Track Day Attitude - Johor Circuit Style

[Knightly]

DOCTOR DOL

 

is this idea from your Brain? or check with FIM or track manager??

if you writes by just from your Experience it so Danger.

you need take consult from under FIM or Track.

 

some Part of your idea is i so scary.

i do not go in track when you are riding on track

when you ride on track , but after you know your bike splash oil or Water on Track. maybe still you on your way to go pit.

mean time you will splash oil or water all over the Track.

 

"Keep to the extreme right side of the track and ride with 1 hand HIGH up"

 

what you mean this?? u mean just before the pit line??

or all over the track?? that is mean cut inside corner by slow speed every where??

 

and you need to know use what kind of Reason to stop safety area on track.

 

Of course you cant stop on track .

 

please check with FIM .

 

your each one word is Importance. coz some of Inexperience riders will just believes easily.

[mr_crumbs]

DOCTOR DOL

 

is this idea from your Brain? or check with FIM or track manager??

if you writes by just from your Experience it so Danger.

you need take consult from under FIM or Track.

 

some Part of your idea is i so scary.

i do not go in track when you are riding on track

when you ride on track , but after you know your bike splash oil or Water on Track. maybe still you on your way to go pit.

mean time you will splash oil or water all over the Track.

 

"Keep to the extreme right side of the track and ride with 1 hand HIGH up"

 

what you mean this?? u mean just before the pit line??

or all over the track?? that is mean cut inside corner by slow speed every where??

 

and you need to know use what kind of Reason to stop safety area on track.

 

Of course you cant stop on track .

 

please check with FIM .

 

 

your each one word is Importance. coz some of Inexperience riders will just believes easily.

 

Huh???

 

I must admit, it IS a somewhat hilarious message..for the wrong reasons of course.

[Doctor DOL 46]

DOCTOR DOL

 

is this idea from your Brain? or check with FIM or track manager??

if you writes by just from your Experience it so Danger.

you need take consult from under FIM or Track.

 

some Part of your idea is i so scary.

i do not go in track when you are riding on track

when you ride on track , but after you know your bike splash oil or Water on Track. maybe still you on your way to go pit.

mean time you will splash oil or water all over the Track.

 

"Keep to the extreme right side of the track and ride with 1 hand HIGH up"

 

what you mean this?? u mean just before the pit line??

or all over the track?? that is mean cut inside corner by slow speed every where??

 

and you need to know use what kind of Reason to stop safety area on track.

 

Of course you cant stop on track .

 

please check with FIM .

 

your each one word is Importance. coz some of Inexperience riders will just believes easily.

 

 

Dear SATO,

 

1. None of the current Singapore Rider holds FIM license. We hold NATIONAL License issued by SMSA. DO U HOLD FIM license???

 

2. Are you telling me FIM set regulations on how a TRACK DAY Safety should be?? If yes, please copy and paste here for all of us..

 

3. Have u ridden on Johor Circuit on a Track Day (3hr Special)?? Or have u ever ridden on Johor Circuit??

 

Please read carefully the topic of my post. Its Track Day Attitude.. I REPEAT TRACK DAY.. NOT RACE DAY!!!

 

I even shared my opinion on PRE-TRACK DAY.. Which means wat a rider should do the day before they go for a TRACK DAY.. Does FIM tell them wat to do the day before they go track???

[PuteraBrothers]

Dear SATO,

 

1. None of the current Singapore Rider holds FIM license. We hold NATIONAL License issued by SMSA. DO U HOLD FIM license???

 

2. Are you telling me FIM set regulations on how a TRACK DAY Safety should be?? If yes, please copy and paste here for all of us..

 

3. Have u ridden on Johor Circuit on a Track Day (3hr Special)?? Or have u ever ridden on Johor Circuit??

 

Please read carefully the topic of my post. Its Track Day Attitude.. I REPEAT TRACK DAY.. NOT RACE DAY!!!

 

I even shared my opinion on PRE-TRACK DAY.. Which means wat a rider should do the day before they go for a TRACK DAY.. Does FIM tell them wat to do the day before they go track???

 

 

 

Doc dol newbie like us need guidance from the seniors. be it which track or circuit, race or track days. We should mass gather and discuss about track safety.

 

 

We MUST have our own SOP......

