sin min ruling is a disgrace

[bernardk]

okays. Charitable bikers association...we all go shave our heads on 5th July for the Hair for Hope thingy while holding onto a banner that says, "Fairness & Safety for ALL road users".

 

If you are sure abt that i will put my name on the list. And then since its on the 5th July i think it should be a good warm up for the 20th august Mr Pattiselanno's hearing.

[paperger85]

If you are sure abt that i will put my name on the list. And then since its on the 5th July i think it should be a good warm up for the 20th august Mr Pattiselanno's hearing.

 

So...who is interested?

[JackOHJack]

hehez. sounds interesting.

 

so how? all 200 of us go shave?! :lol:

 

I suppose no one can say we are wrong for holding a banner that says "Fairness and Safety for ALL road users" with indicative motorcycle logos/ pictures as well?

 

but the 5 july event is for the kids, we can borrow a bit of limelight ah?

 

paperger85: to shave our heads, it's $30 per head right? so we gotta send all those guys in the list to jio them along/ donate?

[JackOHJack]

U know if u guys did a google search... u can probably find other articles relating to this. Allow me........

 

She held her hand to her face in shock.

 

Mr Pattiselanno still requires crutches till today; more than 2 years after the fatal accident.

 

She insisted she did not know that the lights were against her.

 

And here are 2 posts from 2 bloggers.

http://anonymousxwrites.blogspot.com/2009/04/of-michelle-lim-mdm-lim-hong-eng-gets.html

http://bigtalksingapore.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/shin-min-daily-news-editor-got-1-day-jail-for-causing-accident/

 

From http://www.mycarforum.com

http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2637298

http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?showtopic=2474754&hl=

 

A flawed system that has made a "last minute" mistake, plus an extremely lenient penalty -- is the system making drivers more complacent road commuters? Also, added to the fact that most of them themselves think car insurance and the ability to make damage claims are sorry excuses to be bolder on the road?

 

You've got my name on the list too, brother!

I've read the posts on motorcycling safety and thank the efforts of all bikers who try to make our safety a priority.

 

However am i the only one who thinks this is all for nothing when the law does not protect motorcylists? I am referring to the infamous sin min editor who had her sentence reduced to 1 day's jail for killing a pillion rider and permanently maiming the rider. what kind of a message does that send out? that our lives are not worth protecting? if i did not read incorrectly it also does not mention if her 10 year ban from driving was upheld. so does this mean she's free to drive again? and is SPH still employing her, a dangerous and reckless driver?

 

I would like to write in to the media with some support from bikers here, for those who have lost friends and relatives to drivers like this and also to highlight the injustice in this case.i am sick and tired of being at the mercy of these road killers. kindly attached your names below. thank you.

 

1. Roy Lim

2. Derick Tay (helped a biker who kanna hit and run, to date, the driver have yet to be caught)

3. Darren Soh (juz wana show my support)

4. Bernardk (i dun see justice at all too)

5. Andy Li

6. Redzuan (Where's the equality)

7. Patrick ( Its time we voice out)

8. Isaac Ng (Kena hit & run 2008 feb at hougang)

9. JackOHJack - Jackson (If rich fug on bike and van driver "careless", sure driver kenna!)

10. Zongren (Its unfair to the rider, if the rider was a goldwing rider and a lawyer. the SPH lady probably would have been a bankrupt)

11. Chen Yang (They should have told her to take her appeal and shove it)

12. Nelson Chua

13. Shawn Tai

14. Elizabeth Tay

15. Kenneth Cheok (If the m'cyclist was an expatriate on a Ducati, the outcome would have been very much different)

16.AJ(ahh...who gives a fuk about my real name..and i don't give a fuk about the law)

17. Suan Heng (Please request for the Judge's deliberation document to be released in full and posted in a thread on SBF so that bikers can come to a judgement themselves)

18. Ree ( you think you run over a cat/dog huh?!, who knows rider feed the whole family for a living..)

19. Debbie Boey (I hate kayu female drivers, dunno where they wana go, what they wana do and when they wana do it.)

20. Warren Tuan

21. Chris Chua (The first accident i saw was the one on PIE, where a drunkard ran onto the expressway, and in the end caused the death of a rider.. we are already so vulnerable, yet so exploited...)

