Magna 750

[william_liu]

IMHO, they should have kept the shaft drive....... *sigh*

[nights]

Originally posted by william_liu@Apr 28 2005, 10:31 AM

IMHO, they should have kept the shaft drive....... *sigh*

Shaft driven will have lower top end if you were to ask me. I personally thought that chain driven is the best final drive for Magna 750 to show its potential power.

[Throttle]

Chain for the Magna 750 really maxes its power potential .

 

shafts better be left for the viragos.....

 

 

 

a V4 shaft driven would be like a tiger on a leash

[William Tan]

Where did you see this Magna 750? Know of any other places selling?

[william_liu]

The V-Max is a V4 with shaft...... Think it worked quite well together!

 

Methinks Honda should have upped the cubes to compensate, rather than switching to chain... different people different tastes I suppose!

[nights]

Originally posted by william_liu@Apr 28 2005, 04:04 PM

The V-Max is a V4 with shaft...... Think it worked quite well together!

 

Methinks Honda should have upped the cubes to compensate, rather than switching to chain... different people different tastes I suppose!

Having shaft on Magna will overkill the bike. Why did I say so? Firstly you have to take into consideration of the overall bike weight and engine capacity. Vmax is on 1200cc while Magna only 750cc, giving Magna a shaft driven will only give it more weight which will ended up losing more top end. In reality, Magna is actually lighter than Vmax thus in my opinion, is senseless to give it a shaft drive. You might want to take a look at the below test.

 

HONDA MAGNA

Wet weight: 539 lbs.

Wheelbase: 65.0 in.

Seat height: 28.0

Engine type: Liquid-cooled 45-degree V-4

Valve arrangement: DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder

Displacement: 748cc

Carburetion: 4, 34mm CV

Final Drive: Chain

Rake/trail: 32 degrees/5.2 in.

Front tire: 120/80-17

Rear tire: 150/80-17

Front brake: 1-piston caliper, 12.4-in. disc

Rear brake: Single-leading-shoe drum

200-yard top-gear acceleration from 50 mph, terminal speed: 73.0 mph

Quarter-mile acceleration: 12.71 sec., 102.9 mph

 

YAMAHA V-MAX

Wet weight: 618 lbs.

Wheelbase: 62.6 in.

Seat height: 30.1 in.

Engine type: Liquid-cooled 70-degree V-4

Valve arrangement: DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder

Displacement: 1198cc

Carburetion: 4, 35mm CV

Final Drive: Shaft

Rake/trail: 29 degrees/4.7 in.

Front tire: 110/90V19

Rear tire: 150/90V15

Front brake: 2, 4-piston calipers, 11.7-in.discs

Rear brake: 2-piston caliper, 11.1-in. disc

200-yard top-gear acceleration from 50 mph, terminal speed: 81.6 mph

Quarter-mile acceleration: 11.62 sec., 116.9 mph

 

So you see, in term of value, Magna is quite a value buy if you were to ask me, the different in engine capacity is around 450cc so you can see what a chain drive can do if you were to add another 450cc to Magna and see it outrunning the Vmax.

[william_liu]

Take for example recently Honda has switched the chain-drive of the Shadow 750 to a shaft-drive..... the only reason I can think of why was that many customers gave feedback or requested for the changes.

 

It's true that if you're looking for performance from your cruiser, chain-drive would be the way to go. But most people who buy cruisers aren't really looking for serious performance in the first place...

 

Anyway it's been a good discussion on this topic, but ultimately it will boil down to the preference of the rider/owner, and it shows that there's no one bike that will suit everyone perfectly!

[Throttle]

Look at it from this point of view:-

Imagine how much quicker the VMAX would be if it were chain driven...........

 

At the end of the day, both chain and shaft driven trannies are proven effective.

 

chain can transmit power better and shaft is smoother, you cant have best of both worlds, that's all.

