[Group] HONDA Hornets' Nest 250/600/900

[FJRRider]

Originally posted by HAtYAiBUSA@May 11 2005, 01:54 PM

Wear Your >> Vast can liao...

[smokin]

Originally posted by Motrax33@May 11 2005, 06:55 PM

Yos here is a reply from Johor Circuit

 

Sorry for the delay.We received your enquiry on circuit rental for track day for your members.

Our rate for exclusive booking for track day are as follows;

 

1. Circuit Rental

Weekday - RM 15,000 per day

Weekend/ Public Holiday - RM 17,000 per day

 

2.Discount to Clubs

Flat rate of 20 % to Clubs

 

3. Airconditioned Hospitality Suites

Free use for exclusive booking by clubs

 

4.F & B

Our panel of caterer can provide catering services to your members.Menu and costing will be provided upon request.

 

5.Hotel

Our associate hotel, Hotel Selesa near the circuit can provide good rates to circuit user .Rate can be provided if interested.

 

I hope the above info is sufficient for your planning purposes.Please let us know if you have any further queries.

 

Regards

Wan

 

Motrax33

i think we pay the hourly rates one better. the price is a joke.

[Spectrum]

Ahem... Say 10 of us... so 1500rm each... can?

 

Think better $50rm per hr... after 3 ciricuit.. tired leow.

Smokin... have a full face to spare if your head can fit...

 

HOW about TRACK DAY On the 30May Monday...

Any seconder, thirder, forther...

[smokin]

Originally posted by Spectrum@May 11 2005, 10:37 PM

Ahem... Say 10 of us... so 1500rm each... can?

 

Think better $50rm per hr... after 3 ciricuit.. tired leow.

Smokin... have a full face to spare if your head can fit...

i XL leh.....

i aiming for shoei.

[Motrax33]

Hhahaah just some info just incase we need it.

 

 

 

Motrax33

[Spectrum]

Originally posted by smokin@May 11 2005, 10:44 PM

i XL leh.....

i aiming for shoei.

 

Mine is just to lend U for Circuit... Lah... Think HJC helmet...

Think can fit your Head...

 

If u dont' wanna buy Full Face now... save $$$

Can wait for sale...

Forza just got one Shark for $50 right..

[Spectrum]

HOW about TRACK DAY On the 30May Monday...

[paul mai]

Originally posted by smokin@May 11 2005, 03:05 PM

there got air pump in the pits or not? wait i over release too much air how ar?

Jeremy "Paul" Burgess will be providing free handpump (which is now permanently on his bike)

[Forza99]

Originally posted by Spectrum@May 11 2005, 10:50 PM

Forza just got one Shark for $50 right..

Yup! That's right......

I'm a frequent visitor of Moto World nowadays...becoz my customer is just across the road......I'll pop-up awhile after completed my job at IBM Kaki Bukit....to look see look see.....

 

Last week I saw 1 HJC - $70/-, $200/- & Shark - $280 & $380/- (Latest Model but the paint work slightly peeled off - Normal Price about $500- $600)

 

Will be going down there again on Friday..

Smokin, I'll keep a look out for any Sales of FF Helmet....

Will sms you if there's any....but you'd better come FAST....else other ppl grap liow!

[paul mai]

Originally posted by Wayang@May 11 2005, 03:18 PM

wats the rationale behind releasin air ? becos the tyres get heated up so much tat the air pressure inside is way above the recommended level ?

For more grip and yes, I think track temperatures are higher causing pressure to increase

[smokin]

Originally posted by paul mai@May 11 2005, 10:57 PM

Jeremy "Paul" Burgess will be providing free handpump (which is now permanently on his bike)

wahlan, using that to pump my mountain bike tyres already so siong like hell. u want me to use that........ i have one as well, anyone wants to borrow during trips can let me know.

[smokin]

Originally posted by Forza99@May 11 2005, 11:25 PM

Yup! That's right......

I'm a frequent visitor of Moto World nowadays...becoz my customer is just across the road......I'll pop-up awhile after completed my job at IBM Kaki Bukit....to look see look see.....

 

Will be going down there again on Friday..

Smokin, I'll keep a look out for any Sales of FF Helmet....

Will sms you if there's any....but you'd better come fast....else other ppl grap liow!

maybe next week i will also have a look at what they have after work.

[paul mai]

Originally posted by Forza99@May 11 2005, 03:23 PM

Paul, you're pulling my leg, ah?

I'll put on my tail bag - inside full of VITASOY.....

bang, I need vitasoy b4, during and after track

 

U fast leh... dun humble..

