[Technical] Engine Oil - All related matters in EO

[willtam]

so how do we know which is which ? most EO if all did not specifically say this is for Car or Bike only label . . . not that you or me or some semi professional people like work shop mechanic say so . . . is there some real stuff to get our understanding right here – HELP !!!!

[naim]

if its for bike, it will usually write 4T on it... and of cux, sumtyms there is a pic of a bike on d bottle lar.. haha!

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

to make it simple.. car EO contains alot of anti-friction additives, cux all it does is lubricate the pistons and crankshafts.. less friction, lesser heat, wear n tear

 

bike EO, can't have too much additives cux it does the same for the bike engine, as in the car engine, PLUS ur wet clutch... if there is alot of additives, ur clutch will slip n can even be damaged...

 

You may have confused protective additives with friction reducers :-)

 

Car oil has friction reducers because engine uses separate lubrication from the transmission. They add friction reducers to boost fuel efficiency.

 

On most bikes, the clutch uses the same oil as the engine, (wet clutch), so using friction reducers will make the clutch slip and that is very bad.

 

Bike with dry clutch like Silver Wing can use friction reducing oil if the rider knows how to benefit from the tech.

 

For the same reason, do not listen to any of the marketing associated with oil additives. Many of them contain friction reducers which will harm your wet clutch.

 

Motorcycle oil contains more protective additives like Phosphorus to protect against metal to metal contact during cold start and high rev conditions. So you see, we have very good custom packaged additives with each good bottle of motorcycle oil.

 

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[naim]

haha.. i knw wat im talking about, just that i guess my choice of phrasing wasnt too clear, making it look like im confused.. haha.. ur explanation is much clearer!

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Btw - tried Pennzoil Titanium fully synthetic 4T today because Planet ran out of Chex 9000.

 

The oil is fantastic. The bike sounds like a bloody machine gun now. Vibrations seem to be much reduced (compared to Castrol or Chex) when cold starting or idling and performance seems very much improved because this oil can dissipate heat very fast. Ah Chong gave me a lean carb tuning for maximum horsepower and with this oil, it actually works. No power loss during/after high speed expressway runs.

 

I wanted to try Rimula R3X (which is both petrol and diesel rated and I believe, similar to Delvac) but it's a 20W50 and 50-weight is too thick for my current setup. 10W40 gives maximum acceleration due to lower pumping drag (thinner oil), and with fully synthetic oils, does not sacrifice protection.

[jevan]

how much for the penzoil titanium? maybe can try next time.

[revhappy]

Hey guys just bought a FY plate Phantom the newer version COE expiry Nov 14. It has done 86k kms.

I would like to know what is the amount of EO to be filled into the phantom. I have heard conflicting info, i.e. some tech specs say 1L but then most mechanics and actual riders fill 1.2-1.3 L? So what do you guys suggest?

 

Also regarding the weight of the oil. Should it be XXW40 or XXW50 considering the mileage of my bike?

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

Just get one litre and "let god sort it out"

 

No point bickering over the last 1-200ml as slightly over or under filled is still within running tolerances.

 

Some overfill to compensate for EO consumption, others use one litre for convenience's sake and also because the oil consumption issue can be solved very easily by tuning the engine to run at expected speeds without overheating.

 

A small amount of oil consumption is natural for an old machine with less than perfect piston ring sealing, that's why it's recommended to check the engine oil level every week or so. The bike will "tell" you this way if oil consumption is normal. If the engine is tuned to run too lean (like the majority of shops including Planet like to do to get that fierce, fast-accelerating noise), then lower grades of engine oil cannot take the heat and simply break down / evaporate.

 

It's much more convenient, and quite easy to isolate the cause of the oil consumption, rather than overfilling the engine. Overfilling eventually causes rotating parts of the engine to churn the oil into frappucino causing even more oil consumption and possible engine damage since foamed oil no longer forms a protective film on the metal. (and we all know metal to metal contact is bad).

 

Oil weight is up to end user preference. For a start, just use a 50 weight (10w50, 15w50, etc) for the tried and true principle of "thicker oil, better high temperature / shear resistance".