[R6uddin66]

Very educational and informative read. I seconded Doc Dol write up on pre track day preparation. Having enough rest physically means being prepared mentally i.e being more alert. And most importantly your bike has to be track ready so that none of the safety aspects are compromise.

 

 

Valuable information from Ehem as well on first aid matters.

 

Even if the rules and regulations are not made mandatory, it is our social responsibility to exercise safety on track at all times. The newbies follow by good example set by seasoned riders. It will be a safe playground if everyone play nice.

[ambasnakeman]

Please read carefully the topic of my post. Its Track Day Attitude.. I REPEAT TRACK DAY.. NOT RACE DAY!!!

 

I even shared my opinion on PRE-TRACK DAY.. Which means wat a rider should do the day before they go for a TRACK DAY.. Does FIM tell them wat to do the day before they go track???

 

uncle dol,

 

dont get me wrong that i shooting/flaming u...but just that we have opposite views.

 

stuff like pre ride safety and stuff like that i agree with. but what u mean by a track day attitude.....or r u saying that, every rider who goes to a track day must have same menatlity like u...

 

IMO, if u want to go to a track and go around circles without laptimes, and wanna make it a time to mingle with other riders....i think mcdonalds will be a better venue.

[ehem]

ok, since this is a forum, lets talk it out. my point of view. all riders should somehow show ur intentions early, be predictable. In a way, make the riders behind u know that u intend to pit in. its like driving on the roads. good drivers can show u where they are going, sometimes without even signalling. bad drivers are very much harder to predict. U just dont know where they are going, and sometimes they brake hard in the middle of the road, jz to make it for an exit or turn. Apply the same principle on the track. move predictably.. not slowly, not suddenly, but moderately. to my personal opinion, its fine with me for racers to go for laptimes on trackdays, so long they can maintain a certain margin of safety(overtaking is fine so long u dont force the slower rider out of his way, and maybe his capabilities). u pay for the tracktime, so u should be given the right to do wat u wish, be it laptimes, be it jz practice, or even jz to finish off ur tyres. But we all ride to live... so we'll definitely want to LIVE to RIDE, so practice discretion. As for newbies, its a learning process. without the fast guys in the track, its hard to improve. with the fast guys around, u can actually watch them to learn WTH they're so fast. see, learn, apply. its a win-win situation. u'll definitely know when there are riders who are trying to overtake u, let them overtake. U wouldnt want them to perform a stunt in front of u jz so that they can overtake u, right? if u think u are faster, then i'm sure that u can overtake him again later in the next few corners.. and also, its fine to push ur limits... but not to the point u endanger others. i say again, practice ur own DISCRETION. and yes, for all those who like to go in gravel like me, pls, when u ride OUT of the gravel, please dont just jump straight into the racing line... many other track users will be THANKING u for adding more sand/stones onto the track. when i do ride out frm the gravel, personally i ride on the grass for a few metres or at least keep close to the edge of the track so that i dont leave sand/stones onto the track. its plain courtesy.

 

i'd like to see more ideas... thanks.

[Knightly]

Dear SATO,

 

1. None of the current Singapore Rider holds FIM license. We hold NATIONAL License issued by SMSA. DO U HOLD FIM license???

 

2. Are you telling me FIM set regulations on how a TRACK DAY Safety should be?? If yes, please copy and paste here for all of us..

 

3. Have u ridden on Johor Circuit on a Track Day (3hr Special)?? Or have u ever ridden on Johor Circuit??

 

Please read carefully the topic of my post. Its Track Day Attitude.. I REPEAT TRACK DAY.. NOT RACE DAY!!!

 

I even shared my opinion on PRE-TRACK DAY.. Which means wat a rider should do the day before they go for a TRACK DAY.. Does FIM tell them wat to do the day before they go track???

 

Dol.

you are nomore child right?

 

you writes

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""I even shared my opinion on PRE-TRACK DAY.. Which means wat a rider should do the day before they go for a TRACK DAY.. Does FIM tell them wat to do the day before they go track???""

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that point is ok.

 

but even you writes about ride on Track!!

what i have opposite views is on Track.

you need reads what i writes on last post.

 

 

some of your word is great but some of word is so Danger for riders.

i don't said dont tell before what to do. but you need watches out your word .

 

my point is safety.

 

for racing. need goal with out Injury.

