Yamaha X1R better or Spark135??

[E GREAT1]

Dear ppl.. i m new n nid help in choosing between Yamaha X1R & Spark135. which is better compare to speed, FC and maintaining? and is both bike PUSH START? or KICK START? cos i prefer PUSH START:)

[rejabtheman]

both are roughly the same bike,same engine...only e looks r different... so maintenance will be roughly similar... and both are push start but a kickstarter is included..

[zyrofillica]

push start? would that be actually e-start? unless you really enjoy running with ur bike and cranking it to start everyday~

[JackOHJack]

wahahaz, push start sounds veli tiring.

 

think ts meant e start.

 

both bike agah same la, u try both see which one more comfortable lor. coz seat profile diff from wat i gathered.

 

spark 135 rear brake is drum or disc brake?

[rejabtheman]

lol yah he meant push-button start ... spark 135 rear brake is drum... think '09 one is disc brake

[E GREAT1]

LOL sori guys:) i really pei seh now.. haha ya its E-start LOL i m laughing @ myself now:) & thanks: rejabtheman and JackOHJack for providing wif those information:) i m happi to hear tt there r both KICK n E-start:) lik tt safer a bit? haa i mean if 1 don work still gt the other:) em but wad is drum brake? wad e different between drum n disc? n which 1 better? haha

[Romi_ku]

to me rear disc is better. drum brakes always got the screeching sound. both kick and e-start good la. i always kickstart bike and last time when i pass, got few times stall engine, lucky got e-start. LOL

[breadman]

Drum Brakes

 

Early automotive brake systems, after the era of hand levers of course, used a drum design at all four wheels. They were called drum brakes because the components were housed in a round drum that rotated along with the wheel. Inside was a set of shoes that, when the brake pedal was pressed, would force the shoes against the drum and slow the wheel. Fluid was used to transfer the movement of the brake pedal into the movement of the brake shoes, while the shoes themselves were made of a heat-resistant friction material similar to that used on clutch plates.

 

This basic design proved capable under most circumstances, but it had one major flaw. Under high braking conditions, like descending a steep hill with a heavy load or repeated high-speed slow downs, drum brakes would often fade and lose effectiveness. Usually this fading was the result of too much heat build-up within the drum. Remember that the principle of braking involves turning kinetic energy (wheel movement) into thermal energy (heat). For this reason, drum brakes can only operate as long as they can absorb the heat generated by slowing a vehicle's wheels. Once the brake components themselves become saturated with heat, they lose the ability to halt a vehicle, which can be somewhat disconcerting to the vehicle's operator.

 

Disc Brakes

 

Though disc brakes rely on the same basic principles to slow a vehicle (friction and heat), their design is far superior to that of drum brakes. Instead of housing the major components within a metal drum, disc brakes use a slim rotor and small caliper to halt wheel movement. Within the caliper are two brake pads, one on each side of the rotor, that clamp together when the brake pedal is pressed. Once again, fluid is used to transfer the movement of the brake pedal into the movement of the brake pads.

 

But unlike drum brakes, which allow heat to build up inside the drum during heavy braking, the rotor used in disc brakes is fully exposed to outside air. This exposure works to constantly cool the rotor, greatly reducing its tendency to overheat or cause fading. Not surprisingly, it was under racing circumstances that the weaknesses of drum brakes and the strengths of disc brakes were first illustrated. Racers with disc brake systems could carry their speed "deeper" into a corner and apply greater braking force at the last possible second without overheating the components. Eventually, as with so many other automotive advances, this technology filtered down to the cars driven by everyday people on public roads.

 

taken from here: http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/techcenter/articles/43857/article.html

[mild_slevin]

lol yah he meant push-button start ... spark 135 rear brake is drum... think '09 one is disc brake

 

2009 Spark is rear disc brake? wah...

 

Basically they using the same engine... quite a number of accessories they can share among.

 

by the way Spark 135 gear pattern is : N-1-2-3-4

 

whereas X-1R is : 1-N-2-3-4

 

don't forget X-1R got that "R" bloodline wahaha...

[E GREAT1]

to me rear disc is better. drum brakes always got the screeching sound. both kick and e-start good la. i always kickstart bike and last time when i pass, got few times stall engine, lucky got e-start. LOL

 

LOL cos i jus pass also.. so scare will stall also lol tt why nid a E-start first haha

[Don.]

dun worry horr..standert x1r n spark wont easily stall one..unless u really noob n u bribe ur tp to passss..easy to ride laa both bikes. i also hav a hard time choosing spark or x1r last time but i proceed to buy x1r instead.. diff ppl diff preference

[Sharkz]

:thumb: x1r

spark135

 

selling my x1r soon, FBB, 3500, anyone interested???

