Varadero 125

[ezezeal]

Top up Top up Top up.........Tuesday tomorrow 8th Dec 2009

 

Meeting Place : Shell JAL (Jalan Ahmed Ibrahim) Via AYE exit 15A

Meeting time : 2100hr

Meeting date : 8th Dec 2009

 

Please bring Passport .....

 

Confirmed going

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01) Elan7891 aka Datok

02) Easyriding (auto-insert)

03) Hus (auto-insert)

04) Byma (auto-insert)

05) Wai (auto-insert)

06) Man (auto-insert)

07) Nineh (auto-insert)

08) Faz (auto-insert)

09) Andyross (auto-insert)

10) Masked Rider (self-insert, datok bo cio)

 

Please add to the list....vara's lai lai lai.....

 

Wahh Datok never auto-insert me one... i feel so left out.. I wanna join LILFARHAN gathering ahhh.. AHAHAHAHAHAHHA..

[MudMan_79]

i tried posting a reply 3 times already, keep getting that browser busy thing.. so here goes for the fourth time.

 

Hey Rebel,

 

i've riden my vara125 thru pelentong n endau rompin, n i agree w u that the scorpions r juz not good enuf. sure it may be fine on sand n grass, but the bike keeps fish tailin on soft ground n mud (maybe thats juz me).

 

I was also thinkin of putting on knobbies on my vara. and actually was thinkin of goin a little further in experimentation. was thinkin of puttin on taller front n reas suspensions (was told XR4 sus may juz fit) and maybe, MAYBE spoke rims...

 

i dunno if it might wrk, seriously...im a real newbie in bikes..

 

so for the knobbies, my questions wld be:

 

1) would it sacrifice road handling, especially on wet roads?

2) does it require tubes, even on sports rims? (ok i really know nuts bout sports n spoke rims)

 

well thats all i could think rite now...and i really hope more vara125 riders willin to experiment on d bike too...

 

i did plenty of research with regards to forks and suspensions.

 

For forks, my findings were that the stock one is the best for the vara125. They're engineered to cater to the shape, design, centre of gravity etc etc etc of our bikes. Forks longer in length could also POSSIBLY affect the flow of petrol into caburetor, not to mention that the sidestand and mainstand will have to be raised as well. Very detailed engineering at work here. Also, i researched the possibility of using inverted forks, like those of KTM and Yamaha, since those are designed to REALLY take a pounding. BUT, the setback was that IF the fork seals were to ever be broken or deteriorate, theres nothing to stop the fork oil from flowing out, since its inverted. Our Conventional (upright) forks would not be in this predicament, since the oil would just leak along the tube/shaft of the fork.. Very minimal compared to an inverted fork.

 

For rear suspension, the easiest solution is the Blackbird suspension. Its taller, harder and more rugged than the stock Vara suspension. A number of vara125s are using it, myself included. Do approach Ah Beng at Bikeworkz to order. I have yet to come across any other workshop willing to do it.

 

As for your questions,

 

1) Yes, handling on the ROAD will be compromised. A little Extra care must be taken when negotiating bends, corners in wet weather; just like all scramblers with knobbies.

This is because the profile of Offroad tyres (knobbies) are such that they have less surface area in contact with the road. This works the opposite way when OFFROAD, however. The knobbier they are, the more traction they give. Say goodbye to spinning tyres, fishtailing, cowtailing and whatever tails u may experience. Negotiate terrain riddled with patches of mud, sand, loose soil with ease.

 

2) Yes, knobbies definitely require tubes. There is no problem at all with having a tube type tyre fitted on vara125 rims which are originally designed for tubeless tyres

 

I would like to quote you an example. 2 years ago, i tried out Metzeler Tourance (tubeless). After about four months of use, the rear tyre was punctured VERY badly by god-knows-what. the Hole found in the tyre was almost the size of a 5-cent coin. The shop that i got the Tourance from IMMEDIATELY recommended getting a new set of tyres, front and rear saying that its impossible to patch up, must change both tyres cos both front and back must be new, blah blah blah. Sooo... i went to my FAVOURITE workshop for a second opinion, and what he did was just fit a tube into the damaged tyre, and BOOM! i had a perfectly functioning rear tyre again. I rode for another 6 months till i totally wore the Tourance out, with the tube still going strong; and switched to Michelin SIRAC.

 

Can I ask a stupid question ??????

 

If change to tube tyre must change rim also ??? and personally I feel is that not all people knows how to change tube tyre when it is flat....just my 2 cents worth.