22. Mervyn Lee (Its time our collective voices ring loud and clear in all corners of our island)

23) Asy'ari (Support the cause)

24) Steven Tan ( V For Vendetta)

25) Alan Tay ( are the authorities doing their best to protect everyone??? )

26) Andrew Ang (farking hell...1 day jail n $2000 fine..telling drivers tat causing death by negligience not serious?)

27) Gurcharan Singh (her F...ing recklesness, a fellow rider dies, and sentence is lighter then ill treating a cat)

28) Jordan ho ( its like saying all rich people/white horses serve 1 day NS and we all LLST?)

29) Jason Lim (Does a motorcyclist's/pillion's life worth so little?)

30) Yuan (does she have something with the judge?)

31) Clarence Lye (is this gonna work?)

32) Vincent Wong (Ya damn unfair..hopfully the dead haunt her..Rich so wat???a life leh)

33) Allen Yu (if its a PAP minister gena hit...guess wats the outcome??)

34) Austin Lim

35) Elton Ng (IF is the $ that makes the world round then can we all here chip in $ to hire the best lawyer to return justice?)

36) Luke Ng (If the old man who was hit was Lee Kwan Yew, and the woman kill was MM's grand daughter, you think she kena Max sentence or not. By the way Telecom records showed that she (The driver) was calling her son around the time of the accident)

37) Jenson Lim (Being a new rider and benefiting from the forums here, I strongly felt there is a need to reassess this case...justice for all...)

38) Adi Suffian (i really think her 1 day in jail is not in a cell but in some cosier place for her to clock her day)

39) Joe Huang

40)Han (There's ought to be more justice than a 1 day wayang jail term!)

41)Iswandy (What if it was the judge's daughter??You think he would have handed down the same sentence?!)

42) Seah Meng Hwee (I don't think a 1-day jail and her "10 year ban from driving was upheld" is justifiable for the accident she had caused and the life lost. You mean to say our lives is just worth "a day's jail"?? Since she cannot handle a vehicle well, she should be banned from driving/riding of ALL classes for LIFE!!!)

43) Azman (Prove to the society that justice in singapore is indeed blind. Prove to us that there is still hope left for the mortal people of this country and prove to us that it is not the social standing nor the position of the person in the stand but just another human being facing his/her punishment for causing a life lost thus sentence him/her wisely. Else indeed speculations are correct and don't you dare accuse us of heresy everytime we make this statement.)

44) Yan MN (notice the power that be are more linient to society elites?remember kidney trading?remember the mediacorp artistes?chey...shame on you all!)

45) Muhammad Azman

46) Derek

47) DannyII (was green light for me to continue to cross the junction, theres this china cyclist cross when is red man and in order to siam him i jam brake and skidded, he say that in china we always cross like that and vehicles will stop for us. DAMAGES: 1)Bike(SP) condition jiat lat, 2)Abrassion on me everywhere and only pay me $5.

48) Jerrick Chew ( Sentence is even lighter than stealing, and right now you are really stealing a life. HARSHER PLS )

49) Armofpeace (anything for a good cause and also for all of the bikers here in Singapore)

50) Simon Tay

51) Fritz (A big joke seriously, life's a big joke huh)

51) AsHaRiE (They will surely sing a diff song if its their own child that died)

53) Walter Lim (The Law needs to be more transparent and fair, the sentence is reduced by too much. btw i am not a rider)

54) Stephen Lim (is it because of motorcyclist pay lesser for road tax? justice?? i don't se any)

55) Royston Cheng (A practice of double standards shown, is there any justice?)

56) Mizi (Where's JUSTICE?)

57) Noorizat ( In rememberance of 2 dear frens gone by hit-n-run cases)

58) Vemon Lu (saw the news at

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_365240.html

)

59) Kyler Tan (some people got left out, managed to recompile the list)

60) Dani (support for the cause. to hell with f**king reckless road useless)

61) Willie (We also got pay money to use the road.. fuk those reckless drivers!)

62) Eric (Negligence is not a defence,normal citizen life are cheap..)

