Daelim Roadwin

[Guest sohst]

Originally posted by nights@May 23 2004, 05:24 PM

The boss is there upstair in thier office which i have seen a few already....

 

Maybe like wat u have said, it a new bike tat why...and just like when u buy any appliances and when it spoil, if u dun call in the warranty provider to repair for u, the warranty will void...

u seem to know the boss well, how about u telling him that he should sell them at recommended price n not higher.

 

Castrol 4-T recommended prices at this website http://www.castrol.com.sg/eng/3-1-2-motorcycle-1.shtml

 

We all knows that motor shop always selling them lower than recommended price by manufacturer n that's all i'm asking for, thanks.

 

I prefer other brands like rock oil, respol or silkolene full synthetics oil and they all sells below $20 per litre bottle but choong kok only sells castrol.

 

[nights]

Originally posted by sohst@May 23 2004, 07:59 PM

u seem to know the boss well, how about u telling him that he should sell them at recommended price n not higher.

 

Castrol 4-T recommended prices at this website http://www.castrol.com.sg/eng/3-1-2-motorcycle-1.shtml

 

We all knows that motor shop always selling them lower than recommended price by manufacturer n that's all i'm asking for, thanks.

 

I prefer other brands like rock oil, respol or silkolene full synthetics oil and they all sells below $20 per litre bottle but choong kok only sells castrol.

 

naz...i dun know the big boss at all but i do know their staffs, i can try to bring your suggestion forward to them towards the boss...

 

I think their firm stand in using Castrol only maybe their belief for the good of their Daelim bikes or they might have strike a deal with castrol onto something.

 

so wat the price diff. u mentioned?

[Guest sohst]

Originally posted by nights@May 24 2004, 01:23 AM

naz...i dun know the big boss at all but i do know their staffs, i can try to bring your suggestion forward to them towards the boss...

 

I think their firm stand in using Castrol only maybe their belief for the good of their Daelim bikes or they might have strike a deal with castrol onto something.

 

so wat the price diff. u mentioned?

so far i only purchased R4 twice but seriously have they wonder why their old customers r not returning to change oil or for other services. if other shop can sell at recommended prices, I just wonder what their intention are?

 

:confused:

 

Castrol R4 Superbike:

Recommended price: S$21.50

Choong Kok price: S$23.00

 

 

Others I did not bother to asked, anyone who know their price pls fill in $??

(Don't think anyone knows either cos when they heard the prices, they simply go to the next shop n also they have no other brands to select).

 

Castrol recommended prices:

 

Castrol Power 1 4T

Recommended price: S$13.40

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Activ 4T

Recommended price: S$7.60

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Go! 4T

Recommended price: S$6.00

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol R2 Racingbike

Recommended price: S$19.20

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Power 1 2T

Recommended price: S$10.70

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Activ 2T

Recommended price: S$6.60

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Go! 2T

Recommended price: S$6.00

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

[nights]

Originally posted by sohst@May 24 2004, 09:50 AM

so far i only purchased R4 twice but seriously have they wonder why their old customers r not returning to change oil or for other services. if other shop can sell at recommended prices, I just wonder what their intention are?

 

:confused:

 

Castrol R4 Superbike:

Recommended price: S$21.50

Choong Kok price: S$23.00

 

 

Others I did not bother to asked, anyone who know their price pls fill in $??

(Don't think anyone knows either cos when they heard the prices, they simply go to the next shop n also they have no other brands to select).

 

Castrol recommended prices:

 

Castrol Power 1 4T

Recommended price: S$13.40

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Activ 4T

Recommended price: S$7.60

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Go! 4T

Recommended price: S$6.00

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol R2 Racingbike

Recommended price: S$19.20

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Power 1 2T

Recommended price: S$10.70

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Activ 2T

Recommended price: S$6.60

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

 

Castrol Go! 2T

Recommended price: S$6.00

Choong Kok price: S$??

 

Thanks for the info. i will check with them..

