2B Bikes Help

[Averic]

Hi guys, I'm basically new to this forum. Anyway, seeing that most of you guys here are quite helpful I've decided to post for help here...

 

This is what's happening. I've narrowed my choices to basically 3 bikes, SP, R15 and R125. What I need to know is, the fuel consumption and maintenance cost for these 3 bikes.

 

As SP is a 2 stroke bikes and requires 2t oil and is 10 years old i reckon the maintenance and fuel economy will be high. But question is, will it be higher than R15 and R125?

 

Besides, R125 is new and cost alot for the initial payment. So if i make it into seperate installments, will it be costly? Anyone have experience with R125 like on fuel consumption and monthly maintenance cost on top of the installments etc?

 

One more thing, if SP vs R15, which maintenance in the long term will cost more? Both in terms of fuel consumption and monthly maintenances. I understand that R15 cost more.

 

What I'm looking for in a bike is sportsbike, which is BIG, and looks sporty and nice. I don't mind about speed because I just use it for transport.

 

One last question, for SP owners or ex owners, because SP is old and i read that it is prone to problems so if I overhaul the whole bike will it still be likely to give me problems after that? Provided i drive the right way and don't rev alot.

 

And which bike do you guys think is nicer? For me is R125 but its so costly! So actually its battle between SP and R15 for looks, size, monthly maintenance fees and fuel consumption.

 

Thanks for you advice!

[aaronlovesyou]

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Hope it helps and SP will cost quite a bit to maintain and fuel consumption is rather high. Meanwhile, R15 and R125 will hav better fuel consumption and save you on those 2Ts... Since you are not gg for speed, you might want to leave SP out and stick between R15 and R125. SP will naturally have its set of probelms with the wear and tear issues and ailing engine conditions. However, the new R125 cost quite a bomb and this being your first bike, you might not want to get smth so expensive for fear of stationary falls, accidents, etc. And changing various cosmetics parts can cost quite abit. Then best bet is still R15. Though it aint the hottest looking bike among the 3, it will get you around places reliably and efficiently. A new R15 is much lower than that of a R125 too so it is worth considering.

 

Between the SP and R15, SP should win for looks and speed. However, like what you have mentioned, you intend to use this bike mainly for transportation, the R15 will be a good and reliable bike among the 2. The R15 has a very nice head similar to the R6 but ends what stick thin tires and a rather small end.

[Cracked]

Get the 2 stroke la. people say maintenance high is bull**** la... will still be cheaper den class 2a/2 bikes. Somemore can go JB and do, lots of shops in AGL dat specialise in SP. The experience of riding a 2 stroke bike is priceless... enjoy them b4 dey RIP in the scrapyards..

 

To me, tose ppl who juz anyhw blast 2stroke as high maintenance, problematic la are juz giving a generic TEXTBOOK ANSWER

[Averic]

So R15 really doesn't look as good as SP huh? Hmm...

 

Do you know how much it cost to roughly maintain a R15 and a SP per month?

And also the cost for R125 if you have any experience.

 

Is SP condition really that bad that even if i overhaul the whole bike that it will still have ailing engine condition and the wear and tear issues? @_@ If so, I'm surprise by the number of people riding SP with these set of conditions!

 

Thanks so much for your help!!!

Hope to hear much more from you soon!

[Averic]

@Cracked

 

Is it? It seems that you have much experience with 2 stroke! Any comments between SP and R15 and R125? Would be great to hear from you!

[Averic]

Hi, sorry to post again. But what about Mito against SP? What is the maintenance and fuel consumption as compared to each other and is it hard to get mito's parts? Just want to be absolutely sure about something before i commit. Thanks!

[aaronlovesyou]

@averic Overhaul will definitely help. But issues with battery dying out, ac pump not working, etc these are common problems that comes with wear and tear..

 

@Cracked yes, maintenance will be about the same but the petrol you are gna pay for your 2 stroke will differ quite abit.

[aaronlovesyou]

sry double post

[Averic]

Do you mean by wear and tear as in the vehicle old age itself or riding conditions that causes it? Anyway, those issues such as batteries dies out and ac pump aren't expensive to fix right? Plus, if i take care of them properly will it still help?

[kiji]

hi, hope i can help.

as for looks i think is personal lar, so can't comment much on it. u like doesn't mean i like.

 

im riding r15 currently. is very easy to handle and very reliable. my friend is riding SP and they meet with wear and tear issues regularly. is like u compare a 10 year old kid and a 50 year old adult. as you are not going for speed and stuff, i think r15 will be better for you. if you want to be a racer, SP will be the one. not saying that R15 is slow, but two stroke will always be faster than a 4 stroke bike on straight roads. however R15 can go up to 146km/h(my top speed) which i think is enough. an Sp maybe 170km/h. thats the difference.

