DIY HID - All About High Intensity Discharge

[hachi]

spore actually no need hid

dunno why more cars are getting hid ....

 

HID actually last longer about 3000hrs whereby normal halogen lasted 650hrs, with +50% about 350hrs....

For example.....:

H1 Bulb Variant Output Lumens Life Hours

Standard (plain) 1550 lm 650 hr

Long Life 1460 lm 1200 hr

Plus+30

High Efficacy 1680 lm 400 hr

Plus+50

Ultra High Efficacy 1750 lm 350 hr

Blue glass

"Extra white" 1380 lm 250 hr

[hachi]

Thanks wait4me & hachi for your feedbacks.

 

My bike has 2 H7 hi-beams, so I can fit 1 with HID and the other remains as Halogen bulb. The flash button is also used to activate certain functions on the digital meter. When this function is activated, the hi-beams also light up. Would repeated flashing shorten the life of the HID bulb/ballast? I guess it would be equivalent to switching on & off a flourescent light repeatedly, right?

 

I am not sure how your twin H7 high beams works, do they shine towards the center or both H7 take the area at each side.

You pointed out an interesting situation that you can have the best of both worlds.

If your twin H7 throw onto the area on the side where the light was fitted, then you gotto factor in which side is more important to you.....if both can be adjusted then you got the best combi.......

[hachi]

Many people believe that the higher the colour temperature the brighter the lamp. This is totally wrong. The colour temperature is purely a scale to measure the colour of the light output and is measured on the graph shown as an X and Y coordinate. It is a reference purely for colour and could equally be called White , Green or Blue. The reality is the higher up the scale the lamps are the less bright they become. 4100K lamps are approx 20% brighter (measured in Lumens not degrees K) than the 6000K. If you want lighting performance the 4100K Philips lamps are the best on the market with 3500 lumen.

 

So in layman term, the highest lumen have to come from the bulb natural color, by changing the NC of the bulb, you lost precious lumen.....For halogen is about 3000k,HID 4000k

 

HID lighting has several advantages over conventional halogen primary lights:

 

* More light output. Halcyon's 18 Watt HID light source produces approximately the same lumens at the light source as a 55 Watt halogen bulb at a three to five times the halogen's efficiency. The 10 Watt HID only produces ~500 lumens, but thanks to its true 6000K color temperature it appears almost as bright as a 55 Watt halogen bulb when in use. The HID lamp's lumens per watt (LPW) efficacy is roughly six to eight times that of an incandescent lamp.

 

* Whiter light. The color temperature of HID lighting more closely approximates the color temperature of natural daylight than does a halogen system, which appears yellowish in comparison. We use the term "correlated color temperature" to indicate that the light appears as if the discharge lamp is operating at a given color temperature-- traditional measurements of color temperature are drawn from the properties of the metal used in the bulb's filament. Typical color temperatures are 2800K (incandescent), 3000K (halogen), 4100K (cool white or SP41 fluorescent), and 5000K (daylight-simulating fluorescent colors). Both of the Halcyon HID lights produce a light with a color temperature approaching or above 5000K. A white light has a perceived brightness which may equate to the higher stated efficacies-- ie., although an HID lamp might have equivilant lumens as a higher wattage halogen bulb, the HID will appear brighter and more pleasing to the eye than the output of a halogen lamp.

 

* Longer Service Life. An HID lamp will last, on the average, 3 to 5 times as long as a halogen bulb. In normal use, your Halcyon HID bulb should last beyond one thousand ignitions.

 

Coped from various websites...

 

In fact I always used Philips vision plus +50% more during my years of riding, which cost $20 per bulb. If HID can last 6-8 times as long, then it might offset the price of replacing so many bulbs....

I am still against HID low beam on MR casing...

[wait4me]

wa i super learn a lot lor ...

thank u all ..