63) William (Riders/Drivers,all are human being,doesn't mean riding bike is lower class)

64) Bro_Isk (

http://www.mycarforum.com

/index.php?showtopic=2637271&st=0 -

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_364979.html

)

65) Kelvin Yong ( It's not how much monetary compensation she can afford to give to charity.... It's how much punishment she gets from the law.... Obviously, it's not enough)

66) Darny (WHY DO THE GAHMENT SPARE THE ELITES AND EXPATS?WHY???ARE WE NORMAL CITIZENS THE LOWER CLASS?)

67) fz6blackie

68) Desmond Tan

69) JunXian

70) hann >> I agree wholeheartedly!

71) Andy - ( Give us a gun and see what we can do in order to protect ourself from your stupid law )

72) Zenn Goh Y.C - Does the law exists for the rich? Is there no justice? What a shame!

73) Mark Ong (WTF sia...)

74) Mohamad Razi

75) Huang wen yuan ( wheres justice ?)

76) Jocelyn Teo (she should be jailed longer, its a life we are talking bout)

77) quikslvr

78) zamani (my KSR is small but it doesn't mean drivers can bully me on the road! Eff to road bullies!)

79) Gabriel Ng (Hope this really helps)

80) Alif (the law doesnt seem to be applicable to the rich; i believe its time for us to stand up to this communist system)

81) Corrine Ng (on behalf of my Dearest Departed Friend XiaWei)

82) Mr Wong ( A Life is being Lost here )

83) Koon ( My wife was hit by a lady driver, who knows if its the same person??, lucky she survived, driver only got away with a fine, should have a harsher sentence, support putting them off the road)

84) tonychan(this is unfair)a life is just gone by careless.

85) Benny Huang (I hope LKY is the rider and and his son is the pillion. See wats the outcome then!)

86) Jon Tan (totally sadden and furious)

87) koh marco ( very sad to know she only get 1 day jailterm, where is justice? IS SINGAPORE A SAFE ROAD TO RIDE OR DRIVE?)

88) Neubronner ( Sg is just showing that it is corupt as other countries when money and fame is involved)

89) adesmond2 (If that's the case, someone killed someone and stated, "I'm sleepwalking")

90) alvin8787(helped a biker to do a witness who kanna hit under the mandai flyoverby a taxi which denial he break the red light and engage a lawyer last year.)

91) Bambi18(My cousin is still a vegetable because of Hit N Run)

92) zeke uchiha (Lady driver..

, not being sexism but its the truth)

93)Hirman(damn screwed up man dis sh*t)

94) wendy chen

95) Irwan aka Otai (Tis is 4 u bro, Arwah Mas Nasruddin (Al-fatihah, R.I.P), departed while on duty by a wreckless cab DRIVER!!

96) nigel mok

97) saLem77 ( arent we paying road-taxes like those f**krs whu drives??? )

98) Vellavan (is a life worth only 12k ? ..i wish i can mount a baseball bat or hockey stick on my bike ..so i can play road rash with taxis and inconsiderate drivers that almost cost most riders life)

99) Chow Ji Sin (Might as well make the rider uncle pay for scratching her SUV)

100) Gentoro

101) Ervin Chua ( Wat?? Tok on HP + rushing for late spa appt resulting in knocking down the uncle n nv do anything?? yet blamed for failing to see traffic light??? i nv failed to see traffic lights while riding pass whitley everyday!!!! is she blind!! )

102) matbikerz84 aka Shabrie ( what can i say, riders are always to be blame by drivers... especially taxi drivers)

103) Ming Toh (mktoh) (utterly disgusted.)

104) Muhammad (I feel that the fine and jail term is too low as she has taken an innocent life)

105) WingZer0 (What kind of justice is this? Hope her loved ones get the same fate!

)

106) Roland Chua (Totally disappointed by the system which handled out the sentence & the driver)

107) Chris Inuki (just revoke her la.. and the judge as well.. and her lawyer as well..)

108) Wee Li (Definitely a flawed system,may she and her family suffer the same if not worse fate

)

109) Koh YC (Karma will strike her back if no justice done)

110) Bryan (Hope the family stays strong. And hope this thread gets to some Samaritans Organisations / Charity to helpout the victims. TOUGH TIME DON'T LAST, TOUGH PERSON DO)

111) Kaiwei (Kangaroo court)

112) Yuan Feng ( 天理何在?? )

113) Wee chong (it is too light)

114) Luqman S

115) Nasir Tan

116) Sheep (Justice is blind.. damn ironic in this case.)

