helmet safety

[Silent Hunter]

Actually in my opinion, that sticker doesn't make a diff.

 

I bought my Rjay Flip-up helmet without sticker, 2 months later, that model of helmet was sent for PSB approval, (obviously pass one lor) now my model of helmet got sticker, so does it make it safer because of that sticker???

 

No way lor! That helmet is still the same helmet, with or without sticker.

 

I am wearing the 1st batch of helmets that was shipped in before the test, and has no sticker because I already knew that the standards set by SNELL and DOT are already PSB or better.

 

So buy and wear lor.

 

Like my instructor once said.

You think your head worth $30 buy $30 helmet lor.

You think you head worth $500 buy $500 helmet lor.

 

Actually what he says makes sense mah, last time all Full Face helmet also illegal in Singapore...

But now I ask you which one safer.

Full Face with no stick or open face with sticker?

[Baphomet]

  Raptor said:

Thats why I wish those idiots in PSB can understand that.

 

Just because they did not send their high end expensive helmets for testing... it should not be taken that the helmets will not pass their PSB (ptui!!) standards and therefore deemed illegal coz they have our safety in mind. (ptui again!!!).

 

Typical of them to condemn all helmets as not up to their specs... basically applying their prehistoric law that everyone is guilty unless proven innocent.

 

The truth is... everyone should be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

 

I have yet to hear of a helmet that passed the SNELL Foundation, DOT or European safety standards failing our PSB (ptui again) standards.

 

 

:thumb: Cant agree more

[contrarian]

To all of those who put so much faith in DOT standards, you would do well to at least know what the label is about.

 

There is no batch testing requirement. There is no "testing" or "certification" by DOT - in other words there is no "passing of DOT standards" other than purely based on trust in the manufacturer.

After they have been put for sale, only a few helmets get randomly tested each year - You can see the test results here:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/comply/fmvss218/

 

This is the result of a system that requires no batch testing (unlike ECE 22.05). Do yourself a favour and stop mentioning "passing DOT standards" when there is no meaningful enforcement.

[contrarian]

  Raptor said:

Typical of them to condemn all helmets as not up to their specs... basically applying their prehistoric law that everyone is guilty unless proven innocent.

 

The truth is... everyone should be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

 

Right, and while we're at it, AVA should applying their prehistoric law and stop testing all vegetables for sale in Singapore for food safety, because we should rely on the producer's good faith. BCA should stop testing and certifying lifts yearly. SPRING should stop testing electrical appliances before they are sold. We'll all be so much better off!

[Baphomet]

  contrarian said:

Right, and while we're at it, AVA should applying their prehistoric law and stop testing all vegetables for sale in Singapore for food safety, because we should rely on the producer's good faith. BCA should stop testing and certifying lifts yearly. SPRING should stop testing electrical appliances before they are sold. We'll all be so much better off!

 

hey cool it man. u r being extreme..

[Metal Gear]

  contrarian said:

Right, and while we're at it, AVA should applying their prehistoric law and stop testing all vegetables for sale in Singapore for food safety, because we should rely on the producer's good faith. BCA should stop testing and certifying lifts yearly. SPRING should stop testing electrical appliances before they are sold. We'll all be so much better off!

Unlike the other authoritative regulators that you've mentioned, who constantly update their regulations and processes in accordance with the times, PSB is stuck in 1st gear and refuses to actually do something about this sticker-approval situation. It has been for some time.

 

That PSB sticker is needed in cases of legalities but that doesn't mean that a helmet without that sticker is bad by default. We riders like variety and we are limited by the fact that the helmets that we like might not have that damn PSB-approved sticker but are known to be dependable based on the approval from other nations.

[Raptor]

  Arin said:

Yeah... Just got my summon letter from TP 2 days ago... Haizz...

 

For wearing a non-PSB approved helmet?

 

How much was the fine?

[Raptor]

Double post. Sorry.

[cyben76]

  Silent Hunter said:

Actually what he says makes sense mah, last time all Full Face helmet also illegal in Singapore...

