Newbie Sharing Session - For New Faces & First Timers Only

[airtime]

hi bro!

 

no worries abt it!

[hsphalt]

Let me remind to the new riders out there..., my Newbie Tutorial is not a training session

pls note the term-training....in this training...badly worn tires.

 

the term - tutorail is a period of teaching (oxford english dictionary)

 

proper education of bike safety - worn out tires - n riding techniques should be left to ppl who noe wat they r doing!

 

or is dis the case of the blind leading the blind?

 

irregardless of off road racing or off road riding,riders should seek proper instruction. if u 1 2 improve yrself there is not shortcut. even at pro level racing,riders at dat level still seek proper instruction 2 help improve their riding.

juz my view on dis matter!

 

 

sorry if i have mislead anyone....blame it on my poor england(i got E8 twice for my O lvl)...haha...for the worned tired i should have said ' with 80% of thread left on my tires" btw i think i should clarify that my meaning of badly worned tire does not mean 'botak'...just think if really botak, do you guys think i could pop on the wet gound... and well as for the used of the word 'training" i apologise again as in the begining of thread had specific it's a 'tutorial'...another wrong useage of word(but to me tutorial=training for me lah...same to me..haha). anyway i thanks airtime for correcting my england again....juz abit sad that this was suppose to be a relax and casual comment....and i don't think i will write anymore for ppl to correct me again so think i better 'shut up' in future before i cause anymore misunderstandings (seems like i need to use PM more often)...

[airtime]

hi hsphalt,

 

nope,didn't have 2 correct yr english! its fine!

 

have a nice day!

[savage]

hi airtime,

 

u say that "juz like y there is licence driving instructors and back seat drivers..."i do agree that riders need to go thru proper training. There are factory riders and privateers. maybe you can enlighten me where privateers learn their skills from. Bro isk did the newbie tutorial out of his own time and effort. i feel that he is doing a good job conducting the tutorials.

[airtime]

hi airtime,

 

u say that "juz like y there is licence driving instructors and back seat drivers..."i do agree that riders need to go thru proper training. There are factory riders and privateers. maybe you can enlighten me where privateers learn their skills from. Bro isk did the newbie tutorial out of his own time and effort. i feel that he is doing a good job conducting the tutorials.

 

most if not all privateers learn their skills from mx schools from a young age. since their amateur days. cos the parents and ppl there know value of proper instruction for their kids and themselves.

 

well,any1 can spend some time on dat! but point is dat qualify 2 impart the proper knowledge meant for the level of riding.

if we wanna improve the overall off road riding standard here in s.g we would need proper ppl 2 teach the proper things n guidance 4 the long term growth of the sport of off road riding.

[binkaz]

i believe privateers dun immediately start out by gg to mx school.. most prob at a young age, their dad/uncle brings them out riding.. then when they develop the interest, they sign up for the mx school.. dun think you will say they cannot bring the kids out for riding cuz they are not certified and thus they might teach the kids the wrong technique right?

 

bro isk is merely introducing the sport to pple with no offroad experience.. not to the point of training or what.. sth like a mentor? after they develop the interest, then maybe they could look for off-road riding schools?

[airtime]

hi binkaz,

 

dad n kids do go n learn how 2 ride,yes! n by 6/7 yrs old they will have attended their 1st mx school but 2 be introduce n training techniques being taught is 2 different matters. whatever it is,i have said my piece.

 

so i do hope dat whatever newbie sharing or wat name programs will be conducted safely. remember,all it takes is a accident 2 push the sport back or 4 govt 2 shut the riding area down.

 

making it more difficult 4 organizations 2 get approval 2 have local races.

[binkaz]

actually from the driving centres, wrong techniques have been taught alr.. eg 4 fingers on levers.. haha..

 

anyway.. these sharing sessions should not include do wheelies or wad ever stunts la... correct way to balance the bike, where to shift the weight when turning or clearing obstacles, correct standing posture.. I've not attended bro isk tutorials, so I can't say much bout what is taught..

[bro_isk]

hi,

 

the videos were interesting! :goodluck:

 

You say, interesting.....

 

hi!

well since the topic of riding tutorails etc came up! i tot dat dis will be the best place 2 add dat the proper training techiques will be taught n the safety of the trainee will always be taken in2 consideration. i was shocked 2 see the videos on the donuts! yes,nothing happened. but there was no safety precautions taken. the bikes were 2 close n wat would have happened if 1 of the riders were 2 lose control? were the proper safety gear being use? the guys were also lucky 2 have escaped with juz a laugh! pause,n tink 4 a moment! if they were 2 injured their knee,torn ligament.....dat kind of injury lasts a life time!

