City Harvest Church

[MS]

Originally posted by DarkKnight2004@Jun 4 2005, 05:58 PM

I have a good news for you, I will be seeing you and the few others soon.

I find this more like a threat. A large part of the community is reading this forum though they never post. Please refrain from making threatening remarks. As from your previous posts, you are highlighting that you belong to the SPF. If this is the way SPF handles things, then I believe you are the black sheep. Gotta watch it in case you get sacked for doing things you're not supposed to do and tarnishing the reputation of SPF. You're taking things very personal yet at the same time dragging the SPF into this matter. Your views do not represent the entire SPF. I advise you to re-think your decision to post anything threatening. You are liable for what you say. As a christian, do you think you have been gentle to everyone as Jesus has urged all his believers to be? I know its hard, I also find it hard to be gentle to everyone especially when someone gets on your nerves. But please remember the works that Jesus has done to keep the world intact. And at least try to be gentle to everyone around.

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This thread is to highlight the problems of road hazards along CHC. If anyone go and use the road during the peak hours, will actually understand why is it making pple so frustrated. I was from CHC for 3 months & the traffic conditions was really bad during the times when all the members go to church and leave church together. The jam from inside to outside. The road congested horizontally while the members frantically try to leave the church. This frustration affects both the members and non members using the roads outside CHC. Henceforth causing many near misses. Now I do not join CHC anymore but the situation hasn't improved till now. When CHC was back in Tanjong Katong, I think similar problems also casued pple to feel frustrated just that no one made a point to complain. Actually the best solution is to avoid the area during the peak hours. Otherwise, I think its very hard to come up with a proper solution right?

 

I have forwarded the link to City Harvest Church for them to take note. Hopefully they can be aware of the frustration. Once and for all, no more empty talks, actions speaks louder.

[Guest BoBOKik]

Darkknight2004

 

sadly i have to say, u did really overeacted to this topic. u first started by typing out in CAPS, making its bold and changing the font color to red. i believe most readers including myself here, will your this particular posting of your extremely rude.

 

den later u go abt askin 2 of the forum members to meet u down at PCC to have "some coffee" wif yr frds... why bein a member of the SPF give u the rights to behave like a hooligan? remember the citizen too have their rights. and yr posting here will serve as evidences against u, shd anything "happened" to both of them decide to seek legal action against u. there is still laws in singapore u know, and being a member of the SPF dnt make u above the law.

 

den u keep pmin the moderators to look into tis topic.. look into wat?? askin us to come see yr hooligan behaviour?

 

yes, no doubt there are some members here might be abit too biase against certain religous group or organisation. but generally the member here have been relatively calm n objective, discussing the traffic problem created by CHC. that is until u put up yr cap bold red posting.

 

u can call both of them names and yet have u looked at yrself in the mirror too? so i suggest to u, go sit down quietly and think abt wat u have jus posting, are u behaving any different from those kinds of ppl u hightlighted.. or u are behaving jus like the very type of person u despise.

 

think abt it.

 

ps. Tyrian n StingRhea, give it a rest, no point provoking any further.

[DarkKnight2004]

Originally posted by MS@Jun 4 2005, 11:38 PM

I find this more like a threat. A large part of the community is reading this forum though they never post. Please refrain from making threatening remarks. As from your previous posts, you are highlighting that you belong to the SPF. If this is the way SPF handles things, then I believe you are the black sheep. Gotta watch it in case you get sacked for doing things you're not supposed to do and tarnishing the reputation of SPF. You're taking things very personal yet at the same time dragging the SPF into this matter. Your views do not represent the entire SPF. I advise you to re-think your decision to post anything threatening. You are liable for what you say. As a christian, do you think you have been gentle to everyone as Jesus has urged all his believers to be? I know its hard, I also find it hard to be gentle to everyone especially when someone gets on your nerves. But please remember the works that Jesus has done to keep the world intact. And at least try to be gentle to everyone around.

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This thread is to highlight the problems of road hazards along CHC. If anyone go and use the road during the peak hours, will actually understand why is it making pple so frustrated. I was from CHC for 3 months & the traffic conditions was really bad during the times when all the members go to church and leave church together. The jam from inside to outside. The road congested horizontally while the members frantically try to leave the church. This frustration affects both the members and non members using the roads outside CHC. Henceforth causing many near misses. Now I do not join CHC anymore but the situation hasn't improved till now. When CHC was back in Tanjong Katong, I think similar problems also casued pple to feel frustrated just that no one made a point to complain. Actually the best solution is to avoid the area during the peak hours. Otherwise, I think its very hard to come up with a proper solution right?