 

Last time full face illegal not because of safety reasons... Just to stop criminals from wearing full face helmet in robbery.. There were high rates of snatch theft and bank robbery at that time where culprits wear full face... so easiest way to stop such robbery is to ban full face....

[Arin]

  Raptor said:

For wearing a non-PSB approved helmet?

 

How much was the fine?

 

$50 bux

I might as well use that $50 bux to buy a PSB helmet.

[Raptor]

  Arin said:

$50 bux

I might as well use that $50 bux to buy a PSB helmet.

 

Like some will say... money can always earn back as long as you are alive... but if you were wearing one of these $50 PSB approved ones... dunno if can survive the impact of an accident.

[ShahZuL]

my relative got into an accident few months ago, and the crash broke the visor into pieces, needless to say, his face got some cuts, and abrasions on his chin area...seeing how his face got injured made me a bit scared wearing helmets with visors... and i myself got into an accident last NOv, wearing a scram full-face(with peak), i remember hitting the ground face first, and the part dat saved my face, to me, was the mouth-piece & the peak. i imagine if i wasn't wearing my full-face, think my mouth/lips would require some stitching.. ouch!

[Arin]

  Raptor said:

Like some will say... money can always earn back as long as you are alive... but if you were wearing one of these $50 PSB approved ones... dunno if can survive the impact of an accident.

 

Im still wearing my Snell/Dot Approved helmet

[Raptor]

  ShahZuL said:

my relative got into an accident few months ago, and the crash broke the visor into pieces, needless to say, his face got some cuts, and abrasions on his chin area...seeing how his face got injured made me a bit scared wearing helmets with visors... and i myself got into an accident last NOv, wearing a scram full-face(with peak), i remember hitting the ground face first, and the part dat saved my face, to me, was the mouth-piece & the peak. i imagine if i wasn't wearing my full-face, think my mouth/lips would require some stitching.. ouch!

 

Just don't be like my friend.. all the front teeth gone, lips and chin requiring multiple stitches and scarred for life.. now people think he is hare lipped even though he is not... and he wasn't even going fast.

 

Lowsided becoz of diesel while travelling at 40 KMH, turning from main road to side road.

 

So the excuse for not wearing a full face helmet becoz the bike cannot hit 150 KMH top speed is a load of crap. Even the slowest motorcycle can exceed 40 KMH.

 

Think about it.... especially those of you who think you look funny wearing a full face helmet on a 2B bike.

[contrarian]

  Raptor said:

Just don't be like my friend.. all the front teeth gone, lips and chin requiring multiple stitches and scarred for life.. now people think he is hare lipped even though he is not... and he wasn't even going fast.

 

Lowsided becoz of diesel while travelling at 40 KMH, turning from main road to side road.

 

So the excuse for not wearing a full face helmet becoz the bike cannot hit 150 KMH top speed is a load of crap. Even the slowest motorcycle can exceed 40 KMH.

 

Think about it.... especially those of you who think you look funny wearing a full face helmet on a 2B bike.

 

Excellent advice! I agree fully - it's the chin bar or your jaw and teeth.

I got my full face within 1 week of getting my first 2B bike and have been using full face helmets since. The only time I wore an open face helmet after that was in driving school.

[Constructicon]

As the name aptly suggests, a half face gives the user half a face after a face on impact.

The only thing funny about full face on a 2B bike is the size of the brain of others who think it is funny.

[Pplater]

  contrarian said:

To all of those who put so much faith in DOT standards, you would do well to at least know what the label is about.

 

There is no batch testing requirement. There is no "testing" or "certification" by DOT - in other words there is no "passing of DOT standards" other than purely based on trust in the manufacturer.

After they have been put for sale, only a few helmets get randomly tested each year - You can see the test results here:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/comply/fmvss218/

 

This is the result of a system that requires no batch testing (unlike ECE 22.05). Do yourself a favour and stop mentioning "passing DOT standards" when there is no meaningful enforcement.