 

so proper training techniques with proper coaching makes a better,safer rider who will enjoy the sport of dirt riding 4 years!

 

In another thread, you criticise

[airtime]

You say, interesting.....

 

 

 

In another thread, you criticise

 

yes,interesting 2 see dat he walk away with a laugh n not limping away from a torn ligament. but at dat point in time,i did not wanna comment on it here on how much risk 2 unwarranted injury the rider was exposed 2.

it was mentioned in the other thread cos it was more appropriate 2 explain the difference there.

[Narada]

IMHO, its up to the rider's personal choice.

 

After all, we can all have government schools but there are still kids who go through home schooling. Its only that they also have to go thru the formal important exams like GCE O Levels etc but otherwise how they prepare for it, its up to them. Difference here, there has never been any offiicial 'exam' to certify a srambler rider here in the first place. So technically, we are all free to' roam'.

 

My point is, if anyone has a real problem with any rider organizing any activities, it would be more gracious of that person to approach him/her personally. Having insinuating online 'banterings' will not only reflect badly on 1 rider but on the rest of the riders.

 

You can't stop people from doing what they want, where to go, who to ride with. No doubt, we are all waiting for that 'school' to materialize, but in the mean time, does this mean that we are just to stand by and do nothing to learn and improve ourselves? We should be proud of those who never give up, or are taking their initiatives to keep on learning and improving.

 

Frankly, at least there is a sincere individual out there who is willing to share. Sure, we are all not experts like some other people who have the luxury to get specially trained and certified tutors to train them, but let's face it -

 

Scrambler riders are always the underdogs in the riding community when it comes to pursuing our sport.

 

Maybe not all of us can afford such luxury, if so then this sport really calls for a check on the riders' status quo. It wil no longer be a unifying sport, but rather a dividing one.

 

Understand the concern about government's not supporting us should anything were to happen. We all take risks in pursuing our passion. Frankly, anyone can regard their own riding day out as a training for themselves. Go ride trail in a group, also can say training. Why the emphasis on ownership?

 

If so many things are so illegal and all are adviced to refrain from participating, then we should also cry out banners to stop people from going on trail in the usual areas. Which I really doubt that NOT ONE single srambler rider who's into dirt has NOT gone for at all. Impossible to believe!

 

So maybe people should not be allowed to purchase off road bikes that are not approved on road as well. NOR should the sale of such bikes be allowed!

 

People can just post up any event but you can't stop the turnout if the response is good. Every rider has been highlighted that he/she is responsible for his/her own safety. Like mentioned, we can't stop people from doing stupid things. There are always those overly excited who may want to do EXTRA stunts and do silly things which will jeopardise others, but surely we can't put a dog's leash on them right. "You don't want to follow, up to you. But at least you've been informed."

 

Since doing such events or even posting them here seem to such a major issue, my suggestion to Bro Isk is not to post the next tutorials, (IF any) - to avoid any information to be misconstrued, misinterpreted and dissected unnecessarily.

 

I myself have attended almost all of his tutorials (even tho i'm not a 'new' newbie), sometimes as a stand by First Aider (YES, I am a certified and qualified First Aider, by the way). And so far, no major incident has occured except the usual wrong footings and falls of new riders. Of course, we all hope for the best outcome in any ride! I won't say that the 'lessons' are perfect, but frankly, it is not a strenuous activity at all to begin with. The pace of ride and 'lesson' are done leisurely. Maybe its the 'branding' of the ride that is also the problem then.

 

C'mon now, we are all still hoping for that school to materialize, but before that, we've got to support every single rider who still has the passion to keep up the sport, 'legally or not'. IF we were all to just sit and wait and be in the 'restriction zone', trust me, that passion will eventually die out and by the time the school is ready, people wil no longer be as interested anymore. Sure, we all can keep on quoting each other on this but it will only go nowhere.

 

Ride safe guys!

[nebulaz]

relax guys...we all have our own point of views on this matter..airtime just showing concern regarding safetywise during conducting these "newbie tutorials"...its a good thing...like narada said...its up to individuals to commit themselves if they still wana carrying on and take up the risks despite all the safety concern highlighted here...its the passion of dirtbiking prompt all of us into this mess..hehe....just be safe and considering all options b4 u commit on the next ride!! cheers ppl!!

