VFR 800

[inzaghi_75]

SINFULLY DELICIOUS ICE CREAM OUTING

 

 

DATE : 13th July 2006

TIME : 2000H

VENUE : Island Creamery, 10 Jalan Serene, Serene Centre, #01-05.

 

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1. Inzaghi_75

2. Pauche

3. Emptyvessel

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Guys if ya interested to enjoy some really good ice-cream, add in ur name & c u there.

[Pauche]

handsome, wah autoadd one ah?

hey we got ice cream outing on the 11 July at Wild Hibiscus leh.....

maybe you'll like to refer to this thread and join us instead?

 

ice cream outing once every 2 weeks already very sinful, now u still jio, then become twice a week liao!!!

[nkan0]

11th July sounds GOOD!!

 

Cos i'm leaving for a long ride up North on the night of 12th! Cant make it on the 13th, arrange another time lah Mel??

 

[inzaghi_75]

Pls disregard my previous Island Creamery post. OKie in that case lets just join

 

this ice cream outing. Interested parties kindly add ur name...

 

 

Round 24: 11/07/06, Wild Hibiscus

 

Date: 11 Jul 06 (Tue)

Meet: 1900hrs @ Suntec Basement Food Court for dinner; or

Meet: 2000hrs @ Wild Hibiscus for ice cream

 

The flavours here have a pretty feminine character, given the use of herbs like lavender and elderflower mixed with mainstream ingredients like chocolate and banana. The balance is not quite there yet however, as the chocolate and lemongrass tastes mostly chocolatey, and the orange and lavender tastes like lavender, with bits of lavender husks in the ice-cream which you have to find a way of spitting out gracefully unless you want it to count as roughage for the day. The elderflower sorbet is quite light and refreshing.

 

 

 

Wild Hibiscus is located at:

Polar Cafe,

#B1-02 City Link Mall

Tel: 6835 9909

Available daily from 11am-10.30pm

 

Interested parties, pls add name.

refer to first posting for updates........ thanks!

 

Confirmed:

01. Redname - ORGANISER

02. Pauche

03. leongms

04. EmptyVessel

05. Alan_See

06. Deuesxmachina

07. Taurus22

08. Palmer dear

09. Julian.T

10. Inzaghi_75

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[rstopel]

Hey Mel, I will probably drop by next week to pass you the dutch cookies that you like. I think they go well with the ice cream too if you warm them up first

 

Just had an interesting expirience with my beloved viffer. There was a rattleing sound on the right side a few weeks ago. I suspected it was the tensioner like what 'none' also expierienced. So I was prepared to get that fixed. I went down to Alex at stamford and he immediatly asked me about oil change. well, the last two times I did change to maxima extra since it got good reviews on this site and it is far cheaper than the $124 oil change @ stamford (castrol syntec). Anyway, i only clocked 2k since my last oil change so i thought this could not be the problem. Anyway, alex changed oil and kept on saying maxima no good bla bla bla.. After change to castrol the problem has gone. Bike feels strong and smooth. Alex says normally tensioner can last a lifetime. So I guess I am back to my $124 oil change. Just to share

[nkan0]

Rstopel, this is a interesting solution to yr bike prob... but i'm curious to know how come a oil change using Castrol will cost $124?? how many bottles u using on yr viffer?? i just change to Castrol R4, less than $80... ??

[HamsterZ]

Originally posted by n@kan0@Jul 6 2006, 03:16 PM

Rstopel, this is a interesting solution to yr bike prob... but i'm curious to know how come a oil change using Castrol will cost $124?? how many bottles u using on yr viffer?? i just change to Castrol R4, less than $80... ??

by the way, think i left a msg somewhere, VFR spec'ed oil cc is a bit too much (but not hazardous.) Excess oil overflows into airbox. Full oil change with filter shld not exceed 3 bottles. So far, i tried 3 full bottles and it way up the "MAX" mark..