[patrick15]

I visit Choong Kok JE cause I live in that area. I also feel that the price of R4 engine oil is too high, but it seems that still have a lot of pple going there for maintenance. Service wise not bad, the mech are quite helpful but maybe not too knowledgeable about more advance stuff.

 

I think Daelim is tied up with Castrol regarding using only Castrol oil for their bikes. hence maybe castrol will supply them more cheaply the oil.

 

I tried Castrol Power 1 4T

Recommended price: S$13.40

Choong Kok price: S$16/17

 

Overall all prices are above market price. Have to talk to the lady boss in JE and amaybe reflect the unhappiness of most customers. hopefully they can offer more competitive price for regulars like us.

[Guest sohst]

ok, now back to fuel consumption for roadwin.

especially now fuel price for shell98 up from S$1.402(April) to S$1.438(May) to S$1.488(May,3rd wk) per liter.

 

So far this is my recording;

 

Date____Odo__Trip__Gas____Km/l __Remarks

01/04___180__-----__09.13__------ __1st top up

17/04___500__320__08.38__38.19__throttling to 4k engine rpm during pickup.

01/05___893__393__10.45__37.61__throttling to 5k engine rpm during pickup.

13/05__1267__374__10.36__36.10__throttling to 6k engine rpm during pickup.

24/05__1654__387__09.81__39.45__back to normal 4~5k pickup.

 

Average fuel consumption now is 37.79 km/l.

 

Next round will see whether Broquet fuel catalyst really work or not.

Just drop in Broquet B/2T pack into the tank n top up full tank.

 

[Guest sohst]

Originally posted by patrick15@May 24 2004, 04:10 PM

I visit Choong Kok JE cause I live in that area. I also feel that the price of R4 engine oil is too high, but it seems that still have a lot of pple going there for maintenance. Service wise not bad, the mech are quite helpful but maybe not too knowledgeable about more advance stuff.

 

I think Daelim is tied up with Castrol regarding using only Castrol oil for their bikes. hence maybe castrol will supply them more cheaply the oil.

 

I tried Castrol Power 1 4T

Recommended price: S$13.40

Choong Kok price: S$16/17

 

Overall all prices are above market price. Have to talk to the lady boss in JE and amaybe reflect the unhappiness of most customers. hopefully they can offer more competitive price for regulars like us.

Hi pat,

Castrol Power 1 4T grade is 10W-30, this grade is too thin n not recommended.

 

Even though it does no harm but u feel your engine will run pretty rough.

 

Currently most manufacturer will recommend 10W-40 grade for our climate.

 

bcos choong kok don't have any of 10W-40 grade, so I made do with R4 which is 10W-50.

 

Just a thought for u.

 

[Guest sohst]

Originally posted by sohst@May 24 2004, 09:56 PM

Average fuel consumption now is 37.79 km/l. 

 

Next round will see whether Broquet fuel catalyst really work or not.

Just drop in Broquet B/2T pack into the tank n top up full tank.

 

ok, after yesterday fuel top up n drop in the broquet.

 

rode back in less than 200m n park overnight.

 

this morning started the engine, definitely engine run more responsively.

 

after warm up, able to move off at slightly below the usual engine rpm (indicates engine power is better).

 

rode all the way to work about 12 km away, engine response r better during pickup.

 

fuel consumption will have to wait until jun 6, then will know the effects of broquet.

 

[Guest sohst]

Originally posted by sohst@May 25 2004, 08:23 AM

ok, after yesterday fuel top up n drop in the broquet.

 

rode back in less than 200m n park overnight.

 

this morning started the engine, definitely engine run more responsively.

 

after warm up, able to move off at slightly below the usual engine rpm (indicates engine power is better).

 

rode all the way to work about 12 km away, engine response r better during pickup.

 

fuel consumption will have to wait until jun 6, then will know the effects of broquet.

 

engine rpm idle about 100 revolution lower than norm 1.2k, now drop to 1.1k.

 

have to do press start button n twist throttle to start up, b4 didn't have to.

 

going up slope can sustain at same engine rpm, usually will lower a bit n have to increase throttle.

 

pickup speed slightly increased in power as more constant rev. upwards rpm.