 

 

This is interesting info. But between buying $50 PSB approved and PSB tested helmet and trusting the manufacturer of SHOEI Dot and Snell approved but rarely tested helmet, the choice is still obvious. I will rather go with my Shoei. $500, trust the manufacturer and their reputation even if there is hardly any testing. It would have been better if Dot n Snell enforeced more testing. But PSB tests are questionable too. Didn't u guys read the papers of the PSB approved helmet which split into 2 on impact? That was a month ago or so, on the Home section front page of Straits Times.

[cyben76]

  contrarian said:

To all of those who put so much faith in DOT standards, you would do well to at least know what the label is about.

 

There is no batch testing requirement. There is no "testing" or "certification" by DOT - in other words there is no "passing of DOT standards" other than purely based on trust in the manufacturer.

After they have been put for sale, only a few helmets get randomly tested each year - You can see the test results here:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testing/comply/fmvss218/

 

This is the result of a system that requires no batch testing (unlike ECE 22.05). Do yourself a favour and stop mentioning "passing DOT standards" when there is no meaningful enforcement.

 

Reason why all my helmets are ECE approved

[Sherlyna]

  Constructicon said:

As the name aptly suggests, a half face gives the user half a face after a face on impact.

The only thing funny about full face on a 2B bike is the size of the brain of others who think it is funny.

 

Agreed!

[Kenneth.C]

ever wonder why no one has "contacted PSB for comment" ? or whether their comments have been removed from the article from our govt-controlled media?

 

Think about it....

 

"The PSB stickers i issue ensures than i earn more money. At the same time, they are not as high a standard as SNELL/DOT approved helmets. If SNELL/DOT helmets can be used legally in Singapore, those suckers wont be sending the helmets to me for testing. Wont that mean less money for me?"

[dragonforce]

  Arin said:

$50 bux

I might as well use that $50 bux to buy a PSB helmet.

wearing non psb approved you can get summoned $50? wth is that? confirm is cos you wear a non psb approved helmet not nv strap on your helmet or tinted visor? sounds atrocious to me.

 

other than getting fined, what's the implication/ possible problems you might get wearing a non psb approved helmet?

[katana999]

fine $50 for using a non psb helmet? dun be nuts. lol. which tp so bo liao UNLESS u play punk with them? Chances are for the visor tint etc lah..

[swat_]

  Raptor said:

Like some will say... money can always earn back as long as you are alive... but if you were wearing one of these $50 PSB approved ones... dunno if can survive the impact of an accident.

 

exactly.. arguments abt psb approved helmet will nvr end....

 

ur telling me a taiwan/china made helmet with psb sticker is so much better than a shoei w/o psb sticker?

 

but most of the time.. if suay2 kenna tahan by TP whilst using a high end helmet w/o sticker they will overlook it.. wonder what helmet was the person wearing who got fined wearing a non-psb helmet....

[lutein]

  dragonforce said:

wearing non psb approved you can get summoned $50? wth is that? confirm is cos you wear a non psb approved helmet not nv strap on your helmet or tinted visor? sounds atrocious to me.

 

other than getting fined, what's the implication/ possible problems you might get wearing a non psb approved helmet?

 

Don't let that deter you from buying a top end non-PSB helmet. My partner is wearing a non-PSB Shoei Multitec and never got into any trouble. If your helmet is from a reputable brand, TP will usually close one eye.

 

Otherwise, you can always buy a mid-range PSB-approved helmet. My AGV Longway is PSB approved and cost me $350.

 

My partner was riding around with his Shoei, Dainese jacket, A* gloves and boots on our puny Gilera runner. Raptor is absolutely right - it doesn't matter what bike you ride; if you crash, it hurts all the same.

[ShahZuL]

yes, the rider who got summoned was indeed summoned for not wearing a non-psb helmet, offence also stated in the summon letter which came 2 weeks later thru mail. the rider was wearing a No Fear full-face MX helmet(snell dot)($300),no visor at all.