Lube your chain

[crazydj]

Just wondering what chain lubes you guys are using? Had tried maxima synthetic lubes, very disappointed by the fling off even thought I warmed the chain before lubing it..

 

Was previously using motul road c2, sticky type of lubes, fling off is almost zero, but attract dirt and sand easier..

 

So what you guys recommend? Any advice?

 

 

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I used to use maxima chain lube. It was good, but flung off alot. Then i used another brand, holts chain lube, flung off alot too. Then i use maxima chain wax. Was damn good, but keep running out. So in the end i gave up and just splash used EO. Haha.

[Cyanide14]

what's the diffference between chain lube and chain wax?

[crazydj]

what's the diffference between chain lube and chain wax?

 

Lube is like regular lube. Consistency of perhaps WD40 like that. Wax, well, its like WD40 when you spray out of the can, but a few seconds later, it will harden at room temperature. Feels like sticky wax or hard honey or caramel. When you ride, chain gets hot, it will feel like super thick EO or honey or contact glue. Chain wax basically does not fling off when you ride but its a ***** to clean.

[heysugar]

I used to use maxima chain lube. It was good, but flung off alot. Then i used another brand, holts chain lube, flung off alot too. Then i use maxima chain wax. Was damn good, but keep running out. So in the end i gave up and just splash used EO. Haha.

 

Yup, honestly maxima feels good, like not so rough compared to the motul c2, but the fling really nothing to say, like those cheap chain lubes you find at jb,

 

Guess the only way is to apply the maxima chain wax on top of the lube if you're a hardcore maxima fan haha

 

 

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[4th_Espada]

saw a honda dealer video some time back on lubing the chain..what they did was spraying the chain lube and after a few spin they will spray with a chain wax..According to their explanation it is to bed and seal the lube from fling...

[heysugar]

saw a honda dealer video some time back on lubing the chain..what they did was spraying the chain lube and after a few spin they will spray with a chain wax..According to their explanation it is to bed and seal the lube from fling...

 

Yup, but lube + wax = pay more and do more.. Would rather get other brands of lubes, needing to apply wax after the lube is just stupid I think. Now thinking of ways use the remaining maxima lube, can lube on clutch cables?

 

 

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[vtec88]

Bros,

 

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[heysugar]

Ok.. Had switch back to motul chain lubes, washed the chain, dried it with cloths without riding and lubed. Let it settle for 30 mins, BAM! Zero fling ^^ motul chain lube stickiness really powerful!

 

 

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[stfu]

Lube with 2t every 500km, my rm40 chain still going strong after 1 year of usage.

So, lube it often, the chain will go a long way.

[ezzyoiler]

sticky lube...some like it...just that..like spray cans lube or waxes.

good point..it is always there..no or limited throw offs..

bad point......pick up road grime. this constant pick up of road grimes turn chains grimy, chains is tough to clean.

some dont...and the chains is really very grimy. this grimy chains may give a false impression that the chain is well lubed. the the chain eventually fail earliear as a result of the road grimes..

liquid lube..like 2t. 4t, gear oil..

good point...chain is always clean if lubed regu;arly...like every ride..

bike runs smoother compared to sticky lube.

cleaning chains maybe unnecessary..

cleaning is easy ..just wipe with tissue

bad point....throw offs comes easily..making rims , swing arm, tyres..oily..

 

you decide what is best for you..

[ezzyoiler]

there is much controversies with regards to chain lube..

ezzyoiler reccommends 2 t for its ezzyoiler..

someone will always disagree ...u know who..

 

here is an article on basic lubrication...

please read it...the article may be long..but itwill give you a clear understanding of lubrication basiscs..

for those who need to know more..go for a course in tribology..

 

here is the article..have a nice read.....you will understand lubrication better..

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[h=1]Lubrication Basics[/h]

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Tags: industrial lubricants One of the most important things an operator can do for his machinery is to make sure it is properly lubricated. So what is a lubricant and how does it affect operations when used properly? This paper will answer these questions and more by covering the fundamentals of lubrication. We will discuss how a lubricant works to remove friction, the physical and chemical properties of the lubricant, and the many functions of a lubricant.

