[cdc] 2b

[smokysalmon]

I know this thread is kinda dead but just wanna share today I passed my 2b @ CDC!!!

 

I chua tio when I see my paper, 6 points for e-brake not enough speed wtf? Pretty sure i was going a little above 30

 

And god the feeling in the waiting room is the worst, even worse than first day ns enlistment

[sydarume]

I agree that countersteer is massively important on the roads. A rider will never be able to handle a large bike properly without learning countersteer. Leaning does absolutely nothing - it's the handlebars that do all the work, and even when people successfully steer into a turn by leaning, the reason the bike turns is because when they lean, their hands are subconsciously countersteering.

 

However, there is a reason why countersteer is not taught in school. Actively trying to apply countersteer at low speeds in the circuit is counterproductive and can lead to a crash.

 

Countersteer works by removing support from one side of the bike so that it collapses inwards into the direction of the turn. At low speeds, the gyroscopic effect isn't strong enough to keep your bike upright when it loses balance from the countersteer, and your bike will simply collapse from the loss of balance. In the circuit, students naturally tend to subconsciously countersteer just enough, and that's really what they need for the obstacles. Actively teaching countersteer in the circuit is an instance where too much information can be dangerous.

 

Yes bro I agree, counter-steering doesn't apply at speeds below a certain point.

 

I'm no expert as I ain't a qualified rider yet, however I have been actively and consciously applying counter-steering to meet timings in Fig 8 and Slalom. Its still possible to "use it". It all depends on how fast you negotiate those hazard courses.

 

You are right, sometimes too much information isn't a good thing; however I'm just sharing info because I come across a lot of younger learner riders who seem to have the wrong idea of turning on a bike. It was meant to help people who really have problems and happen to come across this forum. Some of them body lean too much and can never get it right and fall down consistently.

 

Nonetheless, even experienced riders have this misconception of body leaning; which essentially doesn't do anything. I have friends who have been riding for a decade and have never heard it before. People say it happens automatically, but sometimes, having that knowledge also helps you ride better and be more confident in a turn.

[sydarume]

Waiting for lesson slots isn't the biggest problem - the big waits are for the TP tests, and currently the wait at SSDC is over a month longer than at CDC.

 

Yes bro; some ppl say it all works out to be even. I complete my lessons in 4 wks I wait for TP 1.5 - 2mths.

 

But, I'd rather complete my required lessons faster and wait for TP as compared to dragging out my lessons over a longer period and wait 1 month for TP. There is much more flexibility in booking and scheduling revisions then those compulsory lessons. At SSDC circuit revisions are in high supply.

 

It all depends on your schedule, how comfortable you are on not riding frequently, and of course the amount of revision you are willing to put in before TP test. Revision circuits don't cost much relatively speaking and the more time to practice the better.

 

It's all about perspective; but we are all going for the same goal!

Edited January 22, 2014 by sydarume

[sydarume]

I know this thread is kinda dead but just wanna share today I passed my 2b @ CDC!!!

 

I chua tio when I see my paper, 6 points for e-brake not enough speed wtf? Pretty sure i was going a little above 30

 

And god the feeling in the waiting room is the worst, even worse than first day ns enlistment

 

Congrats! Ride safe buddy!

[car2ex]

URGENT, anyone know where do i report for the circuit training program?

[smokysalmon]

URGENT, anyone know where do i report for the circuit training program?

 

there's the motorcycle training counter which you'll see when you walk in from the gate

[smokysalmon]

Congrats! Ride safe buddy!

 

thank you, good luck for your TP!

[sydarume]

They have many slots..but not THAT many. Some lessons are not as frequently available as others. Even if you pass 1 time for every lesson, 4 weeks is still pretty unbelievable :\

 

Haha, yes I'm fortunate I'm a working adult but I don't have a 9-5 job so my schedule is very flexible. I'd like to add that I stay in the East of Sg and I still bailed out on CDC.

 

My friend who enrolled in CDC the same time as me (in fact we enrolled together); he is currently on his first road lesson in CDC (he cleared all his circuit lessons once each; got some "outside" experience that's why).

He is yet to take his RTT (I believe on 15 March) because DRT lesson wait time was incredibly long and you can't book RTT and go for road lessons till DRT is done (@CDC).

I completed all my theory and booked my RTT within 1 week in SSDC. But of course RTT no matter what have to wait la....Anything related to TP have to wait.

