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Originally posted by Wei_De@Sep 6 2005, 01:02 AM

white is nice... like it alot... too bad singapore dun hv white vtec version...

well can always respray ;)

theres 1 guy who respray with red honda wings veri nice~~ :thumb:

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Originally posted by koma@Sep 6 2005, 01:20 AM

well can always respray ;)

theres 1 guy who respray with red honda wings veri nice~~ :thumb:

huh... buy le den stil need to spend money respray... if so den i rather leave it as it is le lor... bike is stil e same just color difference only la...

Posted
Originally posted by HamsterZ@Aug 30 2005, 10:14 PM

this pic has been around for soo many months liaos. wunder whats it really gonna be man.

 

next month we shall feast on the new VFR.. Check out the VFRdiscussion. No pics yet but it will be a V4,1000cc power plant.

 

Yippee.. finally more oommpphhh

Hi Hamz!

 

Long time no see.....abt the 06 VFR..yea..it think iz a better idea keeping her a V4 and add in 200 more cc among other things for some punch (as if its not enuff oredy), though insurance might suffer abit now that she is in the 1 Liter range.

 

The V5 we all had hoped might well push the price of the new machine way beyond the reach of many. RIght now....current models is around $11K USD.

 

a V5 replacement ??? (shudders at that tot)

 

:sweat:

You Tailgate, I Jam Brake!

To Eliminate that False sense of achievement , Pick on bikes your own c.c.

 

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Originally posted by koma@Sep 6 2005, 01:20 AM

well can always respray ;)

theres 1 guy who respray with red honda wings veri nice~~ :thumb:

FYI, it is not resprayed. it is a full set of fairings. :sweat:

Ride hard & safe...

Posted
Originally posted by Shay@Sep 7 2005, 03:27 AM

Hi Hamz!

 

Long time no see.....abt the 06 VFR..yea..it think iz a better idea keeping her a V4 and add in 200 more cc among other things for some punch (as if its not enuff oredy), though insurance might suffer abit now that she is in the 1 Liter range.

 

The V5 we all had hoped might well push the price of the new machine way beyond the reach of many. RIght now....current models is around $11K USD.

 

a V5 replacement ??? (shudders at that tot)

 

:sweat:

hihi.... so hows ur decision after taking a ride on my viffer? or r u waiting for the '06 version?

Ride hard & safe...

Posted
Originally posted by HamsterZ@Sep 8 2005, 02:18 AM

hihi.... so hows ur decision after taking a ride on my viffer? or r u waiting for the '06 version?

Yoyo,

 

Well... at least gg to be another 6 months or more to make up my mind....RC51, 636, and now the yummy yammy R6....the choices are now mind-boggling.

but it definitely felt good riding your bike.....The V4 vibe immediately got me! Deep inside..i'd still prefer a Vee.

 

I also have no choice but to wait and see how the 06 version fairs (and cost!!)

Getting a new bike there is not a bad deal as i feel dealership aftersales services there is quite excellent! HRCA! :cheer: cant wait!

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2006 Honda Interceptor/Interceptor ABS Features

 

Torrance, Calif. 09/07/2005 --

 

The enduring Interceptor boasts a host of changes for 2006, including a revamped VTEC system and a plethora of styling upgrades.

 

Features & Benefits

 

New for 2006

 

New ECU mapping engages VTEC at 6400 rpm to better match the four-valve power curve, producing a smoother power transition.

New clear turn signal lenses front and rear provide a high-tech look.

New gradient on windshield for cleaner, sharper styling.

Styling on tachometer face makes numbers easier to read.

Satin finish treatment on muffler covers and exhaust heat shield for distinctive styling.

New silver finish on clutch and brake master cylinders.

Front cowling center piece color matched to body for integrated styling.

New colors are Pearl White and Pearl Black.

 

Unique features

 

Revolutionary VTEC combines the power characteristics of both two-valve and four-valve cylinder head designs. The engine runs on two-valves-per-cylinder below 6400 rpm and then switches to four-valves-per-cylinder, delivering significantly stronger low-end and mid-range torque, while maintaining the Interceptor's impressive high-rpm power delivery.

