MotoGP 1 spec tyre rules....views?

[NoLogicOne]

Dorna made proposal for a 1 spec tyre for the next yr in MotoGP. This raised because some riders (the likes of Rossi and Pedrosa) deemed the tyre rule is a failure, therefore losing their moojo. Another part reason is that with the success Bridgestone achieved this year, many more riders are requesting for the winning rubber, since the rule is gonna stay. However Bridgestone is unwillingly to cater for more riders, even to Rossi nor Pedrosa. This even sparked a contradicting statement made by new HRC boss Masumi Hamane that he will try as much as possible to get Bridgestone for Dani Boy, even when Bridgestone Boss already said "unable to", which shortly after that, Dorna made the possible one spec tyre proposal which now make everyone suspect it's going to be Bridgestone, because Michelin threatens to withdraw should the French manufacturer loses Yammie and Honda factory bikes deal.

 

Dorna's reason is simple. They are losing $$$ due to runaway races from the "wrong guy" winning because of the new tyre rules. Europe and Spain viewing dropped to the same level as WSBK, which is almost half of the previous MotoGP season. Simply to say, Europe wants to see Rossi and Pedrosa winning, but they could not, and Dorna is losing sales, therefore, desperately wanting to implement this rule.

 

What are your views on this possible step with the likes of F1, WSBK, and almost every other races around the globe? Is it for the better or for the worse in this pinnacle racing of prototype, full bred, race blooded MotoGP series?

[ambasnakeman]

if they want to make tyre 1 spec, might as well make machine 1 spec too.

[spiderman]

Time to see who is the real champion now

[kingpet47]

i strongly agrees wif this 1 spec tyre rule.... wif the success stories in F1 n wsbk i dun c y dorna shouldnt follow suit.... if anything goes wrong wif rossi or pedrosa not winning atleast they cn juz blame on their machines n nt giving excuse of tyre not lasting or watsoever.... even the AMA is using a 1 tyre rule if i'm not wrong... they using dunlops....

 

well i'm all for the better of the sports.....

[kingpet47]

if they want to make tyre 1 spec, might as well make machine 1 spec too.

 

they should all compete in the r6 cup i suppose....

[NoLogicOne]

i strongly agrees wif this 1 spec tyre rule.... wif the success stories in F1 n wsbk i dun c y dorna shouldnt follow suit.... if anything goes wrong wif rossi or pedrosa not winning atleast they cn juz blame on their machines n nt giving excuse of tyre not lasting or watsoever.... even the AMA is using a 1 tyre rule if i'm not wrong... they using dunlops....

 

well i'm all for the better of the sports.....

 

AMA not really 1 spec tyre. There's Pirelli in the SuperSports.

[NoLogicOne]

The whole package about racing is rider, bike, tyres. Each are well balanced and closely knitted to one another. One of them change, affects the other 2.

 

The worry is that, what if the 1 spec tyre company do not improve the tyre tech as the competition now? It will definately not let the bike evolved as much as the manufacturer wanted to.

 

I guess as long as the tyre development is gonna be as happening as how it is now with the MichLopStone is doing, it would be actually a good thing. But if it's gonna slow down development (not pushing it as no other company to fight with), or special tyres going to the top of the food chain (factory teams first), Dorna might as well dun ever suggest anything in future.

 

The most special thing about this whole thing is mainly because MotoGP are race prototypes built for racing purpose only. Desmocidici is well....wait till they built the first one and wait for review by Mandy Mamola. I still dun believe it's a 100% GP bike for the road, but hell, who am I to even suspect it's credibility?

 

Guys, do post your views on the 1 spec tyres, whichever you think should be right. It's open discussion, and we have racers here, so maybe they can share their views.

[gnayed]

Good and bad. At least if it's 1-spec, no one gets to complain if Casey wins again. Then again, who knows they might start making 1-spec bikes also, cause Duke too powerful? It's crap IMO.

 

Like you said, I think the regulations should stay the way it is, because it benefits consumers. More competition = More R&D.

[kingpet47]

Good and bad. At least if it's 1-spec, no one gets to complain if Casey wins again. Then again, who knows they might start making 1-spec bikes also, cause Duke too powerful? It's crap IMO.

 

Like you said, I think the regulations should stay the way it is, because it benefits consumers. More competition = More R&D.

 

i 2nd dat!!!

[Sesshou]

i think the present rules is great. No ones (factory teams) will get "special" treatment of custom tires over night. So everyone is using , what the tires manufacturer carries to the race. fair ground to all the riders ( esp the smaller teams)

[NoLogicOne]

Good and bad. At least if it's 1-spec, no one gets to complain if Casey wins again. Then again, who knows they might start making 1-spec bikes also, cause Duke too powerful? It's crap IMO.

