Aprilia Riders

[wacko]

  priller07 said:

Anyways i saw an Rs250 with plate number 88 at Mah for sale today. Plate very familiar.. Anyone from this forum..?

 

if not wrong thats alanhim's bike..

well i may be wrong..

but i tot i saw someone (not alan) riding that bike..?

just few weeks back..

[wacko]

  Sub Zero said:

Check First Motor for 2ndhand fairings. Why do you want to rev so high? You playing at track is it?

 

is a broken up venom at FM..?

some one say there saw 250 venom along ubi.. badly damaged..

[quikslvr]

  Sub Zero said:

That must be one stupid mechanic. Dare he call himself a mechanic even? I pity the dumb sp and krr riders who service their bikes there. Stupid fool of a mech. Which dumb shop is tat? And u still persist in going there?

 

my kr/sp frens also said they dont use gear oil.they use engine oil.when i correct them by saying 2t bikes dont use engine oil,they die2 say use engine oil.probably in their bike manual written engine oil n not gear oil?

[wacko]

  quikslvr said:

my kr/sp frens also said they dont use gear oil.they use engine oil.when i correct them by saying 2t bikes dont use engine oil,they die2 say use engine oil.probably in their bike manual written engine oil n not gear oil?

 

tats what the mech at ah gua lane or wherever told them.. i guess not much shop carry gear oil but most carries 4T aka engine oil. i used to ride sp.. and along the road up to my 250, i tot all bikes uses engine oil..

but my trusty mech correct me when i use my 250.

[priller07]

  wacko said:

if not wrong thats alanhim's bike..

well i may be wrong..

but i tot i saw someone (not alan) riding that bike..?

just few weeks back..

 

The 250 was gloss black, Fw 88 i think. Frame and engine parts look nice and clean; only the chain is *#$%^ rusty. Haha.. Was wondering anyone knows the history of that bike. See if worth buying or not.

[priller07]

  wacko said:

is a broken up venom at FM..?

some one say there saw 250 venom along ubi.. badly damaged..

 

Few weeks back Spidey was at FM getting fixed up. Venom..? Nice. Gotta see that one. Heheh..

[dzul90]

thx bro. any aprilia outings up soon?

[priller07]

There haven't been any gatherings yet for some time now. Most are quite tied up with work i guess. Maybe can keep a lookout in the forum if there's any upcoming gatherings/lepak/riding sessions.

[xxes123]

  priller07 said:

The 250 was gloss black, Fw 88 i think. Frame and engine parts look nice and clean; only the chain is *#$%^ rusty. Haha.. Was wondering anyone knows the history of that bike. See if worth buying or not.

 

66=> Zack

77=> mine , selling off soon

88=>ex-dennise bike

[priller07]

  xxes123 said:

66=> Zack

77=> mine , selling off soon

88=>ex-dennise bike

 

Ouh... Now i know. Haha!! All almost in sequence huh. CooL!!

 

The 88 looks not bad. But matt looks cooLer lah.

[xxes123]

Any one interested in a one-time special-production run for light weighted, stronger FORGED aluminium rims by one of the reputable rim maker ??

It will be much lighter, direct bolt-on and same size as original.

Production need 20 sets to start. Price wise should be same as Marchesini/OZ/etc light weight wheels.

[Draka]

  Sub Zero said:

That must be one stupid mechanic. Dare he call himself a mechanic even? I pity the dumb sp and krr riders who service their bikes there. Stupid fool of a mech. Which dumb shop is tat? And u still persist in going there?

 

that shop i went to is a old old old shop and they do service for mostly Scooter and why i went there becos i knew the uncle from young and its my father's frd and he had nv done aprilia so maybe he doesnt know it ...i go there for changing of engine oil , spark plug and tyres only so its really doesnt have much different .

I wanted to go First Motor for quite long and i didnt know how to go to that workshop ,somehow maybe im staying at the west so abit puzzled how to get there.Most important, im waiting for pay day den i get my dellorto den i go down to get it fixed once ,any Aprilia rider from the west side Could bring me there...i gt lots of question to ask actually but didnt know where to start ...

i heard some rider cant get to 11k rpm when mine only get to 8.5k Max ...

[IZECUBEZ]

Draka, First Motors is very easy to get to.

 

PIE (Towards Changi)

Exit Paya Lebar

On the exit,take a left at the traffic light junction.

Once after you turn left, keep to the right.

3 traffic lights down, turn right into Ubi Ave 3.

You will pass TP HQ (which is on your right).

First Traffic light you see, turn right and straight away take the left into the alley.

First Motors is the 1st shop on the right when you turn into the alley.

[shinya]

  Draka said:

that shop i went to is a old old old shop and they do service for mostly Scooter and why i went there becos i knew the uncle from young and its my father's frd and he had nv done aprilia so maybe he doesnt know it ...i go there for changing of engine oil , spark plug and tyres only so its really doesnt have much different .

