[Technical] Engine Oil - All related matters in EO

[VidaK]

I wonder will the engine suffer if you use a lousy EO and ignored the vibration to ride at 110km?

 

I alternate between a high quality EO and a lower quality EO most of the time... the difference in vibration levels can be quite significant...

 

ask for me... I can ignore the vibrations, but of course I try to go long trips with the engine running on better EO... (when I went with the knights to port dickson, I was on lower quality EO... my hands and butt jellified... and... a topspeed that is kind of nerfed...)

[jtzx]

Lets get things organised. Please add on to the list. Try to keep it alphabetically arranged thank you!

 

Strictly for TA200 riders reviews only

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Bel-Ray-96262-Thumper-20W50-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Belray thumper 20w50(Unique motorsports/hkl) $18

Hydher - After 1000k,gear shifting was slick 4.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_malaysia/STAGING/local_assets/images/products/mco_power14t_malaysia_375x253.jpg

Castrol Power 1 15w40 (Thailand) 100 baht / S$4.26

VidaK - Gear changing is a little stiff, engine sounds rough and top speed is much lower than before 2/5

jianping - worst EO on my bike, engine feels less powerful,noisy and rough.. need to throttle alot more to attain 90km/hr on expressway.. avoid this.. i bought at $12.. 1/5

 

 

 

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_IHSFI5DXqm4/ShF8-VdH1fI/AAAAAAAADmQ/rMjBbBzoXdw/s512/DSC00359.JPG

Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 (planet) $16

VidaK - No gear changing problems, or other problems. Although there is more vibration then quality oils, it is good value for your money 4/5

jtzx- Great fully syn Eo. which is value for money which can last at least 2.5k millege 5/5

 

 

 

FUCHS [Which series?]15w50 (planet) $10

Hydher - I hated it after 1k, gear changing was rough as hell and stuck at neutrals 2/5

 

 

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-32901-Maxum4-Extra-100-Synthetic-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-15W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 15w50 extra (planet) $21

VidaK - no problems with the bike, but compared to the chex, this oil lost outright since its much more expensive... 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-35901B-Maxum4-Synthetic-Blend-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-20W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 20w50 synblend (planet) $15

Hydher - Was used for long distance travelling. Was soso. 4/5

nuttybing - can feel the roughness in changing gears after around 1300km, so so only 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-36901-Maxum4-Ultra-100-Synthetic-High-RPM-Formula-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-5W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 5w50 ultra (planet) $23

VidaK - No doubt it is a good oil, but it is a little expensive 3.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/300V_4T_FACTORYLINE_15W50.jpg

Motul 300v 15w50 (planet) $28

VidaK - The smoothest is unreal. In fact top speed increased. 4.5/5

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/5100_4T_15W50_1L_A.jpg

Motul 5100 15w50 (semi)

nuttybing - Gear changing is really smooth, can feel the power along with the throttle, around 2000km can feel it deteriorating 4/5

 

 

 

NASA [Which series?]10w40 (planet) $10

Hydher - Not bad in all rounders even price. 4/5.

jtzx - pick up quite bad but over all good.. 3.5/5

 

 

 

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/tosco1122/HR50white.jpg

Verity 15w50 fully synthetic (planet) $26

VidaK - It is very good, but not the best. Quite expensive also... 3.5/5

 

 

 

haha... the vibrations will screwed the screws out? sure not?

[Guyvr111]

so when i fill up engine oil . my engine sight glass should be 3/4 full ar ? i should be buying the 1000ml ver of mobil 2T full synthetic oil ?

[Hydher]

so when i fill up engine oil . my engine sight glass should be 3/4 full ar ? i should be buying the 1000ml ver of mobil 2T full synthetic oil ?

 

this thread is for honda ta200 riders. You can get experienced answers from ur respective community.

[lycan]

so when i fill up engine oil . my engine sight glass should be 3/4 full ar ? i should be buying the 1000ml ver of mobil 2T full synthetic oil ?

you are talking about GEAR OIL or 2T? ;/

 

2T you can pour as much as your 2T Tank holds.

 

Gear Oil for your bike RX-Z I think its best you look for them.

 

-> http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85849

[Guyvr111]

i go there before. ppl chit chat more then toking about tech stuffs . i see all the pages .. see till blur .

nvm . i go search around. thks .

Edited June 26, 2009 by Guyvr111

[Finrod]

Rxz is a common bike so i think almost all bikeshops can do them. When u go for ur servicing, ask them how much Eo is needed and also how much 2T. With regards to 2T, i think it always helps to have some spare at home. Do ask ur mechanics, these are basic infos u need to get to know ur bike better and know what to do in case something goes wrong.

[mepkoh]

so when i fill up engine oil . my engine sight glass should be 3/4 full ar ? i should be buying the 1000ml ver of mobil 2T full synthetic oil ?

 

there are 2 types of oil to use..

u seem to be confused..

2T..this one is used together with petrol. either pump into carb via a 2T PUMP. there should be 2T tank somewhere..some older bikes without 2T pump need to add to petrol directly when filling up petrol.at a ratio of 1: 75..this method is called pre-mix.