[Theyiqin]

spark posture would be better compare to x1r

[mild_slevin]

dun worry horr..standert x1r n spark wont easily stall one..unless u really noob n u bribe ur tp to passss..easy to ride laa both bikes. i also hav a hard time choosing spark or x1r last time but i proceed to buy x1r instead.. diff ppl diff preference

 

the only headache part for kick start is u must engage "neutral" gear first then u can kick start... but keep calm and try again if u ever stall ur engine...

[gtr]

i had to make same choice mid last year.

 

These were the facts at my time of purchase:

 

*Spark only had clutchless manual and the not so good rear drum brake. But had e-start

 

*X1-R only had e-start on the base model (spoke rims). If you wanted sports rims, then the bike did not come with e-start.

 

Spark indeed has a more upright riding position, but the X1 is no where near a sports bike position, and is still comfortable. IMO X1 looks better, sportier, and if you want clutch i dont think you have a choice!

 

(I got X1R, no regrets)

[KeraKing]

the only headache part for kick start is u must engage "neutral" gear first then u can kick start... but keep calm and try again if u ever stall ur engine...

 

can just pull in clutch lever mah?

[KeraKing]

LOL cos i jus pass also.. so scare will stall also lol tt why nid a E-start first haha

 

haiyah a little bit of thing also u want to scared.

what about the dangers of riding? u not scared?

riding very danger, can break many bone, can lose many limb, can become vege can become corpse.

 

:thirsty:

[mild_slevin]

can just pull in clutch lever mah?

 

for X-1R engine can't clutch in and start engine with kick start, look up some reference and yes some engine are made in such a way...

[benson]

I've ridden a brand new x1r for 8mths den I sold it.

Wad I find is, the bike VERY underpower. unstable at speed above 80kph(think most kupkia also lidat).

brakes suck! unless u upgrade the front rotor n pads.

FC very gd! 50+km per L. whack like no tmr also can clock 45km.

Pros

-light weight, gd to squeeze here n there. But, I only 59kg, fetch fren 45kg, the bike feel like 50cc.

- Relac bike, engine not hot.

 

Cons

-If u put box, bike will wobble if u ride 1 hand.

-Rev finish very fast, so need to shift fast but at end of all gears, still very SLOW.

-cruising at 100kph like engine gg to explode. Even mine's new bike n run in properly.

 

So wad I find is, cut short, its a slow n unstable bike wid lousy braking power.

But u save alot on petrol n maintainance.

But seriously, I dun like the feel of riding a cupkia.

[GSX86]

Hi guys! can i check whats the market price for spark135 ? tot of buying. lols

[JackOHJack]

I've ridden a brand new x1r for 8mths den I sold it.

Wad I find is, the bike VERY underpower. unstable at speed above 80kph(think most kupkia also lidat).

brakes suck! unless u upgrade the front rotor n pads.

FC very gd! 50+km per L. whack like no tmr also can clock 45km.

Pros

-light weight, gd to squeeze here n there. But, I only 59kg, fetch fren 45kg, the bike feel like 50cc.

- Relac bike, engine not hot.

 

Cons

-If u put box, bike will wobble if u ride 1 hand.

-Rev finish very fast, so need to shift fast but at end of all gears, still very SLOW.

-cruising at 100kph like engine gg to explode. Even mine's new bike n run in properly.

 

So wad I find is, cut short, its a slow n unstable bike wid lousy braking power.

But u save alot on petrol n maintainance.

But seriously, I dun like the feel of riding a cupkia.

 

nice breakdown of x1r pros and cons.

 

but a bit off coz ts wanted x1r vs spark, not x1r vs super comfortable sports bike with lots of power etc..

[Acalanatha]

...can i check whats the market price for spark135 ? tot of buying. lols

 

You may refer to this post : http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5852751&postcount=2524

 

You should do some walking and homework. Stay calm and beware of con artist sale person.

 

Cheers

[benson]

price reference for x1r.... I sold my fbc x1r wid basic mods. PA2, bt39 tires, recing boy rims, yamaha racing footrest, givi e36, racing boy fork stabilizer, yamaha levers, yamaha balancers, etc nicely wrap seat n some minor stuffs which total up to abt 1.2k.

Sold off when only 8mths old. mileage think abt 4-5000km.

For $3300.

But now think if u go bike pro, fbc machine price ard 3k+ too.

 

TS, eva tot of pulsar? cos got gd speed, easy to maintain n super gd fc.