Government motorcycle helmet test results revealed

[joey_sfb]

To get PSB sticker on any helmet not that hard... dealers just need to send them to PSB, pay the kopi money, most important!!! Then wah lah...One PSB sticker coming up:D

 

Some DOT and Snell Foundation approved helmets cannot meet PSB ratings even though they are recognised worldwide and have been around longer.

 

Some DOT and Snell approved helmets valued at over $400 are not PSB approved. Some helmets valued at $40 from Lim Ah Boy are PSB approved.

 

Bottomline is... it is not how much the helmet cost but rather how much do you value your head.

[cyben76]

shark rsr2 video in chinese i tink ---> http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200298

[benny 1o]

wat i heard from a frd from PSB, is tat PSB have to test and break a few helmets first, den they can approve. so most of de dealers dun wanna waste tat type of money, breaking a few Arais, so they dun even bother sending in for de tests... somemore these brands are already so famous in other places le, like snell and dot approved, so its more den enough.

 

u think la, a snell and dot approved helmet lose to a LAB, PSB approved helmet?

 

think again... : )

[GS777]

wat i heard from a frd from PSB, is tat PSB have to test and break a few helmets first, den they can approve. so most of de dealers dun wanna waste tat type of money, breaking a few Arais, so they dun even bother sending in for de tests... somemore these brands are already so famous in other places le, like snell and dot approved, so its more den enough.

 

u think la, a snell and dot approved helmet lose to a LAB, PSB approved helmet?

 

think again... : )

 

Agree with you.

[jB]

Very useful ref link hope more brands like OGK get tested.

[hydrop]

Yey! Both my existing helmets get 5*

[mikel]

full face not hot huh.. i feel i see only the road infront wif them.. more blind spot areas.. and heavy also.. i think we need to redesign helmets..

[stsoh]

wat i heard from a frd from PSB, is tat PSB have to test and break a few helmets first, den they can approve. so most of de dealers dun wanna waste tat type of money, breaking a few Arais, so they dun even bother sending in for de tests... somemore these brands are already so famous in other places le, like snell and dot approved, so its more den enough.

 

u think la, a snell and dot approved helmet lose to a LAB, PSB approved helmet?

 

think again... : )

 

i read somewhere about snell n dot helmets tat they r based on manufacturers' trust to meet these standards.

 

all manufacturers buy licenses so tat they can put a sticker on it.

 

manufacturers will conduct the test themselves to meet requirements of snell or dot.

 

a reputable bike magazine conducted test on 20 helmets n 80% failed to meet snell n dot standards.

 

many ppl have a misconception on helmet tat most expensive helmet will give max protection.

 

WRONG, it the impact tat kills n most expensive helmet normally does the protection of the skull but breaks the neck n kill the wearer.

 

even the cheap helmet will protect the skull n it should be throw away if involved in an accident.

[jB]

full face not hot huh.. i feel i see only the road infront wif them.. more blind spot areas.. and heavy also.. i think we need to redesign helmets..

I'd rather sweat then bleed dude

btw if you've mirrors and you turn your head to check your blind spot. Nothing much is needed IMO.

[hydrop]

i read somewhere about snell n dot helmets tat they r based on manufacturers' trust to meet these standards.

 

all manufacturers buy licenses so tat they can put a sticker on it.

 

manufacturers will conduct the test themselves to meet requirements of snell or dot.

 

a reputable bike magazine conducted test on 20 helmets n 80% failed to meet snell n dot standards.

 

many ppl have a misconception on helmet tat most expensive helmet will give max protection.

 

WRONG, it the impact tat kills n most expensive helmet normally does the protection of the skull but breaks the neck n kill the wearer.

 

even the cheap helmet will protect the skull n it should be throw away if involved in an accident.

 

 

Very true!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8bf_1215427693

[cyben76]

i read somewhere about snell n dot helmets tat they r based on manufacturers' trust to meet these standards.

 

all manufacturers buy licenses so tat they can put a sticker on it.

 

manufacturers will conduct the test themselves to meet requirements of snell or dot.

 

a reputable bike magazine conducted test on 20 helmets n 80% failed to meet snell n dot standards.

 

many ppl have a misconception on helmet tat most expensive helmet will give max protection.

 

WRONG, it the impact tat kills n most expensive helmet normally does the protection of the skull but breaks the neck n kill the wearer.

 

even the cheap helmet will protect the skull n it should be throw away if involved in an accident.

 

very true, there are alot of controversy to DOT and SNELL standards, especially SNELL... The Thread starter gave link to SHARP testing, its an independent testing... Right now i tink the most reputable helmet ratings are by ECE (european standard)...

 

Only way to protect the neck during a crash now is using neck brace.. Maybe helmet manufacturer shld intergrate a neck brace into helmet design.. At least now more helmet manufacturer intergrate AROS (Anti Roll Of System) into the helmets. Prevents the helmet from moving too far back or too far forward to hit the chest of rider...