[paul mai]

Originally posted by Forza99@May 11 2005, 11:25 PM

Yup! That's right......

I'm a frequent visitor of Moto World nowadays...becoz my customer is just across the road......I'll pop-up awhile after completed my job at IBM Kaki Bukit....to look see look see.....

 

Will be going down there again on Friday..

Smokin, I'll keep a look out for any Sales of FF Helmet....

Will sms you if there's any....but you'd better come fast....else other ppl grap liow!

bang, got cheap one pls sms me! thanks!

[paul mai]

Originally posted by smokin@May 11 2005, 11:26 PM

wahlan, using that to pump my mountain bike tyres already so siong like hell. u want me to use that........ i have one as well, anyone wants to borrow during trips can let me know.

 

Can exercise mah... now u know why rossi so slim liao

[Forza99]

Originally posted by paul mai@May 11 2005, 11:31 PM

bang, I need vitasoy b4, during and after track

 

U fast leh... dun humble..

For the Vitasoy.....No Problem, man!....

 

Yup! you're damn right I'm FAZZ by my name Not by the speed of cos.....

 

Ok, will keep a look-out for you too....

[xiao_p]

Originally posted by tweety64@May 11 2005, 04:35 PM

Is there any toile near by than????

yesh therez a toilet there at PG track

[tweety64]

Originally posted by Spectrum@May 11 2005, 10:54 PM

HOW about TRACK DAY On the 30May Monday...

I'm ok wit it.

[Motrax33]

Originally posted by Spectrum@May 11 2005, 10:37 PM

Ahem... Say 10 of us... so 1500rm each... can?

 

Think better $50rm per hr... after 3 ciricuit.. tired leow.

Smokin... have a full face to spare if your head can fit...

 

HOW about TRACK DAY On the 30May Monday...

Any seconder, thirder, forther...

I'm ok with it. Here are my next coming trips

 

I will be leaving for

 

27-29 May Sepang

30 May Johor Circuit

31 May -4 June Thailand BKK

21 June- 14 July Texas Usa

 

Kaoz alot of place to travel.....

 

Motrax33

[Motrax33]

Good News Guys for the next future trip to Sepang

 

http://www.superbikes-sg.com/sepangmap.jpg

TURN 1

This is a very tight right hand hairpin turn which requires heavy braking before you negotiate it to scrub off the speed you will have built up during the straight. There are markers here from 300m to 100m to help you determine your braking point.

 

TURN 2

Another tight turn to the left, but this time you will be accelerating hard for the exit and for Turn 3.

 

TURN 3

This right-hander ideally requires you to accelerate all the way through it likely possibly with a gearchange through the corner. Be careful though- it tightens slightly on the exit. Taking the right line is critical for getting through this corner quickly.

 

TURN 4

A sharp right-hander, going slightly uphill, requiring good timing as the track is narrower here and it is easy to run off.

 

TURN 5

A long sweeping left hander, one of the easier parts of the track to get your knee down. This section of the track is very wide and allows a number of lines to negotiate it. Better not to run too wide on the exit or you won’t be well positioned to take turn 6.

 

TURN 6

Taking this turn well requires you to flip the bike from full lean left from Turn 5 to full lean right for Turn 6. The faster you can do this, the faster you can take this corner.

 

TURN 7 & 8

These are two right-handers, which if taken together, can be treated as one long right-hand sweeper. It’s important to get a good drive out of Turn 8 to get good speed for the short straight after.

 

TURN 9

This very sharp, uphill left-hander seems to cause the most problems, even for the MotoGP boys, but mastering it gives good overtaking opportunities. After the previous corners which are relatively fast, its easy to overcook this corner and run off into the gravel. Go in slower than you think necessary and hug the apex very tight accelerating with your knee over the kerb, hard once you have the bike getting upright.

 

TURN 10

A sweeping right hander going uphill which will probably need a gearchange whilst you are banked over.

 

TURN 11

A sharpish right-hander which often fools me into turning too early and ruining my drive out for the next turn.

 

TURN 12

A downhill turn to the left which requires commitment, the faster guys don’t back off the throttle from 12 going into 13

 

TURN 13

Again you will have to flop the bike from full lean left to full lean right and prepare for a very awkward Turn 14

 

TURN 14

This turn is awkward because you need to brake and turn at the same time. I watched the GP riders treat Turn 13 and 14 as two separate turns rather than the decreasing radius turn it appears to be. Getting on the gas early for this turn will help you build up speed quickly for the long straight ahead, critical if you don’t have a super-powerful bike. You are now on the Back Straight.