[Intruder]

Hahaha...VMAX is a beast! Nothing can chain it down.... Give it a chain, the chain may got to change in very short usage term....Cos the Vboost will drag n stretch the chain very fast. Let see if any MT-01 owner change their chain frequently.

 

Like Throttle said shaft can't unleash the true power of the machine. But this is also wat i like, heavier engine brake, smooth and quiet . And least maintenance on chain tightening n frequent change of chain.....

 

Chain drive got quicker, lighter response, power transmission efficiency can be quite good. Sprocket ratio can be manipulated. But sometime the loose crackling chain can be irritating.

 

Shaft is smooth and quiet good braking response too...To have the power to cheong also must have the good stopping force to hold the monster. Though engine brake only, but i like to play ard with it tactfully loh.

 

Nights, great details you gaves...

 

"The chain got to changed becos the stretch force stretch the chain,

change the chain ofteb becos chain need to be changed,

and soon the chain bike also got to change......"

[nights]

Originally posted by william_liu@Apr 28 2005, 04:52 PM

Take for example recently Honda has switched the chain-drive of the Shadow 750 to a shaft-drive..... the only reason I can think of why was that many customers gave feedback or requested for the changes.

 

It's true that if you're looking for performance from your cruiser, chain-drive would be the way to go. But most people who buy cruisers aren't really looking for serious performance in the first place...

 

Anyway it's been a good discussion on this topic, but ultimately it will boil down to the preference of the rider/owner, and it shows that there's no one bike that will suit everyone perfectly!

From the official website, the reason why Shadow 750 was upgrade to shaft driven was to answer maintenance free that all.

 

The reason why you can sometime find a chain-driven crusier are mainly due to performance issue on small engine capacity bike.

 

Most big twin bikes are running on either shaft or belt as the engine capacity doesn't depreciate the performance much on an average and maintenance free is what a cruiser rider usually look for.

[Throttle]

exactly, cruisers are shaft driven becos the performance factor is not as crucial as the maintenance free and smoothness factor.

 

small cruisers or bikes have chain becos it is really the most cost effective for the manufacturer....THAT IS THE REAL REASON......

 

not point for manufacturer to spend a disproportionate amount on the shaft if the bike is meant to be lower cost.

 

 

I really enjoyed my PC800T which was smooth and quiet with a shaft drive....perfect combi

[Intruder]

Originally posted by Throttle@Apr 28 2005, 09:53 PM

exactly, cruisers are shaft driven becos the performance factor is not as crucial as the maintenance free and smoothness factor.

 

small cruisers or bikes have chain becos it is really the most cost effective for the manufacturer....THAT IS THE REAL REASON......

 

not point for manufacturer to spend a disproportionate amount on the shaft if the bike is meant to be lower cost.

 

 

I really enjoyed my PC800T which was smooth and quiet with a shaft drive....perfect combi

Throttle, you also have riden the PC800? How's the handling of it. Thtat is one of my favourite bike. Almost got it last year, but due to certain reasons, i pulled out from the deal.

[Throttle]

I bot the PC800T brand new, silver color in 1997. then only 3 silver ones in Singapore.

 

A very very comfortable bike which proved to be very versatile, in terms of cruising in Malaysia as well as City driving in Singapore. the boot is really solid and can fit every damn thing inside such as 2 full face helmets, rainwear, shoes, tools, drinks etc.....

 

I really enjoyed my PC800T. Finally sold it in 2002 with less than 40,000 mileage as I didnt ride so often.

 

beautiful styling , smooth control and excellent convenience.

 

thumbs up for the PC800T

[tre]

Ok got some questions hopefully the experienced lao jiaos can help me answer, i don't know much about cruisers but i like the old magna (45 degree exhaust one) & thinking maybe to get.

 

Are spare parts still available & where can i get them...Is it going to be like rare & expensive to get everytime i wanna change something or service / repair the bike? Finally, is it relatively expensive to maintain & ride (ie. if comparing to running cost of like Super 4..i know different type bikes but just comparing running costs.)

