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<Archive> Silverwing 400cc / 600cc Tech Corner


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There are many choices currently.

 

Can consider the SYM MaxSym 400, there is brand new, & some used selling over at Garage sales.

Kymco Downtown 300i, brand new & same some used selling over at Garage sales as well.

Suzuki Burgman 400 as well, latest model & very nice design.

All comes with full parts support from their agent.

 

Silverwing 400 is 1 of the most reliable machines around, but prices is steep too.

Majesty 400 have a very refined engine & reliable as well.

 

End of the day, have to consider your budget.

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I myself had experiences with brand K, brought a 250 with a mileage of 25000km for $1300 and spend more than $700 repairing it and promise not to touch the Taiwanese brands...Yes parts is cheaper than jap scooter...e.g a part cost $200 last 60000km with the same part cost $130 that last 20000km is a no brainer which one I would choose.

 

And the brand S....Once I saw my friend repair bill.... I guess they dont last very long...Like me he decided to sell after spending 1k repairing it...

 

Those are my own experience of course people can relate otherwise however I would rather spend more than be left alone on the road...

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Since TS is considering Piaggio XEVO, why not wait for the new X10 330cc??

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Any idea when is it reaching our shores..?

 

 

Haha. I've no idea, cos even ADH also don't have a clue.....

It's just been launched in Italy, so expect it to take a few months before its sold here.....

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I myself had experiences with brand K, brought a 250 with a mileage of 25000km for $1300 and spend more than $700 repairing it and promise not to touch the Taiwanese brands...Yes parts is cheaper than jap scooter...e.g a part cost $200 last 60000km with the same part cost $130 that last 20000km is a no brainer which one I would choose.

 

And the brand S....Once I saw my friend repair bill.... I guess they dont last very long...Like me he decided to sell after spending 1k repairing it...

 

Those are my own experience of course people can relate otherwise however I would rather spend more than be left alone on the road...

 

It is common to spend big $ with cheap (

 

Given my experience, do I consider Yamaha or Suzuki unreliable and crappy today? No.

 

Will I consider either brand's product again? Yes.

 

Trouble with the Taiwanese brands is, we expect a steep discount compared to the Japanese. Translate that in the used bike segment and it typically morphs into a cheap, poorly maintained (why spend $$$ on a BATA: Buy-And-Throw-Away?) low-cc specimen, a sure recipe for high repair bills.

 

I have been impressed with Kymco's quality, especially their newer Class 2A/2 offerings. The engines are economical, and vibration/noise/harshness at idle were low enough to surprise me. They have a stable, long-term agent with its own workshops and staff, comparable in support to the major brands. Not an advert for them but it's one brand I'm seriously considering in my hunt for a new ride.

 

Speaking of SWs, I was at Mah last month checking out the Maxsym. The sales showed me a SW languishing in the workshop for the past 7-8 months, waiting in vain for a coil assembly from Boon Siew, the Honda agent. The ex-owner was so frustrated he traded in the SW for a Maxsym.

 

Will this anecdote turn people against Honda or the SW? Probably not. But replace Honda with Kymco or Sym and I'm pretty sure the lynch mob will take to arms.

Posted (edited)
It is common to spend big $ with cheap (

 

Given my experience, do I consider Yamaha or Suzuki unreliable and crappy today? No.

 

Will I consider either brand's product again? Yes.

 

Trouble with the Taiwanese brands is, we expect a steep discount compared to the Japanese. Translate that in the used bike segment and it typically morphs into a cheap, poorly maintained (why spend $$$ on a BATA: Buy-And-Throw-Away?) low-cc specimen, a sure recipe for high repair bills.

 

I have been impressed with Kymco's quality, especially their newer Class 2A/2 offerings. The engines are economical, and vibration/noise/harshness at idle were low enough to surprise me. They have a stable, long-term agent with its own workshops and staff, comparable in support to the major brands. Not an advert for them but it's one brand I'm seriously considering in my hunt for a new ride.