 

TURN 15

Hard braking from the back straight will be necessary before you negotiate this left hand hairpin. Make sure your braking is done in time before you turn the bike. This turn is probably the easiest turn to get that most coveted of biker status symbols- a scratched kneepad. You are now on the front straight with your head down in the canopy to reduce aerodynamic drag and put more weight on the front wheel to help keep it down as you blast your way down one of the longest straights in the world 920m (only Mugello is longer), ready to tackle Turn 1 again!

 

 

 

 

1. Your bike is serviceable:

Tires: tread, pressures correct, compound not too hard (from months of disuse). Many riders often drop down a couple of p.s.i. of pressure for track use to increase grip, since tires run much hotter on the track and bumps are not a problem- I normally use 30psi front and back for the track. Make sure you measure with an accurate pressure gauge (no, not the one at petrol service stations which can be off as much as 25%).

Brakes: They work! They don’t leak (ie brake fluid level is alright), pads don’t need replacing, discs not warped

Chain: Correctly tensioned and oiled.

Engine: in good running order (for your own riding pleasure- nothing worse than getting all excited and having to watch everyone else cause your engine is overheating). NO OIL LEAKS!! Having an oil leak will ruin your day (and anybody else’s who hits it- you will not be popular). Make sure that you have petrol.

Controls and Instrumentation: Not too much free play in your controls (brakes, clutch, steering head bearings, gears and especially throttle control) or this will seriously impair your riding. RPM meter works– over-revving your engine and not knowing it could be a problem- imagine where the piston will go if it flies off

 

2. You have the right gear:

• Full-face helmet and visor you can actually see through (clean, no cracks, crazing etc.)

• Leather gloves and boots

• Ideally: full leather suit with body armour (either 2-piece or 1-piece)

 

OR

 

• Cordura jacket and jeans with full body armour. Cordura is nowhere near as good as leather in resistance to abrasion, but acceptable for safety purposes to Sepang track officials- if you can, get leather, you’ll never regret it, your increased confidence will help you ride better.

 

General Tips:

A common question is “What is the correct racing line through Turn X?” The answer is there isn’t. It depends on a number of factors. A more powerful bike will be able to take a corner more abruptly, going for the corner slow, banking over quickly and accelerating hard out of it. This is known as “Point and Squirt”. Less powerful bikes normally have to do more sweeping lines, maintaining a higher corner speed made possible by their lighter weight.

 

If in a race situation, there is a rider behind you waiting to overtake (which there often is), taking a sweeping line may give the other rider the opportunity to cut inside by late-breaking thus forcing you off your line. Taking a sweeping line feels faster but is a trade-off between higher corner speed and greater distance to cover. On the slow corners (like Turn 1 & 2) it’s often better to get as tight as possible slowly rather than sweeping wide quickly.

 

Going quickly means maintaining control of your bike. Going into corners too quickly is the most common error which causes riders to run-off. Go in slow and accelerate through the corner. This acceleration will transfer weight to the back and give you grip through the tire that has the most- the rear tire. You should not put any weight onto the handlebars or clip-ons. Be constantly aware of this, especially after heavy braking, as holding on to the bars too tight will restrict the front suspension, not allowing it to move in the manner it was designed but more importantly, reducing the amount of feedback which you get through the handlebars which tell you what the front wheel is doing.

 

What to do if you come off:

Very unlikely if you follow our tips ;-). Relax, don’t tense– try to follow the fall. This is easier said than done but you are far less likely to be injured if you don’t try to stop yourself. Whatever you do, don’t try to hang on to the bike- LET IT GO. Once you have stopped sliding, DO NOT WALK/RUN BACK TO THE TRACK. Look for a marshal and make sure that the Yellow flag goes up to warn other riders. You may be injured and not know it. Take it easy and wait for a marshal.

 

If you see someone else going down- DO NOT WATCH THEM. This goes against all instinct. You will go where you look so you don’t want to be looking anywhere except the track ahead. Your job is to make sure you don’t go down as well and give the marshals/medics double the work and make a bigger spectacle to attract other riders attention and potentially create an even more massive accident. Slow down, avoid them and if there are no marshals in the immediate area you may try to get their attention to alert them to the accident. DO NOT STOP TO HELP! Gravel traps are meant to provide a safe run-off in the event you overcook it in the corner. When someone goes off, the marshals will try to get the rider and bike out of it as quickly as possible to make sure that if someone else goes off, they don’t crash into the original rider. This is the marshals job, not yours. Stopping to help only doubles the chances of someone else hitting something if they too go off. Under no circumstances should you park your bike by the side of the track.

