LTA ask to go for inspection for LEDs signal light

[Jehuty]

I wonder how performance mods of any kind are dangerous -_-...you mean stock not dangerous is it?

 

I see modded cars rarely drive like mad on the road. The ones that are wannabe racers are those Mercs, BMWs, Taxis and Audis, most of the time.

[Az_itsme]

its all about the person behind the wheels..hah..one thing abt the big big cars that annoys me is they rarely signals when they want to change lane..

[Silent Hunter]

Dude bought a new bike from the first owner, first owner mod, now he kena.

 

Not he go and anyhow mod then get fine.

 

Please please please, don't say nobody put a gun to your head and force you to mod.

 

Saying any shop can sell legally, but you cannot use is like saying shop can sell gun legally, but you cannot use.

[mechwira]

i actually agree with TS.

 

LTA lists a very comprehensive guide of legal and illegal mods on onemotoring. i am satisfied with the list because they are reasonable on everything they allow or dont allow, with reasons on why some mods are not allowed.

 

the idea that if its not stock its illegal is stupid. if you bother to read the full list of the mods list, you will find there are plenty of aesthetic/performance mods you can perform without the need for certification, and of coz extensive performance mods require certification.

 

maybe some of you are happy buying a stock bike and riding it from point A to point B and thats all you want/need out of your biking life. thats perfectly fine by me, wateva rocks your boat, and i really wouldn call you dull or anything. but some of us want to make a hobby out of biking. all we want is a clear and reasonable set of rules to govern our mods. some might want total and complete freedom, but i agree that for safety reasons a set of rules should be enforced. and quite frankly like i said, i'm satisfied with their rules and reasonings set by LTA.

 

so dont tell me if its not stock its not allowed. its a stupid philosophy, and neither is it true with regards to the actual LTA rules.

 

 

2 things to add-on:

 

1)TS, i have a feeling they booked you on the following rule:

Decorative Lamps

(e.g. Wiper washer LEDs, undercarriage neon lights, vehicle interior neon lights, flashing decorative lights, etc.)

 

Fitting decorative lamps to vehicles are not allowed as they may cause confusion and distraction to other road users.

 

obviously if this is the issue then the problem is whether your lights should be considered 'decorative' just because they are LED. they are after all function lights.

 

2)sticker number plates are not illegal per se provided they meet the number plate requirements for bike, which i cant find although they definitely exist. a few years ago a forumer asked LTA this same question and he was directed to the requirements of bike plates (size/height/colour/font/angle/direction/yada-yada), and LTA clarified that a sticker plate meeting these requirements are legal. i myself passed inspection several times with my sticker plate which is identical to my original plate.

[velocity325]

I wonder how performance mods of any kind are dangerous -_-...you mean stock not dangerous is it?

 

I see modded cars rarely drive like mad on the road. The ones that are wannabe racers are those Mercs, BMWs, Taxis and Audis, most of the time.

 

bike different maa..i just got to know why motogp all this their bike so loud..not because they rev their engine like nobody is there but at the exhaust pipe, it actually has a clear airway and doesn't have to go one round before getting out..actually bike mods are cheaper than car by around ten times..car mod brake set, avg Subaru GD1, cheapest racing brake kit already 4k plus bike at most 3 or 4 hundred..frankly speaking after riding for years, get a two stroke bike and no need mod liao..super four pickup can win rxz but in less than a second, the 400cc power is gone and the rxz wins it..

[velocity325]

i actually agree with TS.

 

LTA lists a very comprehensive guide of legal and illegal mods on onemotoring. i am satisfied with the list because they are reasonable on everything they allow or dont allow, with reasons on why some mods are not allowed.

 

the idea that if its not stock its illegal is stupid. if you bother to read the full list of the mods list, you will find there are plenty of aesthetic/performance mods you can perform without the need for certification, and of coz extensive performance mods require certification.

 

maybe some of you are happy buying a stock bike and riding it from point A to point B and thats all you want/need out of your biking life. thats perfectly fine by me, wateva rocks your boat, and i really wouldn call you dull or anything. but some of us want to make a hobby out of biking. all we want is a clear and reasonable set of rules to govern our mods. some might want total and complete freedom, but i agree that for safety reasons a set of rules should be enforced. and quite frankly like i said, i'm satisfied with their rules and reasonings set by LTA.

 

so dont tell me if its not stock its not allowed. its a stupid philosophy, and neither is it true with regards to the actual LTA rules.

 

 

2 things to add-on:

 

1)TS, i have a feeling they booked you on the following rule:

Decorative Lamps

(e.g. Wiper washer LEDs, undercarriage neon lights, vehicle interior neon lights, flashing decorative lights, etc.)

 

Fitting decorative lamps to vehicles are not allowed as they may cause confusion and distraction to other road users.