 

Thanks bros.

[Intruder]

Originally posted by tre@Apr 29 2005, 11:14 PM

Ok got some questions hopefully the experienced lao jiaos can help me answer, i don't know much about cruisers but i like the old magna (45 degree exhaust one) & thinking maybe to get.

 

Are spare parts still available & where can i get them...Is it going to be like rare & expensive to get everytime i wanna change something or service / repair the bike? Finally, is it relatively expensive to maintain & ride (ie. if comparing to running cost of like Super 4..i know different type bikes but just comparing running costs.)

 

Thanks bros.

The old V45 Magna is a rare bike in Singapore. Age of the bike may also a factor contribute to the lack of abundant spares. Therefore sparepart maybe also expensive. S4 is different, tons of them rolling on the road, sparepart go to any shop and say 'for SUPER 4...' chances of getting is higher.

[tre]

Ok Intruder bro...thks for the valuable input

[Throttle]

old V45 Mag is gonna be a little tough to maintain as per Intruder's post.

 

unless, you also enjoy driving cars like old MGs and alfas, i 'll say stay away.

[tre]

Hi Throttle...yeah i get the picture, I appreciate vintage cars like MG but as for being willing to put up with servicing / repair inconvenience & cost, well er.........

thks for giving a clearer idea of the situation Throttle

[rasmy]

Hi Throttle,

 

Your 250km is after your modification of tank or? Not sure which year make is your Magna 750 but the review I read is of 1999 thus, reckon for the information on fuel consumption, Shadow Ace win hands down even at high rpm perhaps there is some changes over the year?

 

The reason why I said Magna 750 is not as touring friendly as the Shadow Ace 750 is due to the fuel consumption when riding at higher speed as V4 does consume more fuel.

 

Other than the above, Magna 750 is a great muscle bike that can outrun a Honda Valkyrie or any big twins.

 

Cheers.

 

 

I get Max 140 km out of my 1994 Magna (very good condition) before hitting the reserve!!!

 

Do you think I have a problem or is it normal!? if it is not normal, what might be the cause for high fuel consumption?

 

Thanks

[slkl]

Any brudders riding a magna750 here?

 

How much average is a 2nd hand FP plate Magna? Saw a FP plate selling @ $5.5k, average condition.

my 2 cts. Magna should be quite rare now. sometimes even if you want to buy you may not be able to get one and therefore 5.5 k may not be expensive if you really like the bike. My advice is, you must really like it then you will find it is worth your money. But do at least get the owner to do up the condition first as old bike tends to be dififficult to get spares.

 

Magna is a wonderful bike. If you have ridden a magna and shadow, you probable wouldn't want to ride the shadow. I know cos i have ridden both

[X-ilED]

my 2 cts. Magna should be quite rare now. sometimes even if you want to buy you may not be able to get one and therefore 5.5 k may not be expensive if you really like the bike. My advice is, you must really like it then you will find it is worth your money. But do at least get the owner to do up the condition first as old bike tends to be dififficult to get spares.

 

Magna is a wonderful bike. If you have ridden a magna and shadow, you probable wouldn't want to ride the shadow. I know cos i have ridden both

 

 

 

 

bro the quote u replied to is close to 3 years ago.................

[slkl]

bro the quote u replied to is close to 3 years ago.................

haha

 

didn't realise that. I would have grab the bike at 5.5k 3 years ago...

[nojam]

hahaha! chill out bro.. nice thread to bring up though...

i have a few question of my own.

V-max is off production and is now classified under endangered right?

actually, like some of the replies in here, my personal opinion is that i would go for shaft driven instead of chain driven anytime. well, i guess it's for the maintenance! and i dont need to go 300km/h do i?

 

i want my magna!!!!

[Throttle]

wow , revival of the Magna750 thread......

 

cool, enjoy folks

[shafarin]

Cool... anybody selling theirs yet? Petrol now expensive you know... anybody wanna downgrade? hee hee...