Lane splitting

[omarmukthar]

I had a question pop up in my head while was riding in the rain earlier. Have read from some threads and heard from friends that lane splitting can actually be an offence in the eye of a tp. Like to know from those knowledgable if an accident was to happen while a rider is lane splitting. Eg. rider is lane splitting in a jam and a car just pops out and resulting in rider either going straight into the car or car clipping the rider causing him to fall. In this case whose at fault in the eyes of the law and the insurance company. Thanks for the answers.

[trixxy]

lane splitting is legal. nuff said. even tp does that.

[lazykatak]

so what tp do, we can do?

[trixxy]

so what tp do, we can do?

 

I mean lane splitting only. Of course we cannot do whatever tp do.

[omarmukthar]

ok let it be legal, the qns is if a rider gets knocked down or knocked into a car while lane splitting whose at fault.

[lazykatak]

hahaha... ok... no la, just want to confrim...

 

yeap curious also, abt the accident part.

driver nowadays getting irritated abt riders lane spliting...

[trixxy]

If a car change lane suddenly and u are unable to react in the short time and accident happen, he is at fault. If u hit the car due to ur own carelesness, u are at fault.

[lwfc]

as in seriously, lane splitting is legal?

[omarmukthar]

let's put a scenario whereby a rider is lane splitting and the car juts out and the rider dosen't have ample time to stop his bike. usually the case will be the rider will bang into his tyre or door area. this kind of scenario will definetly be debatable right. you can't put it as a rider's carelessness but although in words its the driver's fault for not looking out before coming out but in spore's context the rider hit the car which is the rider's fault. this kinda scenario how? any riders involved this kinda situation before?

[trixxy]

There is no specific law permitting lane splitting, or rather, no law explicitly and clearly prohibits lane splitting, it has become the traditional policy of law enforcement, the courts, and the public to tolerate it when it is done safely. However, those engaged in unsafe behavior during lane splitting can still be summoned for other offences like inconsiderate driving.

[bernardk]

If you have an accident while lane split, its not worth it to fight. 50/50 or definately you lose. You can only argue if you only hit one car. Cos usually if you lane split hit surely is 2 car and then you are at fault. if you solely hit 1 car, you can say that you are in your lane and he change into your lane and hit you. Unless there is witness or video if not its 50/50. if you hit 2 cars then you totally lose it.

 

Its and offence and its chargeable if they want to they can charge you dangerous riding or causing danger to other road user. But in school they tell you lane split is a form of safety riding also. So its a grey area. If you wanna split make sure you look out. If you get hit then most importantly is check yourself for injury first. That is why i have a camera on board for purpose like this.

 

But if you were to bang into someone while lane split, no need to say much, ITS YOUR FAULT!!!! Even touch their mirror also your fault. Your judgement is not good so... you think abt it ba. If you can squeeze thru just slow down take your time.

[warrior.c.o.n.p]

if u hv the combination of right speed & judgement, ur lane splitting will b safe & not causing danger to othr road user. but i still believe its not safe to do it.

[Constructicon]

Jaywalk is illegal, but everyone does that.

Same logic i suppose.

 

Everyone does that does not mean it is legal, but is anyone going to be the 100% law abiding citizen/ fool?

[CoolieND]

Jaywalk is illegal, but everyone does that.

Same logic i suppose.

 

Everyone does that does not mean it is legal, but is anyone going to be the 100% law abiding citizen/ fool?

 

Indeed, but we also shouldn't be lemmings following the rest of the pack running across Orchard road.

 

I wonder if a car driver could actually sue a jaywalker for damages caused and win....

[Constructicon]

Indeed, but we also shouldn't be lemmings following the rest of the pack running across Orchard road.

 

I wonder if a car driver could actually sue a jaywalker for damages caused and win....

 

Sad to say...if *touch wood* anyone hit a jaywalker, the driver/rider is at fault.

Well, that's singapore law for you...

 

I remembered an article in the papers maybe 2-3 years back.

 

Suppose there are 4 lanes on a road, each lane is an estimation of the blame that the driver/ rider is supposed to shoulder in an event of an accident.

 

Say driver X hit Jaywalker at Lane 1, instead of Lane 4, the fault of the driver will increase/ decrease accordingly.

Forgot the details already, but essentially if you hit anyone of the road, you are screwed....

 

Funny how law works here sometimes...

[lutein]

Law is silent on lane splitting. There's no law prohibiting lane splitting. So by that, do you call it "legal" or "not illegal"? There's a difference.

[lazykatak]

i got this 1 funny incident...