[none]

Originally posted by HamsterZ@Jul 7 2006, 12:13 AM

by the way, think i left a msg somewhere, VFR spec'ed oil cc is a bit too much (but not hazardous.) Excess oil overflows into airbox. Full oil change with filter shld not exceed 3 bottles. So far, i tried 3 full bottles and it way up the "MAX" mark..

HamsterZ, you are right.

Inclusive of oil filter change, 3 bottles of EO is just nice.

Right in the middle of the oil gauge indicator for me.

 

For $25 bot/litre of EO, people will tend to pour more to make up for the $100 mark.

[rstopel]

Originally posted by HamsterZ@Jul 7 2006, 12:13 AM

by the way, think i left a msg somewhere, VFR spec'ed oil cc is a bit too much (but not hazardous.) Excess oil overflows into airbox. Full oil change with filter shld not exceed 3 bottles. So far, i tried 3 full bottles and it way up the "MAX" mark..

I think alex alwyas put's in around 3.8L in total + a oil filter. That guy that put in the maxima used 3.5L (he said he hit the max 2 3.5L). I know hamsterz said that 2.8L is just nice. Well, I rely on Alex. I think he really know's his stuff, has done great improvements to my viffer. Have not met anyone like him (but i never been to Looi's). Think the castrol oil is around $25 per bottle. Maybe 1 bottle less than a littre. Will pay attention next time.

[SoLoWinG]

hi something to share on the engine oil which i got from the VFR service manual... it said normal servicing is 2.9liter and + oil filter is 3.1litre. disassembly of engine is 3.8liter. it also recommend of using engine oil with viscosity of SAE 10W-40.

 

so normally i go for oil change, i will tell the worksop to top up to 3 litre because no point buying extra 1litre but only use 0.1litre. haha so far tried 3 full bottles and it way up the "MAX" mark..

 

 

[Guest KISS]

Hi guys, Im using this VFR800Fi since May 03. When i bought it then, the mileage was around 55,000km. Now its around 65,000km since I used it as a weekend bike.

 

What do you guys suggest I should do for servicing beside changing the engine oil and all that stuff? I ever read before some thing like valve clearance.

[none]

Originally posted by KISS@Jul 7 2006, 08:01 PM

Hi guys, Im using this VFR800Fi since May 03. When i bought it then, the mileage was around 55,000km. Now its around 65,000km since I used it as a weekend bike.

 

What do you guys suggest I should do for servicing beside changing the engine oil and all that stuff? I ever read before some thing like valve clearance.

I had done my valve clearance at the 40,000km mark before.

If I can still remember it was 2 valve out of spec.

After setting it right, bike feels very responsive.

 

Soon after the engine ticking sound came back. I had not done it again.

I believe if there is nothing wrong or seriously lack power with the bike, don't bother with the valve clearance.

 

Maybe you would like to change spark plugs, bleed clutch & brake (change hoses if you are rich), check electrical wiring, service suspensions, a new coat of paint etc.

Anyway if nothing is broken, don't fix, just treat us viffers to a treat.

[YahooRider]

Originally posted by rstopel@Jul 6 2006, 09:55 AM

Hey Mel, I will probably drop by next week to pass you the dutch cookies that you like. I think they go well with the ice cream too if you warm them up first

 

Just had an interesting expirience with my beloved viffer. There was a rattleing sound on the right side a few weeks ago. I suspected it was the tensioner like what 'none' also expierienced. So I was prepared to get that fixed. I went down to Alex at stamford and he immediatly asked me about oil change. well, the last two times I did change to maxima extra since it got good reviews on this site and it is far cheaper than the $124 oil change @ stamford (castrol syntec). Anyway, i only clocked 2k since my last oil change so i thought this could not be the problem. Anyway, alex changed oil and kept on saying maxima no good bla bla bla.. After change to castrol the problem has gone. Bike feels strong and smooth. Alex says normally tensioner can last a lifetime. So I guess I am back to my $124 oil change. Just to share

Yo I guess u might rmb the wrong price or u might do extra servicing that why it came total of $124/

 

Cos i also went to change regularly with alex and it cost me .. Let me share with u all my break down

 

4 Bottle : Range $20-25 depending on the brand u use

As well as air fliter that cost about 16 (Base on last change)

Price do change but confirm not a big diff.