[nat3lla]

IMHO, its up to the rider's personal choice.

 

After all, we can all have government schools but there are still kids who go through home schooling. Its only that they also have to go thru the formal important exams like GCE O Levels etc but otherwise how they prepare for it, its up to them. Difference here, there has never been any offiicial 'exam' to certify a srambler rider here in the first place. So technically, we are all free to' roam'.

 

My point is, if anyone has a real problem with any rider organizing any activities, it would be more gracious of that person to approach him/her personally. Having insinuating online 'banterings' will not only reflect badly on 1 rider but on the rest of the riders.

 

You can't stop people from doing what they want, where to go, who to ride with. No doubt, we are all waiting for that 'school' to materialize, but in the mean time, does this mean that we are just to stand by and do nothing to learn and improve ourselves? We should be proud of those who never give up, or are taking their initiatives to keep on learning and improving.

 

Frankly, at least there is a sincere individual out there who is willing to share. Sure, we are all not experts like some other people who have the luxury to get specially trained and certified tutors to train them, but let's face it -

 

Scrambler riders are always the underdogs in the riding community when it comes to pursuing our sport.

 

Maybe not all of us can afford such luxury, if so then this sport really calls for a check on the riders' status quo. It wil no longer be a unifying sport, but rather a dividing one.

 

Understand the concern about government's not supporting us should anything were to happen. We all take risks in pursuing our passion. Frankly, anyone can regard their own riding day out as a training for themselves. Go ride trail in a group, also can say training. Why the emphasis on ownership?

 

If so many things are so illegal and all are adviced to refrain from participating, then we should also cry out banners to stop people from going on trail in the usual areas. Which I really doubt that NOT ONE single srambler rider who's into dirt has NOT gone for at all. Impossible to believe!

 

So maybe people should not be allowed to purchase off road bikes that are not approved on road as well. NOR should the sale of such bikes be allowed!

 

People can just post up any event but you can't stop the turnout if the response is good. Every rider has been highlighted that he/she is responsible for his/her own safety. Like mentioned, we can't stop people from doing stupid things. There are always those overly excited who may want to do EXTRA stunts and do silly things which will jeopardise others, but surely we can't put a dog's leash on them right. "You don't want to follow, up to you. But at least you've been informed."

 

Since doing such events or even posting them here seem to such a major issue, my suggestion to Bro Isk is not to post the next tutorials, (IF any) - to avoid any information to be misconstrued, misinterpreted and dissected unnecessarily.

 

I myself have attended almost all of his tutorials (even tho i'm not a 'new' newbie), sometimes as a stand by First Aider (YES, I am a certified and qualified First Aider, by the way). And so far, no major incident has occured except the usual wrong footings and falls of new riders. Of course, we all hope for the best outcome in any ride! I won't say that the 'lessons' are perfect, but frankly, it is not a strenuous activity at all to begin with. The pace of ride and 'lesson' are done leisurely. Maybe its the 'branding' of the ride that is also the problem then.

 

C'mon now, we are all still hoping for that school to materialize, but before that, we've got to support every single rider who still has the passion to keep up the sport, 'legally or not'. IF we were all to just sit and wait and be in the 'restriction zone', trust me, that passion will eventually die out and by the time the school is ready, people wil no longer be as interested anymore. Sure, we all can keep on quoting each other on this but it will only go nowhere.

 

Ride safe guys!

 

WELL SAID..! IM WITH U..

 

FARAH WR

[reymund77]

First time tried jumping or to clear the step up in BKMX...got a "lao jiao in BKMX" told me...aiya...easy la...jus throttle all the way u can jump thru liao

 

End up, I clear the step up, but too much gas etc...I land wif a big "wheelie" and crash...lucky, I was not injured....

 

No pun intended but when u dunno much or anything, u can't tell wat is being taught to u is right or wrong (especially newbie or first timer)......just like when u dunno how bad is smoking when u young/newbie...u were taught to smoke, so call good frenz offer free ciggie to u...slowly, u just pick up all the bad habits....and when u r "smarter"...u wanna be good....u had all these "torning" bad habits to correct first before u can be good....just my 2 cents....

