[Group] Kawasaki Zs Lovers

[DrRipper]

The Kawasaki Z750 is quite fuel efficient for a Cl2 bike, I pumped 14.5L to the rim after travel for 268km which equate to 18.48km/L. Travelling 80% high way and 20% city, average speed about 100-110km/h, tire pressure front 36psi, rear 42psi as per recommended by manufacturer. Fuel tank capacity is 18 L hence it can go till 330km

 

Wow! wish I can have that for my Z1 :sob: my crapping at 13.5 avg

[Kaoiwas]

The Kawasaki Z750 is quite fuel efficient for a Cl2 bike, I pumped 14.5L to the rim after travel for 268km which equate to 18.48km/L. Travelling 80% high way and 20% city, average speed about 100-110km/h, tire pressure front 36psi, rear 42psi as per recommended by manufacturer. Fuel tank capacity is 18 L hence it can go till 330km

 

That's about right for the 750. The 1000 is supossed to averahe 15-16 km/l. I get about 14.5 now...

[DrRipper]

Elan,

 

Can the I-con switch maps w/o a computer, kinda like the PCV? Have a map for city and 1 for fun Still need a good mech to tune it well right?

[Kaoiwas]

Elan,

 

Can the I-con switch maps w/o a computer, kinda like the PCV? Have a map for city and 1 for fun Still need a good mech to tune it well right?

 

It can store 2 maps. No need computer apparently. The device has an lcd display with the a/f ratio and required info. If u understand the technicals of a/f ratio, hp, torque, and rpm (which i think most of us do) u can tune urself without comp or dyno. I'm sure its trial and error also.

 

Only difference i can think of is dyne has loading... self tune have to juz tune according to rpm in neutral.

[DrRipper]

Any self-tuning piggyback system (such as PCV with autotune module) needs a close enough map to start with. Then the system will perfect the A/F ratio as you ride. The more you ride (consistent style), the better the bike is tuned. This however will require a close loop system with O2 sensors.

 

As far as I know, I-Con don't use O2 sensors and has no autotune function. You tune it manually like a carb bike, either dyno or by ear. So it also use a base map to get you close? But as it's so rare, a proper base map will be hard to find unless you dyno it once (or get a good old fashion mech).

 

Our Gen1 doesn't have O2 sensor. So unless you know how to tune bikes, it's almost no better than a PC3. Dang but whew, no need to spend money if that's all I'm getting

[S750WP]

Wow! wish I can have that for my Z1 :sob: my crapping at 13.5 avg

 

Your FC is slightly better than my Hyundai Getz approx 12km/l 90% highway 10% City driving.

[S750WP]

double post

[lost4love]

Any self-tuning piggyback system (such as PCV with autotune module) needs a close enough map to start with. Then the system will perfect the A/F ratio as you ride. The more you ride (consistent style), the better the bike is tuned. This however will require a close loop system with O2 sensors.

 

As far as I know, I-Con don't use O2 sensors and has no autotune function. You tune it manually like a carb bike, either dyno or by ear. So it also use a base map to get you close? But as it's so rare, a proper base map will be hard to find unless you dyno it once (or get a good old fashion mech).

 

Our Gen1 doesn't have O2 sensor. So unless you know how to tune bikes, it's almost no better than a PC3. Dang but whew, no need to spend money if that's all I'm getting

 

I-Con has base map, but u need to refine tune it. Dyno is first step, after which is road tuning.

 

I tuned 3 times to get the best result out, and f/c is 18km/l at least. One tank for z1000, reserve light blink at 300km onwards.

[DrRipper]

I-Con has base map, but u need to refine tune it. Dyno is first step, after which is road tuning.

 

I tuned 3 times to get the best result out, and f/c is 18km/l at least. One tank for z1000, reserve light blink at 300km onwards.

 

Was waiting for you to reply since you're the only I know that had 1.

 

That's pretty good mileage. You tune it 3 times on the road using the remote? Who has the equipment to connect to it? HKL, racewerk? Or BLR includes the software and standard USB port for map download?

 

Thanks.

[lost4love]

Was waiting for you to reply since you're the only I know that had 1.

 

That's pretty good mileage. You tune it 3 times on the road using the remote? Who has the equipment to connect to it? HKL, racewerk? Or BLR includes the software and standard USB port for map download?

 

Thanks.

 

 

tuned by using on board controller. Anyway, as long as u learn the function button for, u can adjust abit during road tuning on own.

 

to me, i find it convenient as i can fine tuned it abit by myself, rather then use laptop.

 

Function of it itself, is just basic air/fuel controller but convenient to user. It may not be the best on the market but it is the most convenient item to use.

[S750WP]

Will the PC3 usb be able to tune like the HKS ICON piggy back, only know PC5 has the Autotune mode but not available for 04 Z750.

 

I installed the PC firmware on my laptop to explore but clueless on where to start from, only know how to transfer map from Laptop to PC only. Needs some expert for guidance else only waste $$.

[DrRipper]

PowerCommander can only be "tuned" by messing with the map on the computer. You really need to know how to use the software to create maps and how to tune an engine. You can set how much fuel to put out at pretty small rpm steps (i.e. alot of points). Once the map is created, you download it from the computer to the PC. If there's an autotune module, then the module will fine tune the map further as you ride, using a wideband (not the stock narrowband ones that come with newer closed loop EFI bikes) O2 sensor to monitor AFR.