 

more reports on broquet outcome.

 

[nights]

Regarding engine oil, i have spoken to them in regards to the price and reason why it is higher than what u can get at most petrol station is clear in the sense that they are offering a service to help u change and dispose the used oil, pricing wise is avoidable and common for motorshop to earn little compare to those sell at petrol station or etc...

 

In regard to the customers, there is a lots of old customers going back to change oil with them as I m one of them who visited them quite offen and have seen with my own eyes many old customers...for a few dollars more, some might be very wary with the additional cost but like wat i have said previously on the changing and disposing of used oil...just treat it as a service charge which even if u change yourself and eventually pass the used oil to any motorshops to help with the dispose also have to pay a small charge too..

 

Regarding the diff. brand of engine oils, if u feel that a certain brand fancies u in term of price or performance then go ahead and get it...dun think choong kok is going to stop u for using any particular brand. Reason why they have only castrol could be their belief in the reliability provided.

 

Hope the above helps.

[Guest sohst]

Thankx for trying 'nights'.

 

I will go for the free maintenance services on the new bike but will change oil else where.

 

 

:smile:

[JJBuBBle]

Hi just to share the original spec for ppl whom are interested in this bike

I have also got hold of the Eng ver website, check it out.

 

Daelim RoadWin

 

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_col_01.gifhttp://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_col_02.gif

GENERAL SPEC

LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT(mm): 2,010 X 740 X 1,040

WHEEL BASE(mm): 1,380

DRY WEIGHT(Kg): 135

ENGINE SYSTEM: 4 STROKE 4 VAlVE

DISPLACEMENT(cc): 124.1

STARTING SYSTEM: ELECTRIC START

TRANSMISSION: 5 STEP RETURN

IGNITION SYSTEM: C.D.I

FUEL TANK CAPACITY: 16.0l

T I R E: (FR)110/70-17, (RR)140/60-17

SUSPENSION: (FR) TELESCOPIC / (RR) SWING ARM

BRAKE: (FR) & (RR) DISK

 

DYNAMIC DESIGN

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_01.gif

As the genuine naked type of motorcycle, all riders can feel bigger-sized-motorcycle-riding and outstanding appearance beyond normality.

HIGH-TECH ENGINE PERFORMANCE

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_02.gif

The high-tech engine performance provides plenty of power & ultimate speed to be strong at any condition of road.

SMOOTH RIDING STABILITY

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_03.gif

The wide 17 inch wheel, low seat height provide maximized stability on riding and application of front & rear disk brake serves you serious topping power.

GAS-TYPED MONO CUSHION

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_04.gif

Gas-typed mono cushion absorbs the shock efficiently with hard rear fork

LARGE FUEL TANK

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_05.gif

16llarge fuel tank gives you comfortable riding on long journey

REAR DISK BRAKE

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_06.gif

280mm rear disk brake guarantees firm braking and safe riding

 

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/

[patrick15]

Some update regarding my roadwin.

 

After dropping the fuel broquet into my fuel tank a week ago, the overall running of the engine become much smoother......no doubt. I can run the engine to a higher rev before changing gear without feeling too much vibration and noise. at high speed also much smoother ride.

 

Fuel comsumption I havnt done any tabulation, but since i rev higher before changing gears, im afraid fuel consumption will go up.

 

Power wise not much difference.

 

how's your broquet performing, sohst?

[Guest sohst]

Pat, if u want to reduce engine vibration use heavier oil like grade 50 or 60.

i saw elf 10W-60 full syn oil on the shelf at LAB, i think grade 60 will definitely reduce vibration greatly.

 

Anyway my fuel consumption, top up full tank on the 5/Jun:

 

Date____Odo__Trip__Gas____Km/l __Remarks

01/04___180__-----__09.13__------ __1st top up

17/04___500__320__08.38__38.19__throttling to 4k engine rpm during pickup.

01/05___893__393__10.45__37.61__throttling to 5k engine rpm during pickup.

13/05__1267__374__10.36__36.10__throttling to 6k engine rpm during pickup.