Many people believe that a lubricant is simply used to make things “slippery.” While it is the primary function, there are more advantages to using the right lubricant. In addition to friction reduction, it also reduces the amount of wear that occurs during operation, reduces operating temperatures, minimizes corrosion of metal surfaces, and assists in keeping contaminants out of the system. Lubricants have many properties that can be mixed and matched to meet your operating needs. For example, there are different chemicals that can be added to allow a machine to efficiently run at extreme temperatures. We can also make a lubricant more effective in protecting machine surfaces under extreme pressures. By looking at the demands of the machine, you can properly identify the type of lubricant best suited for its proper function.

[h=2]What Is Lubrication?[/h]To understand what lubrication is, you first need to understand why we use it. Friction is the force that resists relative motion between two bodies in contact. If friction didn’t exist, nothing would ever stop moving. We need friction to function, but there are instances where you want to be able to reduce the amount of friction present. When you rub your hands together, you create heat because of the friction between the sliding surfaces of your hands. Now imagine rubbing your hands together 3600 times a minute – your hands would be on fire! Similar heat is generated by friction in your machinery. If the lubricant in your equipment has not been appropriately selected with standard operating temperatures, load, speed, etc., in mind, catastrophic failure may result.

You could wipe your bearings or if you stop your motor, for example, and the machine is too hot, you could seize the bearings. Either way, both are costly when you consider time lost, manpower used, and new equipment purchased. In order to avoid failures of this nature, we lubricate our machinery to minimize the resistance to movement, and as a result, minimize the amount of heat produced. The heat that is produced by the equipment is transferred to the oil so that it may be removed by a lube oil cooler. There are a lot of considerations that must be applied when selecting the type of lubricant we need to use: viscosity, additives needed, properties, etc.

Reducing friction and reducing heat are only a couple of the reasons we use lubricants. If you look under a microscope at two surfaces moving across each other, you would see something that looks like two mountain ranges rubbing against one another. As this happens, pieces of the weaker material break off and create smaller abrasive particles, resulting in more broken off pieces, which go on to create more abrasion. It’s a vicious cycle, and the way we prevent this from occurring is by creating a lubrication film. Two of the preferred and most common types of fluid related lubricant films are hydrodynamic and elastohydrodynamic. Hydrodynamic films are present between sliding contacts. The most common example would be a journal bearing.

When a shaft is still, it sits on the bottom of the bearing, but when it starts to move, it tries to “climb” up the side of the bearing. Microscopic layer upon layer of the lubricant create friction with each other and form an oil wedge between the shaft and the bearing, protecting both surfaces. Elastohydrodynamic films are present in rolling contacts, such as ball bearings or roller bearings. In this situation, the softer material makes up the rolling element which actually deforms for a split second to enlarge the contact area between mating surfaces. Here, the oil film thickness is one micron or less, which brings me to another reason for lubrication. We need to minimize foreign particles that may cause damage to this area.

Now in situations where the film layer is only one micron thick, you could imagine that any contaminants that are present can create major damage, so we try to eliminate as many as possible. While we can control the amount of contamination that enters a system by using seals, filters, and other quality controls, it’s impossible to completely eliminate machinery wear, even with the best lubricant films. So what do we do with the wear particles we can’t avoid? Certain additives in lubrication will be attracted to these contaminants, suspend them in the lubricant, and transfer them to filters or other separators installed in the system where they will be removed.

Finally, most places aren’t completely unaffected by humidity. So what does it mean when water and air come into contact with metal? Corrosion, and as we all know, that’s not good for machine operation. So how does a lubricant help with this problem? There are different additives, similar in operation to the additives used for contamination control, which prevent metal surfaces from coming in contact with water. This prevents the production of rust, therefore preventing damage to the metal machine surfaces.