Unfortunately for him, he's going to clear his road lessons before 15 March I'm sure; and if he does, he is unable to book his TP test until he clears his RTT. Alot of unnecessary added waiting time.

[sydarume]

Every school is a great place to learn; I just intended to share some info on my experience.

 

Don't mean to offend anyone or say one is better than the other. For some going to CDC is extremely convenient. For others, they want to just get the job done faster if possible.

 

I think my main aim was to get the word out on counter-steering to as many learners as I can. Haha

[car2ex]

where is it actually at? cheers for the fast reply

[smokysalmon]

where is it actually at? cheers for the fast reply

 

http://www.singaporeprivatedrivinginstructor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/cdc.jpg

 

if you walk from this entrance, just go straight and you can see people with helmets sitting down at the training area

[car2ex]

near the cafe? left or right side? thanks a lot man

[smokysalmon]

it's at the end of the long pathway with lots of seats outside (assuming you walk from cafeteria)

[Walabam]

If you don't see it, just go inside the customer service and ask. No need take queue no. Just ask. xD

[car2ex]

Thanks Walabam and smokysalmon

[pyro77]

Anybody feels the road revisions are a waste of time? Just go through route 1 and 2 and then the rest of the time is circuit.

 

 

If I haven't memorize the route maybe it's okay but then memorized already, I find it a bit pointless. If it's a few times around the route then maybe okay, but once only, a bit meh.

[smokysalmon]

Anybody feels the road revisions are a waste of time? Just go through route 1 and 2 and then the rest of the time is circuit.

 

 

If I haven't memorize the route maybe it's okay but then memorized already, I find it a bit pointless. If it's a few times around the route then maybe okay, but once only, a bit meh.

 

 

ya a bit dulan when i found out, thought it's go road until lesson end -.-

 

heng i booked 2 road revision nia, the rest spent on circuit

[pyro77]

ya a bit dulan when i found out, thought it's go road until lesson end -.-

 

heng i booked 2 road revision nia, the rest spent on circuit

 

Yeah, not to mention the cost for 1 road revision can pay for 2 and a half circuit.

[car2ex]

circuit training program was pretty much a waste of time :/

[sydarume]

Anybody feels the road revisions are a waste of time? Just go through route 1 and 2 and then the rest of the time is circuit.

 

 

If I haven't memorize the route maybe it's okay but then memorized already, I find it a bit pointless. If it's a few times around the route then maybe okay, but once only, a bit meh.

 

 

Yes, completely agree with you. Even at SSDC its like that.

 

That's why I do much more circuit revision and few road revisions. You can't really revise for road traffic situations. Only can practice the route; which if you know at the back of your hand; more or less set.

 

Possibility for immediate failure in circuit also much higher chance then on road.

[rijac]

was the orange light in the front of the bike on? the bikes are new, so the lights are working and they can tell if you passed 30 or not. the orange light will light up. but who cares, congratulations!

I know this thread is kinda dead but just wanna share today I passed my 2b @ CDC!!!

 

I chua tio when I see my paper, 6 points for e-brake not enough speed wtf? Pretty sure i was going a little above 30

 

And god the feeling in the waiting room is the worst, even worse than first day ns enlistment

[rijac]

i used to think RR was waste of time... but i took TP 3 times, i can assure you there are situations that happen that you may not be prepared for because you didn't have enough road revision - things on the circuit are controlled but on the road anything can happen and you might not know how to react. true that things may not happen during road revision but it is still worth doing a few. in any case when you come back you get to do circuits anyway so kill two birds with one stone.

Anybody feels the road revisions are a waste of time? Just go through route 1 and 2 and then the rest of the time is circuit.

 

 

If I haven't memorize the route maybe it's okay but then memorized already, I find it a bit pointless. If it's a few times around the route then maybe okay, but once only, a bit meh.

[rijac]

you will find a lot of the things you do at CDC is a waste of time and money.

circuit training program was pretty much a waste of time :/

[smokysalmon]

was the orange light in the front of the bike on? the bikes are new, so the lights are working and they can tell if you passed 30 or not. the orange light will light up. but who cares, congratulations!

 

yes i saw the orange bulb light up but nvm lah pass liao dont care anymore haha

[di_andrei]

yes i saw the orange bulb light up but nvm lah pass liao dont care anymore haha

 

Sometimes when you stop far away from the line (ie. very early) they tend to assume that you weren't going fast enough. Same for class 2A and 2 - if you stop before the class 2B line.