 

 

dun laugh at me ah . but i still dunno what size my bulb is

[motocafe]

2 H7 hi beams gives u a better reason to fit HIDs. 2 H7s would mean 2 sockets. Utilize 1 socket for 1 HID. If you use the passing button, 1 of the Hi-beam (the halogon) will still perform its work of warning others.

 

Is the other function lap timer start/stop? If not, it would otherwise be a function seldom used on normal roads? It will shorten the lifespan if you look at the long run. It should not spoil easily unless ur ballast is of poor quality.

 

Thanks for the feedback.

 

1 HID and 1Halogen seem like an ideal setup. Yes, the flash button activates the lap timer plus other seldom used functions. So it will be used quite frequently when I am on the track.

[motocafe]

I am not sure how your twin H7 high beams works, do they shine towards the center or both H7 take the area at each side.

You pointed out an interesting situation that you can have the best of both worlds.

If your twin H7 throw onto the area on the side where the light was fitted, then you gotto factor in which side is more important to you.....if both can be adjusted then you got the best combi.......

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

From what I can see, both H7 hi-beams shine towards the center. They are only adjustable vertically, ie. up and down.

 

Another question: what is the use of the relay? I was told that I do not need to install the relay as my battery has sufficient amp to drive the ballast. Then again, someone else told me that it is safer to have a relay.

 

The HID Kit that was given to me has a bulb rim/holder? (spring-loaded) which does not match my H7 setup. Is there any way to modify the bulb rim?

 

Also, I have seen HID bulbs that have a shield covering the front of the bulb. This will presumeably remove the glare, right?

 

Sorry for asking so many questions; trying to learn more about HIDs. Just reading this thread has taught me a lot.

[limbat]

If your gift bulb ( rim/holder - spring-loaded ) is not a H7, do not install it into yr H7 Headlamp casing. Their light point may be different, resulting in distort light beam directions.

 

Cheers

[motocafe]

If your gift bulb ( rim/holder - spring-loaded ) is not a H7, do not install it into yr H7 Headlamp casing. Their light point may be different, resulting in distort light beam directions.

 

Cheers

 

I see. So, perhaps I shouldn't try to install the HID kit since the bulb is different. Thanks.

[299]

since nowadays cars are commonly fitted with cars HIDs fittings, how about bike HIDs fittings? Meaning tat there are most in the market designed to fit cars, instead of bikes.

[AR2 Performance]

since nowadays cars are commonly fitted with cars HIDs fittings, how about bike HIDs fittings? Meaning tat there are most in the market designed to fit cars, instead of bikes.

 

All the car HIDs were designed for car comes factory fitted with HID, because a mentioned in the later posts, the headlamp housing were designed for HID beam patterns.

 

Take any after-market HID and fit into a halogen designed headlamp housing, you will never get the clear cut line when you shine on a wall.

 

http://www.ar2performance.com/forums/Headlight_projector_beam.JPG

 

 

All one can do is to manually lower the lights (via built in adjusters ard the car lamp area) in an effort to reduce upward scatter to a minimum. Applies for bikes too.

 

Another more expensive option (but reduces the high scattering effect when fittin HIDs into halogen design lamps) is to change the whole lamp assembly to one with internal reflectors design for HIDs.

 

eg --> Toyota RS200 (altezza) has a lamp assembly option in the JDM. The result?

 

1. SG OEM halogen designed lamp assembly with retro-fitted HIDs. Shine sky high even with the adjusters at the lowest.

 

2. After changing to the JDM HID designed lamp assembly with the same HIDs in, shine at he correct height with level adjusters in the "middle" setting.

 

Note the above make driving much pleasurable as it does not glare others, but still illegal you you go for INSPECTION. Reason? --? car was registered to be halogen...

[299]

does Autobac sell HIDs bulbs?

[299]

Not all car designed HIDs kits can be fitted onto bikes.

 

Are there specially designed HID kits for our bikes?

[AR2 Performance]

does Autobac sell HIDs bulbs?

