Non PSB approved helmets

[Darkness19]

i hav a ff evo helment without the PSB sticker,so far use never get caught,cause usually those tp will only see ur bike and dun bother much abt ur helment as long as u wear one on ur head

[m3ng]

hey what happen if the PSB sticker fade off ? cuz 2 of my helmets the sticker faded off liao..does this mean its useless liao ??

[Oldun]

I have to import all my helmets as no-one imports XXXL sizes into Singapore

 

(waits for obligatory cracks about fathead etc. to subside :-))) )

 

I think as long as we wear a reputable helmet that looks substantial and well cared for and the strap is fastened then no-one is going to pull us over just for a helmet sticker inspection. My 2 cents worth...

[OhMiGosh]

nowadays ROV and TP like cant be bothered with the UNAPPROVED helmets liao leh.. but of cus *touchwood* if u were to get into an accident.. and the insurance co somehow found out u using unapproved helmet.. then ur claim GG liao..

 

anyway why compromise on ur own safety by unsing unapproved helmet.. but of cus those high end one dont say la..

[hachi]

Originally posted by jkaiser@March 28, 2006 06:19 pm

isn't DOT's standards ard the same as PSB? it's Snell who really whack the helmets rite?

There are really no bad standard around. Due to the nature of snell testing, these helmets can transmit higher Gs to the head as snell approved lips need harder outer shell that survive the double impacts test but in real world there unlikely to hit the same area twice.

It also make sense that FF still offer the best protection as there is not a single open face helmet with snell approved. And there is finding about 16% of the riders will hit face first.

I would say u are fine with any FF with DOT,ECE or snell approve.

I have sold off my open face in 2003 when I passed my cl2,enough said as least a flip up when I ride....

The only BS standard I think is the local PXX, to mi is another money making gimmick.

Those who think $35 open face PXX approved can save ur head, I would say the rd is harder than u think...I have tried it and I knew.....

[hachi]

Originally posted by winter@March 13, 2006 07:57 pm

Has one HJC and it's not PSB approved but is thinking of getting another one. What will happen if kena caught?

I have been using HJC for 5 years no a problem for mi, I think they offer the best value for money. In fact they are the no.1 seller in USA. Do read their reviews and come out a

opinion of your own...

 

http://www.webbikeworld.com/Reviewed-motor...ts/Products.htm

[Arcfire]

Originally posted by OhMiGosh@May 08, 2007 08:07 pm

nowadays ROV and TP like cant be bothered with the UNAPPROVED helmets liao leh.. but of cus *touchwood* if u were to get into an accident.. and the insurance co somehow found out u using unapproved helmet.. then ur claim GG liao..

 

anyway why compromise on ur own safety by unsing unapproved helmet.. but of cus those high end one dont say la..

Thats another grey area that has never been clearly answered. Its almost like an urban myth.

 

To say that as long as you are wearing a non-approved helmet, you claim will be rejected is pretty unreasonable.

 

If you were to have broken your leg or arms while being involved in an accident and wearing a non-approved helmet, will the claim be entertained if they know that the helmet is non approved? Obviously, the injuries had absolutely no correlation to the helmet you are wearing but is it a valid reason for rejecting the claim? I hope not.

 

If you had suffered head injuries in an accident while wearing a non-approved helmet and the insurers know this, again, would the claim be entertained? In this situation, if they were to reject the claim, it would be reasonable but is there such a clause in any motor insurance?

 

Since in most situations, claims are made against the opp party and you have no idea of the clauses that are found in the insurance of the other party.

This is unlike drink driving where its generally known that claims against a drink-driver/rider will not be entertained.

 

Can anyone clarify this point?

[Seraph]

Been reading thru the thread. Its all very confusing tho. But just itchy to add that the best course of action is to avoid accidents at all cost. Which means being alert on the road and riding safely. Its the least we could to to protect ourselves.

