[Discussion] What's bugging you now?

[Raptor]

I buang twice in 6 months after passing eh and the buangs not minor2 ones, both required total rebuild of my front end,fairings, front rims, tank, people see my bike they assume I'm dead, its that bad. Thank god minor scratches, I attribute the accidents to inexperience and foolhardiness. The week after my accident of course become very safe rider but after a month, back to normal.

 

I really believe its a state of mind, something is affecting your train of thought, for me, both of the times I accident was because my mind was pre occupied, the first one I was sleepy, the 2nd I lost my way huhuhu.

 

Better keep your mind clear, for riding or driving, it may be more dangerous than riding dangerously.

 

You crashed because you rode out of your ability. Alot of people crash simply because they ride faster than they can handle the bike.

 

Never let your ego control the throttle.

 

Give yourself time to learn the machine and your own limitations. There is nothing wrong with the bike.. its always the rider that IS the problem.

 

All bike riders go through 3 phases.

 

Phase One - just passed till about 6 months. The infantile stage, rider new to the roads, new to the bike and does not know how to handle the bike and does not know how to read road conditions. Tendency to get into accidents due to self errors.

 

Phase Two - 6 months up to a year after passing - Most dangerous period. Over confident, rides out of his ability at times, ego controls the throttle. Some die during this time and some get badly injured.

 

Phase Three - is now an experienced and safe rider who knows how to read traffic and road conditions. Rides with his head and not his ego.

 

You just need to identify which phase you belong to and act accordingly.

 

What has been mentioned is my own personal view and based on my 35 years of riding experience and I am still riding and racing now. It is all just my humble opinion.

 

Its your life and your bike... please do what you deem correct and disregard my post if you disagree with my views. I do not wish for a flaming war. Thanks.

Edited August 6, 2011 by Raptor

[mdasyraf]

stick to my sp or buy a super4 ?!

[Jehuty]

stick to my sp or buy a super4 ?!

 

Sell your SP get a wave la

S4 for what, wave good enough for Singapore, you not going touring right? Singapore anything can go to 130 can already huhuhu. Save money buy class 2.

[Maja]

$70 summon by nea for excessive smoke. somehow some part of my pay always end up going to the government.

[kelena]

It really depends, you can't do tight turns easily on sports bike as said by Jehuty, limited by handlebar turning radius. That mostly applies to U-Turns, other than that, its about choosing your line, hard to explain but go watch some videos on youtube about racing lines etc, you'll see how they do it, or keith code.

 

Also, don't compare yourself to others, instead, challenge yourself. But of cuz la, if you wanna do anything out of the ordinary, best try controlled environment if you can go to race track... and always gear up before you go practice, e.g. jacket, jeans/riding pants and shoes or boots that can provide protection incase anything happens. All the best!

 

Thanks for some constructive advice, while you've mentioned racing lines, lean.. I think these applies to track or high-speed riding, no? I'm more concerned about moving around tight places, as in my humble opinion, most of the riders don't have that much of a problem above 50kph; I'm speaking about less than 10kph.

 

Well, I did about 20 u-turns earlier this morning.. Just something I'd like to put up for pointers:

 

1. I can't full-lock my handle bars

2. No matter how hard I try, I can only turn into the 2nd lane

3. Speed is around 6-8kph

 

Am I doing things right? Although fresh out from riding school, I pretty much can't seem to apply turning techniques, I hope it's due to the nature of the bike?

 

Last question, a question posted to all experienced riders who are looking at this thread: am I turning like how you the way you guys turn and is being comfortable more important than doing the correct techniques? Or do you get comfy by doing the right thing?

 

Finally, I appreciate the replies to what's bugging me now, thanks!

[kraikk]

Thanks for some constructive advice, while you've mentioned racing lines, lean.. I think these applies to track or high-speed riding, no? I'm more concerned about moving around tight places, as in my humble opinion, most of the riders don't have that much of a problem above 50kph; I'm speaking about less than 10kph.