The 2006 Interceptor® meets the California Air Resources Board (CARB) 2008 emissions standards.

Silent-type cam-chain drive eliminates mechanical gear noise. The system features a set of dual tensioners that maintain optimal pressure and lubrication for the camshaft chains, ensuring quiet operation and long life.

Programmed fuel injection (PGM-FI) uses four laser-drilled 12-hole injectors, for finer fuel atomization, improved combustion efficiency, reduced emissions and increased power.

Iridium-tip spark plugs are ignited by compact high-energy coil-on-plug spark plug caps that produce a strong, high-voltage spark.

Unique NR-style center-up exhaust system incorporates two stainless steel mufflers tucked snugly under the Interceptor's tail section.

Clutch features an offset outside friction plate for quiet operation when starting from a stop.

Three-phase coil-spring damper in the transmission provides for smooth upshifts.

Large-diameter, 43mm Honda Multi-Action System (HMAS) cartridge front fork provides enhanced handling under all riding conditions.

Four brilliant multi-reflector headlights employ two centrally positioned H4 low/high beams positioned under two widely spaced H7 high beams for brilliant nighttime illumination.

5.8-gallon fuel capacity.

 

Engine/Drivetrain

 

Compact, 781cc DOHC 90¡ V-4 with an oversquare bore and stroke of 72mm x 48mm.

Combustion chambers feature an 11.6:1 compression ratio and are fed by programmed fuel injection through short, straight intake ports.

Interceptor engine serves as a stressed member of the pivotless frame, which features specially designed engine mounting bolts tuned to work in harmony with the damping characteristics of the frame.

Aluminum composite cylinder sleeves are high-pressure-formed from sintered aluminum powder impregnated with ceramic and graphite. The composite sleeves provide better wear resistance and superior heat dissipation compared to conventional sleeves.

Cast aluminum pistons feature LUB-Coat solid lubricant to minimize friction between piston and cylinder wall.

Auto-enriching system is integrated into PGM-FI module, optimizing the air/fuel mixture on cold starts and eliminating the need for a manual choke.

Solenoid-operated dual-air-intake-duct design keeps one duct closed during low-speed operation to ensure optimal control of air intake velocity.

Dual side-mounted radiators maximize cooling efficiency using low-air-pressure areas created by side cowls to draw cooling air through the radiators. During low-speed operation, a thermostat-controlled left-side fan pulls cooling air across the radiator into the fairing, keeping hot air away from the rider.

Rugged 125mm-diameter eight-plate clutch offers light weight and high load capacity.

Exceptionally smooth-shifting six-speed transmission.

 

Chassis/Suspension

 

Triple-box-section twin-spar aluminum frame features a tuned, pivotless design that isolates the engine-mounted swingarm from the frame and contributes to handling comfort.

Interceptor's beautiful Pro Arm® single-side cast aluminum swingarm, mounted to the engine, provides an optimal balance of rigidity and tuned flex for superb handling.

Pro-Link® rear suspension features a 40mm gas-charged HMAS shock with 4.7 inches of travel and adjustable spring preload and rebound damping. (ABS-equipped model has a convenient spring preload adjustment knob.) The Pro-Link arm is anchored directly to a cast aluminum bracket on the rear of the engine case.

Linked Braking System (LBS™) uses a second master cylinder and a proportional control valve (PCV) to couple the three-piston calipers of the dual-front and single-rear brake discs for even better braking feel, while providing the peace of mind of an LBS system. Using the front brake lever activates the outer two pistons of the left-side front caliper, all three pistons of the right-side caliper and the center piston of the rear caliper. Rear pedal engagement activates the two outer pistons of the rear caliper and the center piston in the left-front caliper.

The Interceptor's 296mm floating front brake discs feature a lightweight seven-spoke inner rotor design.

U-section cast aluminum wheels are light and reduce unsprung weight.

The six-spoke, 3.5-inch-wide front wheel carries a 120/70ZR-17 radial tire. The five-spoke, 5.5-inch rear wheel sports a wide, low-profile 180/55ZR-17 radial tire.