 

Arai or MHR. DOT or Snell. PSB or unapproved. I would rather not test out any claims about helmet safety personally.

 

But of course a good FF helmet does improve your chances of survival and preventing disfigurement rather than a half-cap or skid lid. But even so, wearing a appropriate helmet is still about the rider's responsibility to his own safety.

[PokkaMan]

A helmet is the last line of safety net....try not to use it in any way...hahaha

 

I personally tink PSB is a "Sticker manufacturer" no offense. Simple logic to mi,

Ah boy open face Nova is approved but not a Arai or HJC...there must be a BIG

PROBLEM with whoever testing it. The problem dun lie in the helmet but rather the "system" testing it??? Do you guys agreed?

 

Mass approach to question the authority abt the credential of the certifying organization should be in place. If i use a PSB certified helmet for 5yrs, after that the stupid sticker peels off does it means that the helmet is Not Psb approved? If my previous qns dun stand, does it means we can "purchase" a new Psb approved "sticker" after it is wear off???

 

hahaha...there must be sh*t in our food...else how does a normal person/people/organisation come out with this sort of approval system

[c4ble]

I personally tink PSB is a "Sticker manufacturer" no offense. Simple logic to mi,

Ah boy open face Nova is approved but not a Arai or HJC...there must be a BIG

PROBLEM with whoever testing it. The problem dun lie in the helmet but rather the "system" testing it??? Do you guys agreed?

 

Arai / HJC are "not" approved because it's not cost effective to have them tested unless they import hundreds of each model. Another problem is that many of the imported helmets eg nolan, shoei do not come with D-ring straps.

[Arcfire]

Arai / HJC are "not" approved because it's not cost effective to have them tested unless they import hundreds of each model. Another problem is that many of the imported helmets eg nolan, shoei do not come with D-ring straps.

 

Precisely. Not being tested or approved does not mean its any less safer than those that are approved. It is the high cost of approval that makes importers not send them for approval. But look at it this way, if the gov really meant to make things more safe for users then y the high cost for testing them? Its obvious that the approval testing was never a means of safety approval for use but rather for the benefit of earning more $$.

[binkaz]

just a question... non-double d ring straps are not approved is it? TP can fine me is it?

[yenyenpark]

That's often quoted but actually quite simplistic.

 

I think my head is worth $10,000... then how? stud my helmet with diamonds?

 

I had a long long discussion on this 3 years ago on this forum. Maybe someone can dig it up.

 

Expensive= Good, is not always true.

 

Example A: Remember, the top helmet companies spend million of dollars sponsoring racers, and NOT ONE CENT of that money goes into making your helmet better, BUT THE COST OF THE SPONSORSHIP is included in the price of your helmet.

 

Example B: A painted "pattern" helmet can cost $200 more than a plain helmet of the same model. Does that extra $200 make the helmet better? Answer is a flat "NO".

 

There is in fact one study that says mid priced helmets may be better than the most expensive ones. Its a long technical read, but if you can plough through it, it will give you a different view.

 

 

 

The other helmets in the test included brand names like shark, AGV, Suomy and Arai.

 

http://motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/hatz/

 

i think those like rossi design helmet.. sell more ex bcos sponsorship lor.. just like jordan air shoes..

 

anyway, i still believe, snell or dot approed helmet r worth to buy.. arai helmet r expensive bcos all of them snell approved.. they really set the standard so high.. i really wanna giv them thumb up for insist of snell approved.. although i really haben own 1 bcos of its price..

 

more expensive = better certainly not true.. but better = more agency certified, it will be true in some extends..

 

if i were to stopped or summoned by TP for non PSB sticker but snell or dot approved, i will sure argue.. lol...

[Cool79]

i remember some instructor said before.

 

If you think your head worth 50 dollars, then you buy a 50 dollars helmet.

If you think your head worth 500 dollars, then you buy a 500 dollars helmet.