 

I have forwarded the link to City Harvest Church for them to take note. Hopefully they can be aware of the frustration. Once and for all, no more empty talks, actions speaks louder.

Why will you ever think that seeing you is a bad thing or even threatening you? Have you done/said something wrong, unlawfully, something that poses a thread to the security of singapore, or in support of people who wants to do that? You have misunderstood what I wrote.

 

My view from the start till now is, that the forum is not a place/tool for people with ill intention to stir up enmity against any religion or places or worship. There are all kinds of people with different kinds of agendas here, posting all kinds of comments, so I wanna ask, are you for Singapore's best interest? Our peace and harmony between religions in singapore is a very important part of our social defense. There are so many who treasure it, but very few who hate it.

 

I wanted to ignore this thread initially, but no moderators seem to bother to step in, even when it got very off topic with a string of very negative/unconstructive and baises comments of this church and religion. Anyone here wants to be bombed when they visit their place of worship? Or wants to be killed just because of their religion beliefs did not go well another? Do you know that those negative comments may lead to such terrorists act, as seeds of hatred is being sowed and nutured in a person?

 

And for once, I going to make it very clear. My comments have no relations to the SPF, they are straightly personnal.

 

So before you accusing me of anything, please look at the larger picture, as of a singapore interest as a whole.

 

BTW I'm not related to this church whatsoever. Even if it's a temple, mosque, etc... and there are such postings, I would still have voice out my opnion.

 

But judging from this thread, I can see there are a couple of people who hates this church and religion very much.

 

The question I wanna ask is: what did this church/religion did to your family, friends, loved ones, your life? They steal, kill, destroy, rob, slander, exploit you?

 

Or have they been reaching out to the community, bringing hope to poeple, serving the community, helping the poor, meeting the needs of the people?

 

Then what have you, as a person done for the community?

[DarkKnight2004]

Originally posted by BoBOKik@Jun 5 2005, 01:01 AM

Darkknight2004

 

sadly i have to say, u did really overeacted to this topic.  u first started by typing out in CAPS, making its bold and changing the font color to red.  i believe most readers including myself here, will your this particular posting of your extremely rude.

 

den later u go abt askin 2 of the forum members to meet u down at PCC to have "some coffee" wif yr frds... why bein a member of the SPF give u the rights to behave like a hooligan? remember the citizen too have their rights. and yr posting here will serve as evidences against u, shd anything "happened" to both of them decide to seek legal action against u. there is still laws in singapore u know, and being a member of the SPF dnt make u above the law.

 

den u keep pmin the moderators to look into tis topic.. look into wat?? askin us to come see yr hooligan behaviour?

 

yes, no doubt there are some members here might be abit too biase against certain religous group or organisation. but generally the member here have been relatively calm n objective, discussing the traffic problem created by CHC. that is until u put up yr cap bold red posting.

 

u can call both of them names and yet have u looked at yrself in the mirror too? so i suggest to u, go sit down quietly and think abt wat u have jus posting, are u behaving any different from those kinds of ppl u hightlighted.. or u are behaving jus like the very type of person u despise.

 

think abt it.

 

ps. Tyrian n StingRhea, give it a rest, no point provoking any further.

Hi there BoBOKik,

 

Let me ask you a question alrite, Where are the moderators and what are they doing, when this thread became very off topic, and had concieved a significant number of very biased, negative, unconstructive comments that are outwardly straightly slamming this church/religion?

 

My main concern is for the harmony and social security, something we have enjoyed in Singapore for so many years, and seeing that there are some people with very twisted ill intentions, either directly or indirectly out to destroy them by vommiting their nonsense in this thread, is it possible not to do anything about it?

 

Or is it that, the moderators in this forum are trying to protect or condone/encourage such activites/people? If this is so, if need be, the authorities will step in to shut the site down and bring the people in for investigation. Anything wrong with drinking coffee at a police station, helping the police in investigation, every good citizen can do that, and by following thru proper legal channels? If you did not violate the law, what is there to fear? I know the law well, and every citizens have rights. But If What you posted or said in the forum, posed a threat to our social security in Singapore, do you think there is a need to raise the alarm? Or you wanna wait until something more full blown before we do something about it?