 

Additional Features

 

The Interceptor's sleek, aerodynamic bodywork is functional as well as beautiful.

Air flowing through a central air vent under the front windshield provides cool air to the rider at low speeds and increases rider comfort at higher speeds.

A second model is available with Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) for even better braking control.

High-tech instrument display includes electronic tachometer, LCD readouts for speedometer, air temperature, coolant temperature, odometer, two tripmeters, and clock.

ACG output of 497 watts.

Detachable seat offers access to space to carry U-lock and other necessities. (Lock not included.)

Removable passenger seat cowl.

Adjustable brake and clutch levers.

Injection-molded nylon passenger grabrails are comfortable to the touch in cold or hot weather.

Folding aerodynamic mirrors.

Handlebar switches and controls use internationally approved ISO graphic symbols.

Transferable one-year, unlimited-mileage limited warranty; extended coverage available with a Honda Protection Plan.

Ownership includes one-year complimentary membership for an individual in the Honda Rider's Club of America™ (HRCA®). Benefits include: discounts, travel benefits, roadside assistance, one year of Honda Red Rider™ magazine, access to HRCA Clubhouse Web site (http://www.hrca.honda.com) and access online to Honda Common Service Manual. For HRCA details, call 1-800-847-HRCA. For dealers only, please call (310) 783-3958.

 

Available accessories

 

Touring Accessories: Color-matched Hard Saddlebags, Sport Touring Trunk, Saddlebag Liner Set, Trunk Liner.

 

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Man Oh Man oh Man.

 

After all the months of hype and speculations...

 

Another 4 years of the same.

 

damn BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.:mad:

 

No disrespect for the current 6th genners, but I was hoping for fresh eye candy.

 

Noticed the Blackbird is missing from the lineup .. room for continued speculations ...

Posted
Originally posted by Shay@Sep 8 2005, 02:57 AM

Yoyo,

 

Well... at least gg to be another 6 months or more to make up my mind....RC51, 636, and now the yummy yammy R6....the choices are now mind-boggling.

but it definitely felt good riding your bike.....The V4 vibe immediately got me! Deep inside..i'd still prefer a Vee.

 

I also have no choice but to wait and see how the 06 version fairs (and cost!!)

Getting a new bike there is not a bad deal as i feel dealership aftersales services there is quite excellent! HRCA! :cheer: cant wait!

yeha you are right.. thr new R6 is really tempting. i am awaiting for the first shipment. Wundering hows the posture and reviews. Buy now straight away parts shortage.

Ride hard & safe...

Posted
Originally posted by HamsterZ@Sep 8 2005, 06:10 PM

yeha you are right.. thr new R6 is really tempting. i am awaiting for the first shipment. Wundering hows the posture and reviews. Buy now straight away parts shortage.

Yea...y dun you hold on abit on the R6 1st. let them sort out the teething problems of the 1st batches i'd always say.

 

anyhooz, i dun think you are very much tempted to change to the new VFR now eh? Not much changes i suppose except the revised Vtec, cam chain tensioner , some cosmetic changes and......she shaved off 2 pounds this year! I'd hang on to that sweet bike for another year if i were you! :cheer:

 

In the meanwhile we can all kiss the V5 dream goodbye. :cry:

You Tailgate, I Jam Brake!

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Posted
Originally posted by Shay@Sep 9 2005, 01:58 AM

Yea...y dun you hold on abit on the R6 1st. let them sort out the teething problems of the 1st batches i'd always say.

 

anyhooz, i dun think you are very much tempted to change to the new VFR now eh? Not much changes i suppose except the revised Vtec, cam chain tensioner , some cosmetic changes and......she shaved off 2 pounds this year! I'd hang on to that sweet bike for another year if i were you! :cheer:

 

In the meanwhile we can all kiss the V5 dream goodbye. :cry:

yah man.. what a let down...In fact i fid thje clear signal ugly (IMHO). And NO RED!!!

 

high chance i will keep my ViffeR man. But the new R6 is still tempting... I wunder if they have it in RED??

