Honda New 400cc lineup 2013, CB400F, CB400X, CBR400R

[kothargi]

Can't wait to register for my 2A next month! All this talk about the bike is tempting me!

[mechwira]

Out of so many new launch

Only the 400x is the most talk about

Guess it is the most popular among the new launch

 

To use for touring

It should have a windscreen?

 

The first and only 2a adventure bike, not surprising it generate the most interest, even elsewhere in the world. But honestly I doubt its ability for touring or adventure, but for commuting in style, it makes sense.

[thechosenx]

Yup, all true. Super 4 is a inline 4 engine and 400X is a parallel twin, a total different thing.

 

I'm riding super 4 currently and will await next 2 weeks for my 400X.

 

I tried chasing a 400X with my super 4 and I have to raise my rpm high (well it's a inline 4 and only max output at 11,000rpm?) till 3rd gear to catch it.

 

I like the torque and I personally think its a good bike for sillypore.

Edited August 14, 2013 by thechosenx

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[danielb]

Yup, all true. Super 4 is a inline 4 engine and 400X is a parallel twin, a total different thing.

 

I'm riding super 4 currently and will await next 2 weeks for my 400X.

 

I tried chasing a 400X with my super 4 and I have to raise my rpm high (well it's a inline 4 and only max output at 11,000rpm?) till 3rd gear to catch it.

 

I like the torque and I personally think its a good bike for sillypore.

 

Wa. Is it really a 400x or nc700x?

How come now the discussion is around hp and torque figures?

 

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[ORen]

The first and only 2a adventure bike, not surprising it generate the most interest, even elsewhere in the world. But honestly I doubt its ability for touring or adventure, but for commuting in style, it makes sense.

 

What's a bike's ability for touring and adventure? The idea that one can only tour on a GS or Tenere or a bike marketed for such use is getting a bit old don't you think ?

People have toured on all sorts of 2 wheelers and then some.

 

To me, unless we are talking about 1 to 2 years touring, real stuff across continents, any bike will do. And there's absolutely no need for an "adventure" bike.

 

That is even more true here where people talk often about touring but you can still count on your fingers the number of bikers who went to China, or Nepal or even across more than 3 countries. In Singapore most of the time touring means going somewhere in Malaysia or push it to Thailand, maybe go have fun in the Golden Triangle. That's a few days ride up and down, no need to bring out the big boys, a Wave can do it and bring a gigantic smile on the rider's face.

 

I say your bike can be an adventure bike if you let it. It's all about the rider

 

Although I caught the touring virus, I am attracted to the looks of the bike more than the fact that its supposed to be for touring. Out of all the series models, the X looks the best to me. It's sexy, kinda fierce but stylish, love that beak and the compactness of the front. Also, it has a bigger tank and is slightly higher than its street counterpart so that's an added benefice for me.

Edited August 14, 2013 by O'Ren

[danielb]

The first and only 2a adventure bike, not surprising it generate the most interest, even elsewhere in the world. But honestly I doubt its ability for touring or adventure, but for commuting in style, it makes sense.

 

Doubt so too. At least honda targeted the correct model gap at least in SG...

 

Like a SUV to the car segment.

 

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[ORen]

@Baal, could you please explain the relationship between the fuel grade (RON) and the engine capacity or compression ratio? Sorry for the silly question, I could Google it but I find it better to ask other riders

 

I never really stopped to consider this question, I would just follow the manual.. Which btw I haven't found yet online, so if anyone does, even the 500X that would be great!

[danielb]

http://www.motorcycle.in.th/filemgmt/index.php?id=197

 

The manual 500x

[ORen]

BP package is 2k downpayment and 280 for 48months = 15440 w/o insurance. So we dont know the machine price and interest per year. Maybe some of you can ask the breakdown price cause when I ask, they reluctant to give the breakdown price and insurance must take Comprehensive coverage.

 

Mah motor quote 15k otr w/o insurance. Interest is at 5% per year

 

DX quote 14400 otr w/o insurance. Interest also at 5% per year.

 

So BP has the cheapest price but ultimately is for you guys to decide

 

BP rang me today. Quoted $2,380 + $280x48months. Does not include Insurance nor IU. Interest is included. Must take comprehensive insurance.

Special package deal for instalments. If want to pay full payment by cash, go down and talk to them directly.