 

For my case a full face helmet save me from a broken jaw/nose/teeth, but the chinguard hit my collar bone and broke it.. I still wear a full face or flip up though...

 

It doesnt matter how much your helmet or safety gear cost, just get the best gear u can afford.. At the end of the day, u dont want to tell urself after an accident, "i wished i had bought a better helmet"

[ktk]

can spend thousands buy bike and insurance, cant afford to spend a measy 500 SGD on a snell helmet , gloves and mesh jacket with CE protector ?

 

wow.

[cyben76]

can spend thousands buy bike and insurance, cant afford to spend a measy 500 SGD on a snell helmet , gloves and mesh jacket with CE protector ?

 

wow.

 

Funny thing is, bikers rather spend hundred sometimes even thousands for aftermarket exhaust, paintwork, etc...

 

I rather spend that money on a gd jacket with armour, a gd helmet a gd glove, a gd riding pants and a gd riding boots.. Then if i have all the proper riding gear, then i buy "performance parts" and will always start with parts that is more for safety then for speed...

 

I shoot 170km/hr on expressway today just to clear abit of carbon, exit expressway got a traffic light. Stop there, a car that was going 90-100km/hr that i overtook was beside me just when the lights were turning green... LoL... In SG go fast doesnt mean u'll get there fast, just more likely to die faster...

[ktk]

Funny thing is, bikers rather spend hundred sometimes even thousands for aftermarket exhaust, paintwork, etc...

 

I rather spend that money on a gd jacket with armour, a gd helmet a gd glove, a gd riding pants and a gd riding boots.. Then if i have all the proper riding gear, then i buy "performance parts" and will always start with parts that is more for safety then for speed...

 

I shoot 170km/hr on expressway today just to clear abit of carbon, exit expressway got a traffic light. Stop there, a car that was going 90-100km/hr that i overtook was beside me just when the lights were turning green... LoL... In SG go fast doesnt mean u'll get there fast, just more likely to die faster...

 

yeah . same situation in Taiwan too. alot of pple wear singlet and a 1/2 face plastic cap and go chiong 100KM/H. some dont even wear any head protection at all...

 

me? im wearing a m2r gp-1 , ktm gloves and SAF gore tex boots. Boots saved me twice already from nasty abrasion. no matter how short the trip, i always gear up.

[stsoh]

can spend thousands buy bike and insurance, cant afford to spend a measy 500 SGD on a snell helmet , gloves and mesh jacket with CE protector ?

 

wow.

guess u miss a point or two.

basically all riders risk their lifes for adrenaline.

if need to be wrapped up with protective gears, might as well drive a car.

 

anyway back to topic, it's the impact tat kill.

no protective gears can give full protections.

 

a popular screen about taiwan accident in youtube show a slow scooter crush into mince meat by a truck from behind.

 

even F1 drivers with thousand dollars helmet, say helmet will kill the driver in a crash without neck brace n helmet restrainer back plate support.

 

90% riders wearing a helmet expensive or cheap, will not die becoz of skull injury but kill by crushed, run-over, broken neck, broken spine, etc.

[cyben76]

guess u miss a point or two.

basically all riders risk their lifes for adrenaline.

if need to be wrapped up with protective gears, might as well drive a car.

 

anyway back to topic, it's the impact tat kill.

no protective gears can give full protections.

 

a popular screen about taiwan accident in youtube show a slow scooter crush into mince meat by a truck from behind.

 

even F1 drivers with thousand dollars helmet, say helmet will kill the driver in a crash without neck brace n helmet restrainer back plate support.

 

90% riders wearing a helmet expensive or cheap, will not die becoz of skull injury but kill by crushed, run-over, broken neck, broken spine, etc.

 

I tink most people got the wrong impression abt wearing protective gear... No protective gear can guarantee to prevent death, but they minimise injuries...

 

I dont want to spend time in hospital bcos of injuries sustain during an accident w/o a gd protective gear.

 

When i just start riding i also dont care abt protective gear.. After 12yrs on the road 4-5 accidents, seeing countless of accidents, one broken collar bone, twice dislocated wrist, one dislocated ankle, a butt slide that ripped the skin of my right butt cheek, a big gash on my right knee till i could see my knee bone now got a pretty triangle scar, 4 scar holes on my left hand knuckle, 2 times broken nose.. All those injuries took time to heal, pain i can take it the scars are a constant reminder... Time and money wasted on treatment could have been better used for safety gear..

 

 

 

Ask yourself, y construction workers need to where helmet? Those beams hanging of the crane are tons in weight.. Will the helmet protect their head if the beams drop on their head?