 

Track Etiquette

Track days are not races. Having said this, it is fun to duel with someone at a similar skill level to you and if you are comfortable to do so, by all means go ahead. If someone is obviously hounding you from behind, the chances are that he is faster than you. It is often wise to let him pass (without slowing yourself too much) and see if you can follow him- see where he gains time, etc. This is a good learning opportunity if you wish. The temptation is to try not to let them pass. This is up to you, but if the guy following you is riding a less powerful bike, his only opportunity to overtake will probably be to outbrake you coming into a corner. Be prepared for this and hope that you can brake as well as he can…

 

Keep an Eye on Your Bike or Others

It’s a good idea to watch your bike for signs of malfunction, e.g. engine temperature gauge within limits, brakes not smoking, no oil leaking, tyres still within limits etc. Make sure you pay attention to your fuel situation too- it’s very embarrassing to stop on the track with no fuel.

 

If you see someone else’s bike obviously in distress, try to let them know. Riding at the track can place heavy demands on bikes and preventing a breakdown is cheaper than fixing one. Also from a safety perspective, the rider in front of you may not realize he’s dropping oil or fuel all over the track- If you see this, make sure the marshals get up the flag to warn other riders. Most of these situations don’t happen often; this is intended to let you know what to do if it does.

 

Conclusion:

The above will probably seem like an insurmountable amount to remember for someone who’s never been to the track. You don’t have to memorise it. Just read it a few times and hopefully you will be able to learn the track more quickly when you get on it and hopefully have an idea of what you should and shouldn’t be doing. No real mention has been made about riding techniques either- this is covered in a separate section. The aim of this document is to help familiarize you with the Do’s and Don’ts of the track with a focus on Sepang. I hope it helps.

 

Motrax33

[Guest R1szuan]

Originally posted by Motrax33@May 12 2005, 02:30 AM

I'm ok with it. Here are my next coming trips

 

I will be leaving for

 

27-29 May Sepang

30 May Johor Circuit

31 May -4 June Thailand BKK

21 June- 14 July Texas Usa

 

Kaoz alot of place to travel.....

 

Motrax33

u need security services in USA texas?? call me dangerous place in us.

[Motrax33]

Originally posted by R1szuan@May 12 2005, 10:50 AM

u need security services in USA texas?? call me dangerous place in us.

Hahaha, i got alot of ppl protecting me over there. I will always be at the bikeshop helping out and learning Eddie Current Dyno Machine. haha

 

Btw how come you say its dangerous??

 

Motrax33

[Spectrum]

http://www.johorcircuit.com.my/images/ztower2.jpg

Shall We Put our Track Day @ Pasir Gudang

on the 30 MONDAY MAY...

Mtg: Morning 8am 2nd link ESSO.

 

Breakfast @ Perling: Wan Ton Mee or Roti Canai...

 

LUNCH: Seafood @ Seaside... Pasir Gudang (eat again)

(for ppl who wants to be as slim as Rossi... skip the Carbo)

 

After lunch... Relax at Tanjong Putri Country Club Pool Side...

(the usual club facilities are available... bowling, golf... )

 

Motrax... can u check if track is open...

$35rm per Hr on weekdays right.

 

Please Sign IN...

 

1. Motrax

2. Spectrum

3. Tweety

4. (Wayang)

5. (Ghost)

[Spectrum]

Thks for the Detail Report on Sepang Motrax... :thumb:

 

Can I suggest 10 Jun Fri for Sepang...

 

Please Check your schd & see... if available

Motrax, can check if Sepang will take us on the above date...

Is Fri a weekend for Sepang?

[paul mai]

http://www.johorcircuit.com.my/images/ztower2.jpg

Shall We Put our Track Day @ Pasir Gudang

on the 30 MONDAY MAY...

Mtg: Morning 8am 2nd link ESSO.

 

Breakfast @ Perling: Wan Ton Mee or Roti Canai...

 

LUNCH: Seafood @ Seaside... Pasir Gudang (eat again)

(for ppl who wants to be as slim as Rossi... skip the Carbo)

 

After lunch... Relax at Tanjong Putri Country Club Pool Side...

(the usual club facilities are available... bowling, golf... )

 

Motrax... can u check if track is open...

$35rm per Hr on weekdays right.

 

Please Sign IN...

 

1. Motrax

2. Spectrum

3. Tweety

4. (Wayang)

5. (Ghost)

6. Paul (might need to go home early to sleep cos night shift)