TP is always right?

[-tRuSt-]

whatever they say... we will be wrong... they are the king... look at how they ride on our roads even when they are not heading to an accident,etc... they can ride this way..., but we cant...

 

met alot of unreasonable ones... bo bian... LL...

[f3nG]

yeah

sad but true..

 

[yanuk]

this is the system 66% of you wanted. wahahah

Anyway, writing to ST is of little use. ST is headed by ex-gamen officers. Dunno how much journalism experience he has in his resume before assuming the post.

[Arcfire]

Power corrupts..... And if they were to admit they made a mistake, everyone would start to question every fine, summon they recieve. Eventually it'll make the police force look incompetent/crap(though it probably is anyway). Guess they wouldn't want that to happen.

[Guest Nick_li]

Originally posted by d'Wizard@Nov 9 2006, 10:09 AM

But law by law, they should hand out summon equally and fairly..yes i have broken the law but do i deserve this fine?

 

its like i accidently killed someone but im charged with 1st degree murder now!

 

And yes the TP will tell me hes doing his dirty job..but hes definitely not doing his job well!

yo... u have a point... but the fact that u deliberately do it... they will be thinking... 'wah this guy think he can outsmart us... teach him a lesson!'

 

in this case, u noe the law... but u still offend... so they'll charge u base on that... means u "deliberately stab someone, but the guy didn't die"... hahaha!!!

 

pls dude... i'm not against you nor am i a TP... ppl pls dun flame me... i'm juz looking at this matter from the TP's point of view...

[yanuk]

Originally posted by Nick_li@Nov 9 2006, 11:55 PM

yo... u have a point... but the fact that u deliberately do it... they will be thinking... 'wah this guy think he can outsmart us... teach him a lesson!'

 

in this case, u noe the law... but u still offend... so they'll charge u base on that... means u "deliberately stab someone, but the guy didn't die"... hahaha!!!

 

pls dude... i'm not against you nor am i a TP... ppl pls dun flame me... i'm juz looking at this matter from the TP's point of view...

law doesn't work like that. In order to constitute an offence. you need to prove that the intention is there (Mens Rea) and the actual physical form of doing it(Actus Reus).

 

In the case of murder, if I have the thought of killing and I stabbed someone.. but he doesn't die, then I cannot be tried for murder but probably something else, attempted murder or causing grevious hurt, etc.. Same case applies here, he knows it's wrong yet he parked there, BUT he didn't park within the penalty zone. He shouldn't be punished for something he didn't do.

 

I hope you guys get the picture. It's not like what you see in the shows on TV "know the law, break the law add one more sentence" Everyone knows it's wrong to litter.. and yet so many does it.. so how much can of the sentence can we double from precedence cases?

 

It is hard to prove your case, but you might want to speak to someone who really knows the law (eg: lawyer) to fight your case. Everyone in here can only tell you what they know to their individual's knowledge, but different people's knowledge may come from different perceptions and interpretations of the law and worst of all...hearsay. Take everything as a reference and a pinch of salt (including mine if you want).

 

It all depends on how much you want to spend to clear your name and 3points.

 

Ignorance is not an excuse in court of law.

[dWizard]

Originally posted by yanuk@Nov 10 2006, 03:35 PM

law doesn't work like that. In order to constitute an offence. you need to prove that the intention is there (Mens Rea) and the actual physical form of doing it(Actus Reus).

 

In the case of murder, if I have the thought of killing and I stabbed someone.. but he doesn't die, then I cannot be tried for murder but probably something else, attempted murder or causing grevious hurt, etc.. Same case applies here, he knows it's wrong yet he parked there, BUT he didn't park within the penalty zone. He shouldn't be punished for something he didn't do.

 

I hope you guys get the picture. It's not like what you see in the shows on TV "know the law, break the law add one more sentence" Everyone knows it's wrong to litter.. and yet so many does it.. so how much can of the sentence can we double from precedence cases?

 

It is hard to prove your case, but you might want to speak to someone who really knows the law (eg: lawyer) to fight your case. Everyone in here can only tell you what they know to their individual's knowledge, but different people's knowledge may come from different perceptions and interpretations of the law and worst of all...hearsay. Take everything as a reference and a pinch of salt (including mine if you want).