 

Like you said, I think the regulations should stay the way it is, because it benefits consumers. More competition = More R&D.

 

Ya, lots of riders are kindda thinking that with the MichLopStone companies, there would be a trickle down of MotoGP rubber magik, in the form of BT014? Ha, ok, that was a joke.....nowadays Bridgestone (BT-002) and Michelin (Power Race) claims the "MotoGP R&D" in their advertisements. I like the Diablo Supercorsa (tried once), especially when you see couple of Gixxer 600s in AMA and all the World Supersports world class racers ride their bikes on the same tyres like madman, it sure gives a noobie like me lots of inspiration.

 

Actually, now if you observe the speed traps, you realise that Dani on the Honda is getting up to speed on the straights, and so are the Kawis who are starting to be mighty fast after the recent engine level up.

 

Philip Island would be a good place to observe how the rest of the field already are up on par in terms of speed with the Duc in the shadows cast by the glimmers of "tyre war".

[NoLogicOne]

i think the present rules is great. No ones (factory teams) will get "special" treatment of custom tires over night. So everyone is using , what the tires manufacturer carries to the race. fair ground to all the riders ( esp the smaller teams)

 

Yes, you are very right. Even Dunlop who had the same geographic advantages also did not make custom overnight rubber cookies back then.

 

You know did Bridgestone do that when they race in Motegi before when the tyre rules was not in effect?

 

But yet again, prototype racing with prototype tyres, is not Michelin stretching R&D bandwidth with this state of the art overnight specials? If Dorna allows a pair of "specials" in the allocation, would it be a good idea? It would be like a gamble for Michelin top riders, meaning they tagged 29 tyres instead of 31 like the rest of the other teams if they choose to use a pair of "specials" for race day? Just like how Bridgestone Randy DePuniet would put extra QP tyres for his allocation and lessen his race tyre choice.

 

[NoLogicOne]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63271

 

Ezpeleta plays down control tyre plan

 

By Michele Lostia and Matt Beer:- Saturday, October 13th 2007, 08:00 GMT

 

Dorna boss Carmelo Ezpeleta says the imposition of a control tyre in MotoGP next season is now less likely than when the plan was mooted last month.

 

The series' rights-holder floated the proposal in the Grand Prix Commission meeting at Motegi and promised that a decision would be taken by the Malaysian Grand Prix.

 

But in Australia Ezpeleta hinted to Gazzetta dello Sport that he had been playing devil's advocate when he suggested ending the tyre war.

 

"Nothing's decided yet, but today the single tyre is less certain that it was Motegi," Ezpeleta was quoted as saying.

 

"I'm the first one at being in favour of an open competition in what is the pinnacle of two-wheel racing. But we couldn't go on this way.

 

"What I said in Japan kickstarted what I wanted: that is for the companies concerned to put their own personal interests on a side in order to make the championship more interesting.

 

"The decision that will be taken by the GP Commission next Saturday ahead of the Malaysian race is still uncertain, but at this point it's more likely that things will stay as they are now."

 

The control tyre proposal came after a series of uneventful races in which Bridgestone held a clear advantage over Michelin, and amid complaints from Michelin riders and teams that it was impossible for them to compete for victory in the current situation.

 

"Immediately after my words the tyre constructors stepped forward and, all of a sudden, the situation changed," Ezpeleta continued.

 

"Michelin, who had always said in the past it isn't interested in a single tyre, said that it could take a step back having seen the situation because leaving racing would mean putting 30,000 work places in danger. So, they better invest some more money in racing to improve this year's situation.

 

"To Bridgestone I explained clearly that, in case of a single tyre, it wasn't absolutely a given that the chosen one would be the best regarded name. And to have a single tyre supplier meant that one of the two would have left completely.

 

"So, it's better to find an agreement. I think they have, but in the end it's me setting the rules."

[Sesshou]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63271

 

Ezpeleta plays down control tyre plan

 

By Michele Lostia and Matt Beer:- Saturday, October 13th 2007, 08:00 GMT

 

Dorna boss Carmelo Ezpeleta says the imposition of a control tyre in MotoGP next season is now less likely than when the plan was mooted last month.

 

The series' rights-holder floated the proposal in the Grand Prix Commission meeting at Motegi and promised that a decision would be taken by the Malaysian Grand Prix.

 

But in Australia Ezpeleta hinted to Gazzetta dello Sport that he had been playing devil's advocate when he suggested ending the tyre war.

 

"Nothing's decided yet, but today the single tyre is less certain that it was Motegi," Ezpeleta was quoted as saying.

