Class 2B Learners' Thread

[gpang788]

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Thanks IKM but I need a bit more detail then that like for e.g.

 

-When exactly to signal before turning into a junction? I remember my instructor said like 3 secs or 3 car lengths before the junction? Cos if signal too early or too late will deduct points.

 

-When moving off and turning left from junction, sometimes must checkback right, sometimes must checkback left? Why so confusing? So exactly when do you check left or right?

 

-When moving off a slope, one instructor told me just do your checkback and go. No need check blindspot? Another said must check blindspot as well? Again, sibei confusing.

 

-Stopping before turning into slope. If stop too far from the slope, kena penalise. Likewise, turning into slope too early also will get penalised. So where exactly to stop and when to start turning? As you can see it's all damn confusing to me.

 

Can anyone help me with the above questions?

Edited October 14, 2015 by gpang788

[samick]

Thanks IKM but I need a bit more detail then that like for e.g.

 

-When exactly to signal before turning into a junction? I remember my instructor said like 3 secs or 3 car lengths before the junction? Cos if signal too early or too late will deduct points.

 

-When moving off and turning left from junction, sometimes must checkback right, sometimes must checkback left? Why so confusing? So exactly when do you check left or right?

 

-When moving off a slope, one instructor told me just do your checkback and go. No need check blindspot? Another said must check blindspot as well? Again, sibei confusing.

 

-Stopping before turning into slope. If stop too far from the slope, kena penalise. Likewise, turning into slope too early also will get penalised. So where exactly to stop and when to start turning? As you can see it's all damn confusing to me.

 

Can anyone help me with the above questions?

 

1) signal 3 sec ahead

 

2) checkback is before u move off. Because u need to ensure that u can move off safely.

 

While blind spot is while u want to turn or filter into other lane. The result for blind spot is because there are area where your mirror cannot show, so those area that are not shown in your mirror is blind spot.

http://www.google.com.sg/imgres?imgurl=http://www.motorcyclebasics.com/images/content/blind21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.motorcyclebasics.com/blind-spots.html&h=500&w=364&tbnid=SjuPngWs1qkXoM:&docid=RMiCLc6exubPnM&hl=en-US&ei=2UAeVrbOEsWeugTI7pSACA&tbm=isch&ved=0CD8QMygbMBtqFQoTCPaej4jywcgCFUWPjgodSDcFgA

 

Hope u understand

 

 

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[gpang788]

 

Different instructors tell tell you different things can be a good thing. It can give you a wider perspective on the things you learn in your lessons.

 

Yes agreed - except when it causes you demerit points cos one instructor cannot agree with another (yes it happened at CDC!), then you have to really be careful.

 

Read my posting above for a better example of what I mean by blindspots and such can fail me.

[gpang788]

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2) checkback is before u move off. Because u need to ensure that u can move off safely.

 

While blind spot is while u want to turn or filter into other lane. The result for blind spot is because there are area where your mirror cannot show, so those area that are not shown in your mirror is blind spot.

http://www.google.com.sg/imgres?imgurl=http://www.motorcyclebasics.com/images/content/blind21.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.motorcyclebasics.com/blind-spots.html&h=500&w=364&tbnid=SjuPngWs1qkXoM:&docid=RMiCLc6exubPnM&hl=en-US&ei=2UAeVrbOEsWeugTI7pSACA&tbm=isch&ved=0CD8QMygbMBtqFQoTCPaej4jywcgCFUWPjgodSDcFgA

 

 

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Bro Samick, as I understand it (thanks to my confusing instructors) blindspot checking is not just for turning and filtering. You also need to check them before moving off as vehicles or pedestrians from your blindspots may suddenly appear in front of you as you move off.

 

Is this correct?

Edited October 14, 2015 by gpang788

[samick]

Bro I appreaciate your reply but can you please read my questions carefully before replying because your second answer doesn't correspond to my question.

 

Sure bro, but I think u should just understand what is checkback and blindspot. Not mixing them up.