Msportbike racing team(Pineapple motorsport) has rule for Win!!

it all about safety!! the Riders #12 #9 they never push until limits.

that why they has Powerfull Engine to do not push until limits.

parts is cheaper than Human's life.

and they has Educated by hight speed riding school.

they know what is Importance.it safety riding!!

and i always keep saing to them " do not Push your bike until limits."

racing is team work, do not need only rider self Push hard.

 

for track day no Injury, then go back house and see family happily

 

on Public road, also same go A to B safety no accident or Injury , then go back house happly with family.

 

Riders need ride to alive! but mean time family member is always worry about Rider in family.

 

 

i dont care race day or just have fun track day.i talking about safety riding.

i dont care what you talking about.

i just only care safety or not.

and i have FIA and FIM international license.

i has Drive or Ride on Johor Circuit so many time. test for racing rider or racing driver.

just you are so new on tracks. you dont know about me. who i am.

i am deeply on racing seen so many years at major Track and race.

so many happen at Track. it all didnot follow Official Track rule from Track organizer or FIM or FIA.

 

i my self i dont believes guidance from just NOVICE rider.

you need to know your one word make what happen later

 

FIA or FIM or Track manager has safety riding rule.

 

anyway. i know your word will make probrem at Track.

you will recalls what i said.

 

you guy need protect your life your self for fun to ride bike long term.

 

just fast ride is not so Great.

so it ok Slow riders,most Importance is Process of learning about bike at all

 

riders. you guy need to know about your self safety riding rule from Official Track guidance.

 

Sepang Circuit and Johor Circuit will Officially announce soon about Official guidance.

[omnislash]

Alot of us say this read is very comprehensive and easy to understand. But being a newbie, can I ask where is turn 8,9,10? Where is turn 2? I went to the website but couldn't find any layout with numbering of the turns. Maybe I missed it.

 

So with all the good description of what to do and what not to do, its pretty confusing to a newbie like me who doesn't know where is where.

 

Not trying to be funny but thats a real problem I face when I read this article.

[Edwin]

Alot of us say this read is very comprehensive and easy to understand. But being a newbie, can I ask where is turn 8,9,10? Where is turn 2? I went to the website but couldn't find any layout with numbering of the turns. Maybe I missed it.

 

So with all the good description of what to do and what not to do, its pretty confusing to a newbie like me who doesn't know where is where.

 

Not trying to be funny but thats a real problem I face when I read this article.

 

see here for the layout of PG

[slider]

Alot of us say this read is very comprehensive and easy to understand. But being a newbie, can I ask where is turn 8,9,10? Where is turn 2? I went to the website but couldn't find any layout with numbering of the turns. Maybe I missed it.

 

So with all the good description of what to do and what not to do, its pretty confusing to a newbie like me who doesn't know where is where.

 

Not trying to be funny but thats a real problem I face when I read this article.

 

doc dol have shared very basic safety for newbie which is very straight forward and easy to understand. but now it looks like the so call pro rider cannot accept the simple safety for track day. go to johor circuit website for the track layout and count the turn. turn 1 is after the grandstand then follow by long back straight to turn 2. turn 12 is the last turn then front straight pit wall. if still not sure maybe at the track u can approach the regular rider to explain to u where is turn 1, 2, 3, ,4 ,5 and so on.

[ambasnakeman]

doc dol have shared very basic safety for newbie which is very straight forward and easy to understand. but now it looks like the so call pro rider cannot accept the simple safety for track day. go to johor circuit website for the track layout and count the turn. turn 1 is after the grandstand then follow by long back straight to turn 2. turn 12 is the last turn then front straight pit wall. if still not sure maybe at the track u can approach the regular rider to explain to u where is turn 1, 2, 3, ,4 ,5 and so on.

 

 

the things a newbie do on a race track, can affect not only "so called pro rider", but riders who are faster than newbie. any rider riding way too slowly, and doing ridiculous things on the track, especially at parts where clear visibilty is limited with other riders dashing....can he another hazard in the making.

[omnislash]

see here for the layout of PG

 

This completes the picture. Thanx alot. No wonder they say a picture says a thousand words.

[omnislash]

And yup, its stupid of me to miss the "track layout" link at the "about us" page.

[servoprax]

Hi Sato.

 

Thanks for your input. I believe the Msportbike team has benefited from your understanding.

 

For those who have a desire to read, click the link below and have a read on what is going on in the Malaysian Race Scene. You may find some tips and rules pretty similar to those that have been posted. Just goes to show there are rules and safety practises around.