 

Just sharing my experience and sad to say, there's no proper MX school in sg (or even not possible wif such small riding population)....so we should not rule out "sharing" session among the more experience or senior riders with the newbie and forum and ad-hoc riding session wif them will help...imho

[bro_isk]

Mr Airtime,

 

I had just receive a msg frm Krankie via pm. Will take note on the matters highlighted by you.

 

Thank you for your concern.

 

Regards,

 

bro_isk

[supernov]

damn.. giving pointers to newbies can no longer be done? shmuck.. so next time someone asks me, how can i ride better, how to clear certain obstacles, what can i do to enjoy trail better, how not to fall too often; should i just tell, sorry.. cant help you there.. not a trained instructor.. go check out http://www.mssc.org.sg for help? what a load of crap!!

i think what isk is doing is just helping out the newbies in giving them pointers so that they can enjoy their trail rides better when they do decide to go for one... isk.. next time put it out as a riding session for newbies.

enuff said already.. to each his own..

[reymund77]

well..think again wif an open mindset....if a person think his well experienced enuff, can really ride well, knows the fundamental of riding etc....then sharing will be ideal...

 

But if the person think he can ride well (but infact his not riding tat well, dun really know the basic etc)...and ppl ask him..he teach the others wat he think his doing right..but infact its not proper....is it going to help?

 

Pointing fingers is not solving problem at all...sharing good and accurate info is crucial...but to share wrong info is damaging and certainly not going to help in anyway

[reymund77]

say ppl like Lazza, its great to see if he can contribute his time and help guide the local riders.....he might not be a certified trainer or maybe he already is one...but at least his experience shows he can ride properly...tats something at least....no pun intended for Bro ISK although I recognised his effort to organize trail, putting up signs at TM etc which is good.

 

Jus like a lecturer/teacher...if his not even qualified or gone thru university or NIE.....can he be a teacher and recognised to teach/guide our "newbie" / student????

 

Try to remain neutral and think of cause and effect of our action that will have on the newer riders......I certainly do not oppose to sharing quality and accurate info......sugguestion or I think ar, It shld be like tat I guess etc....will not help to bring up standard of our riders or improve everyone riding as rumours or bad **** kills every sports....it also might jus turn more ppl off then attract them into the sport...

[supernov]

its because i think with an open mind, is the reason why i decided to pen something down.. to me there's no point b*tch*ng here. what isk could be doing is since he organises trail rides, newbies might have approached him for pointers. so instead of telling the newbies 1 by 1, he just get them together so that he can share those pointers. perhaps he shouldnt have post it up here blatantly. i know his intentions are good. perhaps a pm to isk would have been a better way to express concerns with regards to what he's doing. its also good to see that a thread had been started to inform newbies where to get professional help. now.. thats thinking ahead without creating unnecessary potential conflict.

reymund77... just to dismiss some myth... unqualified teachers are allowed to teach in schools as relief teachers. of course a certain level of competency is required. good students do also impart their knowledge to strugglers...

[reymund77]

Ok la.....anyway, everyone jus wanted to help more ppl riding etc.....the more *****ing online is not going to help anyone...guess the message is pass across to each one and everyone got their points noted....guidance or advise by senior or better riders is certainly encourage and should not be limited or constraint...as long as accurate info is pass down and not misleading others to limit injuries

[hsphalt]

I feel that sharing experience for trail riding is good. As without someone at least to guide me,i wouldn't even have gone for my first. Why? can u imagine being a newbie not knowing anything and trail myself could be very dangerous? SO mostlikely I would never or give up. Now where to find someone so free to answer "stupid" questions like what I needed for trail?...the common answer will be either i kanna 'suan' by old birds or "go search the forum yourself...." (esp sometime ppl like me who don't even know what gears are needed and tyre pressure???)...then join those old bird organise trail and without skills, i might end up worst due to wanting to keep up with the more experience group and i need to chase them all the time and force to tackle obstacles which is out of my capability in order to keep up and not to end up alone or last in the jungle(or as a burden).....

 

i am really glad that there is someone really willing to share his experiences of the do and don't..nothing fanciful... everything shown was very elemental, i was surprise that even it even went down to the very basic like why we need a long sleeve,mx boots googles and the of the beak of scrambler helmet etc...to be frank i really dunno initially (i can roughly guess) and these knowledge to some might be a stupid question if i ask them in the forum...I guess sometimes ppl tend to forget they were newbies once and all the problems face...(btw i am just curious if all the singapore riders that raced in msia went to some school for cert or qualification???...if not, who trained them??) Sometimes I really envy the ang mo who can start of their 'training' as early as 6-7...by the time they are in their teens they are already very good...

