Aprilia Riders

[wacko]

oh..

just wanna share my experience just now..

exiting from PIE after sending GF home..

an ah beng sp alongside me and start playing music with his pipe..

oh..

and he alongside me on my leftside..

which i presume never see my 2 pipes sticking out on my right..

after we make the right turn another traffic light and he started playing music..

very loud..

very irritating..

so i join the orchestra..

:cheeky:

when green, pick up like crazy and after after 3 lamp post never see him..

then caught up in red light.

this time he alongside me on the rightside..

still play orchestra..

dun even bother joining..

stupid ah beng..

 

they got this mentality..

if they blow bigger cc bikes..

and we play with them..

they will say we bully small bikes..

if never play..

i think it goes somthing like this..

"got big bike no use.. scared to play with small bike.. throw away better."

so i just dun bother anymore..

:smile:

[spiderman]

Originally posted by muser@Jul 7 2005, 12:08 AM

Eh? I was asking if that's the purpose of skimming the flywheel. Well, looks like I have my answer, heheh.

oops... haha... i tot u telling me.... well i'm gonna try soon... tell u all the results when i do...

[wacko]

Tell me about it bro - money always no enough, hah! SMX3 for about $300 sounds perfectly reasonable to me, especially since online stores like kneedraggers are selling them for US$125 (S$365) excluding shipping. I say go for it man.

yeah man..

but problem is..

derrick from regina not aorund..

apparently the 2 brothers father passed away..

and i think they won't be around for 1 - 2 weeks..??

usually i like to deal with derrick..

at least ur armoured jacket is A*...

mine is komine..

bought it cheap cheap at $450 from motorworld..

 

:cheeky:

[muser]

Originally posted by _wacko_@Jul 7 2005, 12:10 AM

they got this mentality..

if they blow bigger cc bikes..

and we play with them..

they will say we bully small bikes..

if never play..

i think it goes somthing like this..

"got big bike no use.. scared to play with small bike.. throw away better."

so i just dun bother anymore..

:smile:

That's some weird crap man. If he thought you were a 125, can still sort of understand. On your right side, see your twin stack, still dare to make noise... stupid or what?! You've definitely got the right idea in not wasting your time and energy.

[spiderman]

Originally posted by _wacko_@Jul 7 2005, 12:10 AM

oh..

just wanna share my experience just now..

exiting from PIE after sending GF home..

an ah beng sp alongside me and start playing music with his pipe..

oh..

and he alongside me on my leftside..

which i presume never see my 2 pipes sticking out on my right..

after we make the right turn another traffic light and he started playing music..

very loud..

very irritating..

so i join the orchestra..

:cheeky:

when green, pick up like crazy and after after 3 lamp post never see him..

then caught up in red light.

this time he alongside me on the rightside..

still play orchestra..

dun even bother joining..

stupid ah beng..

 

they got this mentality..

if they blow bigger cc bikes..

and we play with them..

they will say we bully small bikes..

if never play..

i think it goes somthing like this..

"got big bike no use.. scared to play with small bike.. throw away better."

so i just dun bother anymore..

:smile:

haha... don bother to react to them on the straights lah... when corner comes then see his face.... jaw also drop...

[muser]

Originally posted by spiderman+-->

QUOTE (spiderman)

oops... haha... i tot u telling me.... well i'm gonna try soon... tell u all the results when i do[/b] I'm sure we're all eager to know the results Alex!

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by spiderman@Jul 6 2005, 02:51 PM

most beginners fall at turn 3, 5, 9 and 10 (9 and 10 is chicane corner).... just familarise the track with 70 to 80 percent of yr normal limit... should not fall...

 

Heh. U beat me to posting this.

 

 

T3, watch out!! After a high speed T2, you better be on the brakes or the tight left hander will catch you totally off guard.

 

Note that the last time I went, which is end April, there were two patches near the center of the tarmac right after the apex. Now... I dunno how smooth those patches are, I chose to avoid them. Friends said they were OK, but I'm not taking chances. Just be mindful of it. It's right on the exit line, especially if you're powering out.