 

Well, I did about 20 u-turns earlier this morning.. Just something I'd like to put up for pointers:

 

1. I can't full-lock my handle bars

2. No matter how hard I try, I can only turn into the 2nd lane

3. Speed is around 6-8kph

 

Am I doing things right? Although fresh out from riding school, I pretty much can't seem to apply turning techniques, I hope it's due to the nature of the bike?

 

Last question, a question posted to all experienced riders who are looking at this thread: am I turning like how you the way you guys turn and is being comfortable more important than doing the correct techniques? Or do you get comfy by doing the right thing?

 

Finally, I appreciate the replies to what's bugging me now, thanks!

 

1. Handlebars are never full locked when turning, even U-turn. Bikes turn by countersteering and leaning, not by locking (that's for 3- and 4-wheelers).

 

2. U-turning into 2nd lane is quite okay, don't worry about it.

 

Without seeing you it is hard to tell what's wrong. One important thing is to always look where you want to go. For U-turns try to look slightly behind your shoulder, and the bike should follow.

 

Push the handlebars in the opposite direction, ie. push slightly to the left when turning right. Maybe go a little bit faster, bikes are difficult to handle at too slow a speed. After some practice you should find it more comfortable. One thing I did was to practise with a bicycle to get used to the looking backwards and countersteering, without worrying about the throttle and clutch.

[stsoh]

Thanks for some constructive advice, while you've mentioned racing lines, lean.. I think these applies to track or high-speed riding, no? I'm more concerned about moving around tight places, as in my humble opinion, most of the riders don't have that much of a problem above 50kph; I'm speaking about less than 10kph.

 

Well, I did about 20 u-turns earlier this morning.. Just something I'd like to put up for pointers:

 

1. I can't full-lock my handle bars

2. No matter how hard I try, I can only turn into the 2nd lane

3. Speed is around 6-8kph

 

Am I doing things right? Although fresh out from riding school, I pretty much can't seem to apply turning techniques, I hope it's due to the nature of the bike?

 

Last question, a question posted to all experienced riders who are looking at this thread: am I turning like how you the way you guys turn and is being comfortable more important than doing the correct techniques? Or do you get comfy by doing the right thing?

 

Finally, I appreciate the replies to what's bugging me now, thanks!

 

seems like u have lost confident doing u-turn?

riding road/sport bike, lean ur body forward so tat u can feel front wheel grid on tarmac.

cruiser will be light on front wheel, no other choice, have to put ur foot down to make a u-turn.

[Jehuty]

Thanks for some constructive advice, while you've mentioned racing lines, lean.. I think these applies to track or high-speed riding, no? I'm more concerned about moving around tight places, as in my humble opinion, most of the riders don't have that much of a problem above 50kph; I'm speaking about less than 10kph.

 

Well, I did about 20 u-turns earlier this morning.. Just something I'd like to put up for pointers:

 

1. I can't full-lock my handle bars

2. No matter how hard I try, I can only turn into the 2nd lane

3. Speed is around 6-8kph

 

Am I doing things right? Although fresh out from riding school, I pretty much can't seem to apply turning techniques, I hope it's due to the nature of the bike?

 

Last question, a question posted to all experienced riders who are looking at this thread: am I turning like how you the way you guys turn and is being comfortable more important than doing the correct techniques? Or do you get comfy by doing the right thing?

 

Finally, I appreciate the replies to what's bugging me now, thanks!

 

If you're at the extreme right hand lane, when you U turn, you'll be in the 2nd lane, if you're in the lane beside you, you can U-turn into the third because of turning radius but generally a bad idea to do so because you'll be cutting into the guy beside you, which can kill. Can U-turn can already la, why so bothered about it, don't mount kerb or drop the bike, all is good.

 

Of course if you're really bothered by it and die die want to turn into the third lane, you have to lean hard, you have to be confident, if you're nervous, you can drop your bike, too slow also can drop, close throttle or brake also can drop.

