swift sport mt vs civi 1.8l auto

[ben2306]

For now?

@ least for now!!!

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifC&P, u all ownself go figure.

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifSuzuki Swift Sport 1.6 (M) Specificationshttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gif

Engine Engine capacity1,586 cc

Engine type1.6L VVT

Compression ratio11Bore x Stroke(78.0 x 83.0) mm

Power125 bhp

Torque140 Nmhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gif

Performance Acceleration8.9s (0-100kmh)

Top Speed200kmh

Fuel consumptionunknownhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gif

 

Misc technical data

Transmission5-speed manual

Drive typeFWDhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifMeasurements Dimensions (L x W x H)(3765 x 1690 x 1510)mm

Wheelbase2,390mmMin turning radius5,200mm

Kerb weight1,100kg

Fuel tank capacity43L

http://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifBrakes Brakes (Front)Ventilated discBrakes (Rear)Dischttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gif

Suspension Suspension (Front)MacPherson strut and coil springSuspension (Rear)Torsion beam and coil spring

 

Honda Civic 1.8 VTi-S (M) Specificationshttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gif

Engine Engine capacity1,799 cc

Engine type4 stroke SOHC 16-valve i-VTEC

Compression ratio10.5Bore x Stroke(81.0 x 87.3) mm

Power140 bhp

Torque174 Nm

http://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifPerformance Acceleration unknown

Top Speed unknown

Fuel consumption unknown

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifMisc technical data

TransmissionSynchronised 5-speed forward, 1-speed reverse

Drive typeFWDhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifMeasurements Dimensions (L x W x H)(4550 x 1750 x 1435)mm

Wheelbase2,700mmMin turning radius5,400mm

Kerb weight1,198kg

Fuel tank capacity50Lhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifBrakes Brakes (Front)Ventilated discBrakes (Rear)Solid dischttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifSuspension Suspension (Front)Contol-link MacPherson strutSuspension (Rear)Reactive-link double-wishbone

i saw these in other forum alrdy. thanks alot!!

[MS]

http://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifC&P, u all ownself go figure.

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifSuzuki Swift Sport 1.6 (M) Specificationshttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gif

Engine Engine capacity1,586 cc

Engine type1.6L VVT

Compression ratio11Bore x Stroke(78.0 x 83.0) mm

Power125 bhp

Torque140 Nmhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gif

Performance Acceleration8.9s (0-100kmh)

Top Speed200kmh

Fuel consumptionunknownhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gif

 

Misc technical data

Transmission5-speed manual

Drive typeFWDhttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifMeasurements Dimensions (L x W x H)(3765 x 1690 x 1510)mm

Wheelbase2,390mmMin turning radius5,200mm

Kerb weight1,100kg

Fuel tank capacity43L

http://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gifBrakes Brakes (Front)Ventilated discBrakes (Rear)Dischttp://www.sgcarmart.com/images/spacer.gif

Suspension Suspension (Front)MacPherson strut and coil springSuspension (Rear)Torsion beam and coil spring

 

 

I know some of us call it spring rod, torsion rod, torsion beam... I am not sure if we're refering to the same thing. But how can coil spring and torsion beam be working together as the suspending element for the same axle?

[DaN zI]

WAH civic only heavy den 98kg for the KW ?

[biting_point]

if i'm not wrong you are a swiftclub member also. some of them there are only keyboard warrior lah...

 

haha.. i seldom go for the meetup..

only go there source for poison.. haha..

 

totally different from SBF ones.. bikers still rocks..

some never use keyboard, ride freaking fierce one..

[GuiNNeSS]

I know some of us call it spring rod, torsion rod, torsion beam... I am not sure if we're refering to the same thing. But how can coil spring and torsion beam be working together as the suspending element for the same axle?

 

the torsion beam they refer is a seperate thing.

[GuiNNeSS]

WAH civic only heavy den 98kg for the KW ?

 

if u fully lighten it, is barely 900kg

[MS]

the torsion beam they refer is a seperate thing.

 

So not the torsion beam I am refering to? But why did they use torsion beam in the first place.

The difference in culture sometimes make misunderstandings difficult to spot. There are 6+1 types of suspended elements.

 

(1) Leaf spring - commonly in Nkw

(2) Coil Spring - widely used in the current day Pkw [VW Golf, BMW E90, Lotus Elise, Audi A3] because of small space requirement and maintenance free.