 

maintenance wise what is different is SP FC is double of R15 and you need to top up 2T. a SP FC maybe 20-25km/L, a r15 40-46km/L.

you can go malaysia to top up fuel, but also depends on where you stay. if you stay woodlands near custom then ok lor. even RS125 comes up with 4 stroke bike. cos they know maintenance can be a killer.

 

but it also depends if you are upgrading or you will be riding the bike for long. maybe if you are upgrading, can get a SP cos is cheap, insurance i think cheaper also if i not wrong. if you are taking for transport only and will be riding for long, get a R15, a new bike will also last longer and be more reliable than a 10 years bike.

 

i bought R15 cos i'm keeping it even though i'll upgrade or maybe not. cos riding a cls 2 bike, the FC is like driving a car.

[mild_slevin]

Do you mean by wear and tear as in the vehicle old age itself or riding conditions that causes it? Anyway, those issues such as batteries dies out and ac pump aren't expensive to fix right? Plus, if i take care of them properly will it still help?

 

wear n tear can be due to part aging.. one good example are steering cone and wheel bearing these are consumables which are beyond repair. In the engine, what we might be concern with are valve, piston rings, gasket, con rod etc... for SP, they been going through the combustion cycle for many donkey years and mileage (*unavoidable) but how prev owner maintain it shall be a mystery (*unless u bought it from someone u know with good service records) if its done faithfully wear n tear shall be at its minimal. For sure, if you take proper care of the bike, naturally things would be good... one thing you can buy a SP for less than 2k, happen to know from fellow ryder that some one bought it for a whopping 4k in 2010... *crazy

DO CHECK BACK in SBF if you are in doubt of the pricing... good luck!

[Averic]

Okay, learnt alot from you guys. For the R15 rider, i heard the wheels is terribly skinny and the back is small. So, can you change the wheels to a thicker size? As in much thicker. That would be nice. Also, 1L for 40 - 46km is a very good deal! I'm gonna ride the bike for long, to work and off work etc... So, as you mention your friend SP always has wear and tear issues. Are they taking care of it probably?

 

Can you tell me the insurance for your R15 and each time you pump petrol how much does it cost? And i stay in Batok.

 

@mild_slevin: Would it be wise if I get an SP from shop?

[Cracked]

if u want a transport bike, get a cub. If u want a sportsbike, get a sp/kr/rs125. Dun waste urself with "sportbikes" that run on a cub engine.

[Alexxander]

IMHO, your first bike should be as dirt cheap as possible in case you drop/fall/etc from the bike.

 

It will be a 'learning' bike for you after all, and it is but still only a transitional bike for you cos as you progress to the higher classes, you will want to change your bike, so no use spending a bomb on your first bike. That is what I did anyway.

 

Besides I have a friend who had the r125, dropped once, money come out from wallet many times.

 

I personally would recommend you to go for the SP. Safest bet! Good luck!

[mild_slevin]

Okay, learnt alot from you guys. For the R15 rider, i heard the wheels is terribly skinny and the back is small. So, can you change the wheels to a thicker size? As in much thicker. That would be nice. Also, 1L for 40 - 46km is a very good deal! I'm gonna ride the bike for long, to work and off work etc... So, as you mention your friend SP always has wear and tear issues. Are they taking care of it probably?

 

Can you tell me the insurance for your R15 and each time you pump petrol how much does it cost? And i stay in Batok.

 

@mild_slevin: Would it be wise if I get an SP from shop?

 

if you wanna change tire size for rear you have to watch out if its too wide that there isn't room to move freely in the rear hugger (*if there's one) or swing arm, does the rim (*would affect the profiling of the tire) able to accommodate that size.

 

you can get it from shop, but do beware of mouth dropping misc fee, transfer fee, processing fee etc etc.. (*again it varies frm shop to shop) some even re-paint the bike sparking new, but inside "internal" injuries which are not visible to our eyes.

[Averic]

Ahh i see, so i think reading from all the post i'd most probably still go for SP.. But i have one more option in mind which is the Mito. It is also a 2 stroke and its 125cc, so does that means the fuel consumption is lower and the maintenance is cheaper than the SP etc? Please advise.

 

So now its Mito against SP. Any opinions?

 

I'm not planning to upgrade to class 2A or 2 because I have a class 3 license already. I just want to use the bike for long term and for transport and I want a superbike because I love its looks and the size. Thats just my preference though.