Edited August 14, 2013 by O'Ren

[ORen]

http://www.motorcycle.in.th/filemgmt/index.php?id=197

 

The manual 500x

 

Awesome, thanks ! Some of the pictures looks like it's missing bits.. like the part indicated is not there (see page 65 for example)

Says EO change at 12k km after the first change..that's .. wow !

[mechwira]

What's a bike's ability for touring and adventure? The idea that one can only tour on a GS or Tenere or a bike marketed for such use is getting a bit old don't you think ?

People have toured on all sorts of 2 wheelers and then some.

 

anybody who wants to do a 'real' tour up north or further on a cub-chai, i frankly have nothing to say. its your bike, your joy, so if you find such a thing fun, more power to you.

 

i would never tour on a low-powered bike for the following reasons (but this is only me):

 

1) i will fall asleep cruising 100kmh on NSH.

2) even if the bike can hit above 120kmh but its small and light, its dangerous and will be unstable.

3) even if can go above 100kmh, the trucks on NSH are going at 120kmh, i would rather be on a bike with good power to spare beyond 120kmh to avoid these trucks. a small bike can hit 120kmh, but typically not much power left by then.

4) most friends and guys i know who actually tour, go on high powered bikes and cruise at high speed, for precisely the reasons i mentioned above. if you cant keep up, you cant join them.

 

no doubt a CB400X is no cub, but when i say i'm not confident with its ability to tour, i mean i'm not confident the CB400X effectively tackles the four issues above. but if you just want to tour on anything as long it runs on petrol and no need to pedal.....

 

 

as for the fact that few people actually bring their adventure bike off-road, point very well taken. i totally agree. just like not every guy on a sportsbike has seen a track, also not every dude on a bmw or ktm adventurer or africa twin has gotten real mud on his bike. but some do. and the rest just like the idea that theoretically they can if they want to. but i think the CB400X can't.

 

 

but like i said earlier, don't take away the 400X for what it can't. what it can, is commute well and in style.

[mechwira]

@Baal' date=' could you please explain the relationship between the fuel grade (RON) and the engine capacity or compression ratio? Sorry for the silly question, I could Google it but I find it better to ask other riders [/quote']

 

the higher the compression ratio of the engine, the higher the RON it needs.

 

BUT most if not all road bikes, even sportsbikes with very high compression ratios, are deliberately designed to be able to take a minimum of RON95 in stock without experiencing auto-ignition. i don't think any stock road bike 'needs' RON98 unless the engine internal is heavily modded after purchase. much less a 400/500cc parallel twin.

 

92 though, i can believe may cause auto-ignition in some bike models in stock.

[danielb]

@mechwira i agree with ur points. Valid points.

 

I think soft core dirt track still ok la. If wann do long way round trip type. I think the rims sure break.

 

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[ORen]

Hey, thanks for taking the time to give your point of view, appreciate it !

 

anybody who wants to do a 'real' tour up north or further on a cub-chai, i frankly have nothing to say. its your bike, your joy, so if you find such a thing fun, more power to you.

 

i would never tour on a low-powered bike for the following reasons (but this is only me):

 

1) i will fall asleep cruising 100kmh on NSH.

2) even if the bike can hit above 120kmh but its small and light, its dangerous and will be unstable.

3) even if can go above 100kmh, the trucks on NSH are going at 120kmh, i would rather be on a bike with good power to spare beyond 120kmh to avoid these trucks. a small bike can hit 120kmh, but typically not much power left by then.

4) most friends and guys i know who actually tour, go on high powered bikes and cruise at high speed, for precisely the reasons i mentioned above. if you cant keep up, you cant join them.

 

1) I can understand that, fair enough. However, beyond the NSH, and some Thai roads, you'll never actually hit even 90km/h more than a few minutes before having to slow down

2) Small bikes are not meant for high speeds, so their riders know better

3) See #1

4) Ah, well, different riders different styles ! Definitely agree that a bike that can do 120-130km/h comfortably on the highway is better than one that does 80-95km/h. But when you ride the latter, you kind of play in your own school yard you know ?

 

I just meant that getting an adventure bike won;t mean adventure until you have an adventure yourself. And that you can do with a smaller bike too. I gave the wave example but I don;t think myself I can go around on a wave for months. And I guess once you taste the comfort of a GS (which I never have yet), you will find it super hard (litterally..) to ride a wave or 2B bike for long trips.