 

Not a stupid question at all. If your rims are for tubeless, there's no problem fitting tube type tyres on tubeless rims. As for knowing how to change a tube, i will admit that its a very tedious process. I personally witnessed a friend changing the rear tube of his Africa Twin. Tough job, but achievable. Tools needed are the basic spanners, a tyre iron, a few other things which i've forgotten, and a foot pump.

I believe if we were to approach the friendly guys in my favourite workshop, they'll be happy to give a tutorial. But obviously must give kopi money.

 

Also, in the event of a tubetyre being punctured, just do what i do. RIDE SLOWLY, hug the road shoulder, till u get to the nearest bike shop for a new tube (in singapore). If you're up north, you'd better be carrying spare tubes, right?

 

there will be no problemo using tube tires on sports or spokey rims.

cos either way its the tube that is holding the air in.

 

infact, using tubes has its advantages as well. you have teh flexibility of adjusting the tyre pressure to suit the terrain. done properly, you will have less flats compared to tube tyres actually.

 

tubeless tyres however must be used with proper rims. using tubeless tyres alone on standard spokey rims will not work. the air will leak out as there is no suction lock.

 

Datok, I also wanna learn how to change tube. long time never practice liao.

can we expriment on your fatdero? ?

 

Well said, bro. Totally agree with the advantages part. Also, Tubes these days are VERY VERY durable. Normal tube would cost about the same as a pack of ciggies, the more durable and rugged ones, maybe 3 packs of ciggies?

 

So, this has been my 500 rupiah's worth.

[Mr.Everyday]

I am selling my Arrow aluminium exhaust "For VARA 125" at $400.

 

Anyone who want wish to get or view it just call me at 93884476.

 

Thanks

[Al-Simmons]

Top up Top up Top up.........Tuesday tomorrow 8th Dec 2009

 

Meeting Place : Shell JAL (Jalan Ahmed Ibrahim) Via AYE exit 15A

Meeting time : 2100hr

Meeting date : 8th Dec 2009

 

Please bring Passport .....

 

Confirmed going

---------------

01) Elan7891 aka Datok

02) Easyriding (auto-insert)

03) Hus (auto-insert)

04) Byma (auto-insert)

05) Wai (auto-insert)

06) Man (auto-insert)

07) Nineh (auto-insert)

08) Faz (auto-insert)

09) Andyross (auto-insert)

10)

 

Please add to the list....vara's lai lai lai.....

 

is yem leaving tonight? what time..?

[Elan7891]

is yem leaving tonight? what time..?

 

dun know leh....Yem, what time u leaving ???

[Demon]

dun know leh....Yem, what time u leaving ???

 

today at midmight

 

[yem_paul]

today at midmight

 

 

11pm ... you all can send me until Hatyai

[Demon]

11pm ... you all can send me until Hatyai

 

Not only did I (and some others) send you and your family off to KL last Tuesday but also escorted you and your family from somewhere along NSH to Pendas yesterday.

 

Anyway have a good and safe trip. Post many many pics. Marked all locations got ping pong service

 

[DaNiYaL]

Whats Up DaWgZ!!

 

Elan7981>>> Sorry Bro..working tonight..perhaps next week...

 

Yem_paul>>> Have a safe trip bro!! Pictures and pictures!!

 

I am just checking...are they any brothers here interested in going up to Ao Nang, Krabi on the 3 Feb - 7 Feb?...

Edited December 8, 2009 by DaNiYaL

[yem_paul]

Not only did I (and some others) send you and your family off to KL last Tuesday but also escorted you and your family from somewhere along NSH to Pendas yesterday.

 

Anyway have a good and safe trip. Post many many pics. Marked all locations got ping pong service

 

 

Yes yes. Was a nice convoy yesterday. Will meet you guys at JAI 9pm tonight. Meeting my friends 10pm at Gelang Patah.

[Elan7891]

Yes yes. Was a nice convoy yesterday. Will meet you guys at JAI 9pm tonight. Meeting my friends 10pm at Gelang Patah.

 

see ya.....

[WAI]

Cant join you guys tonite. Just finished nite shift yesterday.

 

Yem_Paul > Have a safe and enjoyable trip!!!

[monkujin]

hey geng can I noe wher to get the front hugger, the one tat look like scrambler? and how much the cost...

[monkujin]

Christmas Giveaway

 

2 used Givi sideboxes (no cracks etc, just a little worn)

Free for any current/ex varadero 125 rider from this thread

Self-collect at Sengkang

 

Givi wingrack - can be fixed on Vara 125 with some metal works

$50 only

Self-collect at Kembangan

 

Givi E33 Top-box with stoplight

$35 only

Self collect at Sengkang

 

 

 

Sms me pls

 

I dun have your number bro.. how to sms... can call me at 93594275.. I looking for box too... not fussy as long can use wif good price, I'm on..