That why i was curious my total cost is $116. BTW i change fuch that wat i prefer. Individual taste.

 

Not hinting on any point but sharing with every1. Cos i also totally agree this alex know the stuff very well compare to the 5 previous shop i been thru and maybe agree that louuis might be as gd as alex skill and knowledge. Only thos who try with louis should be able to judge or conclude about it As for us both . We jsut prefer to go to alex for servicing just like hamster love it own bike shop and the way he servicing his bike that is 1 rider that know his bike very well .

[vfr-shah]

Just wondering if anyone out there is interested in my viffer. I'm selling it off to get a wknd car.

[HamsterZ]

Originally posted by SoLoWinG@Jul 7 2006, 01:54 PM

hi something to share on the engine oil which i got from the VFR service manual... it said normal servicing is 2.9liter and + oil filter is 3.1litre. disassembly of engine is 3.8liter. it also recommend of using engine oil with viscosity of SAE 10W-40.

 

so normally i go for oil change, i will tell the worksop to top up to 3 litre because no point buying extra 1litre but only use 0.1litre. haha so far tried 3 full bottles and it way up the "MAX" mark..

 

 

The manual is not wrong. Almost all tech manual will cater to the "Safe " side (hehe.. coz i am also writing manuals for my company product... safety factor sibei high one!) as which big jap brand would want an info thats also correct but will ten to cause user error to result in a company error? More oil simply goes somewhere, affecting other areas but not fatal. Less oil... u get lubrication soffocation possibility!. Now if your the manufacturer... i guess u should know what to put in the manual. this is also the same reason on "why woould any manufacturer recomend hard run-in?" ... thats another BIG arguement again

 

So .... What amount of oil you put in (with/without filter) is basically up to individual.. as long not exceeding or underfilled. It also take time and monitoring to determine wats fine for your own preference. As for what viscousity, it also to your preference to what performance you are looking at. Use it try it & feel for yourself. If you are lost in the start, prob recomendations from our frenly viffers here can kickstart you.

 

You can use the extra leftovers by accumulating. Saves a little bit of $$ though. I do that for my R6 change as its using 2.5l. my first 3 changes i was also using 3l, it reach the MAX mark and over. Thats why i monitored.. and i found out the airbox was oily (thats where the excess is spurted into via the breather aka environmental frenly tube)

 

Great to know another viffer.. Enjoy the bike... bring it out n ride.... you will be great rewarded!

[HamsterZ]

Originally posted by rstopel@Jul 6 2006, 09:55 AM

Hey Mel, I will probably drop by next week to pass you the dutch cookies that you like. I think they go well with the ice cream too if you warm them up first

 

Just had an interesting expirience with my beloved viffer. There was a rattleing sound on the right side a few weeks ago. I suspected it was the tensioner like what 'none' also expierienced. So I was prepared to get that fixed. I went down to Alex at stamford and he immediatly asked me about oil change. well, the last two times I did change to maxima extra since it got good reviews on this site and it is far cheaper than the $124 oil change @ stamford (castrol syntec). Anyway, i only clocked 2k since my last oil change so i thought this could not be the problem. Anyway, alex changed oil and kept on saying maxima no good bla bla bla.. After change to castrol the problem has gone. Bike feels strong and smooth. Alex says normally tensioner can last a lifetime. So I guess I am back to my $124 oil change. Just to share

Pertaining to the prev post on ticking/rattling sond on using maxima. I did use Maxima extra before (both 10W40 & 15W50). Apparently although with same SAE ratings, the oils are generally slightly thinner in absolute value. (erm i forgot the term liaos). The general feeling is it is smoother, and revs better. but it is slightly more noisy as compared to FUCHS 15W50 (which is higher in absolute visc) that i had been using on the VFR.