 

If there was no mention of Our Creadible Police Force, do you think those fellows who have been propagating those nonsense would have seized in such a fast rate, or prehaps even apologise to those they have maliciously slandered, accused, hurted and jeered upon?

 

And I did not keep Pm-ing the moderators, I msg to two seperate moderators once, with the prupose to look into this thread, to moderate and regulate it, or even to closed it, based out of courtesy. Please check clearly. If need be we can investigate thru the main server log txt.

 

Please recongise that I did not use the Singapore Police Force to back me up or whatsoever. My comments are strictly personnal, and please dun put words in my mouth.

 

So in conculsion, if there are still people posting ill intentions stuff in the forum, trying to stir hatred in the heart of fellow Signapore, with the intentions to create social disharmony, and great tension between any religion or places of worship, then surely the authorites should be welcome to step in, if the moderators /dun bother enuff/ encourage/ condone/ support directly or indirectly/ or cannot effectively nip out such problems. Thanks.

[Guest max_nhk]

Calm down pls, DarkKnight2004. Your rampage isn't gonna help and people will definetly feel threatened after reading all your previous post here. If you're not comfortable with people's post, you should be the one sending the e-mail to CHC telling them about this.

 

You aren't wrong that some of the post here are very very biased and discriminating. Very few understand the consequences of their words and even fewer are willing to be responsible for what they say/post.

 

However there are also some comments that make sense as well. And for things to really improved, I believe CHC has to be involved. Tolerating isn't a one size fits all solution.

 

Lastly, be it the faithful christians or the bikers here, we all make mistakes!

[DarkKnight2004]

Originally posted by max_nhk@Jun 5 2005, 03:34 AM

Calm down pls, DarkKnight2004. Your rampage isn't gonna help and people will definetly feel threatened after reading all your previous post here. If you're not comfortable with people's post, you should be the one sending the e-mail to CHC telling them about this.

 

You aren't wrong that some of the post here are very very biased and discriminating. Very few understand the consequences of their words and even fewer are willing to be responsible for what they say/post.

 

However there are also some comments that make sense as well. And for things to really improved, I believe CHC has to be involved. Tolerating isn't a one size fits all solution.

 

Lastly, be it the faithful christians or the bikers here, we all make mistakes!

Hi Max, yes, I'm in a very calm mood. Personnally I dun have a problem with that traffic outside City HArvest Church. But I believe that the church management are aware of the traffic situation, and have been taking pains to improve the situation from time to time.

 

I believe that CHC, being one of singapore largest non-profit organisation, will be gald if any positive/constructive plans which is feastable is forward to them.

 

I'm very supportive of positive, constructive, feastable plans. And not any of those nonsense/evil comments.

[honda475]

maybe just like the ndp , with huge human traffic flow,

the best way is to design a flow-plan for pple to detour so as to

ease congestion n bottle-necks.

 

example, .... crossing over from kallang mrt to national stadium ndp, pple have 2 detour long roads to queue up in condoned channel way before reaching

the stadium within 500metre.

 

example/suggestion, ...... make a condoned detour walk way round that building that they come out from, make regulation to enforce passenger's pick-up pt at only 1 km away from that organization. or best, modifiy another lane for a compulsory left n left turn heading for the PIE. ( whether they go make u-turn in ntu or happily go tuas check-pt to u-turn , is their problem )

 

 

 

( i m saying no joke considering the amt of human n vehicular traffic flow, !! this is one of the way)

 

this way/ method is adopted for huge n massive assembly for any organisation, ie. mac-donald queue up for hello kitty, National day parade, SYF, chingay, or ......

 

thank you for reading,

 

:smile: :cheeky:

[Guest BoBOKik]

Originally posted by DarkKnight2004@Jun 5 2005, 03:46 AM

Hi Max, yes, I'm in a very calm mood. Personnally I dun have a problem with that traffic outside City HArvest Church. But I believe that the church management are aware of the traffic situation, and have been taking pains to improve the situation from time to time.

 

I believe that CHC, being one of singapore largest non-profit organisation, will be gald if any positive/constructive plans which is feastable is forward to them.

 

I'm very supportive of positive, constructive, feastable plans. And not any of those nonsense/evil comments.

good you decided to behave more calmly this time. let me try clarify yr queries.