 

was at orchard... saw a red car on the left lane.. the middle lane was emty so stop my bike beside him on the center lane... there are other bike beside me ah....

then when its green.. the red car, launch itself infront of me and took the middle lane....

i give him a 2 sec horn on my hella...

 

the next trafic light.. i stop beside him ask if he has problem with me...

he say im at the center of the lane.. so is it wrong he pick up and go infront of me...

 

i laught and say, i was beside him, but im in my own lane and he should not have aggresively enter my lane...

 

he keep saying that im not in lane.. and should not have done that...

 

funny thing is, he dare to put his car on parking brake and neutral and release his seat belt, and threaten to open the door... but dun dare come out...

 

 

btw... lucky im riding daelim roadwin.. if i have a better pick up, even a kapcai...

i think is could have been a crash...

[Team_Commander]

lane splitting is legal. nuff said. even tp does that.

 

never saw them doing....

 

nowdays raining be careful bros.

[Lim Ah Wan]

I Was Caught In A Lane Splitting Accident 2 Months Ago.

 

It Was Drizzling & There Was A Terrible Jam At PIE Due To Accident In The Front. All 4 Lanes Didnt Move At All So I Lane Split Around 40kmh Then Suddenly One Car With A FEMALE Driver Inside Moved And She Moved Slightly To The Left And Blocked My Path So I Had To Jam Brake And I Fell.

 

I Didnt Hit Her Car At All But I Fell Because I Had To Avoid Her Car. So She Came Out Of The Car And Said That Its Not Her Fault Because She Didnt Hit Me But I Said Its Her Fault Because I Fell Due To Her Actions But She Die Die Dun Wanna Admit Her Mistake. I Did Admit That I Wasnt Suppose To Lane Split But It Was A Complete Jam & The Cars Were Not Moving.

 

You Cant Expect A Biker To Wait Behind The Cars And Move Slowly Bit By Bit Right?!

 

Then She Doesnt Wanna Pay A Single Cent. My Mirrors Were Shattered. My Fairing Got Scratched And Brake Lever, Footpeg All Damaged And I Got Scratches Too Lorr.

 

I Wanted To Report To Police And Also Make A Claim Against Her But I Was Afraid That TP Might Gimme Points Instead For Self Skidding Or Lane Splitting.

 

In The End I Just Kept Quiet And Suck Thumb Lorr. HAHAHA.

 

So The Moral Of The Story Is JUST LANE SPLIT AT YOUR OWN RISK!!

[bernardk]

Yup wanwanwanwan said is correct. Like for his case. you cannot do anything or any claim. Lane split at your own risk.

[trixxy]

For this case if u self skid it is ur own fault already, be it lane split or not, it is very difficult to claim coz it shows that u don't know how to handle your vehicle properly. For wet condition u should keep in mind that u will skid if u jam brake, u should even slow down ur speed to prevent this. Most importantly u should not panic and skid. The most u get an accident with the car but at least u can claim. Lane splitting might be dangerous but if u keep in mind every safety details, the risk can be minimise to a point that there is almost no risk at all. If sh*t happens it will not be your fault most likely.

[Lim Ah Wan]

Yeaaap. Actually Honestly To Me, The Main Reason I Skidded Was Because I Panicked And Jammed My Brakes. Hahahaha.

 

I Had Only One Week Of Experience On The Road Thats Why I Really Didnt Have Good Judgement Skills & Panicked.

 

Now After Months Of Riding, Abit Terror Already Ah. :cool:

[madman]

direct from the mouth of TP officer.

 

lane splitting generally they will not enforce it on riders as long as you are not causing any danger to other rd users.

 

if you lane split and caused cars to jam brake etc, then he will book you for it.

 

TP also lane split am sure if u long enuff otr will see it.

 

regarding accident while lane split, it depends on situation, can be 50-50 fault, not necessary lane split one bears all.

 

above comes from bbdc ride safe the TP there, not my mouth, not so steady to reply, hahaa...

[Lim Ah Wan]

Yeap Bro.

 

One TP Advised Me The Same.

 

As Long As U Dun Endanger Others And U Lane Split Steadily, They Are Okay With It.

 

If You Ride Like One Hooligan Weave Here Weave There, Sure Kena One! Hahaha.

[Navanod]

Lane spilting is legal. You're even given right of way over lane-changing vehicles and vehicles from minor roads. Even if you're crossing over to opposing traffic's lane while doing so, its still legal as long as you didn't hit any opposite traffic.

 

 

So much for that big poster at the TP HQ saying that weaving through traffic is not good. BS.

 

In an accident, right of way is given to lane spiltters by TP even if they're effectively not in any lanes and cannot be seen by others.