 

 

T5, watch for the two streaks of yellow paint cutting diagonally across the track. I dunno how slippery they are... or not, but again... I'm not taking chances going over them in a bank.

 

 

After T8, it's an upwards slope. Begin your braking, or throttle shut, before the crest. Power on over that crest, and you'll be in for a rude shock as you come right over it and see less than 50m to a 90 deg T9 right hander.

A lot of ppl go into the gravel because of this. My friend highsided here in March.

 

 

 

Other things which I have noticed. T6, right sweeper. There's a shiny yellowish patch, which is probably nothing (but it looks like old dried up oil to me), but just worth taking note of. U can use it as a Reference Point. Basically it marks the apex for me, so I go inside of it, but never over it... just in case.

 

Watch out for monitor lizards on the straights between T2 and T3, and also T5 and T6. Seems to be a common occurance for me...

[wacko]

my suit..

think i showed u guys before..

wat the hell..

[speedkills]

Originally posted by _wacko_@Jul 6 2005, 09:13 PM

hey no probs speedie boy...

anyway..

my coffee is not those 60cents ones k..

mine is a large double iced latte at spinellis k..

:cheeky:

anyway..

where did u get ur stickers from..

 

erm..

guys..

which one will u pick..

alpinestar smx3/smx gpplus boots or

Oxtar GP replica..

damn in dilemma.. :confused:

i got my stickers beside ahboy today....spent like $24.. didnt know reflective so ex..hahaa anyway, heres my bike after pasting stickers!! looks amatuer la...but becos i do it myself...cant wait for khai to help me..heh..

[spiderman]

Originally posted by DeusExMachina@Jul 7 2005, 12:21 AM

 

Watch out for monitor lizards on the straights between T2 and T3, and also T5 and T6. Seems to be a common occurance for me...

serious ah? monitor lizards? never see one yet at pg... haha

only saw a snake in a video on 1998 250 race... cobra!

[muser]

Thanks for the detailed tips DeusExMachina, I think must print this out for reference.

 

wacko, nice suit man! Eh, your pants look suspiciously like the A* pants I've been dreaming about - what brand ah?

[DeusExMachina]

Originally posted by _wacko_@Jul 7 2005, 12:23 AM

my suit..

think i showed u guys before..

wat the hell..

 

 

Komine. Good and well priced suit. What size is that?

[wacko]

wacko, nice suit man! Eh, your pants look suspiciously like the A* pants I've been dreaming about - what brand ah?

thanks bro..

its a 2 piece verona komine suit ( i think so)

:confused:

Komine. Good and well priced suit. What size is that?

its 4L...

my pants are a tad big for my waist.. but the top will hold up the pants just nice..

happens that i have a beer belly..

heheh..

so if i were to just wear my pants..

after 1,2 step, it will drop exposing my incredible hulk boxers..

:cheeky:

i think the price is not bad for a noobie..

wouldn't want to spend more $$$ on a top range ones..

:smile:

[snowparang]

Originally posted by _wacko_@Jul 7 2005, 12:34 AM

thanks bro..

its a 2 piece verona komine suit ( i think so)

:confused:

 

its 4L...

my pants are a tad big for my waist.. but the top will hold up the pants just nice..

happens that i have a beer belly..

heheh..

so if i were to just wear my pants..

after 1,2 step, it will drop exposing my incredible hulk boxers..

:cheeky:

i think the price is not bad for a noobie..

wouldn't want to spend more $$$ on a top range ones..

:smile:

Komine 2 peice, how muh will it cost me? Get from Chong Aik?

[spiderman]

got go on the track lap timing and see?