I wanted to go First Motor for quite long and i didnt know how to go to that workshop ,somehow maybe im staying at the west so abit puzzled how to get there.Most important, im waiting for pay day den i get my dellorto den i go down to get it fixed once ,any Aprilia rider from the west side Could bring me there...i gt lots of question to ask actually but didnt know where to start ...

i heard some rider cant get to 11k rpm when mine only get to 8.5k Max ...

 

Well, according to the interent. The 15HP version pumps the max power at only 7500rpm. So yes maybe if u riding the restrict version it will be hard to rev on maybe due to CDI limitation? However, for a full-power unrestrict version. The max power pumps out above 11k rpm, so it will be some prob with ur bike if u can't feel power there or can't even rev there. If u change to aftermark pipe then u should usually have to rev higher to reach the peak power output. Don't be fooled by any mech or shop, 2T is simply rev high and peaky power map. It's no point to get a 2T bike wich can't rev. In fact u should rev sometimes to reach the best efficent point of the engine which it burns well and reduce carbon dust accumulation. It's sad to see ppl dun dare to rev and carbon dust everywhere finislly seize here and there....

 

To me, the engine oil/gear oil is not very important issue. 4T bike use engine oil to rinse their piston/block, gearbox and clutch, we 2T bike use gear oil to rinse gearbox and clutch. Big difference? Yes in 2T bike the oil no need to take the heat from upper part of the engine and the great cutting force during piston move. Thus, 2T gear oil working under much easier condition compared to 4T engine oil. Under hard usage we take scooter as example(they always rev quite high), 4T scooter require change oil every 1000~2000km while 2T scooter u can just change gear oil maybe every 3000~5000km. And most case 4T bike have bigger volume of oil to sepaprate the work load and longer the oil change time. It's no reason to me that we can't use 4T engine oil as gear oil regardless cost. The onlything need to take care is not to use car ATF oil cos ppl report that will cause clutch slip maybe will lead to clutch plate failure.

Edited April 19, 2010 by shinya

[d3rRiCk]

The FW88 rs250 at mah i think sat there for like 2 3 years already. was there ever since i was still holding 2b 2 years back.

[priller07]

  d3rRiCk said:

The FW88 rs250 at mah i think sat there for like 2 3 years already. was there ever since i was still holding 2b 2 years back.

 

Isnt that the bike which was in the showroom? Then i heard some rich guy bought it a few mths after i came down with downpayment for that bike and was rejected cos the salesman said the boss wanna keep the bike. Then now its not in the stock colours. Now i remember. Ahh thanks for the update bro. My heart pain again.

[tknge]

  Draka said:

thx bro !

 

btw , i change my engine oil to gear oil already but mech said is for vespa tat kind ? is it true ? becos he said sp and kr come nv ask for gear oil only vespa u are the 1st sport bike.

 

Gear oil don't come in as "vespa" kind. It only grade as 80wt, 85wt or 75/90wt and etc. What are they? What is it? Pls go and read up. If have more time, find out why use them too........

Edited April 20, 2010 by tknge

[tknge]

  shinya said:

To me, the engine oil/gear oil is not very important issue. 4T bike use engine oil to rinse their piston/block, gearbox and clutch, we 2T bike use gear oil to rinse gearbox and clutch. Big difference? Yes in 2T bike the oil no need to take the heat from upper part of the engine and the great cutting force during piston move. Thus, 2T gear oil working under much easier condition compared to 4T engine oil. Under hard usage we take scooter as example(they always rev quite high), 4T scooter require change oil every 1000~2000km while 2T scooter u can just change gear oil maybe every 3000~5000km. And most case 4T bike have bigger volume of oil to sepaprate the work load and longer the oil change time. It's no reason to me that we can't use 4T engine oil as gear oil regardless cost. The onlything need to take care is not to use car ATF oil cos ppl report that will cause clutch slip maybe will lead to clutch plate failure.

 

There is always a reason why Bike manufacturers indicate what bike using what type of oil. Yes, I agreed both oil use to lubricate gears. But engine design make them work differently. Do 2-stroke have oil pump?........both type of oil use different type of additive to work, there must be a reason. Do you know that some bike engine design just like car? Use engine oil for crankcase and gear oil for transmission? There must be a reason too. We may not able to see the different in short time but in long run, there will be a different. I would not want to take these chances.....

[tknge]

Oil grading....gear oil has greater working range.

[d3rRiCk]

the one i saw was placed outside. not the one in the showroom. haha. not sure whether it is still there now. it is on the rack left hand side of mah rear building.

[Draka]

  shinya said:

Well, according to the interent. The 15HP version pumps the max power at only 7500rpm. So yes maybe if u riding the restrict version it will be hard to rev on maybe due to CDI limitation? However, for a full-power unrestrict version. The max power pumps out above 11k rpm, so it will be some prob with ur bike if u can't feel power there or can't even rev there. If u change to aftermark pipe then u should usually have to rev higher to reach the peak power output. Don't be fooled by any mech or shop, 2T is simply rev high and peaky power map. It's no point to get a 2T bike wich can't rev. In fact u should rev sometimes to reach the best efficent point of the engine which it burns well and reduce carbon dust accumulation. It's sad to see ppl dun dare to rev and carbon dust everywhere finislly seize here and there....