 

Later on down the road, you may find that 50-weight oil generates a fair bit of pumping drag on the engine, reducing top speed. That's why my favourite oil is now a 10W40 fully synthetic... because Phantoms rev up to 8000rpm all day long at highway speeds achieving sprint speeds of up to 120kph during your daily commute. So, unlike convention, treating and tuning it like a race engine works wonders for reliability. (this is my personal experience)

 

Synthetic oil can take the "heat" of a lean, max horsepower configuration and are generally inexpensive anyway, if you stay away from Motul 300V. There are oils just as good but half the price.

 

At the end of the day, this engine like all small cc Honda mills, are heavily overengineered and can take a lot of abuse and still smile at you every day. So it doesn't matter whose maintenance procedure you follow, so long as it runs and you're happy. Satisfied rider = don't care about the world

[revhappy]

Just get one litre and "let god sort it out"

 

No point bickering over the last 1-200ml as slightly over or under filled is still within running tolerances.

 

Some overfill to compensate for EO consumption, others use one litre for convenience's sake and also because the oil consumption issue can be solved very easily by tuning the engine to run at expected speeds without overheating.

 

A small amount of oil consumption is natural for an old machine with less than perfect piston ring sealing, that's why it's recommended to check the engine oil level every week or so. The bike will "tell" you this way if oil consumption is normal. If the engine is tuned to run too lean (like the majority of shops including Planet like to do to get that fierce, fast-accelerating noise), then lower grades of engine oil cannot take the heat and simply break down / evaporate.

 

It's much more convenient, and quite easy to isolate the cause of the oil consumption, rather than overfilling the engine. Overfilling eventually causes rotating parts of the engine to churn the oil into frappucino causing even more oil consumption and possible engine damage since foamed oil no longer forms a protective film on the metal. (and we all know metal to metal contact is bad).

 

Oil weight is up to end user preference. For a start, just use a 50 weight (10w50, 15w50, etc) for the tried and true principle of "thicker oil, better high temperature / shear resistance".

 

Later on down the road, you may find that 50-weight oil generates a fair bit of pumping drag on the engine, reducing top speed. That's why my favourite oil is now a 10W40 fully synthetic... because Phantoms rev up to 8000rpm all day long at highway speeds achieving sprint speeds of up to 120kph during your daily commute. So, unlike convention, treating and tuning it like a race engine works wonders for reliability. (this is my personal experience)

 

Synthetic oil can take the "heat" of a lean, max horsepower configuration and are generally inexpensive anyway, if you stay away from Motul 300V. There are oils just as good but half the price.

 

At the end of the day, this engine like all small cc Honda mills, are heavily overengineered and can take a lot of abuse and still smile at you every day. So it doesn't matter whose maintenance procedure you follow, so long as it runs and you're happy. Satisfied rider = don't care about the world

 

Thanks a lot bro. Your advice is always helpful. I will just go with the tried and tested 1 Ltr of Chex 9000, then,that has worked wonders on my pulsar

 

Cheers!

[Pandoras Kitten 3]

There is one small issue - Planet just ran out of Chex and said the supplier can't keep up with demand!

 

I switched to Pennzoil Titanium 4T (10W40 $24) yesterday but its a bit costier and less convenient. Walked to Motoworld to get it while Ah Chong was installing new suspension.

 

Decent alternatives currently available at Planet include Motul mineral and semi (20 plus dollars) and Maxima (40 or 50 weight syn or blend, your choice) - also 20 plus.

 

I read about a shop in Ang Mo Kio that does sell Chex but I'm not too familiar with that area.

[revhappy]

There is one small issue - Planet just ran out of Chex and said the supplier can't keep up with demand!

 

I switched to Pennzoil Titanium 4T (10W40 $24) yesterday but its a bit costier and less convenient. Walked to Motoworld to get it while Ah Chong was installing new suspension.

 

Decent alternatives currently available at Planet include Motul mineral and semi (20 plus dollars) and Maxima (40 or 50 weight syn or blend, your choice) - also 20 plus.

 

I read about a shop in Ang Mo Kio that does sell Chex but I'm not too familiar with that area.