 

daigo34 - 1:38 - - (official)

peter_tan - 1:38 - - (official)

5thrider - 1:40 - - (official)

maik - 1:40 - - (official)

ryhan - 1:40 - - (official)

Kiss - 1:43 - ZXR750

Some Angmoh dude - 1:45 - R6 red (timed by axxis)

EXC_Alan4 - 1:47 - KTM525 SMR Motard

Kira_Yamato - 1:48 - CBR1000RR 2005

kata_killer - 1:48 - CBR929

WW - 1:48 - ???

Kiss - 1:49 - VFR800FI

CBR_Rider - 1:49 - CBR954 - (new timing)

SQ6060 - 1:50 - 04 R1 (onbike lap timer)

Indralove - 1:50 - KRR150

Gary - 1:52 - R1(02)

wvvern77 - 1:52 - ZX6 J1

CBR_rider - 1:52 - CBR400

KiraYamato - 1:52 - 2000 R6

Jerry858 - 1:52 - TZR125

Yuzhao - 1:53 - R6

Fai - 1:56 - GSXR750 1998 (timed by inrsoul)

Fatgrunt - 1:56 - RVF400

Jerry858 - 1:57 - CBR1000RR4

SQ6060 - 1:59 - WR400 Motard (timed by axxis)

adrianlkl - 1:59 - CBR929

servoprax - 2.00 - Fazer1000 ( timed today by nicky69hayden )

Roadster - 2:00 - Ducati 900SS (onboard lap timer)

Zec^SP - 2:00 - NSR150SP

Zakevich - 2:03 - CBR600RR

Indralove - 2:03 - GSXR400

Cool79 - 2:07 - R6

Jeff916 - 2:08 - Ducati 996SPS

Hikaru - 2:08 - CBR954

ambasnakeman - 2.08 - RVF400 (timed by maryjane)

Zenderboy - 2:09 - NSR150SP

ktkt - 2:09 - ???

Palmer - 2:10 - ???

Harada - 2:12 - RVF400

Bambino - 2:14 - Super 4

feng125 - 2:17 - Hornet 250

Axxis - 2:20 - CBR150 (timed by inrsoul)

SAN853 - 2:20 - RZ350LC

Number17 - 2:30 - Wave

Throttle - 3:16 - ZX9R C1

Inrsoul - 3:30 - CBR150 (timed by axxis)

[spiderman]

after u all go track can post yr timing inside...

[snowparang]

Originally posted by gonggong@Jul 6 2005, 11:51 PM

Why do say that? Is it because they're the manufacturer so they should know what they're talking about when it comes to carburetion? Sorry if this is very obvious but I'm really shagged, yet still want to discuss.

 

I'm looking forward to finding out how your bike runs when you move slightly rich. What's your carburetion like now?

Not saying that manufacturer will always say the correct thing. For me, currently i got no valve, prior to my bike being tuned by ah boon, it was running lean. And I dint know anything abt that till i started reading.

 

And like Dell'Orto mentioned, fresh charge get lost at my "opened-valve". The bike simply cant perform. But once Ah boon tune it richer, the problem went away. And this is enough proof for me that there is at least some truth to the documents by Dell'Orto. :cheer:

 

And of coz right now, I am running very rich. I only average something like 16km/L. I need to run rich to overcome the 4000-6000rpm range (lack of mid-range due to the "opened-valve".

 

 

Of coz i dun mind discussing, but for me, i try to discuss on topics that I have done research and verified it as I dun want to mislead anyone. The internet and forums have aleady opened the floodgate to so much wrong info and i dun think i want to be part of that.

hmm..some questions:

 

1. Why are there 'power valves' in 2 strokes? I mean, why restrict it at low RPM? Is it even considered restricting?

 

2. There is no danger of running rich, but dangerous to run lean. However, I always tot the best response (not power) occurs when you're running at the edge of the dangerous lean mixture line...as this is where AFR is just right. At least for initial - 75% of the throttle. Thus, you would tune a 2 stroke racer differently to a 2 stroke dirt bike?

 

3. Running rich also have the advantage of not going into the lean ratio during different RPM and temp, setting etc, right? But the down side, besides fouled plugs, is the higher consumption?