 

http://www.msportbike.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=7535

[Father John]

an addition to Dr Dol's efforts..

 

perhaps those trained in 1st Aid or current hospital paramedics can step out to identitfy urselves whenever at the track. especially in PG, i dont think they are trained properly to attend to crash victims. I heard that when the accident happened, the PG officials removed his helmet? I dont know how true this is, but that is not right. Perhaps someone there who knows the proper procedure should have stopped them from removing his helmet. This action could have aggravated the injury.

 

1st thing that should have been done is to maintain conversation and not allow the injured to fall asleep(if he was still conscious), 2nd step is to find out if he has difficulties breathing(if he does, then find a way to ease his breathing, eg: breathing apparatus/tilt head) and check if any bones broke, by asking the injured to move all limbs(moving slightly will be enough), and normally, what the injured guy cant feel means that it is likely to be broken. after that, then u can decide whether or not u can turn the injured over/or remove helmet or even gloves for that matter.. the best way is to cut the clothing off the injured.(eg: injured guy cant feel/move leg, so cut open his leather suit and boots to look for swelling/broken bone. once u can establish his leg is broken, u can support the leg using 3 planks of wood; bottom and 2 sides, strapping down the top and bottom of the legs.) Any spinal injury, then u must not move the injured person at all, let the professional paramedics move the injured guy instead. These the most basic of all 1st aid...

 

Its simple, if u dont know how to handle, then dont touch at all. U might jz be making things worse. but if u already see ppl tending to the injured and see something wrong, pls do stop them. I survived my major accident due to ppl who knew what to do. i broke my leg, my ribs and my lung collapsed. For all i know, if they had turned my body over, my broken ribs might have juz punctured my lungs. and i may not have survived to ride today.

 

Safety and discipline all come together... but accidents will still happen, so what happens next, could be the deciding factor whether that person is to survive or not.

 

Ehem, you are right in one big factor. If you're not trained in first aid, please don't touch the person even if he's your friend. From what I was taught in my Wilderness Medical First Responder course at OBS,

 

 

1. Tell him NOT TO move at all.

2. Remove the helmet, but someone must ensure his neck does not move when you're removing his helmet.

3. To check his Airway, breathing and circulation (pulse).

4. When his Airway, breathing and circulation (pulse) are ok, then check for broken bones, etc.

5. Do not move him/ tilt him as you may cause more injury. Also do not cut away or remove his clothing until you try and establish his injuries.

6. Try to keep him talking and responding to ensure his conciousness.

7. Try not to splint or treat his wounds as your hands have germs. Let the medics settle him as they're wearing gloves and have the proper medical equipment.

[RESPECT]

i totally agree that the first aid team in PG is not really trained.

my broken wrist got a little worse. the track marshall asked me to ride back safely. i kinda regret listening to him as i was still in shock.

[ehem]

Ehem, you are right in one big factor. If you're not trained in first aid, please don't touch the person even if he's your friend. From what I was taught in my Wilderness Medical First Responder course at OBS,

 

 

1. Tell him NOT TO move at all.

2. Remove the helmet, but someone must ensure his neck does not move when you're removing his helmet.

3. To check his Airway, breathing and circulation (pulse).

4. When his Airway, breathing and circulation (pulse) are ok, then check for broken bones, etc.

5. Do not move him/ tilt him as you may cause more injury. Also do not cut away or remove his clothing until you try and establish his injuries.

6. Try to keep him talking and responding to ensure his conciousness.

7. Try not to splint or treat his wounds as your hands have germs. Let the medics settle him as they're wearing gloves and have the proper medical equipment.

 

urm... there are no REAL medics at PG(correct me if i'm wrong, and i dont see them wearing gloves when attending to crash victims), however.. btw, i doubt the medical staff there.. due to my fren's experience.. he had an accident there, sent to hospital.. after hours of waiting and x-rays, the doctor found him to have fractured his leg(so they put cast on his leg), and assured that his shoulder that he complained of pain, was jz a muscle pain.. he came back to sgp and went to a local hospital. doctors here found that he had a broken collarbone and his leg was fine.

[ehem]

i totally agree that the first aid team in PG is not really trained.

my broken wrist got a little worse. the track marshall asked me to ride back safely. i kinda regret listening to him as i was still in shock.

 

well i guess there wont be a next time for u.. cuz now we both know how it feels when u break one of ur bones..