 

Cheers

 

 

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[gpang788]

Sure bro, but I think u should just understand what is checkback and blindspot. Not mixing them up.

 

Cheers

 

 

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I do understand the difference. What I am not sure of is for e.g. when to checkback right or left?

[Am3thyst]

When you checkback, you are automatically checking your blindspot.

 

When moving straight, always checkback right.

 

When turning left from stationary position, check back left.

 

For eg, in BBDC, S Course.

 

1st bike before enter course, you check back LEFT, cos you need to make a left turn to enter the course.

 

2nd bike, cos you're moving straight to occupy the "vacancy" by the first bike, you check back RIGHT before you move.

 

Hope that helps..

[gpang788]

OK guys I've finally got it after clearing the confusion with 2 instructors over the course of pract 7.

 

 

When moving straight, always checkback right.

 

When turning left from stationary position, check back left.

 

 

CDC instructors' answer:

 

Check backs - When to check left / right?

 

1) If moving off beside kerb or chevron marking, always check back the other way. E.g. if kerb or chevron marking is on your right, always check back left and vice versa.

 

2) If moving off beside normal lane markings (single, broken lines etc..), always check back right. Simple.

 

3) With regards to checking back left if turning left from stationary - not sure about this. Will have to check with instructor again.

 

Can't believe the above two simple points confused so many people, including myself for so long.

 

Thanks for replying everyone even though some of your replies are off the mark to my questions. Still good to learn more things.

Edited October 22, 2015 by gpang788

[colinwk]

2B learner at BBDC here. Just failed my 1st try of 8.01 due to excessive points.

 

Two areas I seem to be unclear on

 

1) After the slope and on my way to the S course, I get dinged for failing to check the junction left right before proceeding. I have no problem admitting if I don't do it, but I do do it. Part of me thinks taking the evaluation at night, with my black helmet, the instructors have a harder time seeing if I do it.

 

(I'm 1st at the junction)

 

Light turn green > Check left, check right, check back on the right > proceed

 

Do I need to make a point of exaggerating my head turn left and right? How wide should I turn my head? (to the point of looking like check-back both left and right)?? Taking next attempt during the day so we'll see if that helps.

 

2) On the road course after the filter lane, should you change lane from 3 to 1 (to get to the u-turn) at 1 take in a diagonal lane with 1 blind spot check, or is it advisable to go from 3-2 and then 2-1, with multiple blind spot checks??

 

I feel confident with the technical aspects (plank, e-brake, s course, u turn), but wobble, wide turn, not obvious blind spot check, etc. seem to hurt my score.

 

Any advice to share?

[Genius]

1) do your checks slower.

 

2)Need to check your blind spot 2 times for lane changing. The stretch of road is quite long. Take your time. The tester also want to see the acceleration when lane changing

[idynamic]

Hi @colinwk

 

I passed 8.01 on first attempt and I concur with @Genius that indeed you have to do your checks slower. This is because sometimes the instructors may not be focusing on you and may be distracted. By the time the instructor look at you, you could have finished performing your checks, and thus be awarded those demerits.

 

For lane changing, I think it is more accurate to say after turn left, there is a merging lane (signal, check mirror and check blind spot before merging) then you are currently in lane 3. Then from 3-2 and 2-1 as per what Genius said above. Be sure that when you are changing lane, there MUST BE sufficient acceleration or you will be given demerit again!

 

Hope you clear your 8.01 soon, jiayou!

 

Your other concerns:

Wobble could be due to a lot of reasons. Posture, braking techniques, etc. I suggest pressing the rear brake while you maintain constant throttle as you decelerate (lol Im not sure if this is the way to describe it but basically it's like S course style) and as you are about to come to a stop, put your left leg out so that you automatically will "fall" to the left side.

 

For wide turnings, it is an eyesight problem. You have to look into the direction you want to go, not where the motorcycle is going. This is quite simple to say through words but in actual fact quite difficult to perform on a moving object. Let me try to break it down. If you are steering a bicycle to the left, do you look left and turn OR do you as the bike turn left 1cm, you look left 1 cm and continue doing this until the turn is complete? Look at this video and see how the guy is looking completely in the direction of the turn/bend/u-turn whatever turn.