 

obviously if this is the issue then the problem is whether your lights should be considered 'decorative' just because they are LED. they are after all function lights.

 

2)sticker number plates are not illegal per se provided they meet the number plate requirements for bike, which i cant find although they definitely exist. a few years ago a forumer asked LTA this same question and he was directed to the requirements of bike plates (size/height/colour/font/angle/direction/yada-yada), and LTA clarified that a sticker plate meeting these requirements are legal. i myself passed inspection several times with my sticker plate which is identical to my original plate.

 

but but..someone actually got fined for sticker number plates...

[Jehuty]

bike different maa..i just got to know why motogp all this their bike so loud..not because they rev their engine like nobody is there but at the exhaust pipe, it actually has a clear airway and doesn't have to go one round before getting out..actually bike mods are cheaper than car by around ten times..car mod brake set, avg Subaru GD1, cheapest racing brake kit already 4k plus bike at most 3 or 4 hundred..frankly speaking after riding for years, get a two stroke bike and no need mod liao..super four pickup can win rxz but in less than a second, the 400cc power is gone and the rxz wins it..

 

What this about S4 and RXZ sia?

 

S4 in stock is restricted and a heavy bike, 43hp at most, remove the restrictions and RXZ smell EO only,compare with RVF and ZXR then no contest liao. Besides that S4 can probably do top end runs more often than the RXZ without having something breaking down.

[Az_itsme]

i actually agree with TS.

 

LTA lists a very comprehensive guide of legal and illegal mods on onemotoring. i am satisfied with the list because they are reasonable on everything they allow or dont allow, with reasons on why some mods are not allowed.

 

the idea that if its not stock its illegal is stupid. if you bother to read the full list of the mods list, you will find there are plenty of aesthetic/performance mods you can perform without the need for certification, and of coz extensive performance mods require certification.

 

maybe some of you are happy buying a stock bike and riding it from point A to point B and thats all you want/need out of your biking life. thats perfectly fine by me, wateva rocks your boat, and i really wouldn call you dull or anything. but some of us want to make a hobby out of biking. all we want is a clear and reasonable set of rules to govern our mods. some might want total and complete freedom, but i agree that for safety reasons a set of rules should be enforced. and quite frankly like i said, i'm satisfied with their rules and reasonings set by LTA.

 

so dont tell me if its not stock its not allowed. its a stupid philosophy, and neither is it true with regards to the actual LTA rules.

 

 

2 things to add-on:

 

1)TS, i have a feeling they booked you on the following rule:

Decorative Lamps

(e.g. Wiper washer LEDs, undercarriage neon lights, vehicle interior neon lights, flashing decorative lights, etc.)

 

Fitting decorative lamps to vehicles are not allowed as they may cause confusion and distraction to other road users.

 

obviously if this is the issue then the problem is whether your lights should be considered 'decorative' just because they are LED. they are after all function lights.

 

2)sticker number plates are not illegal per se provided they meet the number plate requirements for bike, which i cant find although they definitely exist. a few years ago a forumer asked LTA this same question and he was directed to the requirements of bike plates (size/height/colour/font/angle/direction/yada-yada), and LTA clarified that a sticker plate meeting these requirements are legal. i myself passed inspection several times with my sticker plate which is identical to my original plate.

 

well said man.. yap i dunno y my signal and tail light which is led is somehow a decorative light? not like those coloured led strips or wat? tats y i am gonna appeal for that..and ya some of us want to mod our bike but within the boundaries, those listed are serious mods like bore kits, super bright headlights etc which i fully understand.. small things like this not listed how do we know especially if we are new.. plus a new drz has a super ugly mudguard behind, who the heck otr uses a stock tail for a drz? I havent seen any and 90% of them exists otr are using a 'street legal LED drc taillight'. thats when i ask, where do we draw a line..

[velocity325]

What this about S4 and RXZ sia?

 

S4 in stock is restricted and a heavy bike, 43hp at most, remove the restrictions and RXZ smell EO only,compare with RVF and ZXR then no contest liao. Besides that S4 can probably do top end runs more often than the RXZ without having something breaking down.

 

like what you say ma, remove restrictions, that definitely includes the rev cutter function which is a great mod whereby insurance is invalid..

[mechwira]

but but..someone actually got fined for sticker number plates...

 

ya. and i got 2 TP stops and at least 3 annual inspections with my sticker plate without getting fined. so?

 

and silly me, the letter/post i mentioned is actually staring at me in the sticky section. so in case you didn bother to read, i'll reproduce it for you, special emphasis point 8:

 

NUMBER PLATE REGULATIONS & MATERIAL USED

FEEDBACK NUMBER: 153370

 

Thank you for your enquiries of 30-JUN-2004.