 

The I-con is very manual and you tune like a carb bike, i.e. add more fuel, reduce the fuel. Think you can still do that at ~15 points across the rpm range compare to a carb where there's only the idle mixture screw to tweak. Main jet needs to be changed instead of adjusted.

 

Think PC5 may work. It came out only for the later years FZ1 (Gen2) but I've seen people with earlier years (still Gen 2) use it.

 

Without a wideband O2 sensor, you can forget about autotune. Gen 1 Z1 is running open loop so we're on our own. Doubt Z750 has it but I'm not sure.

[S750WP]

PowerCommander can only be "tuned" by messing with the map on the computer. You really need to know how to use the software to create maps and how to tune an engine. You can set how much fuel to put out at pretty small rpm steps (i.e. alot of points). Once the map is created, you download it from the computer to the PC. If there's an autotune module, then the module will fine tune the map further as you ride, using a wideband (not the stock narrowband ones that come with newer closed loop EFI bikes) O2 sensor to monitor AFR.

 

The I-con is very manual and you tune like a carb bike, i.e. add more fuel, reduce the fuel. Think you can still do that at ~15 points across the rpm range compare to a carb where there's only the idle mixture screw to tweak. Main jet needs to be changed instead of adjusted.

 

Think PC5 may work. It came out only for the later years FZ1 (Gen2) but I've seen people with earlier years (still Gen 2) use it.

 

Without a wideband O2 sensor, you can forget about autotune. Gen 1 Z1 is running open loop so we're on our own. Doubt Z750/ has it but I'm not sure.

Excerpt from PC website

 

AutoTune for Power Commander V

The Auto Tune kit monitors the fuel mixture (by installing the included Wide Band O2 sensor in the exhaust). It then sends this information to the Power Commander V and automatically corrects it while you ride. Each map that we offer has preset Air/Fuel ratio values included that we find to be the best overall settings. This lets you simply plug in the unit and let it do the work. For Harley Davidson models we ever monitor and adjust each cylinder individually for increased precision as on these models required fueling can vary significantly between the front and rear cylinder.

 

http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/Images/Banners/pcv_complete_acc_layout.jpg

 

The wide band O2 sensor is available in the auto tune kit with all the necessary accessories to install on your exhaust.

http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/Products/AutoTune/powercommander_autotune.aspx and you can download the custome map for your bike model but the problem is PC5 is not available for 04 Z750/Z1000 even if we use PC5 for later model the connectors may not fit.

Edited January 20, 2011 by S750WP

[S750WP]

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y315/jasrace/IMG_5044.jpg

 

This is the PC3 USB for 04 Z750/Z1000 notice the connector is different from the PC5, even the connector fits the pin configuration maybe different.

[DrRipper]

Elan,

 

What size rotors are you gonna use and with what calipers?

[S750WP]

http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/Images/Graphs/autotune_graph_1_l.jpg

 

This is similar to PC3 map for tuning, I have no idea what value the throttle position to change at each rpm?

[DrRipper]

Guess they change the connector with the newer gen z1, unlike the case with the FZ1.

 

Guess you're stuck with the PC3 unless you gonna get the I-con. Think some of the guys are planning for a bulk order. Talk to Kaoiwas.

[Kaoiwas]

Elan,

 

What size rotors are you gonna use and with what calipers?

 

310mm zx14 ones. zx14 calipers also with 5mm spacers.

[Kaoiwas]

Guess they change the connector with the newer gen z1, unlike the case with the FZ1.

 

Guess you're stuck with the PC3 unless you gonna get the I-con. Think some of the guys are planning for a bulk order. Talk to Kaoiwas.

 

pcv have to mod e connector. btw, the autotune does not really "autotune" leh... It monitors what needs to be monitored on the dyno, then you can download the results and then use the software to tune on ur own. it's not really plug & play. Combined u r looking at arnd $1k or so for the both...

[DrRipper]

I thought it is an autotune module like thundermax and not a monitoring module like ducati's. It's bloddy expensive to get the whole set.

 

zx14 rotor no mod other than caliper spacer? From any machine shop?

 

Think I screwed up something. I'll need bigger rotors too for the zx10 caliper. Think 310 no need rotor but 320 does. Will try to mount this weekend to get a more accurate measurement.

[DrRipper]

I thought it is an autotune module like thundermax and not a monitoring module like ducati's. It's bloddy expensive to get the whole set.

 

zx14 rotor no mod other than caliper spacer? From any machine shop?

 

Think I screwed up something. I'll need bigger rotors too for the zx10 caliper. Think 310 no need rotor but 320 does. Will try to mount this weekend to get a more accurate measurement.

[S750WP]

pcv have to mod e connector. btw, the autotune does not really "autotune" leh... It monitors what needs to be monitored on the dyno, then you can download the results and then use the software to tune on ur own. it's not really plug & play. Combined u r looking at arnd $1k or so for the both...

 

But the PC website says

 

The Auto Tune kit monitors the fuel mixture (by installing the included Wide Band O2 sensor in the exhaust). It then sends this information to the Power Commander V and automatically corrects it while you ride

[ralliart_ray]

Just saw a 2011 green z1000 around DTE, wooot!

[S750WP]

My second tank clock 319km and pump 16L to the brim equate to 19.9km/l, the improvement is after I inflate to the correct tire pressure 36psi front and 42psi rear.

[Kaoiwas]

My second tank clock 319km and pump 16L to the brim equate to 19.9km/l, the improvement is after I inflate to the correct tire pressure 36psi front and 42psi rear.

 

Wah... How u ride bro? What style? What rmp change gear???