 

Hi shinya ,currently my aprilia is 98 model and worst was it came with Milo kong den wait for cash to change to later model Exhaust from 1 of the forum user ,not sure whether the bike will rev higher anot ...i check the AF1 forum they said 98 is unrestricted and if its really restricted den can i know where to de-restrict it ?

[shinya]

  tknge said:

There is always a reason why Bike manufacturers indicate what bike using what type of oil. Yes, I agreed both oil use to lubricate gears. But engine design make them work differently. Do 2-stroke have oil pump?........both type of oil use different type of additive to work, there must be a reason. Do you know that some bike engine design just like car? Use engine oil for crankcase and gear oil for transmission? There must be a reason too. We may not able to see the different in short time but in long run, there will be a different. I would not want to take these chances.....

One word "COST".

 

I think under same grade of oil, the 4T engine oil is always more expensive than 2T gear oil. Why? Cos 4T oil need to handle more things as i had mentioned b4, to add these feature the oil need more additives to put in and cost more. So if you have too much money no place to spend you can pay more to get 4T oil and do the same thing. But if there's no 2T gear oil it's no harm to use 4T oil into your gearbox, that's the main point i want to say.

 

Oil pump or oil cooler is not important, that just repersent one more thing 4T oil need to do - rinse the block wall and piston ring. 4T oil waorking under more stress condition same as i've mentioned b4, overheat will increase the speed of quality drop of the oil and finially can not form the thin layer on the wall resulted in different level of seize. One thing maybe lots of ppl dun know - some gear oil actually come from recycled engine oil. They purified it than tune the viscosity to desire target, package and sell it. All these oils come from same base oil types. As you can see from the figure u provide, the viscosity accross the working temp range is the same. That means the main feature is no big difference - the behavior under drag, cutting force...etc.

 

As i can see the 2T race bikes in Taiwan is not an issue to use engine oil or gear oil. I dun think it will affect much on road. For the divided oil design, the reason given by Aprilia to their SXV/RXV engine is to avoid heat transfer to gearbox. To me this design can allow the engine working under more strange angles with good lubrication and also can reduce the size of down part of engine - which kind of important to cross bike.

[shinya]

  Draka said:

Hi shinya ,currently my aprilia is 98 model and worst was it came with Milo kong den wait for cash to change to later model Exhaust from 1 of the forum user ,not sure whether the bike will rev higher anot ...i check the AF1 forum they said 98 is unrestricted and if its really restricted den can i know where to de-restrict it ?

 

Sorry i am not RS125 owner so can not answer about the de-restriction. But with good tuning all the 2T engine should behavior in same way. The Yamaha 125Z designed as a low rev 2T eng but if you try the race spec 125Z it just rev, feel and pull just like a Race spec NSR. Same as HRC RS125/Aprilia RS250 and rest of the 2T world, Aprilia RS125 won't be an exception. If your mech said can not tell him to retire. For tuning i reckon Tech Thye quite good at 2T bike tuning but it works a different way compare to FM - you usually have to leave your bike there for days and you have to feel the bike to feedback to the mech David for further finetuning. But i think it's important for a rider to capable to feel his bike. Power output, Tyre, Suspension, Brake...etc. You shouldn't just put whatever thing others says it's good, cos different rider different form. Something works with me maybe not working with you. Been a rider i always believe is how much you can feel and control and conmunicate to the bike more than other things.

[Draka]

  shinya said:

Sorry i am not RS125 owner so can not answer about the de-restriction. But with good tuning all the 2T engine should behavior in same way. The Yamaha 125Z designed as a low rev 2T eng but if you try the race spec 125Z it just rev, feel and pull just like a Race spec NSR. Same as HRC RS125/Aprilia RS250 and rest of the 2T world, Aprilia RS125 won't be an exception. If your mech said can not tell him to retire. For tuning i reckon Tech Thye quite good at 2T bike tuning but it works a different way compare to FM - you usually have to leave your bike there for days and you have to feel the bike to feedback to the mech David for further finetuning. But i think it's important for a rider to capable to feel his bike. Power output, Tyre, Suspension, Brake...etc. You shouldn't just put whatever thing others says it's good, cos different rider different form. Something works with me maybe not working with you. Been a rider i always believe is how much you can feel and control and conmunicate to the bike more than other things.

 

its ok ...i guess i will get my endcan change to a later ver den and 34 dellorto carb and see how it goes ..thx for ur information anyway.

[Draka]

  tknge said:

Gear oil don't come in as "vespa" kind. It only grade as 80wt, 85wt or 75/90wt and etc. What are they? What is it? Pls go and read up. If have more time, find out why use them too........

 

thx bro , i guess im riding this bike for long so i will find out as much as possible each day thx