117) Roid Kay (Curse her flatten by drunk trailer)

118) ChinSunYung ( think this case not treated seriously )

119) Ckchow

120) Daming (I have never seen before such an unreasonable and unfair sentence in my life)

121) Ismahadie (can we do a convoy to pass the petition to relevant ppl)

122) Wangiles ( was in the cab when saw a malaysian rider fall due to a alcohol carton dropped from lorry. Cars didnt stop. Stop taxi, helped the guy and direct him to 24hr clinic. Guess what, the taxi driver dun bother to stop meter. Meter kept running. Sigh. From a $5 affair till $15.)

123) Jeevan (law made by the elite for the elite)

124) Vincent Kam(where is justice!?!?)

125) Rauff ( hope to get more fcuk face off the road)

126) Charmaine

127) Douglas Chiang (riders are not 2nd class citizen!!)

128) Lim Cheng Hong (my bad... din see the last post...)

129) Azmil ( this is inhumane ... bikers are humans too ... )

130) De Yang (Ignorance is not an excuse for killing someone, it is time we put these people out of the road)

131) Lionel Chew

132) Fazdli aka Fastlee84 (victim of a red light beating A-Hole, myself)

133) Melvyn Wan

134) Kenix Goh

135) Felicia

136) Heremy

137) Joey Ho

138) Daniel V (Gotham city seems to be a better place. As least there's batman to save us)

139) Tengku(lets get our rights!!!!)

140) Joepele

141) XanChi (Simply injustice and ruthless)

142) Kamal (Too long have we been knocked down and killed innocently with minimal punishment to those ****ers)

143) Martin Ma (So much for being a democratic society)

144) Shawn Sim

145) Chong Chie Hui

146) Hao

147) edwardthy (pissed off after reading, gimme a hell yeah)

148) Don ( most female are hazadrous otr! always gives "a duno what happen face" and innocent expression when accidents happens!)

149) Nigel(Addictive) Where is the justice? to hell with the road killer.

150) YS (wat a discrimination against bikers)

151) Qingfu (she deserves more punishment than that! Even a thief gets few years jail term! i dun think killing a person should only get ONE DAY OF JAIL!)

152) Suryadi (More can be done, and more should've been done. If i happen to kill someone, I also want a 1 day sentence.)

153) Shahril

154) geraki - hope she can see all this respond...print them out and mail to her...

155) Frederick - ( WE MUST BE RESPECTED EVEN IF WE'RE SMALL AND ALSO WE SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE CARS WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SPACE ON THE ROAD.)

156) Apiez

157) Jackson Wong (On 1 hand, we talk about road safety, on the other hand, such sentence took placed...)

158) Scott - Safety First, Stay Alive.

159) Double Brotherz ( I m sure there should be a better judgement, Was this case treated seriously?? a innocent life was lost!!!)

160) Mahmood Abdul Hakam (Roads are getting dangerous these days, a few days ago a taxi juz jammed brake infront of me, then he saw me fishtailing so he had to keep moving. He still got guts to show me the finger for making him lose his customer. is my life that worthless?)

161? Elaneethan Rajasingham ( Have been a victim of hit and run before. Also a victim of unfair judgement by the law. Things have to change )

162) Hakim Zainol (Victim of unfair judgement)

163) Arie Kelevra (just joining the cause)

164) Toy NG aka Mutant_sheep (im just againts reckless drivers, no matter they are boy or girls, untie or uncle, rich or poor, drive taxi or ferrari or EVO or WRX or sports car wanna be!!!)

165) New Yi Qing (just because they are driving cars, doesn't mean they have the rights to be reckless!!!~~~)

166) Sukri (friend died in an accident at yio chu kang link 7 feb 08 junction hit by a car)

167) Taklehtido - Rudy (black ribbon project/black stipes on bike could be symbolic or better Kangaroo Logo on bikes)

168) aloysiuschia

169)scooters (hope justice can be served)

170)boyvin (hope she will reap what she sowed!!)