 

...and yes l would really love to have a SCHOOL to go learn all these things and i am certainly willing to pay.... motorsports SCHOOL had always been an 'AKAN DATANG' rumor untill recently the gamen start to at least look into it ABIT by at least approving a track then we see some light( think they finally understand this is big business/revenue...thanks to F1)...i still remember when in my early twenties I wanted to go Bike racing, then car (I have all the tools but...knowledge 0)....but where's the school?...anyway after all these hooha, seems like i will be one of the last batches of newbies to enjoy the knowledge sharing...

 

just sharing my thoughts after seeing so much postings...(pardon my english..so can correct me but dun flame me )

[bubble5]

Dear Airtime, lets not beat around the bush. I just signed on yesterday and quickly realised that you are 44 yr old, yet immature have poor communication and EQ skills. Every comment or post is likely to be patronising, self serving or downright condescending. I see that even in the MSSC website.

 

One post where you expect casual riders wearing riding gear to race or to "stop pretending" was truly unbelievable.

 

Bro.Isk is passing on knowledge to newbies. Newbies generally are apprehensive of approaching formal organisations such as MSSC or a formal course where money is required. Such lessons help break the ice and give them confidence. It also tells them there is more to it. In terms of safety, an informal lesson by Bro Isk is better or someone who does it by himself and gets hurt. This is not advanced stuff. If we want the riding community to grow and support the activities, we need to reach out rather than put them off.

 

I wonder how the first guy got certified in the first place.

 

If you touting for MSSC, be frank or pay the rates and be gentleman. MSSC needs to talk to this guy as every other comment is tarnishing its image. He might not realise it so those who are close to him need to tell him.

 

To others in this forum: You need to be frank and assertive to such actions. This guy has a track record longer than my arm in this forum. No need to write a long story to put your message across. Nothing abusive, just your frank comments. Only take the diplomatic route for those who commit them occasionally or for the first timers.

[terri_one]

In every sports, there are helpful souls out there who are willing to share. Its best to take it with a pinch of salt, even if he is a well-qualified trainer with loads of experiences and trophies. For every individual is different and its up to the individual to modify/tune the info to suit his/her styles.

 

Having said that, we should not discourage the opportunities to share/guide but to encourage it.

 

We should do what is necessary to grow the sport, not suppress it.

 

Already the motorcycling fraternity is so small. To take actions that suppresses the sport will only reduce the sport to Ground Zero. Its best for everyone to work together to grow the sport, so we can enjoy it more; then to select websites and track days to minimise the other group.

[zgravity93]

Bro Isk intension is to contribute to our riding community by sharing some of his knowledge and time. Airtime highlighting his concerns. And if i am not wrong, if Bro Isk already mentioned in his last posting that if someone already helped to pass airtime's concerns to him...

 

"Mr Airtime,

 

I had just receive a msg frm Krankie via pm. Will take note on the matters highlighted by you.

 

Thank you for your concern.

 

Regards,

 

bro_isk"

 

Why not we just give it a rest and see what they may have for us? Don't get too personal. I see both of them trying to contribute to our community, what do you guys see?

 

As i still feel that msgs are not easily expressed in words, please feel free to contact me via mobile 93 888 993 if you have any queries for me, an old retired rider. I may not knw all the things, but i will sure share with you what i knw.

 

Cheers,

 

Ray

[bubble5]

Why not we just give it a rest and see what they may have for us? Don't get too personal. I see both of them trying to contribute to our community, what do you guys see?

 

As i still feel that msgs are not easily expressed in words, please feel free to contact me via mobile 93 888 993 if you have any queries for me, an old retired rider. I may not knw all the things, but i will sure share with you what i knw.Cheers,

Ray

 

Dear Ray, this is why matters like this get dragged on for months and years.

 

With messages like that, Airtime will continue to think that he is in the right. PMing means discussion are held privately and no in this thread seems to be any wiser. Why not be transparent and let people give their views. Just be frank and honest.

 

Just look at your sentence that I underlined. Its appears to be an attempt to be popular and wise but not in anyway helpful to anyone including Airtime who needs help and guidance. A little tact, courtesy and consideration for others goes a long way.