 

From safety purposes la.. our head most impt right? i'm going to buy a HJC FF soon.. love my jaws and teeths. dun wanna lose them if i do get into accidents.

 

then ur face worth 200 onli

lol

[skazuz]

Arai / HJC are "not" approved because it's not cost effective to have them tested unless they import hundreds of each model. Another problem is that many of the imported helmets eg nolan, shoei do not come with D-ring straps.

 

but my shoei x-11 no psb sticker comes wih the double-D ring...

 

cheers

skazuz

[mi5trooper]

basically wearing a non psb approve sticker helmet will get fine by tp/rov (if they decide to stop you anytime). is this statement correct?

 

can any brothers/sister that work in tp/rov/or related help answer this question?

 

What is the punishment? (how much the fine? any demrit point? what happen to the helmet? etc)

 

just give feedback according to the law book will be a good advice to us too.

 

is half cap consider illegal too?

[Laguna11]

been wearing for awhile nv tio b4

[Arcfire]

basically wearing a non psb approve sticker helmet will get fine by tp/rov (if they decide to stop you anytime). is this statement correct?

 

can any brothers/sister that work in tp/rov/or related help answer this question?

 

What is the punishment? (how much the fine? any demrit point? what happen to the helmet? etc)

 

just give feedback according to the law book will be a good advice to us too.

 

is half cap consider illegal too?

 

This statement is something nobody can answer. You send letter to tp dept they tell you everything oso cannot or go one big round to tell you that they will not tell you. Y? Because they want to have the freedom of playing around with words.

 

Just like lane splitting. Its not explicitly illegal but the can still slap you with a summon when you lane split if they deem you to be dangerous in your actions. So is lane splitting illegal? i can say yes or no.

 

Same thing here. You ask tp they refer you to psb, you ask psb they refer you to insurance companies, you ask insurance companies, they refer you to tp or don't reply you. I email NTUC insurance about the psb sticker thing but nobody even returned my email to tell me anything. So i don't think anyone can give you a definite answer.

[coolcat]

This statement is something nobody can answer. You send letter to tp dept they tell you everything oso cannot or go one big round to tell you that they will not tell you. Y? Because they want to have the freedom of playing around with words.

...

So i don't think anyone can give you a definite answer.

 

Answer is yes, non-PSB helmets are illegal. I dunno whether anyone had tried writing in, but I thought that it is clear that using non-PSB helmets is illegal. Getting stopped or not pretty much depends on your luck. Bear with me:

 

Road Traffic Act:

 

Drivers and pillion riders of motor cycles to wear protective helmets

74. —(1) Every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle shall wear securely on his head a protective helmet of a type approved by the Minister.

 

(3) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $200.

 

Road Traffic (Approved Helmets) Notification

 

For the purposes of section 74 (1) and (2) of the Act, the protective helmet —

 

(a) to be worn on the head of every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle ... shall be of the following type approved by the Minister for Home Affairs:

 

(i) it shall conform to the requirements of the Singapore Standard Specification S.S. 9:1992 (UDC 614.891: 629.047: 687.4: 629.113) as published by the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board; and

 

(ii) it shall bear the PSB CERTIFICATION MARK, or the PSB BATCH INSPECTED label, of the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board unless the mark or the label is worn out through wear and tear.

 

The law is clear.

 

Cheers

 

Cat

[undead]

 

(ii) it shall bear the PSB CERTIFICATION MARK, or the PSB BATCH INSPECTED label, of the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board unless the mark or the label is worn out through wear and tear.

 

Cat

 

 

Interesting.... Someone can simply say that their label has been worn out ....

[mi5trooper]

the underwriter is good.

 

most important of all. thank you for tell us this rules.

 

now we just have to think of a counter plan to counter this rule. hehehe....

joking only.