 

The thicker oil FUCHs definitely dampens part to part sounds. Prob due to the mileage clocked by a bike, a thinner oil might have amplified the slight tick/rattling noise. This phenomena also appeared in my 14 year old NC23.

 

Yes alex is are right.. the tensioner do have a long lifespan. It just ticks louder but not failure. But do take note that it is good to replace it nice in a long while/mileage. Its not a good thing to hve the bike stuck in m'sia just for a tensioner... not a good feeling.

 

not to flame/kachao/say ur wrong etcetc.. hehe..But personally i think $124 for an oil change is high to myself. The oil is a well known oil.. i do not deny. filter is about $12 on the shelf, so the extra $$ goes to labour. The thing that i would not pay premium price, is that oil change is in fact a simple job (not to mention time consuming, space taking and a proper place to discard the oil). I would pay for something that requires more intricate time n effort like engine internals/suspension settings & fitting, cowl fittings, electrical etc etc, that would cause un-expected failure & valuble to re-do again.

 

But then again.... if it is affordable to oneself, go ahead. my frens keep saying i pay stupid $$ for a machine that does not go fast or handles sharp though...

 

 

I am just bringing across my sentiments to the more $$ conscious riders around. hope you dunt mind.

[none]

Originally posted by HamsterZ@Jul 21 2006, 12:55 AM

Pertaining to the prev post on ticking/rattling sond on using maxima. I did use Maxima extra before (both 10W40 & 15W50). Apparently although with same SAE ratings, the oils are generally slightly thinner in absolute value. (erm i forgot the term liaos). The general feeling is it is smoother, and revs better. but it is slightly more noisy as compared to FUCHS 15W50 (which is higher in absolute visc) that i had been using on the VFR.

 

The thicker oil FUCHs definitely dampens part to part sounds. Prob due to the mileage clocked by a bike, a thinner oil might have amplified the slight tick/rattling noise. This phenomena also appeared in my 14 year old NC23.

The expensive castrol syntex that was mentioned here is rated 5w50 which is even thinner than the maxima extra.

Castrol no amplified noise but Maxima has? not right yeah?

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by none@Jul 21 2006, 08:25 AM

The expensive castrol syntex that was mentioned here is rated 5w50 which is even thinner than the maxima extra.

Castrol no amplified noise but Maxima has? not right yeah?

yup I agree, does not make sense. But the Silkolene Pro4 is indeed a very thick formula to the extent it bogs down many higher revving machines.

 

Well, I'll like to see what rstopel says after some milage on the syntec, I am open to opinions and more interested in the technical causes. I had a PM exchange with him, it seems he left his bike unattended during the Maxima change and said the oil drained out 'quite yellow' at Stamford. Well, that left me scratching my head. Maxima oils are very dark, close to brown out of the bottle. One pass through the engine and it should not look even remotely yellow.

 

Hell, I will even offer to change his oil myself and have a money back guarantee if it is demonstrated that the problem recurs specifically after the change.

 

Point to note is that Stamford imports and sells the Syntec 5W50 pretty much exclusively. The USA formula Castrol are really very common and affordable oils over there selling at USD$3~4/quart off the shelves or lesser. The $124 oil changed is destined to become VFR legend, can't beat that price even if u put in the priciest of brands that pays Valentino millions for endorsement, not even at full Retail Price!

[vfrT]

The never ending debate on oil continues ...

 

While the curious side of me always nudge me to try some new "boutique" hi-tec, hi-perf, hi-whatever oil. I could never justify to myself the cost-performance imbalance of these new brands against the established brands such as Mobil, Shell, Castrol etc. I have been using Mobil M1 for ages on bikes and cars (same oil type) with great satisfaction. Cost-performance is palatable.

 

If I do try one of these boutique Maxima, Purple whatever ... nahhhhh... I'm stocked up with M1 for the next 2 years.

[HamsterZ]

Originally posted by vfrT@Jul 25 2006, 03:43 PM

The never ending debate on oil continues ...