 

Yes they do... might not be car or bike specific.

 

 

 

Not all car designed HIDs kits can be fitted onto bikes.

 

Are there specially designed HID kits for our bikes?

 

 

Bulb fittings are standard across bikes and cars. They are manufactured with international standards of H1, H2.. H7, DS1 DS2 etc on so on. Hence a car's H7 & a bikes H& in terms of fitting securely is the same. In case its not able to fit properly even if you get the correct bulb/fitment type, its usually the "brand's" manufacturing quality.

 

I have no fitment issues with limbat's ROOX H3 HIDs.

 

 

If you meant beam pattern, that is where the problem lies.

[limbat]

Not all car designed HIDs kits can be fitted onto bikes.

 

Are there specially designed HID kits for our bikes?

 

HIDs system are designed for lighting - cars & bikes kits may be different because bikes may need a longer HID wire harness to fit the Ballast to the rear if there is no space upfront at the headlamps.

 

Yes, there are Bikes HIDs kits "ROOX" by Zoomlite - they include a longer wire harness.

 

have a nice weekend ........... cheers

[limbat]

BTW, our Zoomlite HIDs bulb set comes wif matching HID connectors to fit to any type of Ballast. cheers

[299]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/149/hid22lp.jpg

 

Do you have samples on HIDs? Are they like the ones as above?

[AR2 Performance]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/149/hid22lp.jpg

 

Do you have samples on HIDs? Are they like the ones as above?

 

Looks like the ballast & ignitors are separate. Try getting one which are built into 1 unit. Gives you less headache to locate the extra items.

 

the roox comes with cables long enough to plant your HIDs facing rear man!

 

http://www.roox.co.kr/main.phtm

[limbat]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/149/hid22lp.jpg

 

Do you have samples on HIDs? Are they like the ones as above?

 

Yes, I have them, those are my other Korean suppliers set. Pls comeby to view by appointment 93891138. Cheers

[limbat]

Looks like the ballast & ignitors are separate. Try getting one which are built into 1 unit. Gives you less headache to locate the extra items.

 

the roox comes with cables long enough to plant your HIDs facing rear man!

 

http://www.roox.co.kr/main.phtm

 

Hi... mate,

 

These WK kit set are build as mini (smaller size) - sometimes when there is a space problem - these mini set are very helpful & easy to DIY. But i have to build a spare wire harness to fit them on to a bike. No prefect solution ....

[299]

Yes, I have them, those are my other Korean suppliers set. Pls comeby to view by appointment 93891138. Cheers

 

Do u hv those kits which need to connect to the bike supply?

[limbat]

Yes, mate.... all HIDs system need power supply - either connect them from the headlight lead or battery.

[limbat]

Do u hv those kits which need to connect to the bike supply?

 

I jus remembered most bikes will have the HID system connect to the power supply at the headlights - this is bec HIDs are Plug & Play - unless u need a ON/OFF switch for the HID.

[vtec power]

let sae super install HID. Hw much wil the cost b? Am i still able to off the HID mode in sg road? I already hav a switch 2 off my lights. After the HID mode is off can i stil hav white light instead of the orginal 1?

 

Wat other tinks r needed to install HID?

 

Does white light pass for inspection?

 

In tis case wil i pass my inspection?

[limbat]

let sae super install HID.

Hw much wil the cost b?

Ans = sin$260

 

Am i still able to off the HID mode in sg road?

Ans = Yes

 

I already hav a switch 2 off my lights. After the HID mode is off can i stil hav white light instead of the orginal 1?

Ans = Yes

 

Wat other tinks r needed to install HID?

Ans = Onli need the HID kit.

 

Does white light pass for inspection?

Ans = Halogen white light - yes, HID - no.

 

In tis case wil i pass my inspection?

Ans = ?? ........... Yes & No .....

 

 

Pls call 93891138 for more information ..............

[299]

how high heat it can dissipate? will it crack our inner lens after prolong usage?