 

Answer is yes, non-PSB helmets are illegal. I dunno whether anyone had tried writing in, but I thought that it is clear that using non-PSB helmets is illegal. Getting stopped or not pretty much depends on your luck. Bear with me:

 

Road Traffic Act:

 

Drivers and pillion riders of motor cycles to wear protective helmets

74. —(1) Every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle shall wear securely on his head a protective helmet of a type approved by the Minister.

 

(3) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $200.

 

Road Traffic (Approved Helmets) Notification

 

For the purposes of section 74 (1) and (2) of the Act, the protective helmet —

 

(a) to be worn on the head of every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle ... shall be of the following type approved by the Minister for Home Affairs:

 

(i) it shall conform to the requirements of the Singapore Standard Specification S.S. 9:1992 (UDC 614.891: 629.047: 687.4: 629.113) as published by the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board; and

 

(ii) it shall bear the PSB CERTIFICATION MARK, or the PSB BATCH INSPECTED label, of the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board unless the mark or the label is worn out through wear and tear.

 

The law is clear.

 

Cheers

 

Cat

[Arcfire]

Answer is yes, non-PSB helmets are illegal. I dunno whether anyone had tried writing in, but I thought that it is clear that using non-PSB helmets is illegal. Getting stopped or not pretty much depends on your luck. Bear with me:

 

Road Traffic Act:

 

Drivers and pillion riders of motor cycles to wear protective helmets

74. —(1) Every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle shall wear securely on his head a protective helmet of a type approved by the Minister.

 

(3) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $200.

 

Road Traffic (Approved Helmets) Notification

 

For the purposes of section 74 (1) and (2) of the Act, the protective helmet —

 

(a) to be worn on the head of every person who drives or is carried on a motor cycle ... shall be of the following type approved by the Minister for Home Affairs:

 

(i) it shall conform to the requirements of the Singapore Standard Specification S.S. 9:1992 (UDC 614.891: 629.047: 687.4: 629.113) as published by the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board; and

 

(ii) it shall bear the PSB CERTIFICATION MARK, or the PSB BATCH INSPECTED label, of the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board unless the mark or the label is worn out through wear and tear.

 

The law is clear.

 

Cheers

 

Cat

 

Thanks for letting me know.

 

Any idea about claims for injuries arising from use of non-approved helmets?

[coolcat]

Any idea about claims for injuries arising from use of non-approved helmets?

 

I dunno about insurance companies; but I've never seen any mention in police reports or anywhere whether rider was wearing a PSB approved helmet. I reckon that not wearing any helmet would affect insurance claims, like not wearing a seat-belt; but generally insurance would pay so long as the rider is wearing a helmet.

 

Touch wood, I've never found out the hard way, but ask fellow riders here whether when they were involved in an accident, did anyone ask them their helmets approved or not, chances are that no one would have asked them.

 

IMHO, half-caps are altogether another story ... keke

 

Cheers

 

Cat

[Strong Eagle]

(ii) it shall bear the PSB CERTIFICATION MARK, or the PSB BATCH INSPECTED label, of the Singapore Productivity and Standards Board unless the mark or the label is worn out through wear and tear.

 

Seems to me that this section of the law provides a clear 'out'. I have an Arai with no PSB sticker. Yet, I know that they can be bought with a PSB sticker. So, should I ever be stopped, I seem to have an absolute defense that the sticker came off.

 

Similarly, unless an insurance company could prove that a non-PSB helmet did not meet the specifications (no D-Ring) for example, the simple lack of a sticker would not disqualify the helmet because it would simply be missing.

[Arcfire]

Seems to me that this section of the law provides a clear 'out'. I have an Arai with no PSB sticker. Yet, I know that they can be bought with a PSB sticker. So, should I ever be stopped, I seem to have an absolute defense that the sticker came off.

 

Similarly, unless an insurance company could prove that a non-PSB helmet did not meet the specifications (no D-Ring) for example, the simple lack of a sticker would not disqualify the helmet because it would simply be missing.

 

Sounds logical and fair enuff.