 

Thanks, Actually I was the one who updated here about the AMK shop. Chex is quite popular and available in many shops. I have seen it in some shops in Tampines Industrial area and also in AMK industrial area.

 

Later today I will head to Tampines Ind Area and see if I can find a bottle of Chex.

[CSV]

Chex and Fuchs are gone.

 

Ah Chong said the distributor went bankrupt already. This morning went service, no more Chex and only a few bottles of Fuchs Silkolene left.

[revhappy]

Chex and Fuchs are gone.

 

Ah Chong said the distributor went bankrupt already. This morning went service, no more Chex and only a few bottles of Fuchs Silkolene left.

 

Oh damn! thats really sad. One good oil is out of the market now, now I guess no choice but to experiment with HDEO.

[CSV]

hmm, ok la. chex for me quite ok. but degrades very fast. after 1.5k km, broke down already. shifting abit hard to go into gear 1, and vibration quite alot.

 

so i switched to Maxima Maxum 4 extra ($21). 10w40 versus chex 10w50.

 

WOOOOOOO. never knew viscosity difference can change so much. Now the bike acceleration response better, feels lighter, shifting is slick. but that may be because its new oil la. shall update after 1k km.

[naim]

wah.. no more Chex? sadded.. tot of using dat once finish my running in soon.. nvm lar.. back to the good old cheap HDEO!

[jtzx]

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Bel-Ray-96262-Thumper-20W50-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Belray thumper 20w50(Unique motorsports/hkl) $18

Hydher - After 1000k,gear shifting was slick 4.5/5

TheChosenX - I loved it to the end. Only after 1000k++ that the throttle is smoother and engine has lesser vibration. 4.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_malaysia/STAGING/local_assets/images/products/mco_power14t_malaysia_375x253.jpg

Castrol Power 1 15w40 (Thailand) 100 baht / S$4.26

VidaK - Gear changing is a little stiff, engine sounds rough and top speed is much lower than before 2/5

jianping - worst EO on my bike, engine feels less powerful,noisy and rough.. need to throttle alot more to attain 90km/hr on expressway.. avoid this.. i bought at $12.. 1/5

 

 

 

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3716/dsc00359e.jpg

Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 (planet) $16 (UM) $18

VidaK - No gear changing problems, or other problems. Although there is more vibration then quality oils, it is good value for your money 4/5

jtzx- Great fully syn Eo. which is value for money which can last at least 2.5k millege 5/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to FUCHS brand.

naim - awesome value for money. the smoothness is remarkable considering the price. but felt it become a little rough wen hitting the 2k mark

TheChosenX - Didnt like it at all. Was very rough all the way. And even in my new bike it evaporated almost 20% of it. But then again is value for money. 2/5

 

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5391/photodw.jpg

FUCHS Silkolene 15w50 (planet) $10

byon - very good at start, throttle on and i can feel the pull from my bike never before. significant performance degraded after 1k.

Hydher - I hated it after 1k, gear changing was rough as hell and stuck at neutrals 2/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to CHEX brand.

icearmour- gear changing was very hard..too much vibration as well..changed after 500km...1/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-32901-Maxum4-Extra-100-Synthetic-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-15W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 15w50 extra (planet) $21

VidaK - no problems with the bike, but compared to the chex, this oil lost outright since its much more expensive... 3/5

icearmour - no problems, speed, smoothness, vibration etc all are at decent levels...but not the best in anything so 4/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-35901B-Maxum4-Synthetic-Blend-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-20W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 20w50 synblend (planet) $15

Hydher - Was used for long distance travelling. Was soso. 4/5

nuttybing - can feel the roughness in changing gears after around 1300km, so so only 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-36901-Maxum4-Ultra-100-Synthetic-High-RPM-Formula-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-5W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 5w50 ultra (planet) $23

VidaK - No doubt it is a good oil, but it is a little expensive 3.5/5

 

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9615/img0237e.jpg

Mobil 20w50 $7

Pending reviews

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/300V_4T_FACTORYLINE_15W50.jpg