 

It all depends on how much you want to spend to clear your name and 3points.

 

Ignorance is not an excuse in court of law.

thanks bro...u have said what i wanted to say...haha.yes im seeking advice from a lawyer friend now...chances are slim according to her. The only reason i posted this here is to see anybody share the same experience

[GetzX]

So the place where he parked did not have any lines at all ? where is the location so we can take note . ???

[Siao_Liao]

Originally posted by d'Wizard@Nov 8 2006, 11:05 AM

hi people,

 

Yours truly was recently being booked by a TP for parking on double yellow zig zag lines.This offence constitutes a $120 fine and 3 demerit points.

 

The fact is, not any part of my vehicle was on or within the double yellow zig zag lines. I parked right after the lines end knowing it would be a cheaper fine if i were to be booked. I even got down the vehicle to check that the van was not on the lines. ( It was a good 3 feet away from the lines)

 

Naturally, i felt incensed by the summon, so i wrote an appeal letter to TP. It got rejected. Then, i sought my MP and got him to write an appeal letter. That letter got rejected too.

 

Yesterday, i personally went down to Ubi to lodge an appeal..Guess what the appeal officer said..."our officers are trained!how are we going to face the public if our officers make mistakes?"

 

Despite how hard i tried to convince her that i did not commit the said offence, she turned me down flat.

 

Heres what she said (after she got bored with my explanations):" if u wanna dispute this decision, u can tell the judge at the court. BUT let me warn u,not saying i do not trust u,but it is my duty to tell u that the fine will be much bigger than this sum if u do not compound the offence now and go to court."

 

Was she indirectly telling me that i will lose my case?

 

Those TPs (traffic pests to me..haha) wont make mistake?they are only humans....

 

I understand in this case, its words against words.But i really feel hard done by this accusation.Its not about the fine$$$, but being wronged is hard to swallow.

 

By the way, i have checked the rule before i lodged my appeal. It clearly stated "parking of vehicle on or within the zig zag lines".

 

Anyone gone thru this before? I would like to hear views and advices from anyone who would like to share.

aiya..tp is not always right. there was this time where i was going to turn right into a minor road. i saw the tp inside the minor road and therfore i signal right waiting behind a car. when the road was clear...we both filter right. guess wat..the tp wave the car to go off and then stop me. i was wondering..wtf? ok..nvm..i got down and he say i was going the opposite the flow of traffic. as u know..minor road only got 1 lane for each flow of traffic..

 

i was sooOOoOoo angry? i didn't even go out of the continuos white line lor!!! and after aguring for a damn ****ing long time...he haf nothing to say as i tell him i will get the car infront as the withness if he wana issue me a summon like that. since he haf nothing more ot say..guess wat...he say i nv signal!!! hahahahahahah...ccb!!! i already gif the damn signal already lor...and i told him...is it ur eye playing trick on u or my signal light not working?? ok..fine..i told him...since u say i nv signal..u haf evidence? and after a heated agrument, he ask me to go off. i had since lodge a compaint agaisnt this TP and i will bring this matter up to my MP if my compaint lead to no action taken.

[contrarian]

The TP can only accuse you of committing the offence. The charge they send to you clearly states that you can dispute the offence and stand trial if you don't agree.

 

In court, as it is the word of a public servant acting in the course of duty against yours, in the absence of any other evidence or mitigating factors, the judge will usually prefer the evidence of the law enforcement team. [note the judge doesn't choose which version is right because that is impossible - he can only choose which version the law prefers on the balance of the evidence and factors he sees]

 

It is not that TP officers don't make mistakes. The court prefers to believe that they have done their duty correctly if it is just the word of the accused against the law enforcement without any other evidence. Reasons include - they do this regularly as part of their job, they have no reason to falsely accuse you...

 

This is why the TP officer at HQ told you what she did - she is merely stating the strengths of your case as well as your rights.

 

However, if you do have other supporting evidence, then perhaps this may help to persuade the judge. Since you don't have any, your lawyer has basically given you the same advice as the TP appeals officer - you can try, but your chances are low and hence it's not advisable to stand trial.