 

As for the 400X, it definitely will be doing just fine (and then some) on the matter of cruising at 120 km/h, don;t you think ? Or you think the engine can't take it ? Hell, the Pulsar 200NS can do that

And the guys riding the 500X in Thailand have already taken it and its scorpion tires to true blue off road stuff and the bike is doing really well. Maybe the 400X can do well too ?

 

I think the 400X can take riders across MY, Thailand, Laos and Vietnam, and push further if needed. In the region to be honest there is anyway very little roads for speed. If we were in Europe or the US it would be another discussion, but around here, most "adventure" roads are better explored and discovered on smaller lighter bikes. So I think the 400X can manage just fine - let's see where the riders will take it in the next few months !

[ORen]

the higher the compression ratio of the engine, the higher the RON it needs.

 

BUT most if not all road bikes, even sportsbikes with very high compression ratios, are deliberately designed to be able to take a minimum of RON95 in stock without experiencing auto-ignition. i don't think any stock road bike 'needs' RON98 unless the engine internal is heavily modded after purchase. much less a 400/500cc parallel twin.

 

92 though, i can believe may cause auto-ignition in some bike models in stock.

 

The manual doesn;t specify the RON number, so how do I know what to choose ? Just stick to 95 ? And say youre riding in a place where the only grade available is 91 or 89, and you end up filling 4-5 tanks of it before going back to RON 95, how bad is it ?

 

(Never bothered with this stuff, my bike can drink cool aid and still run haha..) :cheeky:

[danielb]

Even then ron98 still packs more cleaning agents and stuff...so go for the best grade..

If there is only 92... Maybe can add octane booster, 2t, or cool aid to be sure.

 

But shud not worry too much. Ecu on fi bikes should be able to adjust accordingly

[mechwira]

The manual doesn;t specify the RON number, so how do I know what to choose ? Just stick to 95 ? And say youre riding in a place where the only grade available is 91 or 89, and you end up filling 4-5 tanks of it before going back to RON 95, how bad is it ?

 

(Never bothered with this stuff, my bike can drink cool aid and still run haha..) :cheeky:

 

bike manuals always state the minimum RON rating. this is essential information. for both my previous CBR600RR and my current ninja300, it claims a minimum of RON91, although like i said, 95 is safe enough and no road-bike (that i know of) 'needs' a 98.

 

if you ever find yourself in a region where the only fuel grade available is 89 or 91, you are literally riding the wrong bike. all bikes released for sale in such a region would be tweaked by the manufacturer to be able to take minimum 89, with of course a corresponding performance loss. it would also come with a manual that states a different RON requirement.

 

but lets say your bike can take minimum 91 as stated in manual, and it takes it without auto-ignition as claimed. after a few tanks of 91, you change back to 95. what's the damage? none. you damage the engine only if there is prolonged occurrence of auto-ignition.

 

@danielb is correct in that typically higher RON, the petrol company adds additives. these additives make the engine produce a little more power, thus fooling every biker and driver into thinking the more expensive higher RON petrol is 'necessary' for their vehicle, when in fact by pure RON, using higher RON than necessary does nothing but burn more petrol. the fact is these additives are good and beneficial but not necessary.

Edited August 14, 2013 by mechwira

[danielb]

Yeah. Thats y i suggested get the highest ron even though can take ron95.

 

Ron98 felt more smooth a bit. Then again different company ron98 got different quality too.

 

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[rock n roll]

Btw is there any aftermarket exhaust for 400x?

[danielb]

The manual doesn;t specify the RON number, so how do I know what to choose ? Just stick to 95 ? And say youre riding in a place where the only grade available is 91 or 89, and you end up filling 4-5 tanks of it before going back to RON 95, how bad is it ?

 

(Never bothered with this stuff, my bike can drink cool aid and still run haha..) :cheeky:

 

Miss. I gave the link....download the PDF......

The recommended fuel is ron91 for 500x on pg36

[danielb]

Btw is there any aftermarket exhaust for 400x?

 

http://item.rakuten.co.jp/hatoya-bike/y20130706048/

 

 

Mugen can Bo?

[danielb]

Moriwaki?

http://www.moriwaki.co.jp/global/n_products/0136.cbr400r/cbr400r_e.html

[rock n roll]

Does the exhaust approved by lta?

But i heard that there gonna be aftermarket exhaust its leovince

[rock n roll]

Moriwaki?

http://www.moriwaki.co.jp/global/n_products/0136.cbr400r/cbr400r_e.html[ATTACH]285844[/ATTACH]

 

Moriwaki xhaust is illegal.. Cos the sound of the xhaust is loud