 

While the curious side of me always nudge me to try some new "boutique" hi-tec, hi-perf, hi-whatever oil. I could never justify to myself the cost-performance imbalance of these new brands against the established brands such as Mobil, Shell, Castrol etc. I have been using Mobil M1 for ages on bikes and cars (same oil type) with great satisfaction. Cost-performance is palatable.

 

If I do try one of these boutique Maxima, Purple whatever ... nahhhhh... I'm stocked up with M1 for the next 2 years.

yeah individual preference and to each his own. Majority would stick with one if he/she is comfy with the cost n performance. But then there are ppl around that seeks new stuff.. trial and review. Thats how new things keep appearing though

[ANR Impex]

Originally posted by vfrT@Jul 25 2006, 03:43 PM

The never ending debate on oil continues ...

 

While the curious side of me always nudge me to try some new "boutique" hi-tec, hi-perf, hi-whatever oil. I could never justify to myself the cost-performance imbalance of these new brands against the established brands such as Mobil, Shell, Castrol etc. I have been using Mobil M1 for ages on bikes and cars (same oil type) with great satisfaction. Cost-performance is palatable.

 

If I do try one of these boutique Maxima, Purple whatever ... nahhhhh... I'm stocked up with M1 for the next 2 years.

erm, is the Castrol Syntec in question here cheaper? it is much more expensive. vfrT, maybe you can recommend a few places to get the aforementioned M1, Castrol or Shell cheaply in a viscosity grade that will work great for around 5k intervals. What grades and prices are we talking about? I am open to trying automotive oils myself, the highly touted Delvac 1 amongst the ones I have tried for curiosity sake. It is most certainly more expensive than some motorcycle oils.

[vfrT]

Originally posted by HamsterZ@Jul 26 2006, 02:27 AM

yeah individual preference and to each his own. Majority would stick with one if he/she is comfy with the cost n performance. But then there are ppl around that seeks new stuff.. trial and review. Thats how new things keep appearing though

Hi Hamz: Thanx for your reply. We're on the same page here mate. Cheers!

 

Hi ANR Impex: Thank you for your interest. From your various very active postings, I sense you promote Maxima as a commercial enterprise. As such our debate from differing interest points may not be objective. Please forgive me if I do not continue our exchange on this vein.

 

However, if we do engage as fellow bike enthusiats, i would enjoy a frank discourse. Of course, I recognise that you are doing a service to other bikers by offering them an alternative. I have also used Delvac before- it is eerily quiet from the engine, feels tighter but I saw increased fuel consumption. There you go, we have something in common! As Hamz says, to each its own. So cheers!

[ANR Impex]

Actually vfrT, if you follow my postings, I am a straight forward kind of person who prefer the truth and biking above all else. I am all for knowing what your money buys you, and this I feel is what the consumer should be empowered with. Then what they buy is their own business.

 

Many mainstream car oils are an increasing tradeoff for performance and protection when used in motorcycles, an unfortunate fact that resulted in the JASO spec for motorcycle. Reason? Emission regulations, cost cutting, making a product to meet efficiency specs instead of best performance. Those who have the slightest experience in prototype to production planning will know what I am talking about. This is glossed over with massive advertising efforts, resulting in your perception of them as 'established brands'. Less exposure equates to 'pariah' brand, it seldom matters anymore what is in the bottle. I hope to change this, not promote a brand.

 

I am all ears if you have good specific recommendations that indeed save money and worked well for you. People here (including me) can try and make up their own conclusion if indeed it is money well saved. There are even scientific methods of analysis to take this beyond a debate of opinions and subjective 'feelings'.

[rstopel]

For those of you who want to experiment with your vtec vfr suspension, here is a guide from PB magazine

[rstopel]

Road Type test

 

http://www.motorradonline.de/d/213785?&ref_id=213641

 

Sport Tyre test

 

http://www.motorradonline.de/d/214372?&ref_id=214321

 

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