 

i treat everyone here as a responsible adult, and they are mature n sensible enuf to think and be responsible for their words and actions. singapore itself is already a vry rigid and stressfuly country. pack wif rules n regulation, fines and restrictions. the gahment imposes all these to condition our citizens into 'behaving'. a forum or at least the internet is for ppl to relax, to gain and share information.

 

for me, a forum is for share and gaining information. i dont believe in censorship nor stoppin ppl frm voicing out their opinion in any form of discussion. in doin so, im only discouraging or preventing other ppl from daring to step out and share some really good views and solutions (which some members did really sounded out in this topic). but of cos, for every action there is an equal opposite reaction. that will be those members dat are nt mature, sensible in thinking and viewing the world through a telescope comes in (jus a general statment, nt refering to any particular members)

 

overall, the unconstructive or as put you it 'evil comments' , they are relatively harmless. i dont think they will really pose a serious threat to our national security. have more faith in our racial n religious tolerances in singapore. wat they voiced out is only but a one sided view, i dont see a whole group of them from any side, inciting any disharmony. they only reacted badly because you acted rudely in the first place. you could have just started off your posting more politely and maturely like right now, wouldnt u think they will reacted to u more positively.

 

having said that, dat is how i moderate, i've bein moderating tis forum since it started out, wen comes to dealing wif members i know wat works and wat dont. my style is vry much different frm other moderators is tis forums or perhaps other forums. i can be very strict n no nonsense type in moderating, but i dont see the usefulness in that style, i wan members to enjoy themself and able to voice out their opinions. but i will take serious action if i see dat things are not heading in the right direction.

 

so lets all keep tis objectively, i.e how to solve the traffic congestion near CHC.

 

ps. even if topic started off as other religious organisation creating a traffic congestion, it will still be left open for discussion.

[MS]

Originally posted by s4(7.5)honda@Jun 5 2005, 03:48 AM

maybe just like the ndp , with huge human traffic flow,

the best way is to design a flow-plan for pple to detour so as to

ease congestion n bottle-necks.

 

example, .... crossing over from kallang mrt to national stadium ndp, pple have 2 detour long roads to queue up in condoned channel way before reaching

the stadium within 500metre.

 

example/suggestion, ...... make a condoned detour walk way round that building that they come out from, make regulation to enforce passenger's pick-up pt at only 1 km away from that organization. or best, modifiy another lane for a compulsory left n left turn heading for the PIE. ( whether they go make u-turn in ntu or happily go tuas check-pt to u-turn , is their problem )

 

 

 

( i m saying no joke considering the amt of human n vehicular traffic flow, !! this is one of the way)

 

this way/ method is adopted for huge n massive assembly for any organisation, ie. mac-donald queue up for hello kitty, National day parade, SYF, chingay, or ......

 

thank you for reading,

 

:smile: :cheeky:

YES YES I agree to make a detour strongly. It's the cheapest way and safest way to avoid any accidents. There're many ways to make a detour. eg. 3DSMB, OCS region, JLN Bahar, Pioneer mall, etc. Unless you stay there, else I think a detour shouldn't be a problem. During my times while I was still a member in CHC, I was also sick with the other members who fail to watch traffic and cross the road without watching. And many will cross in whole platoon level. Making it very messy and everyone upset. The congestion doesn't only affects other road users but the own members who're driving/riding as well. I have a few incidences nearly banged into the CHC members who suddenly appear behind the gate or suddenly decided to jump on the road even though I was going extremely slowly. These road kings can be jumping out as near as right in front of you some more. I also have to admit that I actually 'hit' 1 of the members who jump onto the road somewhere near the main gate before. Luckily that person didn't fall down. He pushed his hand on my headlight while I jammed my brakes hard.

 

I guess there's no need to further explicitly comment on the traffic conditions anymore. So dear riders, be it you're christian or not, lets just respect each other, a detour is presently the most sensible way to avoid all the problems in 1 shot till further actions have been carried out by CHC to solve the problems.

[Guest max_nhk]

If I'm not wrong, a P.O. can arrest a person suspected of creating racial/religious disharmony without needing any warrent at all. That's how serious the authorities approach this type of matter, we can never allow such a thing to happen here.

 

Some of the post here are pretty risky. It would have been disasterous if left alone to spawn.

[paiseh]

Darkknight2004, wats ur eng grade in PSLE? no offence bro.