So a lubricant is a substance that reduces friction, heat, and wear when introduced as a film between solid surfaces. Using the correct lubricant helps maximize the life of your bearings and machinery, therefore saving money, time, and manpower, thus making operations more efficient and more reliable.

[h=2]What Makes Up the Lubricants We Use?[/h]All lubricants start with a base oil. There are three types: mineral, synthetic, and vegetable. In industrial applications, we mostly deal with mineral and synthetic, so I would like to focus on these. Mineral oil comes from crude oil and the quality depends on the refining process. There is a grading scale for oil and different applications require different oil quality. Mineral oil is mainly made up of four different types of molecules – paraffin, branched paraffin, naphthene, and aromatic. Paraffinic oils have a long, straight chained structure, while branched paraffinic oils are the same with a branch off the side. These are used mainly in engine oils, industrial lubricants, and processing oils. Naphthenic oils have a saturated ring structure and are most common in moderate temperature applications. Aromatic oils have a non-saturated ring structure and are used for manufacturing seal compounds and adhesives. Synthetic oils are man-made fluids that have identical straight chained structures, much like the branched paraffinic oils. One of the benefits of a synthetic is that the molecular size and weight are constant while mineral oils vary greatly; therefore the properties are very predictable.

So why don’t we use synthetic oils all the time if we know exactly what it’s going to do? While there are many advantages to using a synthetic, there are almost as many reasons to not use it. The best quality mineral oil is mostly made up of paraffinic oils, like those in synthetic oil. So, in many applications, mineral oil is just as good as synthetic, and in these applications is most likely the preferred base due to synthetic’s high cost, toxicity, solubility, incompatibility, and hazardous disposal. However, in extreme applications where a high flash point, low pour point, fire resistance, thermal stability, high shear strength, or high viscosity index is needed, a synthetic may be just what’s required.

We briefly discussed a couple of the additives that are used with a base oil in order to improve performance, but I’d like to expand on the most common additives now. The most important property to look at when choosing a lubricant is its viscosity. This is the oil’s resistance to shear and flow. The simplest way to describe viscosity is to relate it to substances that we are familiar with. The higher an oil’s viscosity, the slower it flows. Molasses, for example, has a very high viscosity while baby oil has a very low viscosity. The viscosity required for an application depends on the speed, operating temperature, and type of bearing as well as the type of component, like a gearbox versus a motor. Working hand in hand with viscosity is the viscosity index, which relates change in viscosity due to temperature. The higher the viscosity index, the less viscosity is affected by temperature. This property can be improved with a viscosity index additive. Rust inhibitors protect surfaces against rust by forming a thin water repelling film on the metals surface. Dispersants help protect components against abrasion from wear products by enveloping particles and suspending them in the oil so that they may be easily flushed and removed from the system. Antiwear and extreme pressure (EP) additives react with a component’s surfaces to form a thin protective layer to prevent metal-to-metal contact. This is especially helpful in situations where there is high pressure or a lot of stop and start evolutions. Detergents work to neutralize acids and clean surfaces where deposits may be detrimental. Finally, defoamants weaken the surface tension of bubbles so that they may break easily and minimize foaming.

For any given oil, the ingredients are the base oil and the additives. The only difference for grease is that it also has a thickener. This is most commonly described as “the sponge that holds the lubricant.” Up to thirty percent of grease is made up of the thickener which is either a simple or complex soap. Simple soap is made up of long fibers and has a smooth, buttery texture. Examples of simple soaps are lithium, polyurea, calcium, and silica. Complex soap is made up of short and long fibers and has a more fibrous texture. Some examples are aluminum, sodium, and barium.

There are benefits of using a grease as opposed to oil in certain applications. Grease seals out contaminants, is better suited for insoluble solid additives like molybdenum disulfide and graphite, and has better stop-start performance because it doesn’t drain away like oil, for a lower chance of a dry start. However, the thickness of grease limits bearing speed, reduces cooling of components, makes for difficult sampling and analysis, and makes it difficult to determine the proper amount of grease that needs adding. This is something that must be taken into consideration when deciding if oil or grease would be better suited for the application.