Motul 300v 15w50 (planet) $28

VidaK - The smoothest is unreal. In fact top speed increased. 4.5/5

ckoonyin - very smooth; last me until 1000km before it started to get rough 4/5

ckoonyin - 2nd time using it again, damn smooth, gear changes are very positive. engine vibration is noticably muted compared to Motul 7100

icearmour- overall smoothness increased nicely:thumb:vibration still there but slightly lesser....4/5

 

http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/images/MCF_900.jpg

Amsoil 10W40 (UM) $28

TheChosenX - Really like this oil. Used it for 3k before i change the next and still smooth. A little expensive but i like the smoothness of it. 4.8/5

 

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/5100_4T_15W50_1L_A.jpg

Motul 5100 15w50 (semi)

nuttybing - Gear changing is really smooth, can feel the power along with the throttle, around 2000km can feel it deteriorating 4/5

ckoonyin - roughness was similar before i did EO change from Motul 300 3/5

 

 

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9716/7100fullsyntheticesterm.jpg

Motul 7100 10w40 100% Syn Ester $22

lycan - still trying it out. feels smoother than Motul 5100.

ckoonyin - not much diff between Motul 5100

TheChosenX - Trying it out for the first time. Throttle is so much smoother and more responsive. But nosiy compared to my thumper 20W50.

 

 

NASA [Which series?]10w40 (planet) $10

Hydher - Not bad in all rounders even price. 4/5.

jtzx - pick up quite bad but over all good.. 3.5/5

armani123sg- acceleration faster, nicer sound, better than the FUCHS and CHEX but my FC decrease from usually 40km/hr on FUCHS/CHEX to 37km/hr on NASA...

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_9969.jpg

Putoline SUPER DX 4 SEMI SYN $8 LAB

Rating 2.5/5. Useable for 2k and you get what you pay for.

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_0242.jpg

Total 15w50 $8.90

jtzx - Bought this at carefour for only $5.90 for my DIy oiler.

 

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/tosco1122/HR50white.jpg

Verity 15w50 fully synthetic (planet) $26

VidaK - It is very good, but not the best. Quite expensive also... 3.5/5

Amsoil 10w40(25$)

icearmour- gear changing is the smoothess among all..less vibration and as good as motul 300v..top speed not so great so 4/5

 

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b35/adiknaim/liquimoly.jpg

Liquimoly 10W50 Fully synthetic (Equipment Extreme) $24

naim - very smooth. very slick gear changes. doesn't get rough at full throttle. vibration is strong due to its thickness, but u can feel that its smooth. though abit expensive. 4.5/5

 

http://www.honda2wheelersindia.com/images/honda-genuine-oil.gif (Thai version) $12

Original Honda Motor Oil 0W20 Similar to the picture except the words are all Thai.

Icomeforyou - Loved this motor oil, cheap and good. Smooth, and gear is smooth. The oil once changed you can feel its thickness. My vehicle was "growling". Top speed okay, not much improvement, but riding is smooth. Best utilized at 85 - 95 there abouts. Can feel it starting to break down around the 1k~1.5k mark

[naim]

Added review on Mobil 1 Super 4T

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Bel-Ray-96262-Thumper-20W50-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Belray thumper 20w50(Unique motorsports/hkl) $18

Hydher - After 1000k,gear shifting was slick 4.5/5

TheChosenX - I loved it to the end. Only after 1000k++ that the throttle is smoother and engine has lesser vibration. 4.5/5

 

 

 

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/bp_internet/castrol/castrol_malaysia/STAGING/local_assets/images/products/mco_power14t_malaysia_375x253.jpg

Castrol Power 1 15w40 (Thailand) 100 baht / S$4.26

VidaK - Gear changing is a little stiff, engine sounds rough and top speed is much lower than before 2/5

jianping - worst EO on my bike, engine feels less powerful,noisy and rough.. need to throttle alot more to attain 90km/hr on expressway.. avoid this.. i bought at $12.. 1/5

 

 

 

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3716/dsc00359e.jpg

Chessa Chex 9000 10w50 (planet) $16 (UM) $18

VidaK - No gear changing problems, or other problems. Although there is more vibration then quality oils, it is good value for your money 4/5

jtzx- Great fully syn Eo. which is value for money which can last at least 2.5k millege 5/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to FUCHS brand.

naim - awesome value for money. the smoothness is remarkable considering the price. but felt it become a little rough wen hitting the 2k mark

TheChosenX - Didnt like it at all. Was very rough all the way. And even in my new bike it evaporated almost 20% of it. But then again is value for money. 2/5

 

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5391/photodw.jpg

FUCHS Silkolene 15w50 (planet) $10

byon - very good at start, throttle on and i can feel the pull from my bike never before. significant performance degraded after 1k.