 

4T..this is engine oil (EO)...this is added to the engine

crankcase .

 

most sight glass has max and min markers..3/4 if there are no markers is just right..take note again check mark when engine is off,,and bike is upright.

 

for 2 strokers..use 4T or gear oil...for EO.please take note do not use car eo..thus bike is 4T oil. Gear oil is expensive..most will use 4T.

[Guyvr111]

there are 2 types of oil to use..

u seem to be confused..

2T..this one is used together with petrol. either pump into carb via a 2T PUMP. there should be 2T tank somewhere..some older bikes without 2T pump need to add to petrol directly when filling up petrol.at a ratio of 1: 75..this method is called pre-mix.

 

4T..this is engine oil (EO)...this is added to the engine

crankcase .

 

most sight glass has max and min markers..3/4 if there are no markers is just right..take note again check mark when engine is off,,and bike is upright.

 

for 2 strokers..use 4T or gear oil...for EO.please take note do not use car eo..thus bike is 4T oil. Gear oil is expensive..most will use 4T.

so if i get the Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 can use for engine oil replacement ? yes. i am very confused. HAH.. but then using 2 stroke engine .

 

So if i got 4 stroke engine .. what should i use for EO this time ?

[mepkoh]

yeah...mobil 4T ...yeah thats a good

 

there is also mobil 2 T..i think..

 

both comes in normal or synhectic..take your pick

[Guyvr111]

yeah...mobil 4T ...yeah thats a good

 

there is also mobil 2 T..i think..

 

both comes in normal or synhectic..take your pick

 

i read from site .. and ask some frds. 4T meaning is EO rite ? 2T is adding to fuel . yet . i bought another mobil extra 2T semi synthetic. i read from label is mean for 2strokes. while the oil is green in color . i asked frds. he said EO is usually golden colour.. 2T oils is green and etc.

[Guyvr111]

let me summarise. 2T or 4T can be use on both 2 or 4 stroke ? only diff between this 2T and 4T is the usage on fuel addition and 4T for engine crankcase . correct?

 

Applications

 

Mobil Super 4T 10W-40, 15W-40, 15W-50, 20W-50 are recommended for lubrication of all four-stroke motorcycle engines where an API SG and JASO MA level performance is recommended.

http://www.mobil.com/Singapore-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_Super_4T.asp

 

Applications

 

Mobil 1 Racing 2T is recommended for lubrication of two-stroke engines used in the highest performance motorcycles, snowmobiles and lean oil/fuel ratio chain saws. It is ideal for applications where API TC or JASO FC performance standards are recommended. The product provides outstanding performance even in the harshest operating conditions.

http://www.mobil.com/Singapore-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_Racing_2T.asp

[jtzx]

Nononono... a 2T oil must never never put in a 4 stroke bike.

[mepkoh]

i read from site .. and ask some frds. 4T meaning is EO rite ? 2T is adding to fuel . yet . i bought another mobil extra 2T semi synthetic. i read from label is mean for 2strokes. while the oil is green in color . i asked frds. he said EO is usually golden colour.. 2T oils is green and etc.

 

EO..it comes with all sorts of colour..there is a purple,red...etc..so dont use colour to identify it..

 

just remember 4T is EO for bike...use on 2 or 4 storkes engine.

2T is for 2 strokers to be added to petrol..(this is not EO..).

 

u can use gear oil which is used in 2 stroke engines only as a EO. This option for the perfectionist...but it is costly so not popular choice. This gear oil cannot use on 4 strokes engines.

 

 

why 2T and 4T???..this is not to confuse with car EO..

[Hydher]

vidak.. why never use semi syn?

[VidaK]

vidak.. why never use semi syn?

 

I want my engine to be completely free from mineral deposits... deposits = grinding against my cylinder wall = wear and tear. hence I always use fully synthetic oil to prolong its lifespan

[lv3338]

I want my engine to be completely free from mineral deposits... deposits = grinding against my cylinder wall = wear and tear. hence I always use fully synthetic oil to prolong its lifespan

 

You never know these deposits could be beneficial for engine > 5 years due to wider gap between piston and cylinder ........

sometime fully synthetic oil (too thin) may not good for engine due to exposed wear and tear...

[Guyvr111]

EO..it comes with all sorts of colour..there is a purple,red...etc..so dont use colour to identify it..

 

just remember 4T is EO for bike...use on 2 or 4 storkes engine.

2T is for 2 strokers to be added to petrol..(this is not EO..).

 

u can use gear oil which is used in 2 stroke engines only as a EO. This option for the perfectionist...but it is costly so not popular choice. This gear oil cannot use on 4 strokes engines.

 

 

why 2T and 4T???..this is not to confuse with car EO..

 

OHHH.. hahhaa .so label on the bottle 2T means for 2strokers to put in petrol lor hehehe . thks .. 4T is both for 2 or 4 strokes EO

[nivleK1985]

ok see ar...