 

Sianz no V5. :cry: :cry: :cry:

Ride hard & safe...

Posted
Originally posted by Wei_De@Sep 9 2005, 12:50 AM

can i ask... how many VFR riders in singapore huh??? curious...

well.. from what I personally know and met..

 

erm.. so far 12

 

red x 05

silver x 02

black x03

blue x 01

dark blue x01

 

But there should be more than 20 since 2002

Ride hard & safe...

Posted
Originally posted by HamsterZ@Sep 9 2005, 06:31 PM

well.. from what I personally know and met..

 

erm.. so far 12

 

red x 05

silver x 02

black x03

blue x 01

dark blue x01

 

But there should be more than 20 since 2002

thankz dude! actually not much hor... hmmm... scared got probs den no one noe how to service or repair it... e new '06 model is e same as '05 model or so to say, same since e '02 model... but '06 got WHITE one!!!!!! hmmm... fetish abt white... haha!!! :cheer:

 

check out e new '06 model:

 

http://powersports.honda.com/motorcycles/s...odelId=VFR800A6

 

 

wonder how much will it cost for this bike?

Posted
Originally posted by Wei_De@Sep 9 2005, 08:30 PM

thankz dude! actually not much hor... hmmm... scared got probs den no one noe how to service or repair it...

Hi all Viffers owners past and present. From time to time, we have queries from potential owners such as Wei-de who is wary of reliability problems with VFRs. I wonder how many of us viffers has actually encountered non-scheduled maintenance or reliability/breakdown problems. Perhaps we can draw up a list and see what we come up with. Do not include routine or scheduled maintenance and replacement such as chains, sprockets, brake pads etc ie wear and tear items.

 

Let me start. Thanx.

 

1. vfrT - '98 VFR800 (sold at about 80,000km) - rectifier spoilt at 50,000km. Replacement cost $210. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

2. vfrT - '99 VFR800 (still in use) - No problems. Present mileage 42000km. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

3.

Posted

Good start, not many people will like to disclose problems with their bike.

 

1. vfrT - '98 VFR800 (sold at about 80,000km) - rectifier spoilt at 50,000km. Replacement cost $210. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

 

2. vfrT - '99 VFR800 (still in use) - No problems. Present mileage 42000km. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

 

3. None - '02 VFR800Vtec (still in use 61,000km)

- Fan thermostat at 56,000km

- Pair of tensioners at 59,000km

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Good start, not many people will like to disclose problems with their bike.

 

1. vfrT - '98 VFR800 (sold at about 80,000km) - rectifier spoilt at 50,000km. Replacement cost $210. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

 

2. vfrT - '99 VFR800 (still in use) - No problems. Present mileage 42000km. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

 

3. None - '02 VFR800Vtec (still in use 61,000km)

- Fan thermostat at 56,000km

- Pair of tensioners at 59,000km

 

4. HamsterZ - '03 VFR800A3 (still in use, covering 39,000km from 0km) -

1. No problems. No oil leaks, no oil loss (oil level is checked every saturday mornings :sweat:)

2. No coolant top up (but coolant replaced annually)

3. Side stand bracket M10 bolt vibrated out & dropped of suddenly w/o knowing at about 35,000km. Attached personal service info. (kindly PM if any queries as vfrT mentioned no usually maintainence to be brought up :smile: )

 

 

http://home.pacific.net.sg/~stanley/service%20info.xls

Ride hard & safe...

Posted

Good start, not many people will like to disclose problems with their bike.