 

I haven't passed my 2B lol but I hope this helps!

[lkm]

Hi lkm! Which stage you at now?

 

Hey! Sorry - missed your message earlier. I'm now at 4.01. Signed up on 1Oct.

[NikBell]

always check back away from kerb, so if there is kerb on right side, check back left, if not is check back right.

 

if turning left and you are first bike, check back right, then check left blindspot. if you are second/third bike, check back right, once you reach turning point then check left blindspot. if you are turning right, check back right before moving off will suffice, dont need check right blindspot, because when you are checking back right, you already check your blindspot liao.

 

hope this helps, just passed my tp last week at cdc hehehe, went for revisions like crazy

[lkm]

always check back away from kerb, so if there is kerb on right side, check back left, if not is check back right.

 

if turning left and you are first bike, check back right, then check left blindspot. if you are second/third bike, check back right, once you reach turning point then check left blindspot. if you are turning right, check back right before moving off will suffice, dont need check right blindspot, because when you are checking back right, you already check your blindspot liao.

 

hope this helps, just passed my tp last week at cdc hehehe, went for revisions like crazy

 

Congrats!!! I'm still waiting to clear my RTT before I can book TP....

[imt204]

Just went for my lesson 4 yesterday, when doing the plank, I full release the clutch n managed to go through the plank, but the instructor stop me and say cannot release full clutch, is this true?

[theSkareqro]

Just went for my lesson 4 yesterday, when doing the plank, I full release the clutch n managed to go through the plank, but the instructor stop me and say cannot release full clutch, is this true?

 

Not cannot but it will be more difficult cos the torque at gear 1 will make it more jerky. I suggest to hold clutch at biting point all the way.

 

TP in 2 more weeks @ 11 Nov. Already failed once with 16 points + IF. Hope to pass it this time.

[Genius]

Yea. either u clutch in more or biting point.

[lkm]

Just went for my lesson 4 yesterday, when doing the plank, I full release the clutch n managed to go through the plank, but the instructor stop me and say cannot release full clutch, is this true?

 

Even if you fully released your clutch, leave your fingers on the clutch levers lah... can't tell whether biting point or fully released mah... hahah

[Neolithix]

Hi guys. Getting my 2B soon. Was browsing around for a sporty looking 2B bike or something along the lines of a naked bikes... Is it worth to get an expensive 2B bike then sell off and get a 2A bike later on? Will the shops take it in with higher price?

Assuming I go with installments...

 

Need advise...

[Neolithix]

I just booked Revision and lesson 5 for next Sunday at SSDC... 2nd attempt after 2 months break...

[pufferfis]

Hi guys. Getting my 2B soon. Was browsing around for a sporty looking 2B bike or something along the lines of a naked bikes... Is it worth to get an expensive 2B bike then sell off and get a 2A bike later on? Will the shops take it in with higher price?

Assuming I go with installments...

 

Need advise...

 

how about you save up and pay the bike full cash?.set aside 500 a month and you would get 5000 in 10 months which is more than enough to buy even a class 2 bike.....that way you wont have to have a headache of how to sell off your bike later on....

[Genius]

Just don buy a first hand bike will do.. Cus after ride for a year, if u wan to sell, the bike will depreciate alot, about 2-3k. If u buy a second hand bike, the bike prob depreciate only 1k.

[idynamic]

Hey! Sorry - missed your message earlier. I'm now at 4.01. Signed up on 1Oct.

 

No worries! I passed my TP on first attempt on 3 Nov earlier this week. I wish you the best in your 2B journey! Be safe, ride safe - even in circuit.

[lililianan]

Hello guys! I am back. Went on a break and hiatus cause of exams. Well, still at lesson 4 and I'm going to go for revisions as much as I can. Lost confidence after quite a bad skid during an RC previously. Anybody doing their lesson 4 or RC currently at ssdc?

 

 

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[lililianan]

Oh and any other female learners here?

 

 

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