With a basic understanding of lubrication, you can see there are quite a few advantages of using the proper lubrication in your machines. Higher efficiency, longer life, better reliability, and less money spent on maintenance are goals that every company strives to achieve. Learning more about proper lubrication programs and applying everything you learn will make these goals easily within reach

[ezzyoiler]

[h=2]from wikipedia. Fundamentals of tribology..[/h]The tribological interactions of a solid surface's exposed face with interfacing materials and environment may result in loss of material from the surface. The process leading to loss of material is known as "wear". Major types of wear include abrasion, friction (adhesion and cohesion), erosion, and corrosion. Wear can be minimized by modifying the surface properties of solids by one or more of "surface engineering" processes (also called surface finishing) or by use of lubricants (for frictional or adhesive wear).

Estimated direct and consequential annual loss to industries in the USA due to wear is approximately 1-2% of GDP. (Heinz, 1987). Engineered surfaces extend the working life of both original and recycled and resurfaced equipments, thus saving large sums of money and leading to conservation of material, energy and the environment. Methodologies to minimize wear include systematic approaches to diagnose the wear and to prescribe appropriate solutions. Important methods include:

• Terotechnology, where multidisciplinary engineering and management techniques are used to protect equipment and machinery from degradation (Peter Jost, 1972)
  
• Horst Czichos's systems approach, where appropriate material is selected by checking properties against tribological requirements under operating environment (H. Czichos,1978)
  
• Asset Management by Material Prognosis - a concept similar to terotechnology which has been introduced by the US Military (DARPA) for upkeep of equipment in good health and start-ready condition for 24 hours. Good health monitoring systems combined with appropriate remedies at maintenance and repair stages have led to improved performance, reliability and extended life cycle of the assets, such as advanced military hardware and civil aircraft.
  

In recent years,^[when?] micro- and nanotribology have been gaining ground. Frictional interactions in microscopically small components are becoming increasingly important for the development of new products in electronics, life sciences, chemistry, sensors and by extension for all modern technology

[ezzyoiler]

so you see ...

lubrication is really a HUGE SUBJECT....understanding it goes along way of maitaining your bike in tip top conditions..

[kkz]

Hi there may I know how long do u need to lube ur chains if u everyday use your bike

For my part time despatch work and also for my

Full time work?

[ezzyoiler]

Hi there may I know how long do u need to lube ur chains if u everyday use your bike

For my part time despatch work and also for my

Full time work?

Ezzyoiler recommends that you clean and lube every 500km.

asyou are a high milage rider..you will notice that you need to clean and lube very frequently....and tedious too.

the best is for you to install an ooiler ...one that can clean and lube easily..this will solve your chain maintenace problem easily..

[Hydher]

Ok.. Had switch back to motul chain lubes, washed the chain, dried it with cloths without riding and lubed. Let it settle for 30 mins, BAM! Zero fling ^^ motul chain lube stickiness really powerful!

 

 

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Hi, where to get a the best deal for this motul chain lube? (:

 

Lube with 2t every 500km, my rm40 chain still going strong after 1 year of usage.

So, lube it often, the chain will go a long way.

 

2t is better than 4t. But it is very "thin". It flings too much and is dangerous if you are riding a class 2 sport bike when it gets to the tires. I didnt really care about it on my steed. Chain is smooth but the 2t doesnt stick to the chain.

 

Hi there may I know how long do u need to lube ur chains if u everyday use your bike

For my part time despatch work and also for my

Full time work?

 

Reccomended is every 500 KM.

[Hydher]

Anyway folks, i saw http://image5.sahibinden.com/photos/60/92/51/big_43609251u39.jpg

Ipone Sand Chain. The chain spray has a slight white colour appearance as told by the mech.

750ML for Slightly over $20!!

 

Had a sample done at raceworks by a friendly chap. I think it might just be as good as the dupont chain saver/multi use.

The spray is also better than the dupont chain saver.

However.. I think this 400ML dupont chain saver will last me for about a year or so =.=" Thus, i didnt buy it.