Hydher - I hated it after 1k, gear changing was rough as hell and stuck at neutrals 2/5

armani123sg- gd, no problems but didnt feel any diff comparing to CHEX brand.

icearmour- gear changing was very hard..too much vibration as well..changed after 500km...1/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-32901-Maxum4-Extra-100-Synthetic-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-15W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 15w50 extra (planet) $21

VidaK - no problems with the bike, but compared to the chex, this oil lost outright since its much more expensive... 3/5

icearmour - no problems, speed, smoothness, vibration etc all are at decent levels...but not the best in anything so 4/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-35901B-Maxum4-Synthetic-Blend-4-Stroke-Motor-Oil-20W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 20w50 synblend (planet) $15

Hydher - Was used for long distance travelling. Was soso. 4/5

nuttybing - can feel the roughness in changing gears after around 1300km, so so only 3/5

 

http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Aftermarket-Motorcycle-Products/Chemicals-Lubricants/4-Stroke-Motor-Oil/Maxima-36901-Maxum4-Ultra-100-Synthetic-High-RPM-Formula-4-Stroke-Racing-Motor-Oil-5W50-1-Liter-Bottle.jpg

Maxima 5w50 ultra (planet) $23

VidaK - No doubt it is a good oil, but it is a little expensive 3.5/5

 

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9615/img0237e.jpg

Mobil 20w50 $7

naim - using this cheap mineral EO for running-in.. so far so good.. using it at 500km intervals (kiasu! haha!) but actually not dat bad.. quite value for money.. just shorter OCI is recommended.. good gear change and tolerable vibrations..

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/300V_4T_FACTORYLINE_15W50.jpg

Motul 300v 15w50 (planet) $28

VidaK - The smoothest is unreal. In fact top speed increased. 4.5/5

ckoonyin - very smooth; last me until 1000km before it started to get rough 4/5

ckoonyin - 2nd time using it again, damn smooth, gear changes are very positive. engine vibration is noticably muted compared to Motul 7100

icearmour- overall smoothness increased nicely:thumb:vibration still there but slightly lesser....4/5

 

http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/images/MCF_900.jpg

Amsoil 10W40 (UM) $28

TheChosenX - Really like this oil. Used it for 3k before i change the next and still smooth. A little expensive but i like the smoothness of it. 4.8/5

 

 

http://www.motul.com.sg/product_line_up/4stroke/images/product_images/5100_4T_15W50_1L_A.jpg

Motul 5100 15w50 (semi)

nuttybing - Gear changing is really smooth, can feel the power along with the throttle, around 2000km can feel it deteriorating 4/5

ckoonyin - roughness was similar before i did EO change from Motul 300 3/5

 

 

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/9716/7100fullsyntheticesterm.jpg

Motul 7100 10w40 100% Syn Ester $22

lycan - still trying it out. feels smoother than Motul 5100.

ckoonyin - not much diff between Motul 5100

TheChosenX - Trying it out for the first time. Throttle is so much smoother and more responsive. But nosiy compared to my thumper 20W50.

 

 

NASA [Which series?]10w40 (planet) $10

Hydher - Not bad in all rounders even price. 4/5.

jtzx - pick up quite bad but over all good.. 3.5/5

armani123sg- acceleration faster, nicer sound, better than the FUCHS and CHEX but my FC decrease from usually 40km/hr on FUCHS/CHEX to 37km/hr on NASA...

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_9969.jpg

Putoline SUPER DX 4 SEMI SYN $8 LAB

Rating 2.5/5. Useable for 2k and you get what you pay for.