 

Speaking of SWs, I was at Mah last month checking out the Maxsym. The sales showed me a SW languishing in the workshop for the past 7-8 months, waiting in vain for a coil assembly from Boon Siew, the Honda agent. The ex-owner was so frustrated he traded in the SW for a Maxsym.

 

Will this anecdote turn people against Honda or the SW? Probably not. But replace Honda with Kymco or Sym and I'm pretty sure the lynch mob will take to arms.

 

Hmm in a way yes, I do have my fair share of experience with the Kymco agent...The mech mentioned the scooter looked nice outside but the parts all not lasting...As I mentioned the bike I brought is only 25000km...Some parts I did not expect to fail so fast...Of course is based on my expectation of Jap bikes as I was fairly new to scooter 2 years ago....

After I repaired, it still left me dead on the road...My previous job really need to be on time....This is when I decided to sold it...And again end up in agent...Not a great experience from buy and sell within 4 weeks...

I do admit considering the parts I changed were very cheap compared to Jap bikes...But do they last?...Well I better stay clear of the brand....

My colleagues also brought a SYM...After a major servicing and repairing, the bill comes up about $500...Within weeks another $600 bill came in....Like a disease...

Jap bikes....yes they do break down.... Change and repair the defect...Good to go and last for a long long time...

Of course...It might be an isolated cases for me...But I dont take any more chances cos I dont like to a bike die on me.....

The latest models from both brands looked very appealing, with the functions that Jap scooters can only dream of...Like automatic headlight, projectors light, day running light.

My heart is with the Jap....My 2 cents...

It doesnt matter how much the bike cost..I would say is based on experience. Out of the 16 second hand bikes I brought, 2 were lemon, of course K is one of them...

TS can check the thread the bike he is interested in and get more info.

Edited by hachi

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Posted
It is common to spend big $ with cheap (

 

Given my experience, do I consider Yamaha or Suzuki unreliable and crappy today? No.

 

Will I consider either brand's product again? Yes.

 

Trouble with the Taiwanese brands is, we expect a steep discount compared to the Japanese. Translate that in the used bike segment and it typically morphs into a cheap, poorly maintained (why spend $$$ on a BATA: Buy-And-Throw-Away?) low-cc specimen, a sure recipe for high repair bills.

 

I have been impressed with Kymco's quality, especially their newer Class 2A/2 offerings. The engines are economical, and vibration/noise/harshness at idle were low enough to surprise me. They have a stable, long-term agent with its own workshops and staff, comparable in support to the major brands. Not an advert for them but it's one brand I'm seriously considering in my hunt for a new ride.

 

Speaking of SWs, I was at Mah last month checking out the Maxsym. The sales showed me a SW languishing in the workshop for the past 7-8 months, waiting in vain for a coil assembly from Boon Siew, the Honda agent. The ex-owner was so frustrated he traded in the SW for a Maxsym.

 

Will this anecdote turn people against Honda or the SW? Probably not. But replace Honda with Kymco or Sym and I'm pretty sure the lynch mob will take to arms.

 

Yep true! Me2!

Btw if i'm not mistaken the SW shld be a white one at MAH, FYI it had already clocked more than 100k on it's mileage :D

Honda parts can be easily purchase from FJT, EVERSUCCESS AND CHONG AIK..

1 thing i always believe, "Good things dun ever comes cheap" :D

The seller might have his own perception as well..

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Posted
Speaking of SWs, I was at Mah last month checking out the Maxsym. The sales showed me a SW languishing in the workshop for the past 7-8 months, waiting in vain for a coil assembly from Boon Siew, the Honda agent. The ex-owner was so frustrated he traded in the SW for a Maxsym.

not defending anything... just wanna point out a typical salesman talk :p

 

a smallish homework will reveal that Mah is one of the key peddlers of MaxSym here. in fact, i was at their roadshow at Suntec to check out the very much talked about scooter.

yes, Mah is also an authorised reseller of Boon Siew but logic will tell us that selling the SW (get from Boon Siew) is likely much less profitable compared to selling bikes they bring in themselves.