 

2. We wish to inform you that the technical requirements for motorcycle licence plates used in Singapore can be found in Rule 15 and Fourth Schedule of the Road Traffic (Motor Vehicles, Registration and Licensing) Rules.

 

3. In summary, these rules specify that licence plates should comply with either of the following descriptions (colour code):

 

a) Letters and figures are white, silver or light grey on a non-reflective black background for both front and rear; or

b) Letter and figures are black on a white reflex-reflecting background for the front, and on a yellow reflex-reflecting background for the rear.

 

4. The front licence plates for motorcycle must also meet the following dimension specifications:

 

(a) The letters and figures are 35 mm high, 25 mm wide and 5 mm broad;

(b) The space between adjoining letters and between adjoining figures shall be 5 mm;

© The space between the letters and figures shall be 10 mm;

(d) A margin between the nearest part of any letter or figure and the top

or bottom of the number plate shall be 5 mm;

(e) A margin between the nearest part of any letter or figure and the sides of the licence plate shall be 10 mm.

 

5. The rear licence plates for motorcycle must also meet the following dimension specifications:

 

(a) The letters and figures are 50 mm high, 30 mm wide and 5 mm broad;

(b) The space between adjoining letters and between adjoining figures shall be 10 mm;

© The space between the letters and figures shall be 20 mm;

(d) A margin between the nearest part of any letter or figure and the top, bottom and sides of the licence plate shall be 10 mm.

(e) For licence plate that consists of 2 rows of figures and letters, the space the 2 rows shall be 10 mm.

 

6. No other figures or letters, design advertisement or ornamentation shall be placed near the licence plate in such a manner as to render it more difficult to read or distinguish the registration number of the motorcycle when in motion.

 

7. Many licence plates used in Singapore are attached to plastic licence plates holders that contain wording and brand names. We have no objection to the fixing of licence plates with such holders if it meet the above requirements. In addition, the wordings on such holders shall not contain obscenities or profanities and shall not be derogatory seditious.

 

8. As for your enquiry on the sticker type licence plate for the front, we have no objection to it so long as the above requirements are met. We hope we have addressed your enquiries satisfactorily, thank you.

 

 

Yours sincerely,

 

 

 

(SIGNED IN LOTUS NOTES)

GOH SEONG HONG

for MANAGER

VEHICLE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT

VEHICLE & TRANSIT LICENSING DIVISION

LAND TRANSPORT AUTHORITY

[evilboi]

Anyway wat are the chances for appealing against LTA's fine? Lolx I doubt is high rite

[736cc]

from what i know, anything that is not stock will be not allow on sg road.

[Isopropyl]

from what i know, anything that is not stock will be not allow on sg road.

 

some after market part should pass if it function is equal or better then original parts which does not cause hazard/pollution on the road.

 

LED might not give out the same brightness as traditional bulb therefore it is not approved. unless it is tested and certified. in another world, money is needed.

 

i think most people have no problem of LTA enforcing such rules but as TS had mentioned, it should be better communicated to drivers/riders.

[blacstarz]

i dun think the LED brake and signal lights are considered legal... got a fren who also face the same thing... LED signal lights dun pass... let alone brake lights...

[Az_itsme]

then those newer bikes tat comes with LED lights shuld be banned on sg road..plus those mercs and audis..

[blacstarz]

then those newer bikes tat comes with LED lights shuld be banned on sg road..plus those mercs and audis..

 

thats a different story, as those cars come with LED lights in the first place, cant expect LTA or rather Singapore government to go straight to Audi or Mercs company to tell them to remove the LED lights just for Singapore right?? dun make sense...

 

as what one of our bro here stated, bikes are way too easy and cheaper to mod and some of the modifications can be quite hazardous for riding, for eg, you may think LED signals are nth but sometimes when riding behind my fren with LED signals i have difficulty sometimes to even spot his signally left or right...

 

you may say some cars mod their lights to LED, but you may not know actually they are also being targeted by LTAs, tiger squads etc. cant really see things on the surface, like this you will think is unfair.

[velocity325]

thats a different story, as those cars come with LED lights in the first place, cant expect LTA or rather Singapore government to go straight to Audi or Mercs company to tell them to remove the LED lights just for Singapore right?? dun make sense...

 

as what one of our bro here stated, bikes are way too easy and cheaper to mod and some of the modifications can be quite hazardous for riding, for eg, you may think LED signals are nth but sometimes when riding behind my fren with LED signals i have difficulty sometimes to even spot his signally left or right...

 

you may say some cars mod their lights to LED, but you may not know actually they are also being targeted by LTAs, tiger squads etc. cant really see things on the surface, like this you will think is unfair.