(3) Torsion bar spring (some call torsion beam) - used in vehicles where space constrains extremely imminent and maintainance free. [Peugeot 206 rear axle, Jaguar E type]

(4) Pneumatic and hydropneumatic springs - Comfort oriented [MB W140, MB R107]

(5) Rubber springs - used mainly for compression stops or damping rubbers found in many cars.

(6) Torsion springs - F1 [undisclosed team; Only allowed to reveal this much here]

(7) Stabilizer - aka anti roll bar [Join to the stabilizer link of vehicle suspensions, found on most performance vehicle that require chassis torsional movement control; can be retrofitted for chassis tuning]

[ben2306]

haha.. i seldom go for the meetup..

only go there source for poison.. haha..

 

totally different from SBF ones.. bikers still rocks..

some never use keyboard, ride freaking fierce one..

i dont go for their meetup @ all.

[Terrible One]

I know some of us call it spring rod, torsion rod, torsion beam... I am not sure if we're refering to the same thing. But how can coil spring and torsion beam be working together as the suspending element for the same axle?

 

http://www.geocities.com/gkurka2001/CarTech/tech_pic_sus_torsion_golf.jpg

 

I think it refers to rear suspension "arm" type.. Not independent rear suspension.. Tho this type of suspension is cheap(and usually found in cheaper cars),you can't adjust the toe and camber and it's pretty much fixed.. For independant suspension the camber usually increase when compressed.. You can't add anti-roll bar also tho some silly company still make them and sily ppl still buy them..

[MS]

http://www.geocities.com/gkurka2001/CarTech/tech_pic_sus_torsion_golf.jpg

 

I think it refers to rear suspension "arm" type.. Not independent rear suspension.. Tho this type of suspension is cheap(and usually found in cheaper cars),you can't adjust the toe and camber and it's pretty much fixed.. For independant suspension the camber usually increase when compressed.. You can't add anti-roll bar also tho some silly company still make them and sily ppl still buy them..

 

That's a rigid rear axle. On coil spring and damper strut.

Camber cannot be adjusted without a camber kit. No tie rods so no toe to talk about for this axle. The camber for independent suspensions changes with ride height. like you said 'compressed'. But antiroll bars can be added for vehicles who initially have it. otherwise stabilizer links will do the job fine. Like you said, some people who have no idea what does the anti-roll bar do rush into it.

 

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For the TS's friend, if your friend really wants some real action, go for these...

Edited April 2, 2009 by MS
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[ghost04]

haha.. i seldom go for the meetup..

only go there source for poison.. haha..

 

totally different from SBF ones.. bikers still rocks..

some never use keyboard, ride freaking fierce one..

 

correct.

so my bike will win.

haha

[DaN zI]

if u fully lighten it, is barely 900kg

 

u mean civic ? or SSS?

[Terrible One]

But antiroll bars can be added for vehicles who initially have it. otherwise stabilizer links will do the job fine. Like you said, some people who have no idea what does the anti-roll bar do rush into it.

 

 

http://www.ultraracing.com.my/vgreenwap/image/model/Hyundai/Hyundai%20Getz%20rear%20ARB.jpg

 

This is why it doesn't work for such suspension.. I see plenty of ppl at the Getz forum posting stuff like " my car handles better after adding the rear anti-roll bar..."..

 

 

I gained 15BHP on my supermarket car just by adding Cunningham racing stripes

[MS]

http://www.ultraracing.com.my/vgreenwap/image/model/Hyundai/Hyundai%20Getz%20rear%20ARB.jpg

 

This is why it doesn't work for such suspension.. I see plenty of ppl at the Getz forum posting stuff like " my car handles better after adding the rear anti-roll bar..."..

 

 

I gained 15BHP on my supermarket car just by adding Cunningham racing stripes

 

What the?! That's not an anti roll bar!!! That's some abhorred abomination!!!

Do they know how do anti roll bar works in the first place?! They use a bracket and some rubber joints to replace the stabilizer link?! How do they define the torsional movement for the antiroll bar here? And they add the rear anti roll bar. Are they suffering from a lot of understeer?

and How did they attach the antiroll bar to the axle beam? Is that a cable tie?

:faint:

Please enlighten me how does this work...