24/05__1654__387__09.81__39.45__back to normal 4~5k pickup, drop in broquet.

05/06__2042__388__11.02__35.27__1st tank full run with broquet in tank.

 

avg. now is 37.24 km/l (see gaslog040605).

 

well, didn't show any fuel saving. let's hope the next few tanks will indicate otherwise.

 

power wise, i think the first few days definitely engine is running more efficiently n now used to the efficent it has become norm.

[AdsLb0]

Originally posted by jjbubble@May 29 2004, 12:36 PM

Hi just to share the original spec for ppl whom are interested in this bike

I have also got hold of the Eng ver website, check it out.

 

Daelim RoadWin

 

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_col_01.gifhttp://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_col_02.gif

GENERAL SPEC

LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT(mm): 2,010 X 740 X 1,040

WHEEL BASE(mm): 1,380

DRY WEIGHT(Kg): 135

ENGINE SYSTEM: 4 STROKE 4 VAlVE

DISPLACEMENT(cc): 124.1

STARTING SYSTEM: ELECTRIC START

TRANSMISSION: 5 STEP RETURN

IGNITION SYSTEM: C.D.I

FUEL TANK CAPACITY: 16.0l

T I R E: (FR)110/70-17, (RR)140/60-17

SUSPENSION: (FR) TELESCOPIC / (RR) SWING ARM

BRAKE: (FR) & (RR) DISK

 

DYNAMIC DESIGN

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_01.gif

As the genuine naked type of motorcycle, all riders can feel bigger-sized-motorcycle-riding and outstanding appearance beyond normality.

HIGH-TECH ENGINE PERFORMANCE

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_02.gif

The high-tech engine performance provides plenty of power & ultimate speed to be strong at any condition of road.

SMOOTH RIDING STABILITY

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_03.gif

The wide 17 inch wheel, low seat height provide maximized stability on riding and application of front & rear disk brake serves you serious topping power.

GAS-TYPED MONO CUSHION

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_04.gif

Gas-typed mono cushion absorbs the shock efficiently with hard rear fork

LARGE FUEL TANK

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_05.gif

16llarge fuel tank gives you comfortable riding on long journey

REAR DISK BRAKE

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/img/sub3/roadwin_hi_06.gif

280mm rear disk brake guarantees firm braking and safe riding

 

http://www.daelimmotor.com/eng/

pardon my low level of knowledge abt biking ...

but sae i wanna view this roadwin and wanna noe the cost to own it ... where shd i go ?

[Guest sohst]

Originally posted by AdsLb0|@Jun 5 2004, 07:32 PM

pardon my low level of knowledge abt biking ...

but sae i wanna view this roadwin and wanna noe the cost to own it ... where shd i go ?

u can view/query from choong kok agencies ( http://www.cka.com.sg ), below r their addresses. i think now otr about S$7.5k.

 

Head Quater: No. 79 Kaki Bukit Ave 1 Shun Li Industrial Park Singapore 417952

Tel:6748-5455 Fax:6748-3433

 

Changi Area: 332 Changi Road Singapore 419807

Tel:6345-8989/6342-0886

 

Jurong Area: Blk 343 #01-63 Jurong East St 31 Singapore 600343

Tel:6566-6180 Fax:6566-6606

 

Yishun Area: Blk 1014 #01-106 Yishun Industrial Park 'A' Singapore 768756

Tel:6756-5941 Fax:6756-5471

[patrick15]

There is also one Choong Kok subsidary at Bukit Batok, Midview buidling.

 

50 bukit batok st 23, midview building #02-03. Becareful the security guard there, he will try to lead you to another motorshop which i think have some connection with him. the guard also tried to advertise the bikes for that shop when i went there the last time. Though nothing wrong with that shop, i just dun like the way the guard tried to push me to another shop when i asked him about daelim shop.

 

ANyway, definitely worth a look at roadwin. maybe you can post your feedback after viewing for more interested people.

 

Spoke to the boss at Jurong East last week and he told me that demand for this bike have been increasing. had 5 shipments into singapore already but i didnt catch how many bikes he mentioned on the road.