TA150 is a 2 stroke. which requires 2T.

there's a compartment/tank for 2T EO...

and 2 stroke bike also have to put 4T... but dun have to change that often...

 

TA200 is 4 stroke, no need 2T.

hence the frequency of change for 4T is like 3k~5k...

[VidaK]

You never know these deposits could be beneficial for engine > 5 years due to wider gap between piston and cylinder ........

sometime fully synthetic oil (too thin) may not good for engine due to exposed wear and tear...

 

that is one school of thought. but I rather use thicker fully synthetic oil

[Guyvr111]

i hunt around also no have the mobil 4T fully synthetic .. maybe not enough hunting ar ? i bought the one in my previous post super 4T. as long is correct EO . nvm liao lor.. so hard to find . i see castrol have the fully syn one .

[mepkoh]

i hunt around also no have the mobil 4T fully synthetic .. maybe not enough hunting ar ? i bought the one in my previous post super 4T. as long is correct EO . nvm liao lor.. so hard to find . i see castrol have the fully syn one .

 

mobil 1...4t. planet has. mobil petrolstation dont seem to carry only mineral i think .

maybe u go to spare parts shop...most probably have.

 

try the shop blk in front of planet..or one at telok kurau/changi rd junction.

[Hydher]

I want my engine to be completely free from mineral deposits... deposits = grinding against my cylinder wall = wear and tear. hence I always use fully synthetic oil to prolong its lifespan

 

That is good.. It'll benefit you back

 

ok see ar...

TA150 is a 2 stroke. which requires 2T.

there's a compartment/tank for 2T EO...

and 2 stroke bike also have to put 4T... but dun have to change that often...

 

TA200 is 4 stroke, no need 2T.

hence the frequency of change for 4T is like 3k~5k...

 

its because ta200 4t is circulated throughout the bike and not only the gears. Typical of jap bikes. Unlike 2t bikes.

[armani123sg]

Lets get things organised. Please add on to the list. Try to keep it alphabetically arranged thank you!

 

Strictly for TA200 riders reviews only

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Bel-Ray-96262-Thumper-20W50-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Belray thumper 20w50(Unique motorsports/hkl) $18

Hydher - After 1000k,gear shifting was slick 4.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_malaysia/STAGING/local_assets/images/products/mco_power14t_malaysia_375x253.jpg

Castrol Power 1 15w40 (Thailand) 100 baht / S$4.26

VidaK - Gear changing is a little stiff, engine sounds rough and top speed is much lower than before 2/5

jianping - worst EO on my bike, engine feels less powerful,noisy and rough.. need to throttle alot more to attain 90km/hr on expressway.. avoid this.. i bought at $12.. 1/5

 

 

 

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_IHSFI5DXqm4/ShF8-VdH1fI/AAAAAAAADmQ/rMjBbBzoXdw/s512/DSC00359.JPG

Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 (planet) $16

VidaK - No gear changing problems, or other problems. Although there is more vibration then quality oils, it is good value for your money 4/5

jtzx- Great fully syn Eo. which is value for money which can last at least 2.5k millege 5/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to FUCHS brand.

 

 

FUCHS [Which series?]15w50 (planet) $10

Hydher - I hated it after 1k, gear changing was rough as hell and stuck at neutrals 2/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to CHEX brand.

 

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-32901-Maxum4-Extra-100-Synthetic-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-15W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 15w50 extra (planet) $21

VidaK - no problems with the bike, but compared to the chex, this oil lost outright since its much more expensive... 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-35901B-Maxum4-Synthetic-Blend-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-20W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 20w50 synblend (planet) $15

Hydher - Was used for long distance travelling. Was soso. 4/5

nuttybing - can feel the roughness in changing gears after around 1300km, so so only 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-36901-Maxum4-Ultra-100-Synthetic-High-RPM-Formula-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-5W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 5w50 ultra (planet) $23

VidaK - No doubt it is a good oil, but it is a little expensive 3.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/300V_4T_FACTORYLINE_15W50.jpg

Motul 300v 15w50 (planet) $28

VidaK - The smoothest is unreal. In fact top speed increased. 4.5/5

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/5100_4T_15W50_1L_A.jpg

Motul 5100 15w50 (semi)

nuttybing - Gear changing is really smooth, can feel the power along with the throttle, around 2000km can feel it deteriorating 4/5

 

 

 

NASA [Which series?]10w40 (planet) $10

Hydher - Not bad in all rounders even price. 4/5.

jtzx - pick up quite bad but over all good.. 3.5/5

armani123sg- acceleration faster, nicer sound, better than the FUCHS and CHEX but my FC decrease from usually 40km/hr on FUCHS/CHEX to 37km/hr on NASA...

 

 

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/tosco1122/HR50white.jpg

Verity 15w50 fully synthetic (planet) $26

VidaK - It is very good, but not the best. Quite expensive also... 3.5/5

 

 

Here's my review on CHEX, FUCHS and NASA.

[Hydher]

Is it just me and reviews or does maxima oils really give you better fc?