 

"I'm the first one at being in favour of an open competition in what is the pinnacle of two-wheel racing. But we couldn't go on this way.

 

"What I said in Japan kickstarted what I wanted: that is for the companies concerned to put their own personal interests on a side in order to make the championship more interesting.

 

"The decision that will be taken by the GP Commission next Saturday ahead of the Malaysian race is still uncertain, but at this point it's more likely that things will stay as they are now."

 

The control tyre proposal came after a series of uneventful races in which Bridgestone held a clear advantage over Michelin, and amid complaints from Michelin riders and teams that it was impossible for them to compete for victory in the current situation.

 

"Immediately after my words the tyre constructors stepped forward and, all of a sudden, the situation changed," Ezpeleta continued.

 

"Michelin, who had always said in the past it isn't interested in a single tyre, said that it could take a step back having seen the situation because leaving racing would mean putting 30,000 work places in danger. So, they better invest some more money in racing to improve this year's situation.

 

"To Bridgestone I explained clearly that, in case of a single tyre, it wasn't absolutely a given that the chosen one would be the best regarded name. And to have a single tyre supplier meant that one of the two would have left completely.

 

"So, it's better to find an agreement. I think they have, but in the end it's me setting the rules."

 

 

 

dorna sucks....just b'cos some of the fav riders is not winning races:sian:

[NoLogicOne]

This seems to be the likely case here. Imagine if it is #46 1st, #26 2nd, all Bridgestones riders in any order, followed by Michelin/Dunlop riders in the championship standings, it is NOT a tyre war to Dorna.

 

There has been new agreements within the tyre manufacturers.

 

According to Dennis Noyes of SpeedTV.com,

 

* The number of tires made available to each rider will be raised from 31 to 40. Noyes has no details on how that will be split between front and rear, but it is likely to be either 17 fronts and 23 rears, or 18 fronts and 22 rears;

 

* Tire selection will no longer have to be made on Thursday afternoon, before anyone has set foot on track, but after the first free practice session, giving the riders and their engineers some data to base tire selection on;

 

* Michelin has agreed not to press for the right to fly tires in overnight;

 

* Tire makers will supply any team that asks them, and tires will be supplied at "a reasonable price," whatever that may mean.

 

Hmm, not bad.....seems good.

[ambasnakeman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NZtAn1sQI

 

a video of this nature is needed to promote motogp

[kingpet47]

my support is on the white team......

 

go whites...................!!!!!!

[Tortise]

1 tyre rule? they should all use GOLDEN BOY tyres on RXZ.

 

[NoLogicOne]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NZtAn1sQI

 

a video of this nature is needed to promote motogp

 

Fahwahahahaha................yeah, right on!!!! Maybe in future, the umbrella gals would roll the bike onto the grid, and the racers hold umbrella for them. They will exchange position after the gals done the sighting lap for the racers. For once, all bikes from 125 ~ MotoGP would compulsorily mount the rear camera so we can see them gals hang off on the bikes.

 

Dorna, you are given "Lamest Company of the year award" by SBF members.

 

 

[NoLogicOne]

1 tyre rule? they should all use GOLDEN BOY tyres on RXZ.

 

 

Surprisingly, WSBK Chairman felt that One Spec Tyre though worked for SBK, but is not to be for "prototyped" racings.

[Tortise]

Surprisingly, WSBK Chairman felt that One Spec Tyre though worked for SBK, but is not to be for "prototyped" racings.

 

i think so too.

 

and 1 make tyres doesn't guarantee fair competition. there are always 'special tyre' cases. they may all be the same brand but still there are different grades of rubber. it's happened on WSBK before and may well happen in the GP class. i wun be surprised that if they use Michelin, rossi will win every race.

 

and i think those prototype machines differ by a lot in terms of specs between one bike from another, unlike wsbk machines that basically are almost the same throughout.

[NoLogicOne]

and i think those prototype machines differ by a lot in terms of specs between one bike from another, unlike wsbk machines that basically are almost the same throughout.

 

That's the 9 inch nail to drive into Dorna.

[NoLogicOne]

Latest update is the decision by Dorna and the teams will be on Oct 26 after a mass meeting. Each tyre manufacturers will be given the proposal on Tue before coming together on Fri to discuss. We should know the actual results after that.

 

Please, no!!! *keeps finger crossed*

 

Rossi would very likely be the only Yammie on Bridgestones and Dani is also trying to get it. It would be a great risk and tough work on Rossi being the only Yammie on Bridgestone. Jorge will not be happy cuz he's supposed to have "same-same" package as Rossi. Plus what if Michelins buckled up their seatbelts and became the "golden tyre" again? What would Rossi do? Ah, what a great 2008 MotoGP in suspense!