[xb84]

Originally posted by paiseh@Jun 5 2005, 04:23 PM

Darkknight2004, wats ur eng grade in PSLE? no offence bro.

not v. nice ah paiseh..

 

i dont like him too..

 

but dont provoke him like that..

[jinhanz]

Originally posted by paiseh@Jun 5 2005, 04:23 PM

Darkknight2004, wats ur eng grade in PSLE? no offence bro.

yah dun say liddat... a bit personal attack liaoz.... by the way for the moderator... pple can say whatever they wan.... pls dun allow onli stuff pple liek to hear and censor those that pple dun liek to hear....

[paiseh]

no offence so

[jkaiser]

Originally posted by max_nhk@Jun 5 2005, 01:06 PM

If I'm not wrong, a P.O. can arrest a person suspected of creating racial/religious disharmony without needing any warrent at all. That's how serious the authorities approach this type of matter, we can never allow such a thing to happen here.

 

Some of the post here are pretty risky. It would have been disasterous if left alone to spawn.

so basically a PO can come in to any forum n tell someone to come for kopi, w/o any proof of his identity..i mean..online ANYONE can be PO lor..anyway i just think he's being very PC..if u all noe wat PC is

[Guest max_nhk]

Originally posted by jkaiser@Jun 6 2005, 12:46 AM

so basically a PO can come in to any forum n tell someone to come for kopi, w/o any proof of his identity..i mean..online ANYONE can be PO lor..anyway i just think he's being very PC..if u all noe wat PC is

That is obviously not what I mean.

 

Your biased interpretation shows that you're obviously still not happy with DarkKnight.

If you can't get over it, by all means, make an official complian to the SPF, have them take a good look here.

Pls don't quote my post. I sure you don't like ppl to use you as a channel of personal attack ya?

 

Imho, the approach might be harsh, but the purpose is honest. Like I've previously said, we're all humans. Let it go.

 

 

So what does PC mean?

[DarkKnight2004]

Originally posted by BoBOKik@Jun 5 2005, 11:16 AM

good you decided to behave more calmly this time.  let me try clarify yr queries.

 

i treat everyone here as a responsible adult, and they are mature n sensible enuf to think and be responsible for their words and actions.  singapore itself is already a vry rigid and stressfuly country. pack wif rules n regulation, fines and restrictions. the gahment imposes all these to condition our citizens into 'behaving'. a forum or at least the internet is for ppl to relax, to gain and share information.

 

for me, a forum is for share and gaining information. i dont believe in censorship nor stoppin ppl frm voicing out their opinion in any form of discussion. in doin so, im only discouraging or preventing other ppl from daring to step out and share some really good views and solutions (which some members did really sounded out in this topic).  but of cos, for every action there is an equal opposite reaction.  that will be those members dat are nt mature, sensible in thinking and viewing the world through a telescope comes in (jus a general statment, nt refering to any particular members)

 

overall, the unconstructive or as put you it 'evil comments' , they are relatively harmless. i dont think they will really pose a serious threat to our national security. have more faith in our racial n religious tolerances in singapore.  wat they voiced out is only but a one sided view, i dont see a whole group of them from any side, inciting any disharmony.   they only reacted badly because you acted rudely in the first place.  you could have just started off your posting more politely and maturely like right now, wouldnt u think they will reacted to u more positively.

 

having said that, dat is how i moderate, i've bein moderating tis forum since it started out,  wen comes to dealing wif members i know wat works and wat dont. my style is vry much different frm other moderators is tis forums or perhaps other forums.  i can be very strict n no nonsense type in moderating, but i dont see the usefulness in that style, i wan members to enjoy themself and able to voice out their opinions.  but i will take serious action if i see dat things are not heading in the right direction.

 

so lets all keep tis objectively, i.e how to solve the traffic congestion near CHC.

 

ps. even if topic started off as other religious organisation creating a traffic congestion, it will still be left open for discussion.

Bobokik, Let me say this very clearly to you, and please listen very carefully.

 

If like what you say, treating everyone in this forum as a responsible adult, mature and sensible enough for their words or actions, then why is there a need for forums to have moderator/s in the frist place? You ever thought abt that?

