebase, ground clearance and dry mass I think slightly vary.

3. Valve Clearance also varies

4. The transmission Final reduction ratio is also different.

 

and to add into this, lights indicators are also different,

 

Talking about light indicators, what did you do with your stock

signals lights thirty three? Maybe you can lend it to me..

[Guest ThirtyThree]

Sure!Skybono~

 

But i would be in town for two weeks...going on a trip...

pass it to u when im baack??yeah...

 

btw...the horsepower for bandits for my sources...the bandit has 59,whereas the v model has 53~~not sure bout tt....

 

cheers everyone....

 

and the place i bought my indicators TELE, I lost the name card...

but you can find it thru the net...the shops name called CHIONG AIK...

if u still can't find it ...maybe Joekia can help....he's been there....

[Guest AJ]

yo skybono....this is Larry Mullen Jr speaking....go to Lim Ah Boy.....they got all the lights you need...can oso buy some for christmas or Hari Raya....

[skybono]

yo skybono....this is Larry Mullen Jr speaking....go to Lim Ah Boy.....they got all the lights you need...can oso buy some for christmas or Hari Raya....

 

Hehehe...larry mullen ha... hohohoho ..Just dont want to see something wasted ha thirty three?..Have a nice vacation..

[telemark]

No problem AJ just put your list up on the posting here and i will try and get some prices for you. I will however be in a small town so I dont know how competitive it may be but i try and do my best.

 

I am very busy for the next few weeks so I will be out of commision for any outings sorry guys ...whan I get back.

[rocketman2]

No problem AJ just put your list up on the posting here and i will try and get some prices for you. I will however be in a small town so I dont know how competitive it may be but i try and do my best.

 

I am very busy for the next few weeks so I will be out of commision for any outings sorry guys ...whan I get back.

Yo, hope yr grandpa's alright.

 

Been away for a while, needed to earn some serious dough and guess wat, the "cruiser" is dead . did the bearing look bad.

 

sky, been down to alvin's place for the sliders?

 

AJ, watz the size of yr sproket again? 42? I think my higher fuel consumption is probably due to the large rear sproket size (47) no matter how much i've cleaned the carb and the air filter, my mileage is ard 220 before hitting the reserve. i'd probably hav to change the whole setup to a smaller size in a months time.

 

btw, aj, which bike r u riding now?

 

guys, how abt meeting up say this weekend?

time and place to be confirmed.

[Guest AJ]

Yez dude,mine was 42...front not to sure...my consumption goes about 270 then hit reserve...the max was 280.....

bout the kopi,no problem....but must not clash with my other kopi session.....

btw,this afternoon on the way to jb from SLE,got this black bandit went pass me at quite a speed....boy was he fast....my helmet was an open face with the scrambler peak,so got hard time tailin him....he was a malay brother riding an FL**** bandit...with full face and jacket plus gloves......alriteman....cheers...long live BANDIT....

I still ride the bandit...gerfrd luv the bike so much.....

 

And yesterday,beside me was another brother with a red Bandit...FL plate......junction entering the CTE at bradell.....Smile at him,but he look away... cehh.............but he fitted a bracket on his rear gantung and makes his bike taller than mine....awesome.......looks great....maybe he is proud of that makes him eksyen....

[skybono]

Yez dude,mine was 42...front not to sure...my consumption goes about 270 then hit reserve...the max was 280.....

bout the kopi,no problem....but must not clash with my other kopi session.....

btw,this afternoon on the way to jb from SLE,got this black bandit went pass me at quite a speed....boy was he fast....my helmet was an open face with the scrambler peak,so got hard time tailin him....he was a malay brother riding an FL**** bandit...with full face and jacket plus gloves......alriteman....cheers...long live BANDIT....

I still ride the bandit...gerfrd luv the bike so much.....

 

And yesterday,beside me was another brother with a red Bandit...FL plate......junction entering the CTE at bradell.....Smile at him,but he look away... cehh.............but he fitted a bracket on his rear gantung and makes his bike taller than mine....awesome.......looks great....maybe he is proud of that makes him eksyen....

 

 

Hey Aj...What is a gerfrd? eksyen?

 

If some riders don't want to acknowledge you don't be

discourage. At least you did your part by saying hi. This things

also happened to me but I don't take it too hard. Or maybe

he didnt say hi back coz you are more handsome.

 

Rocketman, I'm still waiting for Alvin to call me up. Maybe esok I will

give him a call. Are you still interested just in case he asked?

 

Aj man.That black bandit must be in very good condition. Just imagine that

Aj size 42 sprocket bike couldn't catch up? And from your side you can see the raised gantung of the red bandit? How is this possible?...And talking about gantung, did you get your gantung raised

already at 33 can can mechanic?

[Guest AJ]

ooh yea......not that i can't catch up...my helmet peak keep on goin up and down....very irritating....dat's why giv up d chase...if i am using ur helmet sure no problem...

from the side you can see the hugger very clearly...c'mon man..u definately noe if he got raised the gantung....

 

oh,me not you raised my gantung,must raised the money first....

[joekia]

ooh yea......not that i can't catch up...my helmet peak keep on goin up and down....very irritating....dat's why giv up d chase...if i am using ur helmet sure no problem...

from the side you can see the hugger very clearly...c'mon man..u definately noe if he got raised the gantung....

 

oh,me not you raised my gantung,must raised the money first....

 

when u guys gonna go for coffee again??