 

4. change of exhaust, open pod filters etc will all require rejetting. true?

[DNAdevil]

guy abt the buffet thing i dun think i can make it cos my fren wedding, BUT IF u guys going to the dam till late then i will join u all with my new ride, can someone give me a call on that day to comfirm u all r at the dam (seletar), thanks

[CMYRS]

Originally posted by spiderman@Jul 6 2005, 11:00 PM

y do u disagree? aiya i lost my dyno graph or else can show u the air fuel ratio through the revs:mad:

I think that figure is rather rich.

The leaner the figures go, the more pwr is produced, of course till a certain extent.

But you can only go so lean before there are heat issues and the premature combustion in the cylinders i.e. pinging.

 

My dyno graphs have lead to figures of up to just under 15 before I had to stop the run.

In my opinion, anything above that is dangerously lean.

 

But please take into account that my figures do not come from 2 stroke engines & are from actual dyno tuning sessions and pwr runs on Dyno Dynamics Dynamometer, MDX Dyno, in shootout mode.

 

I find that in most cases, tuning for max performance usually involves leaning out the mixtures. If you want the full story I will tell it in person, its 1230am and I wana go home!

 

Irrespective whether its a 4,6,8 or even 12 cylinder, single, twin or quad overhead cam engine running 92,95,98 octane or even Av-gas, when the airfuel, ignition maps are plotted to perfection, they all have one thing in common.

 

The exhaust has this very distinct sweet smell to it.

New engines do not produce this smell, only very performance tuned ones.

Smell it once & you will remember it for life.

 

More another time..............

[snowparang]

Originally posted by spiderman@Jul 7 2005, 12:49 AM

got go on the track lap timing and see?

 

daigo34 - 1:38 - - (official)

peter_tan - 1:38 - - (official)

.

.

.

Number17 - 2:30 - Wave

Throttle - 3:16 - ZX9R C1

Inrsoul - 3:30 - CBR150 (timed by axxis)

Just for sake of comparison:

 

Subaru Impreza 1.6 GL (no turbo charging, stock system except suspension) - 2:30. Timed by me.

 

eh..why the CBR150 and ZX9 so slow?

[spiderman]

not really leaner more power... response is better but power not so good in the highs... too rich throttle respone no good also, cos when suddenly full throttle it will have a power lag... must be just the right ratio... i like my plug to be meduim tanned... thats where more torque and right throttle respone in track... if going for top speed richer by one two size also nevermind... no need throttle respone cos all the way wide open

[spiderman]

Originally posted by snowparang@Jul 7 2005, 12:52 AM

 

hmm..some questions:

 

1. Why are there 'power valves' in 2 strokes? I mean, why restrict it at low RPM? Is it even considered restricting?

 

2. There is no danger of running rich, but dangerous to run lean. However, I always tot the best response (not power) occurs when you're running at the edge of the dangerous lean mixture line...as this is where AFR is just right. At least for initial - 75% of the throttle. Thus, you would tune a 2 stroke racer differently to a 2 stroke dirt bike?

 

3. Running rich also have the advantage of not going into the lean ratio during different RPM and temp, setting etc, right? But the down side, besides fouled plugs, is the higher consumption?

 

4. change of exhaust, open pod filters etc will all require rejetting. true?

1. becos the valves actually cos a different exhaust port timing... when it is closed will give low and mid range more ridiablilty

2. from wat u say is quite right.... in the case of track riding when u need to comprimise respones and power...

3. u said it

4. true...

[Visor]

Got lost reading all this air/petrol mixture thing. Could only grasp 70 % of what you guys said.Need enlightenment.

 

Anyway, do anyone have a 34mm carb kit & manifold to sell me be it Dell Orto or Kaein.

[spiderman]

pwk 40mm wan anot?

[speedkills]

anyone knows wher to get o ring chains? wads the cheapest i can get and + labour charge = ?