 

Actually with extensive modification, the anti roll bar can be fitted on the rear axle assembly of the Getz. But again... How economically is that viable. Back to the same old statement. If anybody want a fast car, go buy a fast car. Don't make a slow car look like a fast car and drive like a fast car. If anybody wants a STI, he should buy a STI and not a WRX then spend lots of money to make it into a STI when it obviously will never be STI. If anybody wants an EVO, he should buy an EVO and not make a Lancer look like an EVO for it will never be an EVO. This is when trees by the road side cannot enjoy a solitude lifestyle.

 

And the car handles better with the anti-roll bar. What is the datum of measurement to become 'better' as my senior always asks. He has a Master Degree from Leeds for automotive engg.

 

If any driver wants to buy a cheap car and drive fast, he should not modify the car. He should train up on his driving skills and he will be able to drive any junk like a race car, then buy a fast car so he will be truly fast.

Edited April 3, 2009 by MS

[sICkbOi-dOt-cOm]

True...Just like a 1.3engine with EVO III body...

[Terrible One]

If any driver wants to buy a cheap car and drive fast, he should not modify the car. He should train up on his driving skills and he will be able to drive any junk like a race car, then buy a fast car so he will be truly fast.

 

I remember local racer Ian Lee racing with a 1979 Mitz Colt in the 90's and then ended up driving for the Havoline team racing a WRX

[Tyrian]

aren't we suppose to discuss SSS vs civic?

 

my take: i'm a civic lover and i will choose civic over the SSS. partly because i love to drive my civic esi

[Terrible One]

aren't we suppose to discuss SSS vs civic?

 

my take: i'm a civic lover and i will choose civic over the SSS. partly because i love to drive my civic esi

 

How to compare when both cars are so different? Imagine I post up a topic asking ppl KTM525 vs FJR1300 which one will win what will you say?

 

[West Spec]

I remember local racer Ian Lee racing with a 1979 Mitz Colt in the 90's and then ended up driving for the Havoline team racing a WRX

 

hmmm ian lee this name does sound familiar n it reminds me of e late 90's where e SMSA kallang carpark rally n supersprint were held wif e Mit Evo Jeff Beaumont n Falken paintwork wrx Ben Lim n etc...

[Terrible One]

hmmm ian lee this name does sound familiar n it reminds me of e late 90's where e SMSA kallang carpark rally n supersprint were held wif e Mit Evo Jeff Beaumont n Falken paintwork wrx Ben Lim n etc...

 

They all rule untill Ringo Chong showed up in a WRC spec WRX!! Good old days

[GuiNNeSS]

u mean civic ? or SSS?

 

 

the FD, but that famous yellow swift owner at sepang shld have lighten his also but nv got a chance to meet with him.

[sICkbOi-dOt-cOm]

hmmm ian lee this name does sound familiar n it reminds me of e late 90's where e SMSA kallang carpark rally n supersprint were held wif e Mit Evo Jeff Beaumont n Falken paintwork wrx Ben Lim n etc...

 

Wow.. i miss those supersprints.. Who is the other guy beside Jeff??? I was so interested in motorsports that I went down with a fren of mine at 8am to carpark F! Long story cut short... We played arcade for free since we'r the first customer.. 1 by 1 all the cars came..till 6pm it started! Whole day at there waiting... But its all worth it...

[MS]

Wow.. i miss those supersprints.. Who is the other guy beside Jeff??? I was so interested in motorsports that I went down with a fren of mine at 8am to carpark F! Long story cut short... We played arcade for free since we'r the first customer.. 1 by 1 all the cars came..till 6pm it started! Whole day at there waiting... But its all worth it...

 

With the introduction of the internet, monitor racers flood the streets and workshops. Demanding workshops to do things that are very weird. True blue racers are far and few now.

 

I am currently on a quest to revive the proper automotive technical knowledge based community in this country. But my efforts alone cannot achieve very much. For a start, I will be doing training sessions for a local polytechnic committed to expand in this aspect.

[sICkbOi-dOt-cOm]

That's good to hear.. Any details can mail ?

[GuiNNeSS]

With the introduction of the internet, monitor racers flood the streets and workshops. Demanding workshops to do things that are very weird. True blue racers are far and few now.

 

I am currently on a quest to revive the proper automotive technical knowledge based community in this country. But my efforts alone cannot achieve very much. For a start, I will be doing training sessions for a local polytechnic committed to expand in this aspect.

 

 

most likely wat you'll be coaching? maybe i would like to join in i mean as a listener