[xiaoviper]

Thanks for some constructive advice, while you've mentioned racing lines, lean.. I think these applies to track or high-speed riding, no? I'm more concerned about moving around tight places, as in my humble opinion, most of the riders don't have that much of a problem above 50kph; I'm speaking about less than 10kph.

 

Well, I did about 20 u-turns earlier this morning.. Just something I'd like to put up for pointers:

 

1. I can't full-lock my handle bars

2. No matter how hard I try, I can only turn into the 2nd lane

3. Speed is around 6-8kph

 

Am I doing things right? Although fresh out from riding school, I pretty much can't seem to apply turning techniques, I hope it's due to the nature of the bike?

 

Last question, a question posted to all experienced riders who are looking at this thread: am I turning like how you the way you guys turn and is being comfortable more important than doing the correct techniques? Or do you get comfy by doing the right thing?

 

Finally, I appreciate the replies to what's bugging me now, thanks!

 

Lines don't only apply to racing... Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word racing. My bad.

Choose your line. Say you wanna U-Turn into the closest lane, try going far out on the lane before turning, so you got more space inbetween, if possible try to stop as close to 90 degree angle at the U Turn.

Don't even look at your speedometer when u-turning, look in the direction you wanna go like how the school teach. I know its hard to lock the handlebar and turn, same goes for me, but turn to the most you can, try counter balancing (i.e. U-Turn is a right turn, so you try putting your weight to the left of the bike. You don't have to lean much to U-Turn, and its all throttle and clutch control to keep you stable.

 

Try doing low speed turns, while counter balancing. Can find a safe place to practice, don't need to do at U-Turn on the where it can be dangerous. Roof of multistory carpark or any open area would be great.

 

Btw Kraikk, you can't countersteer at such a slow speed. No offense.

[kelena]

Lines don't only apply to racing... Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word racing. My bad.

Choose your line. Say you wanna U-Turn into the closest lane, try going far out on the lane before turning, so you got more space inbetween, if possible try to stop as close to 90 degree angle at the U Turn.

Don't even look at your speedometer when u-turning, look in the direction you wanna go like how the school teach. I know its hard to lock the handlebar and turn, same goes for me, but turn to the most you can, try counter balancing (i.e. U-Turn is a right turn, so you try putting your weight to the left of the bike. You don't have to lean much to U-Turn, and its all throttle and clutch control to keep you stable.

 

Try doing low speed turns, while counter balancing. Can find a safe place to practice, don't need to do at U-Turn on the where it can be dangerous. Roof of multistory carpark or any open area would be great.

 

Btw Kraikk, you can't countersteer at such a slow speed. No offense.

 

 

thanks viper!

i guessed as much..it's the placement of bike prior to u-turning, i'd say.. i've learnt to position the bike perpendicular to the u-turn as possible.

anyways, i;ve learnt to accept the fact that turning into lane 2 is good enough, as i;ve seen other riders turning into the 3rd lane and very close to the kerb.

the other thing i've noticed why i did wider turns is like you mentioned; it's hard to lock the handlebars and turn simultaneously, so i moved out more before turning the bars. that prolly explains why my turns are predominantly wider. and of course, gotta work on where i look at.

 

k, i'll go try counter-balancing..but at least i'm a little more comfortable since my first post on this bug. =))

 

thanks again!

[Icomeforyou]

A colleague of mine initially had bloody bowels. Went for check up, colonscopy discovered stage 1 cancer.

 

After analyzing a few pieces of growth, discovered it was stage 3.

 

Makes everything else we rush to and fro seem so vain now...

[kelena]

A colleague of mine initially had bloody bowels. Went for check up, colonscopy discovered stage 1 cancer.

 

After analyzing a few pieces of growth, discovered it was stage 3.

 

Makes everything else we rush to and fro seem so vain now...

 

how fragile life is..take care..

[zelda1031]

how fragile life is..take care..