 

Thanks alot guys ! Really helpful

[kiji]

If u wan to get SP for transport, might as well u drive car. The fuel consumtion is almost like car. The funny think about r15, although wheels may be abit skinny but is still very stable. U can change up to 120, which some guys did.

 

Personally I think it would not be wise to ride an old bike for long term.

[Averic]

@kiji: Really? A SP fuel consumption is almost like a car? But i would not be able to afford car anyway what... Haha! What do you meant by change up to 120? The size? What about Mito?

[themostestultimategenius]

@kiji: Really? A SP fuel consumption is almost like a car? But i would not be able to afford car anyway what... Haha! What do you meant by change up to 120? The size? What about Mito?

The SP will do about double what a car does.

 

SP vs Mito; get the Mito. It's better in all aspects except for the cost and maintenance. Insurance for the Mito will be cheaper though.

And looking through the previous posts, if you like the looks go for the Mito. It's got the same styling as the Ducati 916 with the exception of the underseat exhaust.

 

Fuel consumption wise, the Mito will use up more petrol when it is ridden hard but less when you are riding below 100KMPH and not revving it too high in the lower gears.

Maintenance is pretty much the same for both bikes. Parts for the Mito are much more costly than the equivilant parts for the SP. Easily 2x or more depending on which part.

In terms of safety, the Mito has fatter tyres (Front 110/70, Rear 150/60) as compared to the SP's (Frong 90/80, Rear 120/80).

The Mito has better brakes than the SP too. 4 Piston vs 2 Piston respectively. Suspension on the Mito gives way more confidence when cornering than the SP's does too.

Handling on the Mito is sharp and stable (all the way up to 180, which is as fast as I've tried). No wobble and a small amount of vibration. Not much in my opinion for a bike in its class. Smooth and powerful engine, but all the power is way up in the rev band.

The SP is light and easy to maneuver through traffic. Better riding posture than the Mito as it's pretty much upright and you barely have to lean forward. It has much more low down torque and power than the Mito has too. On the downside, it is wobbly and vibrates so much that my hands, balls and legs go numb. It has no power at the top end either and although it redlines at 11K RPM, power drops off at around 9.5K RPM and it doesn't rev as freely above 10K.

 

Hope this helps.

Edited December 1, 2010 by themostestultimategenius

[Averic]

Maintenance as in parts all those? What is the rough cost for a 2nd hand Mito in good condition?

[Blahhh]

If u wan to get SP for transport, might as well u drive car. The fuel consumtion is almost like car.

 

Are you sure we are on the same page here? We are talking about SP, not a KTM2. Looks like you never rode those bikes before and merely based your judgment on talk rather then experience.

 

My advice to you, get a SP if you want. Get an experienced rider to come with you, one that preferably has ridden a 2 stroke bike before.

 

If I were to recommend a 2b bike, it would be the Y2K RS125. Decently priced, famed for its handling (second best cornering bike in its time) and quite powerful.

[kiji]

Are you sure we are on the same page here? We are talking about SP, not a KTM2. Looks like you never rode those bikes before and merely based your judgment on talk rather then experience.

 

My advice to you, get a SP if you want. Get an experienced rider to come with you, one that preferably has ridden a 2 stroke bike before.

 

If I were to recommend a 2b bike, it would be the Y2K RS125. Decently priced, famed for its handling (second best cornering bike in its time) and quite powerful.

 

hmm, i never ride a two stroke before. but my friends rides SP. so i know how much is the FC. before i ride, i drive a lancer. the FC for it is 14km/L. SP FC is 20-26 km/L, depending on how you ride. a 6-10km difference only. is u are one who ride long distance everyday, 6-10km difference is not alot. ya, i agree if you are upgrading, is better to ride SP, cos is cheaper. but he is not and he is not looking for speed. He looks into more looks and maintenance. which a 4 stroke bike will suit him better than a 2 stroke

[Averic]

Yupp, but what about Mito? I'm sure Mito is cheaper than R125 right? Because 4 stroke i will only get the R125 but its expensive.

[kiji]

i think you should think about what is your total budget u willing to spend. the take away about 1k for insurance. then u see what is the available choices. is easier cos it narrow down your choices.

[Averic]

Yupp, thats why I'm asking about the cost price for a good condition 2nd hand Mito and the insurance and also the fuel consumption of the Mito. I've read up about SP in this forum and I know the fuel consumption is 1L= 23km etc... Then what about Mito? I originally planned for SP which my budget is $2500 ($1100 for insurance)($1400 downpayment) after that my monthly installements will not be expensive. But i don't mind paying more for Mito if its within my budget!

 

So themostestultimategenius you said that you have ride Mito before, so can you provide me with these information? Thanks alot for your help