 

If everyone is believed to be responsible, mature and sensible, just like what you have said, then is there a need for law and order in any place/country? So you think like that ... is better? People can just say what they want, do what they want, when they want, and how they want, on the expense of national interest, security, harmony, peace, and other's people rights. They can rob, steal, kill, molest, rape, involve in illegal activities openly, etc...and no need to pay the penalty for their crime/s. So you looking forward for a soceity like this? Maybe your love ones walk out one day, got robbed, attacked and raped. Or maybe you walked out from your place of worship, and a bomb just went off and killed all your love ones, leaving just you behind. And you can stand there saying, well that's just too bad, because there is no need for law and order, and you believe and treat everyone as a responsible, mature and sensible adult, so the criminals can just walk away, and no need to pay for his/her penalty for the crimes commited, pretenting just like nothing have happened. It's a very strange, twisted and naive way of looking at life, dun you think?

 

Law in any country, esp Singapore, is in placed only to deal with people with criminal intentions/actions, and any police force in any country's purpose is to enforce it, so as to uphold justice, order, security, and fairness to the general public, and not to some minority selfish twisted interests. Well in Singapore, we are so blessed with peace, religous harmony, social cohension, enconomic progress,great food and culture, etc... and from a thrid world nation to a first world nation status in less than 40 years. So far, no country on earth have ever done that before, and we need to keep it that way, and keep improving on our strengths.

 

As what you stated, a forum is a place where people can relax, share and gain knowledge, yes I agree with that statement partially, because it can also be used as a place/tool for people with twisted ill intentions to come and create national level problems. If any "sharing" poses a threat to Singapore Social defense/harmony, then it should be swiftly, harshly and servely dealt them, just like any cancer cells, early dectection and early treatment will give a better prognosis.

 

Criminals at the end of the day, who try to hide under any form of disguses, will still be serevely deal with, and with the full force of the law upon them, if neccessary. These people need to be put away from the general society for a long time, so that the general public will have a safe and pleasant environment to live, play, work in ... etc.

 

You can have your own beliefs, styles, habits, or even wear a pink underwear over your head, just as long as your words and/or actions do not posed a threat to the national interest or security. As for in this case, serveral posters have posted very serious negative, baised, evil comments that could lead to very serious consquences, like terrorists attacks, hatred of the religion/church, disccod between races, etc... And you have been trying to downplay it by saying it's relatively harmless. You have been trying to protect such people and condoning such activities in this thread. Let me say this very clearly to you, if this still carry on, I'm sure that any law abiding Singapore Citizen, who truly cares and treasure for our social/national interests will welcome the relevant authority tol come in to deal with the suitation. Investigation will be carried out, and arrest and charges will be make.

 

I have also noticed that some of those evil posted comments have been purposely deleted or gone missing, either by the members themselves or the moderators. And can I ask why is that so? If those comments are good, constructive, ok and right, dun you think they should stay in the thread for the benefits of all the forum users, or have they realise that they are stepping into something extremely serious with consquences that they will have to faced?

 

PS: These are my personnal comments and thinking, with no relations to any authorities at all.

[jinhanz]

hahahaha... think this discussion off topic already lets get back to the main topic... and if anyone do not like the topic perhaps u can juz stay out of this thread and not come in. but if u come in u have to accept what pple say whether u like it or not. they haf their own opinion. and by the way if our national security is realli that vulnerable, then i guess the education has realli fail. at least the majority. dun be too upset over this issue.

[misterbean]

What DarkKnight2004 just said makes a lots of sense if anyone bothers to listen. Perhaps his initial delivery puts ppl off, but up to the stage when he comes in, the thread was indeed venturing dangerously into a minesfield

 

When a group of religious practitioners exhibit inconsiderate behaviour, it is not right to pin the blame solely on that religion ... that arguement is too simplistic

 

btw, I am not a Christian and neither do I have any vested interest in CHC

[jinhanz]

yeah theres some that are realli off. however i dun realli think its that easy to influence pple. and his tone was offensive from the start which i think is the problem pple will be aggressive towards what he say and at the same time what he represent or trying to defence.

[StingRhea]

Darkknight. If i was against the church, I would have voiced out abt how fanatical some of their members are, one is my ex classmates, on how she can work part time to donate more money every month.

 

I would have voice out about how one of their pastor's is a singer, and how they mobilise members just to attend her concert.

 

I would have voiced out as a non profit organisation compulsory donations shouldn't be allowed.

 

But i ain't. Its a sensitive topic and not to be discussed at all, not even here.

 

I got nothing against the church. Its their belief anyway. There's nothing wrong beliving in your own faith, everybody have their own cultures and religions, and we ought the respect it, and not to question it.