Its such a good deal!

 

For the first time, I tried spraying WD40 on a rag then wipe clean my chain. Works great and smells awesome(compared to kerosene)

Kerosene also creates this oily film that is damn hard to get off.

 

I used maxima chain wax for about 1.5 years.

Althought it definitely has almost no fling, When riding beside barriers or trucks, I know that there are "dead spots". These dead spots are elimated when i added some 2t to the chain. The crude formed on your sprocket and chain from fine sand and dirt is a nightmare.

 

The maxima chain guard flings like a cheap lube.

 

I cant afford any flings on my Gixxer tires!!

[Sky99]

If after a heavy rain, the chain is dripping with water.. Do you immediatly lube the chain ?

[ezzyoiler]

if you have an oiler...no need...others ???

[Hydher]

If after a heavy rain, the chain is dripping with water.. Do you immediatly lube the chain ?

 

Wait till the weather clears so it will adhere better.

[Isopropyl]

If after a heavy rain, the chain is dripping with water.. Do you immediatly lube the chain ?

 

i lube right after the rain. sprocket about 35,000km and chain about 30,000km now. change the chain early as i over tighten while learning how to DIY on my bike. few weeks ago while changing braking material, the mech checked and told me they are still in excellent condition.

 

i use nothing but cheapo 4T. i suspect although keeping the chain oil is important, the right tension and picking up speed smoothly is equally important as well. the chain is very clean and i hardly clean it.

[Senna4Ever]

Hi Ezzyoiler bro,

 

Just curious . . . can your ezzyoiler system use scottoiler's oil/lube from their refill packs and vice versa?

 

Thanks.

[CSV]

Anyway folks, i saw http://image5.sahibinden.com/photos/60/92/51/big_43609251u39.jpg

Ipone Sand Chain. The chain spray has a slight white colour appearance as told by the mech.

750ML for Slightly over $20!!

 

Had a sample done at raceworks by a friendly chap. I think it might just be as good as the dupont chain saver/multi use.

The spray is also better than the dupont chain saver.

However.. I think this 400ML dupont chain saver will last me for about a year or so =.=" Thus, i didnt buy it.

Its such a good deal!

 

For the first time, I tried spraying WD40 on a rag then wipe clean my chain. Works great and smells awesome(compared to kerosene)

Kerosene also creates this oily film that is damn hard to get off.

 

I used maxima chain wax for about 1.5 years.

Althought it definitely has almost no fling, When riding beside barriers or trucks, I know that there are "dead spots". These dead spots are elimated when i added some 2t to the chain. The crude formed on your sprocket and chain from fine sand and dirt is a nightmare.

 

The maxima chain guard flings like a cheap lube.

 

I cant afford any flings on my Gixxer tires!!

 

don't use wd-40 ah @Hydher. will dry out the bearings over time. use degreaser instead. i use muc-off. 12 bucks for a big can. spray on tissue, wipe the chain a few times, the old black lube and grease is gone. then spray new lube. 30 mins finish.

 

i actually found a lube similar to dupont one. S100 bike lube. its in german so dunno what it means but its meant for motorcycle chains. goes on clear, no fling. can be found in Unique motors.

[Hydher]

don't use wd-40 ah @Hydher. will dry out the bearings over time. use degreaser instead. i use muc-off. 12 bucks for a big can. spray on tissue, wipe the chain a few times, the old black lube and grease is gone. then spray new lube. 30 mins finish.

 

i actually found a lube similar to dupont one. S100 bike lube. its in german so dunno what it means but its meant for motorcycle chains. goes on clear, no fling. can be found in Unique motors.

 

30 Mins bro?

I spend 5 mins to both cleaning and lubing

You need to see my chain

 

More time needs to be spend enjoying the ride. hehehe..

 

Alot of debate on WD40 and lubing, http://www.pashnit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16484&page=3

 

Thanks I will look it up.

But the can of sand chain from ipone might last me close to half a decade

[Bet2ty]

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