Raizin Voltage Stabilizers..

[Prestone]

Hey, you can throw your money into the toilet if you want to. I own a "voltage stabilizer". I've tested it. I've taken it apart to see how it works and what it is made of. I've watched bikes be dyno'ed with and without the device. I have been unable to find real, independent substantiation for any of the claims made for the device.

 

I'd ask you one question. If this is such a great device then why isn't it installed on all bikes at the factory? The bike manufacturers would love something that makes a small bike allegedly perform so much better for so little money. But, the fact is those companies which have teams of engineers trying to make a more efficient bike don't add a "voltage stabilizer".

 

One way to stop being a "poor chap" is to stop throwing your money at every magical gizmo. But, like you say, it's your money.

 

ok,pointer understood.....still,there you go,you have $$ for dyno n stuff sir....n for logically thinking....you already have a 1.5k cc bike,wats for adding on more stuffs to it....you've more power and grunt than everyone of us here....so no worries for you as you're still ahead of the herd...even for my bro,who's riding a fully custom hd nightrain...who also has 1.5k cc after bore up doesn't need the stabilizer too coz the bike is already overpowered for its class....

so still,doesn't mean the stabilizer won't perform for your bike,it doesn't mean it wouldn't work for our small cc engine....

 

conclusion....to each of its own....

thank for your advise strong eagle...its worthwhile....but I still see the raizin is a benefit to my bike....thanks,

I rest my case

[Strong Eagle]

ok,pointer understood.....still,there you go,you have $$ for dyno n stuff sir....n for logically thinking....you already have a 1.5k cc bike,wats for adding on more stuffs to it....you've more power and grunt than everyone of us here....so no worries for you as you're still ahead of the herd...even for my bro,who's riding a fully custom hd nightrain...who also has 1.5k cc after bore up doesn't need the stabilizer too coz the bike is already overpowered for its class....

so still,doesn't mean the stabilizer won't perform for your bike,it doesn't mean it wouldn't work for our small cc engine....

 

conclusion....to each of its own....

thank for your advise strong eagle...its worthwhile....but I still see the raizin is a benefit to my bike....thanks,

I rest my case

 

Well, I bought the stabilzer and ran a bunch of tests. It made zero difference on my bike, including back to back dyno runs.

 

But hey, I really understand that want for more power. It really doesn't matter how big your bike is... you want more power... that simple.

 

Now, you can spray slippery silicone on your seat and hand grips and it will at least FEEL like it has more power as you try to hang on.

[Prestone]

 

Now, you can spray slippery silicone on your seat and hand grips and it will at least FEEL like it has more power as you try to hang on.

 

well,dats a gd one

i'll try DUREX's TOPGEL or Johnsons KY JELLY.....surely be one hell ride for me....

[bikeyroo]

Alamak, cool it everyone! Just air your views and don't get too personal. Strong Eagle is very knowledgeable about bikes. Take a look at all his postings. He is sincere in advising bikers about saving $ and not spend money on products which may not be useful at all. I feel it is wrong to criticize him personally just because he disagrees with you. We should be thankful that we have him around to give us his views on this stabilizer product. Just imagine, what if the product is really useless? Without him, more bikers may be conned into buying it......what if the product really works? I'm very sure Strong Eagle would be too willing to admit that he is wrong.

 

Look at what he has written in this thread so far. Besides this stabilizer thingy, he has also mentioned that using aftermarket pipes may even result in less power and louder sounds. Interesting isn't it? He has also given his views on grounding.

 

With such valuable contributions from a forumer who takes the trouble to post his views, we should thank him for his honest comments for what he knows. If any forumer can prove with concrete evidence that the voltage stabilzer provide substantial benefits, show us the evidence please.

[fruitcakepablohoney]

Guess he wasn't around when we were doing the dyno test.

It proves that all these 'gadget' is a waste of $$$! Be glad that SE is here to explain, not here for you to F him! Maybe for those 'kids' that's new to this 'voltage stabilizer' thing, do a search on his past thread, SE has explain alot in it! You gotta be kidding yourself, putting this can increase hp, improve fuel economy etc! Simple, want your puny bike to go fast? Buy yourself a bigger bike,period! And please, this has got nothing to do if you're rich or poor!

[razin]

Could be related but is a voltage stabiliser the same as this battery eliminator:

 

http://motorcycle-battery-eliminator.com/

 

I've actually purchased that for my 250cc 2 stroker. It worked (meaning I can start and ride my bike without a battery) but unfortunately when I switch on the headlight the power drain is too much and the bike stalls.