 

actually on car forums, they are flaming on bikers..but when it comes to complain..both sides are flaming at gahmen..but still..re quote a forumer on sgbike, "vote for pap and this is what you get, don't complain'.. with the current coe..omg..coe is a sure drop in four years time just before election and bank accounts would raise by at least a hundred..

[blacstarz]

actually on car forums, they are flaming on bikers..but when it comes to complain..both sides are flaming at gahmen..but still..re quote a forumer on sgbike, "vote for pap and this is what you get, don't complain'.. with the current coe..omg..coe is a sure drop in four years time just before election and bank accounts would raise by at least a hundred..

 

yea man typical singaporeans haha... hmmm... for COE dun think it will take 4 years to drop, if the economy drops next yr as what newspapers and those finance analysts says, COE will drop due to bad economy, people will take note of their own pocket den to go purchase new cars... budget tight you can say that... ya thats what i feel, might be different...

[velocity325]

yea man typical singaporeans haha... hmmm... for COE dun think it will take 4 years to drop, if the economy drops next yr as what newspapers and those finance analysts says, COE will drop due to bad economy, people will take note of their own pocket den to go purchase new cars... budget tight you can say that... ya thats what i feel, might be different...

 

wahahaha..then when coe gets to 1 dollar for bike for 6 months, pqp would also be a dollar..i'm die die going to renew my bike coe man..or wait until rise back to 2k, sure die..but hor coe drop next year confirm not as much as before election..my point of view uhs..:D

[Isopropyl]

then those newer bikes tat comes with LED lights shuld be banned on sg road..plus those mercs and audis..

 

i believe those cars/bikes have their lighting inspected and meet the requirements.

 

that not the case for your average LED. i doubt any shop will send their products for inspection and still make reasonable profit without charging much higher then non-approved LED.

 

it all about dollars and cents.

[blacstarz]

wahahaha..then when coe gets to 1 dollar for bike for 6 months, pqp would also be a dollar..i'm die die going to renew my bike coe man..or wait until rise back to 2k, sure die..but hor coe drop next year confirm not as much as before election..my point of view uhs..:D

 

yea more or less... well lets just hope it really drops at least... we wun be sure until it happens... but for now lets just hope my prediction is correct.... if its really a dollar i also cant renew yet... coe still left with 5 yrs from now haha...

[blacstarz]

i believe those cars/bikes have their lighting inspected and meet the requirements.

 

that not the case for your average LED. i doubt any shop will send their products for inspection and still make reasonable profit without charging much higher then non-approved LED.

 

it all about dollars and cents.

 

yea maybe even if they would be fine.. i think they also wun care.. the fine is just probably $70 for LED lights etc?? or mayb more but still not like more den $200... but these people buy their bmw, audi at 100k to 200k++ dun think they ll actually mind paying that mere $200?? not that i look down on our own biking race but in this current society money actually counts you got money can even get a tyga full system in on ur bike and you just nidda pay the $700 fines everytime you meet up with a TP or LTA officer...

[blacstarz]

yea maybe even if they would be fine.. i think they also wun care.. the fine is just probably $70 for LED lights etc?? or mayb more but still not like more den $200... but these people buy their bmw, audi at 100k to 200k++ dun think they ll actually mind paying that mere $200?? not that i look down on our own biking race but in this current society money actually counts you got money can even get a tyga full system in on ur bike and you just nidda pay the $700 fines everytime you meet up with a TP or LTA officer...

 

and to top up not sure if anyone read the recent straits times, in china the TP or their transport authority dun even bother or is afraid to charge those audis or bmws without registration plates (in other words no car plate no.) cos of the fear that these drivers might be government related etc... its really realistic this world is currently...

[aRcHeR]

some after market part should pass if it function is equal or better then original parts which does not cause hazard/pollution on the road.

 

LED might not give out the same brightness as traditional bulb therefore it is not approved. unless it is tested and certified. in another world, money is needed.

 

i think most people have no problem of LTA enforcing such rules but as TS had mentioned, it should be better communicated to drivers/riders.

 

erm, just to correct you on the brightness of the LEDs. LEDs in anyway are brighter than halogen bulbs.

 

the only flaw of LEDs is that the light throw is shorter than the conventional halogens. which is why you dun really see LED headlights on the roads, even for the newer cars. they are using either halogen or HIDs.

[velocity325]

yea more or less... well lets just hope it really drops at least... we wun be sure until it happens... but for now lets just hope my prediction is correct.... if its really a dollar i also cant renew yet... coe still left with 5 yrs from now haha...

 

hahas..how much you paid for your current coe? coe can be renewed anytime..just that 1 dollar coe bike resale value is purely machinese price..

 

edit 1 : coe can be renewed anytime..so long it's one dollar for 6 months we can just renew for 1 dollar but we won't get back any of unused coe..