 

What is being questioned now is the selfishness on the use of that stretch of road outside the church.

 

And when i say selfish is how some of the road wardens jump onto the

road and stopping vehicle in order to allow their own vehicle to manoeurve.

And these road wardens have no righ tot stop traffic.

 

Those Cisco officers are paid to stop vehicles to facilitate easy entry and exiting of vehicles in and out of the church.

 

 

Some over sensitive users before you posted made it seem like a personal attack on the church, stating why those mosques also have illegal parking on fridays and dun get summoned.

 

Some replies to that question were met with "maybe the wardens all inside praying"

 

Other sarcastic remarks were like "why they sin so much have to go church every sunday" are also discouraged.

 

However even though they are discouraged, they are not racist remarks.

 

Racist remarks will be like

Demolish the church and prob on traffics will be settled... Hails...

,

City Harvest is juz plain bullshit..

. These are then racist remarks. I hope you can see the difference.

 

If Singaporeans were not gracious people would make noise on how crowded can Little India be on Sunday evenings, and 2 out of 5 rows of traffic being used as a pedestrian walkway and how dangerously some of them dash out on the road. This is also a traffic problem.

 

However, some people posted to ST forum and now they are considering installing barricades to prevent people from venturing onto the road.

 

So what I feel this problem could be solve in a more gentlemanly manner.

[StingRhea]

Originally posted by Tyrian@Apr 26 2005, 12:39 AM

i dun tink this post is meant for flamable comments here.. this thread is about the traffic congestion around the church area..

 

although i have bad encounters with CHC ppl b4, i wun discrimate them or whatsoever.. I believe there are already quite a lot of worshippers b4 they move to their current site which is located at jurong.. perhaps they did not plan as well as they did in terms of traffic congestion..

 

although it's juz a worship/service or whatever you called that which only happens once a week, i believe, they all have a certain time in worshipping their gods. it's the same to all muslim who go for their friday prayers and i believe they do cause some sort of traffic conjestion around the mosque too..

 

the traffic conjestion can't be help.. you have to believe it, there r more christians families owning a 4-wheel vehicles than others, and they choose to drive to their churches for their worshipping session out of convenience or whatever reason they can think of.. after which they usually stay around the church for talking c*** session..

 

whereas for chinese, events such as the "qing ming" festival", it is not restricted to a 1 day only event.. they can choose to go at any day or time they deem fit, which explains the traffic conjestion isn't as bad.

 

to curb the problem, i believe more can be done

 

provide better public transportation around the area of the church.

build a 5-storey underground carpark with at least 1000 slots.

make it mandatory for the car owners to have all seats occupied b4 they are allowed to drive in to the church. this simply means car pool..

 

we may need to suggest this to the church for their suggestion.. of courese, money is always the problem.. if all else fails, u can always lodge a complain to the Traffic Police department or simply dail 999

So you tell me by Tyrian post contains racist remarks?

[jkaiser]

Originally posted by max_nhk@Jun 6 2005, 02:45 AM

That is obviously not what I mean.

 

Your biased interpretation shows that you're obviously still not happy with DarkKnight.

If you can't get over it, by all means, make an official complian to the SPF, have them take a good look here.

Pls don't quote my post. I sure you don't like ppl to use you as a channel of personal attack ya?

 

Imho, the approach might be harsh, but the purpose is honest. Like I've previously said, we're all humans. Let it go.

 

 

So what does PC mean?

no i'm not saying that darkknight is wrong or he's an imposter..that we would never know.. what i'm trying to say is that there has to be a proper channel to bring in ppl for investigation, and i think what he posted earlier about kopi and all is improper.. of cos if he's not a PO and he meant that as gentle warning that we are being monitored/watched here...then i can't say anything...

 

Already i think this has gone beyond the traffic or even church being there problem...

 

peace to all...just my opinion

[Guest max_nhk]

Ok, I get it. Think everybody agrees with you on that part as well.

[jkaiser]

Originally posted by max_nhk@Jun 7 2005, 12:49 AM

Ok, I get it. Think everybody agrees with you on that part as well.

yea..anyway i see wat i can do..mabbe i draft a letter or something tml to Today..not sure if i have the time to do it..anyone here can do it, pls do so...haha

 

it's better than talking until cows come home..kopi drink finish..and we havn't settled the main issue