 

Since I seldom ride my 2 stroker, the battery on it invariably began to degrade. It was quite unrideable with the dying battery (even after a fresh charge) and worst still if I on my headlights. Another weird symptom my bike will display is that the rpm will jump when the electrical load is heavy (e.g. 1200 rpm idle w/o headlights, 2200 rpm idle when I on the headlights). This is purely a display error, as the engine noise do not increase correspondingly.

 

Then I got an idea and hook up the battery eliminator in parallel with the dying battery. 2 observations:

 

1. The voltage reading is very much stabilised, as displayed by the onboard voltmeter

 

2. the tacho, though still display a jump in rpm when I switch on the headlight, fluctuates less.

 

And more importantly, it enabled me to ride my 2 stroker for 3 weeks on a dying/dead battery...hehe...

 

Any thoughts? Is this battery eliminator just another kind of volatge stabilizer?

 

How do you find the product now? Good? I am thinking of getting one on ebay? My Suzuki GT250 is listed on the website as compatible and tested

Thanks

[futura]

What about Power Abuser 2? Keen to get one.. Can someone enlighten me?

[prego08220]

How do you find the product now? Good? I am thinking of getting one on ebay? My Suzuki GT250 is listed on the website as compatible and tested

Thanks

 

If u interested, I'm selling mine.. Pm me..

[TheYasMan]

I myself got highly influenced to get the VS gadget but im very sceptical. Thanks SE for the information, i really appreciate it.

 

Come to think about it, it's like watching advertisements of P_wer R_der and other Home Innovat__ns' products

 

My 2c.

[jB]

I know nuts about these..how about grounding? what difference does it make when they say 6 point grounding or 5 point or whatsoever numbers?

[madman]

guys ah, this is about review certain products.

 

personal attacks and vulgarity is not to be condoned. asking people to fxxx off etc, is very rude.

 

wanna ask, did those GP bikes use volt stab? if no why? power, pickup and fuel efficiency is always the main concern, as every 0.1 secs makes a winner or loser. perhaps, it's the disadvantages tat outweighs the adv, that's why they dun have...or do they?

[Arcfire]

Saying who has $$ and who does not solves nothing. Do you mean cos you have no money so buying something cheaper will solve your problem for more power? Being sacarstic about who is rich yada yada is plain childish.

 

Be objective. Nobody said anything about you being poor, y be defensive?

I'm on SE's side. You don't need something to be useful in order to sell it. I can fix up a few capacitors & resistors, set up a fancy shmancy company and still sell to some unknowing sucker.

 

Bottom line, believe what you want, but use abit of logic, not plain "feeling"

[kst24]

Please forgive him, he's just a kid who didn't think before blasting his mouth!

[luang]

dun need to get so serious abt the vs le. just a not so expensive product . some ppls try it will works n so pple try it wont works. after all bike it urs, works or no works the owner will know . the felt it urs

[limbat]

dun need to get so serious abt the vs le. just a not so expensive product . some ppls try it will works n so pple try it wont works. after all bike it urs, works or no works the owner will know . the felt it urs

 

Cool man ............. but tell that to the pessimistic like SE & his lot ..........

I have tried it on my own vehicles & loved it ........... but some how ... after reading SE stuff .......... i am begining to doubt my maker in korea tt has a 5million dollars plant making this VR, among other electronic things....... Haizzzzzzzzzzzzz .....................

[Guest simpleme]

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[maxzonepower]

hi all,

 

may i intro this to all

http://www.maxzonepower.com

[jB]

having read so many of SE's posts, I never doubt the words he typed. if you were to doubt, do some research on your own and you'll thank him for giving you a "warning beforehand"..so fellow riders out here pls don't discriminate nor criticise others because of the comments they give, needless to say using vulgarities of sarcasm, peace to all on the roads

[Prestone]

Each of its own.......your rights to chosse which side you want to be.....im no child....you mind your words....

 

Thanks....this "discussion thread" has been a flaming thread....*mods,i think need to close this thread...

[Strong Eagle]

hi all,

 

may i intro this to all

http://www.maxzonepower.com

 

So, the website says absolutely NOTHING about how this device works. A lot of mumbo jumbo that doesn't mean anything.

 

How is it that a car manufacturer, the ones that put in all that "complex electronics" forget to put in the gizmo that supposedly makes it all work better? Do they have stupid engineers? I don't think so. Do they not care about fuel economy? Wrong again, they care a lot.

 

If something sounds to good to be true it probably is. Research and understand what it is you are buying. But hey, it's your money. If a web page is all you need to go out and spend it, have at it.

[Nicholas Chan]

Hi Strong Eagle,

 

Well met, are you an engineer? I was involved in a number of energy efficiency projects a few years back and I have to agree on the number of clueless "but it feels like it works, so it does!" individuals out there in the market that will never accept the laws of physics. But then again, that's how "quick fix, increase your horsepower with just a few bucks!" snake oil salesmen can survive.