 

1. vfrT - '98 VFR800 (sold at about 80,000km) - rectifier spoilt at 50,000km. Replacement cost $210. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

 

2. vfrT - '99 VFR800 (still in use) - No problems. Present mileage 42000km. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

 

3. None - '02 VFR800Vtec (still in use 61,000km)

- Fan thermostat at 56,000km

- Pair of tensioners at 59,000km

 

4. HamsterZ - '03 VFR800A3 (still in use, covering 39,000km from 0km) -

1. No problems. No oil leaks, no oil loss (oil level is checked every saturday mornings )

2. No coolant top up (but coolant replaced annually)

3. Side stand bracket M10 bolt vibrated out & dropped of suddenly w/o knowing at about 35,000km. Attached personal service info. (kindly PM if any queries as vfrT mentioned no usually maintainence to be brought up )

 

 

5. Koma 02 VFR800A2 (bought at 8000km sold at 46000km)

- no coolant n oil top up ever needed

- magnetic coil burnt at round 30000km resulting in underchargin of battery n therefore alot of push starting of the bike until problem was found out (replacement coil $300)

Posted

none got the best bike ever!!! :cheeky: i miss the feeling of being on a VFR v stable and hope tat if 1 day IF i ever get class 2, i want a VFR oso but for gal kinda heavy leh

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Originally posted by koma@Sep 10 2005, 09:39 PM

Good start, not many people will like to disclose problems with their bike.

 

1. vfrT - '98 VFR800 (sold at about 80,000km) - rectifier spoilt at 50,000km. Replacement cost $210. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

 

2. vfrT - '99 VFR800 (still in use) - No problems. Present mileage 42000km. Not a single drop of oil leaked, or oil or coolant top-up needed.

 

3. None - '02 VFR800Vtec (still in use 61,000km)

- Fan thermostat at 56,000km

- Pair of tensioners at 59,000km

 

4. HamsterZ - '03 VFR800A3 (still in use, covering 39,000km from 0km) -

1. No problems. No oil leaks, no oil loss (oil level is checked every saturday mornings )

2. No coolant top up (but coolant replaced annually)

3. Side stand bracket M10 bolt vibrated out & dropped of suddenly w/o knowing at about 35,000km. Attached personal service info. (kindly PM if any queries as vfrT mentioned no usually maintainence to be brought up )

 

 

5. Koma 02 VFR800A2 (bought at 8000km sold at 46000km)

- no coolant n oil top up ever needed

- magnetic coil burnt at round 30000km resulting in underchargin of battery n therefore alot of push starting of the bike until problem was found out (replacement coil $300)

Koma .. i have 1 question....

 

before you started pushing your bike, may i know what other symptoms did you encounter? Maybe

 

1. Difficult to crank? but is OK after riding?

2. crank up and engine dies?

3. Resting voltage? Starting current?

 

I check my battery once every 2 weeks. So it might be useful if there are more information on "tell-tale" signs. @15kg dry ain't very convenient to push around.. especally to start! :sweat:

Ride hard & safe...

Posted
Originally posted by Lass@Sep 10 2005, 09:39 PM

none got the best bike ever!!! :cheeky: i miss the feeling of being on a VFR v stable and hope tat if 1 day IF i ever get class 2, i want a VFR oso but for gal kinda heavy leh

Yup.. generally, most VFRs i know has the least "usua" problem encountered in sportsbikes. Kindly bullet proof as they say :cheer:

 

Well if you have class 2, you can consider a VFR. Heavy? it is heavy but ain't heavy as you expect. There was a forumer (Julia if you know her from SBF). She rides a red VFR too. But she looked for "greener" pastures.. and got something in that same color... and real fast machine :smile: :smile:

 

Only slight difficulty is during parking and carpark manouvers. But who cares. I do it slowly too! When you are riding, you will not feel the hefty weight obscuring your agility much. (unless you are talking about outright track attack!)

 

Consider the bike. Take a ride, have a feel. Stardust took a rode my ViffeR from N-S highway till meleka. Tink she fel a bit in love! :sweat: :smile: :lovestruck:

Ride hard & safe...

Posted
Originally posted by HamsterZ@Sep 10 2005, 09:53 PM

Koma .. i have 1 question....

 

before you started pushing your bike, may i know what other symptoms did you encounter? Maybe

 

1. Difficult to crank? but is OK after riding?

2. crank up and engine dies?