 

as for difficulty getting the magnetic coil for 7-8 months, that's pure bullshit from the salesman. a few of us got the coil changed recently (mine was changed around mid 2011). i've also ordered some parts from japan before, and it took about 3 months to arrive. so it's really hard to believe they can't get the coil for 7-8 months.

btw, Boon Siew is the wrong place to buy SW spares... the salesman bluff also dunno how to bluff properly :lol:

 

it's ok and normal to push sales for a more profitable bike by emphasizing the pros and avoiding the cons. but it's really sucks when salesman use such slanderous approaches.

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As I mentioned the bike I brought is only 25000km...Some parts I did not expect to fail so fast...Of course is based on my expectation of Jap bikes as I was fairly new to scooter 2 years ago....

 

Yes, but you don't find $1500 SW or T-max used don't you? I'm guessing your friend didn't spend much on his lemon too. Risk comes with the territory.

 

But of course, YMMV.

Posted
not defending anything... just wanna point out a typical salesman talk :p

 

a smallish homework will reveal that Mah is one of the key peddlers of MaxSym here. in fact, i was at their roadshow at Suntec to check out the very much talked about scooter.

yes, Mah is also an authorised reseller of Boon Siew but logic will tell us that selling the SW (get from Boon Siew) is likely much less profitable compared to selling bikes they bring in themselves.

 

as for difficulty getting the magnetic coil for 7-8 months, that's pure bullshit from the salesman. a few of us got the coil changed recently (mine was changed around mid 2011). i've also ordered some parts from japan before, and it took about 3 months to arrive. so it's really hard to believe they can't get the coil for 7-8 months.

btw, Boon Siew is the wrong place to buy SW spares... the salesman bluff also dunno how to bluff properly :lol:

 

it's ok and normal to push sales for a more profitable bike by emphasizing the pros and avoiding the cons. but it's really sucks when salesman use such slanderous approaches.

 

He was trying to sell me the SW, actually.

 

If I were the owner, I would've sourced for the part myself, and saved some time. But I'm just pointing out an example of poor servicing and parts unavailability from one of the oldest brands selling in Singapore, renowned for their dependability and reliability.

 

I'm sure those who have ridden long enough have their fair share of horror stories from every imaginable brand and model, outside of the ubiquitous Super 4s, Spark, Wave etc.

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Yes, but you don't find $1500 SW or T-max used don't you? I'm guessing your friend didn't spend much on his lemon too. Risk comes with the territory.

 

But of course, YMMV.

As mentioned is generalize..Suddenly you pointed out SW and Tmax.. If you liked maxsym is good bike at least when it is new...Long run not sure..SW and TMAX if you want opinions as I own both of them.I am sure to squeeze out 100k of problem free km shouldnt be much of a problem..

I do have a friend that owns a 100 000km SW.

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No doubt the Japanese have established their brand name on reliability, but the high Japanese Yen exchange rate makes it simply too expensive for many people to consider buying it brand new (applies for Made-In-Japan models).....

 

On the other hand, the lower Euro exchange rate, makes European bikes more appealing -> In this case, Piaggio XEVO 400 (I believe this model has been discontinued, and only the XEVO 125 remains in production), and the Piaggio X10 maxi scooter.

 

I'm definitely willing to give the Piaggio X10 350 (330cc actual engine capacity) a try for my next scooter =D

I believe they've improved on their reliability over the past 10 years, since they launched the X9.....

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Posted (edited)
He was trying to sell me the SW, actually.

i'm "impressed"... actually astonished. either he's not happy with his own pocket or he's using reverse psychology that didn't work out :lol:

 

one thing to note is that some of SW's parts are not cheap, and may need waiting time of about 3 months for importation if local suppliers happen not to have them in store.