Edited December 11, 2009 by monkujin

[MudMan_79]

Nobody??

 

[lilfarhan]

Nobody??

 

 

isnt this predictable bro..

[Demon]

Nobody??

 

 

From the current crop, if Saddiq doesn't put his name down, no others will

[Al-Simmons]

isnt this predictable bro..

 

:sian:

[Saddiq]

From the current crop, if Saddiq doesn't put his name down, no others will

 

ok then...

 

rebel, i sign my life away...

 

haha...ok really i've been thinking of swappin my scorps...but i'm juz weighin the costs now...i've gotta service my bike soon and am contemplatin on a mac...

 

so...is it ok if the tires comes probbly in Jan or Feb?...

 

Btw..i need more info on the tyre type, size etc etc...befor i can commit...

 

Hope u understand

[Demon]

ok then...

 

rebel, i sign my life away...

 

Saddiq, don't get me wrong if I'm putting undue pressure on you.

 

Seriously, if I were to own a vara125, i wouldn't put on knobbies since I will be riding more than 90% on tarmac. Moreover knobbies will really have a negative effect on the ride quality, handling and top speed.

 

Personally I don't think it is appropriate to use a small capacity bike on a V-twin configuration for offroading especially on an over-weight bike like the vara125. You will have more fun on a XR125.

 

Surely the vara125 can go offroad as Nash and you have proven that point but always use the right tool for the right job.

 

[Mr.Everyday]

I am selling my Arrow aluminium exhaust "For VARA 125" at $400.

 

Anyone who want wish to get or view it just call me at 93884476.

 

Thanks

[Saddiq]

Saddiq, don't get me wrong if I'm putting undue pressure on you.

 

Seriously, if I were to own a vara125, i wouldn't put on knobbies since I will be riding more than 90% on tarmac. Moreover knobbies will really have a negative effect on the ride quality, handling and top speed.

 

Personally I don't think it is appropriate to use a small capacity bike on a V-twin configuration for offroading especially on an over-weight bike like the vara125. You will have more fun on a XR125.

 

Surely the vara125 can go offroad as Nash and you have proven that point but always use the right tool for the right job.

 

 

no pressure at all..

 

haha...i'm not "seriously" thinking of putting on the knobbies for now...but if i could stow my scorps with my mech n put on knobbies juz 4 light trails in plentong maybe.... maybe if my mech agrees then i would consider...

 

plus i'm thinkin of gettin the right "tool" as u mention after i get my 2a...sometime next year

 

yeah i wont wanna ride around in knobbies tho i must say it looks uber cool on vara...

[MudMan_79]

I thought I'd quote something from my original post.

 

 

"The only things i hope to gain from this are more fulfilling adventures on my Vara125, as I am selling her off in the very near future.

I sincerely believe that its time the Varadero 125 REALLY lives up to its billing as the Adventure Bike of the Class 2B category."

 

 

I'm not here to try psycho anyone into putting knobbies on. Only the tyre salesmen would be doing that. All i'm saying is that taking a vara125 offroad is a challenge. An adventure. I can go offroad anytime i want to on either my WR2 or my XR4 and kill whatever tree or bush that happens to be growing in my path... But the feeling of completing a trail on either of those two bikes, is nowhere near as fulfilling as emerging from a trail on a Vara125. Yes, its heavy, yes it can be difficult to handle at times...

But isn't that what adventures are all about? Facing a challenge, conquering the obstacles, and finally standing triumphantly looking back at what was supposedly impossible. Or maybe going for top-ups via Second Link, or 'long' rides Up-North are enough of an adventure for the Vara125s?

 

In anyways, everyone's opinion is respected, and since it seems that response is extremely hestitant, I shall pursue this topic no more. Perhaps i'm just a little TOO adventurous for my own good. Or maybe I'm just plain mad.

So, I do hope that noone's offended my my remarks, cos this is not a personal attack of any sort.

 

And even if you ARE offended, I don't care.

I shall plead permanent insanity.

 

Anyways, Cheers, Varadero 125 riders! (this IS a Varadero 125 thread, isn't it?)

Honk if you 'encounter' me making a nuisance in your neighbourhood. I'm the one with the number plate 678.

Edited December 11, 2009 by MudMan_79

[monkujin]

hey geng can I noe wher to get the front hugger, the one tat look like scrambler? and how much the cost...

anyone can help me out..

[DaNiYaL]

Whats Up DaWgZ!!

 

monkujin>>> Bro...you got to check with First Motor at Paya Lebar beside TP HQ....they are the ones who fabricated for us...if you are in luck, they might have the mould...if not, you got to find someone who lend his front fender...