 

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff37/hydher/bike/IMG_0242.jpg

Total 15w50 $8.90

jtzx - Bought this at carefour for only $5.90 for my DIy oiler.

 

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/tosco1122/HR50white.jpg

Verity 15w50 fully synthetic (planet) $26

VidaK - It is very good, but not the best. Quite expensive also... 3.5/5

Amsoil 10w40(25$)

icearmour- gear changing is the smoothess among all..less vibration and as good as motul 300v..top speed not so great so 4/5

 

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b35/adiknaim/liquimoly.jpg

Liquimoly 10W50 Fully synthetic (Equipment Extreme) $24

naim - very smooth. very slick gear changes. doesn't get rough at full throttle. vibration is strong due to its thickness, but u can feel that its smooth. though abit expensive. 4.5/5

 

http://www.honda2wheelersindia.com/images/honda-genuine-oil.gif (Thai version) $12

Original Honda Motor Oil 0W20 Similar to the picture except the words are all Thai.

Icomeforyou - Loved this motor oil, cheap and good. Smooth, and gear is smooth. The oil once changed you can feel its thickness. My vehicle was "growling". Top speed okay, not much improvement, but riding is smooth. Best utilized at 85 - 95 there abouts. Can feel it starting to break down around the 1k~1.5k mark

[naim]

for those avid Chex 9000 fans, there still seems to be stock at Unique Kaki Bukit when i dropped by just now... saw some ppl servicing wif that, but nt sure abt stocks.. can call to check before going down lar..

[jevan]

planet should have stock, i just changed my eo last monday.

[sparklight]

Bros and Sis,

 

Just my curiousity, how come Shell Advance didn't have much review here, was it due to the cost or the performance? Cox I am using it, but it seems that after 700km plus, the engine oil on the dip stick droped by half between high level and low. So do you have any advice for me.

 

Thanks everyone

[naim]

shell advance is quite ex ryt? cux at shell station i saw its like $26? and its rare to see it in bikeshops.. i personally hvnt... maybe u cud give us a review on it?

 

anw, its pretty common for phantoms to lose some EO, esp older ones.. since the engine is so hot to start wif and no water cooling system... some say it cud be ur carburettor setting being on the lean side (making it hot)... my bike used to eat up abt 500ml every 2 weeks before overhauling.. seriously! cux my pistons gone liao... sumtyms, the EO brand does play a part.. for mine, Chex 9000 was the worst... sumtyms one week alot gone...

 

if i were you, jux make sure u constantly check the EO level... i did EVERYDAY!! and top up wen needed..as long as the bottom of the dipstick got, is enuf.. dun over top-up as well...

[Hydher]

Bros and Sis,

 

Just my curiousity, how come Shell Advance didn't have much review here, was it due to the cost or the performance? Cox I am using it, but it seems that after 700km plus, the engine oil on the dip stick droped by half between high level and low. So do you have any advice for me.

 

Thanks everyone

 

Not stocked at common bike shops. Well, Do a routine check after a certain mileage. As long as its above the min level, it is fine.

[sparklight]

Dear Naim and Hydher,

 

Thanks for sharing. Indeed i check with a lot of bike shops, Shell marketing do not really market their EO in bike shops, but they have already made a name for themselves i guess.

 

I have been using Shell Advance 10-40W Full Syn since with VPower ever since bike under my care. Power is there if you really need to sprint to avoid a near-end incident. But i guess everthing comes at a price. The EO is good at start up especially early morning dew period. I always get my ride startup at one time push of the crankstart button.

 

But recently they have change the engine oil feature again. Going to try the new type tomorrow by changing out the EO.

 

I would like to post pictures of the oil. How can i upload photos here?

 

Thanks a lot

[ahch0ng]

for those avid Chex 9000 fans, there still seems to be stock at Unique Kaki Bukit when i dropped by just now... saw some ppl servicing wif that, but nt sure abt stocks.. can call to check before going down lar..

Planet has stock for this. I've just changed today!

[willtam]

Planet has stock for this. I've just changed today!

 

 

I still like to know how come no bikers used grade - weighttage 30 as in 5w30 ?