171) David Tan ( Does it mean driver pay more road tax & they can have the "RIGHTS" to KILL SOMEONE? WAKE UP THE IDEA DRIVER) ( Lesser Taxi will help to save more motorcylist life, lesser accident. 1 day jailed & 2k fine? I guess more driver will kill more motorcylist life)

172) Zainul

173) Zai ( this means i can just hit ppl and get 1day jail? wow fantastic wad a good law we have here! thanx judge..mayb we can find the editor and make her kiss the bumper or dunlop tyre to death and get 1day jail ...see wad they feels)wanna know wheres justice? its in their money!!!

174) Zoravar (Had countless near misses, lucky enough to be putting my name down.)

175) Dean_46 ( All i can say is F*CK THE SYSTEM!!!!!

176) Pyro13 (can i meet the person face to face)??

177) 9up Md. (another let down on local traffic "LAW". Believe > what goes around comes around, even to those that "decide" the "LAW":thumb:.)

178) piggyback1974

179) Baorong - - - Justice bent by law, of which bent by 'he who shuld not be named' we can nvr evr win

179) Bryan Zhou (These kind of reckless drivers should be banned from driving for life! It's injustice!)

180) Weichun (Motorcyclist ain't lesser of a human, we are talking about a life lost FOREVER)

181) zhenghui (sincerely hope the same will not happen if her family happens to be involved in similar accidents)

182) Ashraf (Have TP review the system, If not i will enroll license till class 5 and roll over F**k up drivers, with me getting 1 day jail and fine only. If this carry on until the matter is not brought up to the TP or ministers, drivers will be killers.)

183)yanero(Bikers unite!)

184) Lionel Ng (Firstly, it's provened again that Sillypore's law only protect the elites and the rich, to hell with the poor and commoners like us. All of us are darn sure what are the damn consequences of that biatch if the victims were some LKY or LHL. Secondly, it further reinforced that if you want to kill someone, do it on the road. Punishment is just one day jail.)

185) Andrew Leong(Its like telling everyone that: If u want to kill someone... just run them over with a car.)

186) Joseph Neo (We hit a car, our fault. We kena hit by car, not their fault. Both ways, we might get injured or even worse, die. So at the very least some rule be passed so that we'll be protected slightly more, that's all we ask for.)

187) Giles-Damien

188) CpCruiser98 (Unity is Strength)

189) Thay Xian Rong

190) Eva Zakiyah

191) Shaun (Lets make it 200!)

192) Ken- wheres justice?

193) Stanley Tan-Horn everytime you think there's a blind spot!

194) Nurain Omar

195) ian ismail (we're with you!)

196) Benjamin - Basket, Rider's life not a life ah!

197) Andrew Low - Lets believe in Karma....

198) Allen yu - All lives are equal! Be it the President or the Sweeper or even King Harry himself! no such thing as who's live is more impt or more valuable then the other! This kind of injustice is unacceptable!The essence of Democracy is one where the majority respects the rights of the minority; otherwise we risk becoming a tyranny of the majority!!!

199) Jimmy Kerk - if i run over her using a car means i also will only get 1 day jail and 2k fine??? if yes den i will do it... and i believe alot of people will do it too... because life is CHEAP!!!!!

200)khairul ummam

201) Syah Rudin aka Dinzmetal

202) Evoscythe - this is totally unfair. we should hand up the petition to bring up the case and re-judge it again! >

 

Please keep things away from politics.

[JackOHJack]

allthose interested in paperger85's proposal of combination of Hair for Hope and Safety For ALL Road Users, do pm me ur email and hp no!

[paperger85]

hehez. sounds interesting.

 

so how? all 200 of us go shave?! :lol:

 

I suppose no one can say we are wrong for holding a banner that says "Fairness and Safety for ALL road users" with indicative motorcycle logos/ pictures as well?

 

but the 5 july event is for the kids, we can borrow a bit of limelight ah?

 

paperger85: to shave our heads, it's $30 per head right? so we gotta send all those guys in the list to jio them along/ donate?

 

yar lor. its for a good cause and confirm we dont need to call the media also we can get noticed sia. haha...

 

only problem is. will we get a place to shave?

[JackOHJack]

we discuss further ba, check ur pm for my email!

Edited June 29, 2009 by JackOHJack

[Baphomet]

this hair for hope thing i tried to sign up for it online..but it says registrations are over??

[bernardk]

Its shaving anyway. We shave ourselves. lagi steady. And we clear up the place ourselves.

[JackOHJack]

ya, over le, but no one will stop u (us) if we wanna go over to donate more $!