3. Resting voltage? Starting current?

 

I check my battery once every 2 weeks. So it might be useful if there are more information on "tell-tale" signs. @15kg dry ain't very convenient to push around.. especally to start! :sweat:

it will only die on me when i go into town and the fan keep turning on to cool down the engine. after bout 10-15min of on n off of the fan my bike confirm wun start up after i switch on so tats when i size down the problem either to the magnetic coil or batt but batt seems fine cause juz change so in the end took out the magnetic coilfound inside the coils bout 75% burnt liao tats y not enough charging!!! knn should hav realised tis earlier made me push start the bikes for 2mths when i went to town bfore i finally found the problem :p but i tink mine should be a batch problem cause yr 2002 vfrs tend to hav tis or the alternator burnt up (fixing a computer fan to tis item should solve tis). So far yr 2003 batch people not havin this problem here locally and also the guys frm vfrdiscussion.com

hope tis helps ;)

Posted
Originally posted by koma@Sep 11 2005, 03:26 AM

it will only die on me when i go into town and the fan keep turning on to cool down the engine. after bout 10-15min of on n off of the fan my bike confirm wun start up after i switch on so tats when i size down the problem either to the magnetic coil or batt but batt seems fine cause juz change so in the end took out the magnetic coilfound inside the coils bout 75% burnt liao tats y not enough charging!!! knn should hav realised tis earlier made me push start the bikes for 2mths when i went to town bfore i finally found the problem :p but i tink mine should be a batch problem cause yr 2002 vfrs tend to hav tis or the alternator burnt up (fixing a computer fan to tis item should solve tis). So far yr 2003 batch people not havin this problem here locally and also the guys frm vfrdiscussion.com

hope tis helps ;)

So am I rite to pinpoint, that even with 75% burnt coil, bike running at cruising speed (prob rpm=4~5k), batt is able to be charged properly?

 

How should the fan be fixed onto the magnetic coil?

 

A tip to share, you can check if the coil has problems w/o removing the coil cover, by checking one of the 3 phase wires that leads to the rectifier. If 1 of them is malfunctioning (unless its a wire problem), most probably its the coil.

Ride hard & safe...

Posted

HamZ & Koma's symptom and cure are great stuff. Makes me want to share on my rectifier problem.

 

Prior to rectifier complete meltdown, there is no clear signs, especially if ridden on short trips of less than 30 mins like commuting in Singapore. However, for rides over 1hr like in M'sia, then you get problems with starting your bike after switching off. This symptom is similar other problems such as weak battery, partially burnt coil (ala Koma), weak alternator or poor connections etc. So its quite difficult to pin-point the problem w/o doing a full test. At this stage, it is advisable to switch down the main headlamps to reduce current draw from your battery so as to increase your chances of making it home on your own steam.

 

Once the rectifier goes completely, it is still possible to push start the bike. But the ride will be choppy as the ignition cuts in and out. This can be quite dangerous, so if you have to limp home, take the left lane and don't attempt any risky overtaking manouverves. It will also stall anytime, so try to find a sloped incline to stall so that you can coast down for the push start momentum. Don't ask me how I find out. As the ignition cuts in and out while on the move, your tacho & speedo needle will flick in sync with the signal indicator if you turn on the indicator; and your tripmeter will reset to zero (unfortunately the odometer does not. sic ;-))

 

On removal or the rectifier for replacment, I saw a crack in the dielectric backing of the rectifier, probably due to excessive heat. I took the opportunity to change the battery as well.

 

To prevent recurrence, I wired a computer fan to the rectifier, tapping power from the rear tail lamp. I used a 0.28A fan costing about $10 from SimLim. A lower rated one blew out immeidately.

 

I am not sure if its the fan that's helping but so far, so good.

Posted
Originally posted by Lass@Sep 10 2005, 09:39 PM

i want a VFR oso but for gal kinda heavy leh

Its also heavy for a guy. However, I don't carry around much kekeke:sorry: To lighten the steering, I drop the triple clamp around 8mm and it feels way lighter and much more flickable. It does not affect the highspeed stability much except at well over 200kmph (indicated) where it isvery slightly flighty compared to the factory setting but still feel ok.

 

I think you all should try it cos I think that many ppl avoid or gave up the VFR cos of the heavy feel.

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