 

[Guest sohst]

Fuel consumption, top up full tank on the 18/Jun:

 

Date____Odo__Trip__Gas____Km/l __Remarks

01/04___180__-----__09.13__------ __1st top up

17/04___500__320__08.38__38.19__throttling to 4k engine rpm during pickup.

01/05___893__393__10.45__37.61__throttling to 5k engine rpm during pickup.

13/05__1267__374__10.36__36.10__throttling to 6k engine rpm during pickup.

24/05__1654__387__09.81__39.45__back to normal 4~5k pickup, drop in broquet.

Avg. fuel consumption without broquet is 37.79 km/l.

 

Installed broquet on 24/05.

Date____Odo__Trip__Gas____Km/l __Remarks

05/06__2042__388__11.02__35.27__1st tank with broquet.

18/06__2551__508__14.13__35.98__2nd tank with broquet.

Avg. fuel consumption with broquet is 35.67 km/l.

 

No improvement on fuel consumption.

(See gaslog040618.jpg)

[Guest sohst]

Update for roadwin.

have u notice that whenever it rain or run thru a puddle, the front wheel always splash dirt to the engine n all the way up to the top of it n the fuel tank also.

 

Hate to do cleaning, especially in between cooling fins n top of the engine.

 

anyway, try finding a fenda extender which is only available for common or big capacity bikes n none for roadwin. even ask choong kok agency, they only have those for cruisers.

 

so what i did was find a plastic fenda from honda, those cheap type n cut it into the shape that look good, apply a strong n durable double sided tape, thrilled 3 tiny hole at the bottom of the fender n mount it with 3 tap screws (see picture).

 

today rain heavily, seem like the extended fenda works, only the bottom half of the engine are splashed with dirt.

 

cost of material: plastic fenda (S$10), 3M durable tape (S$7), tap screws (a pack of 40 qty, S$2).

 

time for searching material, cutting n mounting takes as a long as u like, for me about 2 weeks.

 

Next fuel consumption, avg. fuel consumption without broquet is 37.79 km/l.

 

Installed broquet on 24/05.

Date____Odo__Trip__Gas____Km/l __Remarks

05/06__2042__388__11.02__35.27__1st tank with broquet.

18/06__2551__508__14.13__35.98__2nd tank with broquet.

01/07__3069__518__14.42__35.92__3rd tank with broquet.

Avg. fuel consumption with broquet is 35.76 km/l.

 

seem like the broquet doesn't work for roadwin, it makes u ride more aggressively thus consumed more fuel.

 

i wrote to broquet asking for refund n they say to use it at least 3,000 miles for the broquet to works.

[Guest sohst]

another pic of self make fenda extender.

[Guest sohst]

this show it works, only the bottom r splashed.

[william_liu]

I think the broquet could be working, just that you are making use of the increase in power in the form of more acceleration, that's why your fuel consumption remains the same.

 

[Alvin.Y]

Originally posted by sohst@Jul 1 2004, 09:30 AM

this show it works, only the bottom r splashed.

Necessity Breeds ingeunity

 

Respect man , and its really a nice naked bike. I personally feel that only the price and the brand ( although its getting more popular) is against it.

 

To sidetrack a bit, been to a subsidary of chong kok, their mechs are ok lah.. average. But their stuffs are genuine and they always advise on the original stuff, so overall charges are high.

[Guest sohst]

Originally posted by william_liu@Jul 1 2004, 09:51 AM

I think the broquet could be working, just that you are making use of the increase in power in the form of more acceleration, that's why your fuel consumption remains the same.

 

broquet is working but in adverse effect to my bike's performance n consumption.

using same riding style, fuel grade shell98 n pump at the same petrol station.

now consumed more fuel then b4, difference is 2 km/litre more fuel consumed using broquet (consistently for 3 tanks n 1415 km).

[marcopolo]

is this the same bike?

 

it caught my attention when i was getting lost in the back alleys of Seoul...

 

http://www.pbase.com/image/26512188

 

joe