 

i supposed there are walk-ins as well.

[BigDogs]

Haiz i feel very sad, nothing yet done to help us riders who are being killed innocently on the roads today.

[paperger85]

Yes, walk in are welcome.

[Baphomet]

Haiz i feel very sad, nothing yet done to help us riders who are being killed innocently on the roads today.

 

i understand what u felt...but ...what to do...? in Singapore you passionate ..ppl say you radical...you fight for your rights....ppl say you trouble-maker..bor bian lah bro.

[paperger85]

i understand what u felt...but ...what to do...? in Singapore you passionate ..ppl say you radical...you fight for your rights....ppl say you trouble-maker..bor bian lah bro.

 

yar lor. you voice your thoughts people say you talk too much, making trouble...etc.

 

happens in forums also. heehee...

[jacktkk]

I stumble on this thread today. Didn't know about this before hand. Did some googling.

 

http://www.zimbio.com/Singapore+Travel+and+Expats/articles/179/Killer+Road+Receives+Slap+Wrist

 

OMG

 

1 day and $2000 for breaking a red light and kill a human being.

 

haiz. too light.

[paperger85]

So who is going tomorrow? A raise of hands please!

[JackOHJack]

yawnz..

 

apparently only baphomet got back to me on my pm.

 

i'll just take it that everyone is too busy with their work, particularly with the economy downturn looming in the background.

 

Neh mind ba, as expected, not surprised.

[Baphomet]

huh....like i very free like that lol...maybe we can link up with another biking group which is going for the event as well. The Lightriders. a christian biker group.

[Bluetooth]

yawnz..

 

apparently only baphomet got back to me on my pm.

 

i'll just take it that everyone is too busy with their work, particularly with the economy downturn looming in the background.

 

Neh mind ba, as expected, not surprised.

 

 

Correction.

 

Sinkes all cow peh cow bu about unfairness, how elites are treated differently against the common peasants.

 

But when asked to show real support ( in risk of being prosecuted first for illegal gathering and then for being against the 'system' )- Nobody will really show up!..hahahaha

[Baphomet]

Correction.

 

Sinkes all cow peh cow bu about unfairness, how elites are treated differently against the common peasants.

 

But when asked to show real support ( in risk of being prosecuted first for illegal gathering and then for being against the 'system' )- Nobody will really show up!..hahahaha

 

well not true. if there's one I will definately show up!

[bernardk]

So who is going tomorrow? A raise of hands please!

 

i tot you say 5th july??? Its a sunday leh. Tml is sexturday leh

[paperger85]

i tot you say 5th july??? Its a sunday leh. Tml is sexturday leh

 

I blur lah....haha...

[paperger85]

yawnz..

 

apparently only baphomet got back to me on my pm.

 

i'll just take it that everyone is too busy with their work, particularly with the economy downturn looming in the background.

 

Neh mind ba, as expected, not surprised.

 

Eh...i never reply because i already am going. hah....lazy to reply lah..

[bernardk]

I blur lah....haha...

 

alamakz.... hahaha

[JackOHJack]

huh....like i very free like that lol...maybe we can link up with another biking group which is going for the event as well. The Lightriders. a christian biker group.

 

i din mean it that way. for the record, im grateful that u r willing to want to contact the guys.

 

Correction.

 

Sinkes all cow peh cow bu about unfairness, how elites are treated differently against the common peasants.

 

But when asked to show real support ( in risk of being prosecuted first for illegal gathering and then for being against the 'system' )- Nobody will really show up!..hahahaha

 

No la, we not trying to anti-anything. juz intended to support hope for hair, while maybe carry banner stating "Safety and Fairness For ALL Road Users".

 

Not about asking for re-verdict or anything, juz wanna create awareness ofsafety and fairness.

 

But ya, ppl ish busy, so not easy to coordinate.

 

Eh...i never reply because i already am going. hah....lazy to reply lah..

 

i noe u going, but if only 3 of us, we go down there and shout ah? ltr ppl think we siao gin nah..

 

was thinking if 200 of us contribute somehow, through vit m, or volunteer shavee, or go down physical support, at least still something. We say wanna do the banner, also not done ma, u ish getch wat i mean? cannot be go down do hand signal ma?

 

perhaps we could have better coordination ba.