[Strong Eagle]

Hi Strong Eagle,

 

Well met, are you an engineer? I was involved in a number of energy efficiency projects a few years back and I have to agree on the number of clueless "but it feels like it works, so it does!" individuals out there in the market that will never accept the laws of physics. But then again, that's how "quick fix, increase your horsepower with just a few bucks!" snake oil salesmen can survive.

 

Bachelor of Science, Electrical Engineering, Rice University, 1997, ABET certified. When I finished I realized that I should have been a mechanical engineer but somehow I am living with it.

 

Yes, the snake oil boys are alive and well and it seems that Singapore is filled with gullible people willing to slap down a $100 for something that has no basis in physical principles or actual independent tested reality.

 

Scammers in Singapore live behind the defamation laws. It is extremely hard to shut down obvious scams because it is always up to the accuser to prove the scam. I can offer you a box that will give you 200 miles per litre of petrol... should you call me a liar or a thief I can sue you... then you get the expense of proving that I am a liar or a thief.

 

There are consumer protection laws in Singapore, of which websites like the maxzonepower would appear to be in violation but the fundamental problem in Singapore law when it comes to consumer protection is that the seller is assumed to be telling the truth until proven otherwise.

[Mantarts]

Nice info Strong Eagle.

lf they not convince let them be.. i ever tried grounding on my bike.

people say grounding improve this n tat..bla bla bla.

Fix revtec too.. no difference. maybe because i don't ride Ta200 ..

 

few mths later i dump that useless cable. The cable looks exatcly like those cable use on audio stuffs.. bs!

[maxzonepower]

So, the website says absolutely NOTHING about how this device works. A lot of mumbo jumbo that doesn't mean anything.

 

How is it that a car manufacturer, the ones that put in all that "complex electronics" forget to put in the gizmo that supposedly makes it all work better? Do they have stupid engineers? I don't think so. Do they not care about fuel economy? Wrong again, they care a lot.

 

If something sounds to good to be true it probably is. Research and understand what it is you are buying. But hey, it's your money. If a web page is all you need to go out and spend it, have at it.

 

 

Hi Wayne,

 

I hope we can meet up someday. then i can show you how this product work.

 

just a tinkle... those who make battery will not make battery that is able to last forever, else how can they survive?

 

bascially what this product as mention in the web site tries to recover the battery to a newer state. as a new battery, most will experience a powerful ride as compare to the older battery. thus with this, the battery are now better and many will feel a much smoother and powerful ride.

 

drop me a pm if you wish to meet up. thanks

[Nicholas Chan]

In my view your skillset would put you in a rather coverted position these days, now with all the emphasis on alternative energy and efficiency.

 

The point here is, the salespeople behind these products often have no idea what they are selling except from what their supplier tells them, and even they may be absolutely clueless about the basic working principles of the product.

 

I agree wholeheartedly on the proliferation of scams in Singapore, and of the impotence of the system in being able to take action with them. Take for example, the latest being the Emcom / Sunshine Empire ponzi scam making its rounds around Asia, promising 1,600% returns and such but where greed is concerned, even the most logical person can throw caution to the wind. Even with official government securities statements clearly naming such scams, the fools involved within the organization can still be defiant in the face of such overwhelming evidence; if only the same mindless defiance can be put to better use.

 

Anyway, back to this voltage stabilizer thing. I would guess all the fanboys who claimed "my bike was crappy until I put this in" could be put on a plaebo test. We take 4 sets, 2 of which has non-functional capacitors, and we replace them on the bikes. Let's see what the results would be like.

 

If mere capacitors were able to improve the electrical system of a bike so drastically, without taking into consideration of the electrical design, I'd be damned on why the manufacturers did not throw in a couple of $10 capacitors, sized to fit the grid, and sell their vehicles at a premium by calling them "extended mileage edition".

 

Cheers and great to see a fellow engineer here with his feet firmly based on the principals of physics.

 

Bachelor of Science, Electrical Engineering, Rice University, 1997, ABET certified. When I finished I realized that I should have been a mechanical engineer but somehow I am living with it.

 

Yes, the snake oil boys are alive and well and it seems that Singapore is filled with gullible people willing to slap down a $100 for something that has no basis in physical principles or actual independent tested reality.

 

Scammers in Singapore live behind the defamation laws. It is extremely hard to shut down obvious scams because it is always up to the accuser to prove the scam. I can offer you a box that will give you 200 miles per litre of petrol... should you call me a liar or a thief I can sue you... then you get the expense of proving that I am a liar or a thief.

 

There are consumer protection laws in Singapore, of which websites like the maxzonepower would appear to be in violation but the fundamental problem in Singapore law when it comes to consumer protection is that the seller is assumed to be telling the truth until proven otherwise.