Gear 1 or neutral gear

[Phang]

Originally posted by Scorpione_phantom@April 08, 2007 04:15 am

nothing is grinding in between them. When in gear 1 with clutch disengaged, the pressure plate is held away frm the disks, allowing them to slip past each other, they are NOT held away by very much though, now when this happens, the oil between the plates will actually allow the plates to transfer some of the engine power to the countershaft and hence the rear wheel, that's why your rear wheel spins with the bike in gear, clutch in and on mainstand. These are possible due to the viscousity of the engine oil.

 

in my point of view, clutching in is NOT enough to cause wear and tear as compared to a holding the clutch in "Half-clutched" position. ie 100 hours of clutching in at gear 1 is probably = 10 secs of half clutch. Illustration is just assumption to SHOW the extend of wear and tear of clutching in. Not real statistics.

I agreed with your point on the oil viscosity, I will update you guys again once I have found out more on those bikes with a dry clutch

[keratsini]

Originally posted by Scorpione_phantom@April 08, 2007 04:18 am

27 years of riding doesn't really make you hundred percent correct. Please go DEEP enough to give us the reason then. Not an obligation though, but at least support your statement with facts.

Of course I can support what I said. I'm running the ZXR you see on my avatar since 1990. Till this date I have no problem with the clutch.

 

Can you now support yr statement with yr own experience?

[LordCani]

I guess what bro keratsini said made sense, bikes with new clutch plates when u kick gear 1 it jerks but stops right there but for abit worned off ones or if ur biting point is too near and u engage gear 1 the bike keeps moving forward even if u didnt throttle, by forcing it to a stop yeah the bikes not moving but actually is kind of "half-clutching" already. And we all know half clutch wears ur clutch plates... Even for new bikes u cant feel it but i gueses more or less it actually wears a little... Or u can simply try jacking up the bike on rear stands and kick gear1, the wheel actually moves quite fast even when clutched in. If it isnt the moving engine rubbing the plates makeing the wheel move, then what? wind blow?

 

Im just sharing what i know... I dont have years of riding experience... so dont flame me ! friend friend !

[fruitcakepablohoney]

Everybody got their own opinion.

Peace guys!

 

What about up-shifting?

I heard you don't even have to use the clutch, only downshifting.

Will that spoil something?

Your 2 cents guys.

[keratsini]

Do not worry fruitcakepablohoney,

 

No one is fighting here. We simply express opinions and/or experiences. From experience I know prolong clucthing will wear off the friction plates faster.

 

I do not know thought, the safety aspect that is tought at driving centers of stopping and waiting with 1st gear engaged. To me, make more sense waiting on Neutral rather than 1st gear. The reason I say that, is because if a car hit you from behind (when I say "hit" I mean to knock yr bike slightly), there are high chances your fingures to slip off the clutch lever and stall the bike, which it might result to fall off.

 

I personaly feel more secure when I'm waiting on Neutral with both legs down and the front break pressed. In that posture, I fell that, I have better control of the bike.

 

For your question that don't even have to use the clutch, only downshifting. I know can be done and usually is done during racing. However is not advisable to do it as will damage your gear box. For those guys racing in various events they usualy have financial support from sponsors and/or deep pockets. Their aim is to win at any "cost". For you and me the aim is to enjoy riding without making a big hole in our peckets.

 

If, however, you still want to change gear without clutching, then I recommend you to do that on upshifting as the damage will not be as much.

 

 

Cheers

[zod]

Originally posted by Phang+April 06, 2007 02:40 pm-->

QUOTE (Phang @ April 06, 2007 02:40 pm)

Put your bike on center stand, start the engine, clutch in fully and hold, engage 1st gear and see whether the rear wheel will spin or not.[/b] For a bike with clutch not relatively worn out, the wheel will spin for a short distance and come to a stop.

[fruitcakepablohoney]

Originally posted by keratsini@April 09, 2007 12:54 pm

For your question that don't even have to use the clutch, only downshifting. I know can be done and usually is done during racing. However is not advisable to do it as will damage your gear box. For those guys racing in various events they usualy have financial support from sponsors and/or deep pockets. Their aim is to win at any "cost". For you and me the aim is to enjoy riding without making a big hole in our peckets.

 

If, however, you still want to change gear without clutching, then I recommend you to do that on upshifting as the damage will not be as much.

 

 

Cheers

Thanks for the advise dude! Cheers

[kori]

i read an article in a bike magazine talking about clutchless upshifting.. in the article, it states that damage will only be caused if you do not know the correct technique of clutchless upshifting which is to upshift while ur throttle hasnt been closed fully regardless what rpm and whether you're using shaft or chain.

[fruitcakepablohoney]

I've been told by my 'instructor' to use the 'clutchless upshifting' method during track riding.

I'm so use to it now.