 

 

But if going too fast, even if u drive a car with side curtain air bags, driver passenger air bags, crumple zone, side beams, ABS, anti whiplash seat belt, will still die mah.. eg, Princess Diana in Mercedes S class (stated one of the safest car at that time)

 

Ayrton Senna (the F1 driver), also died cos one of his wheels flew of during the crash and smashing thru his helmet, maybe he would have time to duck down but got helmet restariner and reports shown he was still at 200+ km/hr upon impact, no time to react...

 

One of my frens colleague is in a coma, a pick up truck run over his chest and head.. He was wearing a full face helmet, i dont tink he would survive if he was wearing a cheap open face...

 

Btw, regarding the Youtube taiwan accident.. Take a look at it closely, the rider just merge onto the lorry lane from the shoulder w/o checking blindspot. The truck driver is up high, if u drive a large truck before u would know that the bike was in his drivers blindspot. Furthermore if its taiwan, its left hand drive.. The driver seated on the left, bike came in from right (blindspot). He then came to driver left, but too close for driver to see the brake light of bike.. With such a heavy load, the lorry wont even have time to stop the lorry in time.. If u ever been to taiwan, u would know that trucks down there are the "king" of the road, speed like crazy. I heard local police also fear the truck drivers.. LoL

 

One sad thing abt that accident is that as the rider was under the rear tyre, the lorry driver brake.. the braking plus the weight of the truck dragged and ripped the rider into pieces... If the driver never brake it might have just rolled over and crushed the rider instead of ripping him into pieces.

 

In the end its all up to the rider, safe and defnesive riding is still better then thousands of dollars worth of protective + reckless riding.

 

PS not all riders ride for the adrenaline rush. If want an adrenaline rush i'll take it to the tracks, Most are for transport, cheaper alternative to car, some for the freedom

[ktk]

cyben76's explaination is excellent but i wpuld like to add:

 

big lorry have 3 lights on it :

1: still can brake in time

2:might not be able to brake in time

3:100% cannot brake in time

 

if u see hi rez version, u'll notice all 3 lights are on...

 

hence 1st line of defence is good and alert driving stance and habits

 

2nd line then gear.

[cyben76]

cyben76's explaination is excellent but i wpuld like to add:

 

big lorry have 3 lights on it :

1: still can brake in time

2:might not be able to brake in time

3:100% cannot brake in time

 

if u see hi rez version, u'll notice all 3 lights are on...

 

hence 1st line of defence is good and alert driving stance and habits

 

2nd line then gear.

 

oh yah.. i tink the 3 lights in taiwan means full/heavy load or something rite? Btw, need to add to ktk statement..

 

1st line of defence is good and alert driving stance and habits

2nd line of defence a road worthy bike (eg. working signal lights, brake lights, not worn out tyres.. etc..)

3rd line proper safety gear

[Guest NPNT]

Here is an article i scanned, which i felt might prove useful to some of u guys. It is from August 08 issue of Ride magazine which i bought.

 

Did gave me some surprises, especially on the result of RX7 Corsair. Haha. But like i said, the tests are controversial.

 

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http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff305/newbie_sbf/H2.jpg

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[WildCard]

Thread already started abt SHARP ratings.

Moving it there...

[Guest NPNT]

eh. i oso read dis article here in sbf. knn. short-term memory.

[kirkjay]

aiyah....helmet will save my brain...thats all i can think of...

without the helmet...my brains will be topppling on the floorr...

 

hehe...i dont mind getting shot(AGV GP-PRO kevlar Constructed means bullet proof ) anywhere on my body...even the hearrt (heart transplant loh)....but now way can you replace a brain... to me its the core freaking engine...

 

in fact the brain is so important...if a person were to get hit in the cerebal cortex and lose his fucntion, another part of the brain will have to be trained to take over....

 

So save you brain 1st... then the rest...

[RustyStar]

Bottomline is...all full-face helmets are a lot safer than the most expensive open face helmet like the Arai Ram 3. The shop may say the visor is super strong, can bend and cannot break. This is very true, but they didn't tell you the visor hinge can break easily...

 

DOnt believe me...ask the many casualties that smacked their faces on the road wearing open face helmets. My dad happened to be one of them. It permanently took out his front teeth.

 

My 2 cents worth...

[GuiNNeSS]

Not certain if you guys follow the progress of this organisation.

 

SHRP ratings are far better respected than Snell or US DOT:

 

http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/search/results/?sort=manufacturer&dir=asc&manufacturer=0&type=0&rating=0&size=0&price=0

[JackOHJack]

I still believe that LTA should enforce or recommend "full-face helmet" usage for riders .

 

But i think this is almost impossible as the LTA doesn't care about motorcyclists .

 

sit back, relac, do nothing, get paid.

 

do a lot of things, rush here, worry there, ot, still get same pay.

 

who cares?

 

food for thought :in a way, isn't this the "freedom" we as public always wanted?

 

they mandate too much, we say "No freedom of speech". They dun mandate as much, we say "They dun care", and SHOULD mandate.