 

 

 

everything has trade-offs; there's no best in everything bike available.

most important thing is...

buy a ride that meets both your needs and your budget :smile:

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No doubt the Japanese have established their brand name on reliability, but the high Japanese Yen exchange rate makes it simply too expensive for many people to consider buying it brand new (applies for Made-In-Japan models).....

the Jap Yen appreciation did inflate the price of the SW :pity:

 

OTR for a new FJS400 was around $11.5k to $12.8k in 2008.

OTR for a new SWT400 now costs around $18.7k, together with the increase in COE prices.

luckily the bikes' COE didn't fly till those crazy levels like those for the cars :p

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the Jap Yen appreciation did inflate the price of the SW :pity:

 

OTR for a new FJS400 was around $11.5k to $12.8k in 2008.

OTR for a new SWT400 now costs around $18.7k, together with the increase in COE prices.

luckily the bikes' COE didn't fly till those crazy levels like those for the cars :p

 

 

Yup Yup. I still remembered the time when FJS400 was below $12k =D Now, even 2-3 years old FJS400 also selling $12-14k.... =(

Well, if Honda Japan Motorcycles are willing to start Thailand manufacturing just like what they've done for their cars, and promote Silverwing 400/600 in Malaysia CKD and Thailand, hopefully, some importers here can import Silverwing Made-in-Thailand and priced it based on Thai Baht exchange rates =D

 

Hopefully, that'll bring the price down to $12-14k =D Hehe.... But that's gonna be a near impossibility lah. Scooters aren't exactly popular, not compared to bikes.... No demand to do so....

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Posted

I also wonder why Korea aren't aggressive with their scooters.... I know domestic cars there are cheap, but still, in Korean dramas, can still see people riding scooters what, delivering pizzas/ meals.... Haha.

 

It's just a pity lah. With what Hyundai and Kia are doing for their cars -> Swee Swee styling and great build quality, with plenty of standard features, yet still tens of thousands cheaper than Made-in-Thailand competitors, they're cars are in hot demand around the whole world.... Have waiting list one hor, of at least 2-3 months. Don't play play.

 

If only the same can be said of their scooters.... =( So far I can only name Daelim and Hyosung as their two-wheeler manufacturer....

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Posted

 

I'm definitely willing to give the Piaggio X10 350 (330cc actual engine capacity) a try for my next scooter =D

I believe they've improved on their reliability over the past 10 years, since they launched the X9.....

Are u referring to x9? U sure is reliable? :D cheers!

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Are u referring to x9? U sure is reliable? :D cheers!

 

Oi..... That's why I say Piaggio has improved on the X9's reliability to come out with X8 and now X10 mah....:cheeky:

 

Well, I have neighbours still riding X8 and X9.....

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Posted

This is turning into a really interesting discussion which we are not even sure desmondband is still reading.

 

I would say ito his 3 criteria (maintenance, fuel consumption, insurance), better to just stick to his existing class2b scooter bah.

Posted
Oi..... That's why I say Piaggio has improved on the X9's reliability to come out with X8 and now X10 mah....:cheeky:

 

Well, I have neighbours still riding X8 and X9.....

 

Good looks, revolutionary design (MP3), user-friendly storage... but poor execution, usually. The Italians design great stuff on paper... but their factories... sigh.

Posted
the Jap Yen appreciation did inflate the price of the SW :pity:

 

OTR for a new FJS400 was around $11.5k to $12.8k in 2008.

OTR for a new SWT400 now costs around $18.7k, together with the increase in COE prices.

luckily the bikes' COE didn't fly till those crazy levels like those for the cars :p

 

The price increase outpaces cars (machine price). That's the surprising part.

Posted
I am sure to squeeze out 100k of problem free km shouldnt be much of a problem..

I do have a friend that owns a 100 000km SW.

 

No bike is problem free for 100k, no matter the brand. I have had my fair share of bikes, some with >100k mileage. The most unreliable bike was a 4-year-old Suzuki with 20+k on the meter. Relatively new, low-mileage... but many problems. It was the total opposite of the >180k 12-year-old Bandit it replaced.

 

Having said that, I'm still a Suzuki fan.

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