 

yah ~ sign ~ my grandpa also just passaway few days ago ~

 

 

work hard play hard ~ enjoy life as it was yr last day ^^)v

[kelena]

yah ~ sign ~ my grandpa also just passaway few days ago ~

 

 

work hard play hard ~ enjoy life as it was yr last day ^^)v

 

my condolences.. i lost my grandmother to lung cancer just 4 months ago..it went undetected cuz my granny's a fighter, so we all did not have a clue till it was too late.

she's led an impoverished life, all the way to the last day. yup, you;re right. work hard, play hard, but while playing (on your bike), think of your loved ones.

 

cheerios!

[JSCJL]

Bugging me most? I cannot decide between an R6, CBR600rr or the 848evo.. =/

[Jehuty]

Bugging me most? I cannot decide between an R6, CBR600rr or the 848evo.. =/

 

No fancy a gixxer 750? I hear they put out.

[JSCJL]

No fancy a gixxer 750? I hear they put out.

 

Kinda prefer bikes with dual headlight.. Looks nicer leh.. Haha.. The colour scheme of Suzuki is great but Honda's 600 not nice.. =/

[stanco]

Bugging me most? I cannot decide between an R6, CBR600rr or the 848evo.. =/

 

Kinda prefer bikes with dual headlight.. Looks nicer leh.. Haha.. The colour scheme of Suzuki is great but Honda's 600 not nice.. =/

 

then is down to r6 and 848 liao lor.

 

look at ur wallet and i think u should have an ans?

[CSV]

@kelena, your problem is most likely your mind. like you mentioned its a new bike. so its probably your skill.

 

at the risk of sounding like an old man, but practice is key. you mentioned you have problems with very low speed turning. is it because you cannot flat foot the bike? its been generalised that you take around 6 months to get used to your bike, plus minus some.

 

so late in the night, find an open spot, pratice doing some figure 8s. low speed ones. and of course, install crash bars or sliders to protect your bike in the case IF you drop the bike.

 

and i probably know that when you take those low speed turns, your head is going "i hope i don't drop the bike, i hope i don't drop the bike" which is limiting your turning confidence. i suffered from that when i was recovering from my accident, didnt dare to lean the bike.

[Raptor]

Bugging me most? I cannot decide between an R6, CBR600rr or the 848evo.. =/

 

CBR600RR - one of the best handling bikes, very linear power band. Extremely rideable.

[kelena]

@kelena, your problem is most likely your mind. like you mentioned its a new bike. so its probably your skill.

 

at the risk of sounding like an old man, but practice is key. you mentioned you have problems with very low speed turning. is it because you cannot flat foot the bike? its been generalised that you take around 6 months to get used to your bike, plus minus some.

 

so late in the night, find an open spot, pratice doing some figure 8s. low speed ones. and of course, install crash bars or sliders to protect your bike in the case IF you drop the bike.

 

and i probably know that when you take those low speed turns, your head is going "i hope i don't drop the bike, i hope i don't drop the bike" which is limiting your turning confidence. i suffered from that when i was recovering from my accident, didnt dare to lean the bike.

 

hi, flat foot the bike? if you mean sitting down on the bike, and having 100% contact between the foot and the ground - yes, i can do that..

 

well, the i-hope-i-don't-drop-the-bike thought, guess it's more of it. i've had the opportunity to practice just outside the site office, there's quite a good space to do u-turns. i measured, it's almost equivalent to making a u-turn into a 2-lane road. i've been trying to do that every time i'm on night shift. I might say i'm slowly improving. which is refreshing. =)

 

just gotta do more, and quit being a wuss - i'd fare better on bicycles!

 

have a good working/studying week ahead!

[zelda1031]

meeting fren at town walk walk on my off day but its raining >.

[JSCJL]

CBR600RR - one of the best handling bikes, very linear power band. Extremely rideable.

 

Yes, that's why I like the CBR600rr. Especially the electronic damper. But the colour scheme.. Aiyo.. Shall see see if got second hand old colour scheme lor.. Coz when I went down to shops to take a look, all black only. Sian

[Prankster]

I miss home....

[xXxRatedxXx]

Whats bugging me now is the ****ing wooong wooong sound